Anybody seen this on Cingular's Site?
http://www.cingular.com/download/compareAd.pdf »
You think that they could've been at least a little honest. 🙄
You think that they could've been at least a little honest. 🙄
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I don't think it can get anymore honest. Leave it to you Verizon guys.......
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another marketing crap. have both verizon and cingular phones... cingular reception is still as crappy as ever..
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A. I can find someone that says the same thing about Verizon. I could find you someone that will say that for each wireless company.
B. Do you have one of the new Cingular phones that uses the largest cingular national plan.
B. Do you have one of the new Cingular phones that uses the largest cingular national plan.
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Eh...Depends on where you live. I have a verizon phone and a cingular phoena dn the verizon one is crappy as ever.
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actualy verizon still has the largest digital coverage according to ther verizon brochure compared to the cingular AT&T wireless the thing is that since Cingular uses GSM the roaming is seemless, with verizon on extended network (that they still include that as home coverage) you cant use some data products, but according to what i saw on both maps Verizon still has a larger footprint, but Cingular still has a larger customer base...for now ;-)
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Cingular also includes their extended networks as home coverage on their maps---this info can be found coming from cain and other reputable cingular people in cingular forum on a thread posted by untouchable
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Keep in mind though that unlike VZW Data network that won't work everywhere... Cingular's GSM network... If you're on GSM, even the Data works... Just pointing this out
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Actually i have never had a problem using data services on VZW extended network. The only thing I cant seem to do is picture message which is not that big of a deal anyway. Everything else I can use including get it now.
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Congratulations! But Data is an all around service and VZW data does not always work off network... Is that worded better?
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No carrier works off network. They only work within their own towers and roaming partners. Is that worded better?
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That's where you're wrong... Cingular's GSM Data works on and off network... Where there's GSM there's data... Because of GSM. I have roamed on ATTWS & Tmob towers driving from MS to FL, the whole time using data w/o a problem... and only lost Voice capabilities once when we drove through the Mobile tunnel.
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I think you misunderstood what I posted. I said it would work on their networks and roaming partners.
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actually, we are talking about network size not "coverage"... Cingular has the largest all digital network in the US.
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I can see that you're trying to compare the maps of each provider... 🙄
Fact is this. Verizon doesn't and never did have the largest digital network. Cingular has had that title for a good bit of time now. Do you really think that Cingular would be advertising that it has the largest digital network in North America if it didn't? Verizon would have been all over that with a lawsuit by now, but they can't because its TRUE. Verizon coverage maps aren't just digital, they include the analog portion (which is a considerably large chunk) of Verizon's network. You simply can't compare the maps of each company to one another because they are displaying totally different things. If Verizon still advertised the map that di...
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Fact is this. Verizon doesn't and never did have the largest digital network. Cingular has had that title for a good bit of time now. Do you really think that Cingular would be advertising that it has the largest digital network in North America if it didn't? Verizon would have been all over that with a lawsuit by now, but they can't because its TRUE. Verizon coverage maps aren't just digital, they include the analog portion (which is a considerably large chunk) of Verizon's network. You simply can't compare the maps of each company to one another because they are displaying totally different things. If Verizon still advertised the map that di...
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That is understandable but instead of just digital why dont you look at total coverage for both carriers. VZW has more TOTAL coverage than any other carrier whether some of it is analog or not. The bottom line is which company will work better for you where you live. VZW is better for me because there are more rural areas around me that use CDMA and some analog. Cingular does have the biggest DIGITAL coverage but Verizon has the biggest OVERALL coverage.
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I was referring to the digital network because Retarded Mel was making false claims about digital networks. Not analog networks, or combined networks. Just digital. I will admit that Verizon has a larger network when you include analog, but the sad part of it is that a big portion of it is analog.
By the way...the digital coverage IS what will "work better for me, where I live". 😉
By the way...the digital coverage IS what will "work better for me, where I live". 😉
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Ok... I know I'm a little late here... But here is a post from Nov. 6th I made... If you want the TRUE comparison of coverage from Verizon to Cingular, here it is... Cingular has the largest digital and overall network... There is no denying it... look... here is Verizons coverage http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/cove ragemap.jsp
Cingulars coverage http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html/Maps/nat ion_GAIT_map.htm
(Including AMPS, TDMA and GSM)
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Cingulars coverage http://onlinestore.cingular.com/html/Maps/nat ion_GAIT_map.htm
(Including AMPS, TDMA and GSM)
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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Dont take this as a smart @$$ remark but what Cingular phones are multinetwork? In other words which ones will work with both GSM and GAIT? Im kinda curious now.
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Sony Ericsson t62u and Nokia 6340i... i think the t62 can still be bought, but they aren't selling the Nokia... All phones sold now are strictly GSM... AT&T sold those phones as well...
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So there really isnt a good source for GAIT phones? So that means VZW's OVERALL network is better than Cingulars because a phone with GAIT capabilities ishard to find whereas VZW has quite a few trimode phones...Cmon Cain if you can beat that then I will bow down to you.
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Actually it really only means that the gait phoens are hard to find. 🙄 That doesn't make the network any better or worse.
If you wanna do things that way, we can say cingular's gsm network is better than verizon's cdma because we have a larger selection of phones.
If you wanna do things that way, we can say cingular's gsm network is better than verizon's cdma because we have a larger selection of phones.
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Well... Yes and no... Verizon does offer Tri band phones, but Cingular offers more Quad band phones if you want to compare apples to apples... VZW does have 800/1900 CDMA and 800 AMPS, Cingular has GSM 800/1900/800/1800 on quite a few of our phones... We just no longer support analog back up... So....... again, a better comparison of most of Verizons phones are our GAIT phones......
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I believe that's from the ad that Cingy used to hit back at Verizon in the Northeast after Verizon invited ATTW customers in the NE to switch to Verizon since they were 'switching carriers anyway' due to the merger, and that the merger was gonna futz things up for the ATTW customers.
Man, the ad wars are gonna get quite ugly, quite soon.
Man, the ad wars are gonna get quite ugly, quite soon.
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Was this a joke website? It's so far of the wall it's comical.
Is there one where they did this on a Cingular vs. T-mobile comparison? I'd love to hear what Cingular beyotch talks about T-M's Customer Service. NOW THAT......will be an even bigger joke of the year.
Additionally, it should also be noted that they didn't take into consideration three factors: Customer Service (Cingular vs. Verizon), Most like to go bankrupt (Cingular vs. Verizon), and Call Quality (Cingular vs. Verizon). In all three VZW kicks ass over Cingular as Cingular will go bankrupt before accomplishing any of the goals given.
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This add was run in the NEw York Times. May not be entirely rue but the jheadline was catchy>> AMERICA you have another CHOICE
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Trust me. Cingular won't be going bankrupt. Call quality is dependent on where you live or travel. Although I'm a Verizon & ATT TDMA customer, but since Cingular came online in my neighborhood a little more than 2 years ago it now provides the best service. Where I visit family in southwest Texas the Cingular & ATTWS call is a local call; the Verizon call is roaming @ $0.69 a minute.
I keep these two carriers because other places I travel are analog, so I have service. Second, the ATTWS makes more connections where I travel than Verizon. Still, Cingular doesn't catch a connection to some places where I travel. But since my ATTWS TDMA is no longer being supported, and since I'm traveling to Europe soon and will need GSM service, I'll be du...
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I keep these two carriers because other places I travel are analog, so I have service. Second, the ATTWS makes more connections where I travel than Verizon. Still, Cingular doesn't catch a connection to some places where I travel. But since my ATTWS TDMA is no longer being supported, and since I'm traveling to Europe soon and will need GSM service, I'll be du...
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hrmmm i dont see any point in the advertiesment that is untrue.
as the advertisement stated, it is just the facts.
Point at one thing in the add that is untrue. 😁
as the advertisement stated, it is just the facts.
Point at one thing in the add that is untrue. 😁
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They said Verizon doesn't have a national plan without roaming charges. That is not true. Verizon has the singlerate plan which has no roaming charges at all.
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Ya. I was wondering if someone was going to catch that one 😛. Someone forgot to do their homework on that one.
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hrmm good point, i remember that plan... how come i dont see it on the website any longer? is it no longer offered? or is it just being offered reactivly, instead of proactivly?
If i remember the rates on the national single rate plan, they where a good deal more expensive than current cingular nation rate plans
If i remember the rates on the national single rate plan, they where a good deal more expensive than current cingular nation rate plans
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They are a little more expensive, but they are still available. They aren't really pushed, but still there for sure.
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VOLVORacr said:
Yeah it's available but no N&W or M2M. For more money HA! 🤣
Regardless, the plan exists, and thus Cingular's ad is untrue and misleading. I think we can all agree that they messed up on that.
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ummm........ that plan is NOT advertised. That plan is NOT offered. It's NOT even a digital plan. You have to specifically ASK for that plan, then you have to specifically ask for one of the phones that will work on that plan.
here's what the VZW website says about THAT plan...
"Requires a CDMA tri-mode phone with specific software and preferred roaming list as programmed by Verizon Wireless. Digital service, features and promotions are not available in all areas, may not follow you across the entire National SingleRate Home Airtime Rate and Coverage Area and may be limited to the Verizon Wireless digital network."
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here's what the VZW website says about THAT plan...
"Requires a CDMA tri-mode phone with specific software and preferred roaming list as programmed by Verizon Wireless. Digital service, features and promotions are not available in all areas, may not follow you across the entire National SingleRate Home Airtime Rate and Coverage Area and may be limited to the Verizon Wireless digital network."
They only offer 5 phones that will work on that plan. They are expensive and so is that plan... so, if you want to spe...
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ummm........ that plan is NOT advertised. That plan is NOT offered.
Umm... then why, Cain, is it right there on the Verizon website? That would seem to constitute being both 'adveristed' and 'offered', as you can buy the plan online:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller? ... »
By all means, call VZW and ask them if they have a DIGITAL NATIONAL PLAN with no roaming... that's all Cingular was trying to say.
Then why does Cingular's ad say, in great big letters:
NATIONAL PLANS WITHOUT ROAMING CHARGES- CINGULAR YES VERIZON NO
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Why do you guys at VZW always seem to hang on to the only thing that doesn't really matter? I can spend all damn month finding misleading claims about VZW ads and service. The FACT is that VZW DOES NOT OFFER A DIGITAL NATIONAL PLAN WITHOUT ROAMING CHARGES. Maybe Cingular doesn't consider it "national" because you have nothing but terrible voice service while in analog mode. Cingular offers a national plan on EVERY phone and you can use EVERY feature NATIONWIDE with no roaming charges. That plan offers analog only when not on a VZW owned digital tower. Which means you get BUBKIS in Digital coverage because VZW's owned coverage is TINY.
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Why do you guys at VZW always seem to hang on to the only thing that doesn't really matter? I can spend all damn month finding misleading claims about VZW ads and service. The FACT is that VZW DOES NOT OFFER A DIGITAL NATIONAL PLAN WITHOUT ROAMING CHARGES. Maybe Cingular doesn't consider it "national" because you have nothing but terrible voice service while in analog mode. Cingular offers a national plan on EVERY phone and you can use EVERY feature NATIONWIDE with no roaming charges. That plan offers analog only when not on a VZW owned digital tower. Which means you get BUBKIS in Digital coverage because VZW's owned coverage is TINY.
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Why do you guys at VZW always seem to hang on to the only thing that doesn't really matter? I can spend all damn month finding misleading claims about VZW ads and service. The FACT is that VZW DOES NOT OFFER A DIGITAL NATIONAL PLAN WITHOUT ROAMING CHARGES. Maybe Cingular doesn't consider it "national" because you have nothing but terrible voice service while in analog mode. Cingular offers a national plan on EVERY phone and you can use EVERY feature NATIONWIDE with no roaming charges. That plan offers analog only when not on a VZW owned digital tower. Which means you get BUBKIS in Digital coverage because VZW's owned coverage is TINY.
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I'm going to take the above as an admission that, yes, Cingular did in fact mislead folks on that particular claim.
Really, Cain, you'd have tons of credibility here if, in such circumstances, you'd simply admit, "Ok, yes, we DID mess up on that. But generally we don't TRY to mislead people. Our bad."
Number 1, you can take it any way you want. You obviously have a love for VZW (which is kinda creepy considering you don't work for them). Oh and do you know for a fact that the plan was on the website when the Cingular AD was made?
Number 2, even if the plan was listed on the site at the time, the only "mistake" would have been that the ad did not say "digital". My guess is...
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Number 1, you can take it any way you want. You obviously have a love for VZW (which is kinda creepy considering you don't work for them). Oh and do you know for a fact that the plan was on the website when the Cingular AD was made?
I don't have a love for VZW, I'm simply loyal to what works well for me and VZW is the best I've found. Its worked so well for me, in fact, that I've been able to ditch my landline with no problems and actually SAVE money. But if something better than VZW were to come along, I would still switch. There's loyalty and then there's 'blind loyalty', after all 😉
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IF your claiming the Singlerate Nation Plan is not a true National plan, then you have to say the same about Cingular's "National" plan. They don't have coverage everywhere. It's either GSM service or no service period. Analog may not be a great network, but you can still get a call through when your in a tight spot, even if the reception isn't perfect.
BTW Cain, I used to be a manager for Cingular, so I know both sides very well... and in a majority of the northeast, I think Verizon is a much better company. I can't speak for the rest of the country.
BTW Cain, I used to be a manager for Cingular, so I know both sides very well... and in a majority of the northeast, I think Verizon is a much better company. I can't speak for the rest of the country.
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used to be?? since GSM, things have changed drastically, so you can't compare.
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Cingular's digital Voice/Data network makes VZW's digital network look like tinker toys. Cingular offered a similar plan to Singlerate. It was called a GAIT plan and it offered even more coverage than the Single Rate plan... it also relied on analog and TDMA technology.
Here's my definition of a "National Rate plan": Can you use the features and services in the entire coverage area? If you can then you have a national plan. If you can't then you don't. Cingular offers more Voice/Data coverage than VZW. Bottom line. Cingular also offers service in ALL top 100 markets and 50 states(VZW does not)... i'd say that was pretty "National"...
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Here's my definition of a "National Rate plan": Can you use the features and services in the entire coverage area? If you can then you have a national plan. If you can't then you don't. Cingular offers more Voice/Data coverage than VZW. Bottom line. Cingular also offers service in ALL top 100 markets and 50 states(VZW does not)... i'd say that was pretty "National"...
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"Cingular also offers service in ALL top 100 markets and 50 states(VZW does not)..."
All 50 states? Come to Montana and find a Cingular store, let alone service. That's not gonna happen. 49
All 50 states? Come to Montana and find a Cingular store, let alone service. That's not gonna happen. 49
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Hmmm, maybe CainMarko needs to research his claims, because Verizon definately sells the SingleRate plan without it being a special request. Of course, sales 101 dictates you qualify your customer first so you can recommend the best plan for them. Also, tri mode phones are not expensive, true half of the phones Verizon carrys are all digital, the other half are tri-mode. Cost on these phones range from $9.99 (your right Cain, that is expensive) to $249.99 for a phone with video, expandle memory slot, speakerphone, bluetooth handsfree, mp3 playback, etc etc etc.
So the ad was wrong... period.
So the ad was wrong... period.
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Isn't there a clause on that rate plan though? that so many minutes have to be on network? I'm just asking, not attacking... I honestly don't know the details to that plan.
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Isn't there a clause on that rate plan though? that so many minutes have to be on network? I'm just asking, not attacking... I honestly don't know the details to that plan.
You're probably thinking of Sprint, and their infamous "we'll dump you if you roam too much" policy. 😳
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Actually I just found out that Cingular is the same way (check the posts under "CINGULAR HAS HORRIBLE CUSTORMER SERVICE" in the Cingular forum). I was actually thinking about switching to Cingular because their map says I would have service in my area on the Cingular network but they do not have any stores around here. So I was going to get it off of the internet but I got bashed in the Cingular forum and was accused of trying to commit fraud and whatnot. But with Verizon there are no roaming charges so I do not even know where you guys are getting that from. When you are on the VZW network you do not get charged and when you are on the Extended Network you do not get charged. I live in an area where VZW is not offered (moved here from a VZW...
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Yup, and it says that in their customer agreement.
I read the thread you posted, "CINGULAR HAS HORRIBLE CUSTORMER SERVICE," and you got bashed pretty hard for something that didn't sound like it was your fault--->if you say that you entered in your zip code and all that came was an html error then I beleive you, I don't know why anyone would lie about that. Also, their map shows that you're covered it doesn't show that your area is an extended market.
I read the thread you posted, "CINGULAR HAS HORRIBLE CUSTORMER SERVICE," and you got bashed pretty hard for something that didn't sound like it was your fault--->if you say that you entered in your zip code and all that came was an html error then I beleive you, I don't know why anyone would lie about that. Also, their map shows that you're covered it doesn't show that your area is an extended market.
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Thank you thank you thank you...about time someone actually read what I had to say...Cingular has cool phones and all but I dont want to get booted if I spend a month an a Cingular Extended area. There areas on the Cingular map where they dont even cover at all...On a VZW map it is pretty much all red because they can pretty much cover anywhere when they have analog as a backup. Yeah analog might not be the best thing in the world but it sure as hell is worth it when your stuck in the middle of no where with only analog coverage. The first couple of calls may not go thru but all you need is one. With Cingular it would probably just say out of service or something. You guys also have to remember that service coverage and quality is going to b...
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Hey Untouchable...
Read the thread on the Cingular forum and have to say it's pretty horrible the way you were treated and the sarcastic responses you received simply because you didn't understand about the coverage in your area. I would have also been confused if the map said one thing...then your computer malfunctions or whatever...not allowing you to see that service is not available in your area. CainMarko, Greyrat and some of the other's should have taken a moment to "think" that "hey, maybe this guy doesn't understand...maybe we need to ask Untouchable some questions and probe this a bit further before we respond...". Then further it was wrong for that manager not to come to the phone simply because he or she "didn't want to deal w...
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Read the thread on the Cingular forum and have to say it's pretty horrible the way you were treated and the sarcastic responses you received simply because you didn't understand about the coverage in your area. I would have also been confused if the map said one thing...then your computer malfunctions or whatever...not allowing you to see that service is not available in your area. CainMarko, Greyrat and some of the other's should have taken a moment to "think" that "hey, maybe this guy doesn't understand...maybe we need to ask Untouchable some questions and probe this a bit further before we respond...". Then further it was wrong for that manager not to come to the phone simply because he or she "didn't want to deal w...
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Cingular will boot you for roaming or being on their extended network too much???
If true, dat's crappy. ☹️
If true, dat's crappy. ☹️
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Yes. Cingular asks you were you spend most of your calling. If you spend most of your calling in an area that they don't offer service and you don't tell them that then they will boot you if you spend more than 50% off their network. It's so that Cingular doesn't take it in the ass with roaming charges from another carrier because thier customer lied to them.
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I see. Does Verizon do this also?
Also, speaking as a customer, charging the ETF on top of dumping someone seems a bit mean-spirited. I understand that customers lying isn't cool, but I could also see situations where ppl didn't mean to be off-network so much.
Seems like if you dump someone AND charge an ETF on top of it, you've kind of made an enemy for life there. But maybe they figure that if they've dumped them, they've already made an enemy, so they might as well get more $ ☹️
Also, speaking as a customer, charging the ETF on top of dumping someone seems a bit mean-spirited. I understand that customers lying isn't cool, but I could also see situations where ppl didn't mean to be off-network so much.
Seems like if you dump someone AND charge an ETF on top of it, you've kind of made an enemy for life there. But maybe they figure that if they've dumped them, they've already made an enemy, so they might as well get more $ ☹️
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I live in LAS VEgas and had a friend over from LA who had to use my phone because he VERIZON phone could not make a call from my home. This was the same person I was with in Atlantic City earlier this year who had to buy a pay per minute phone because her VErizon service was terrible there as well...Needless to say she is switching to Cingular and tired of paying the vERIZON 'premium" so she can make a call "where the buffalo roam" but not in major populated areas...
The longtime VErizon users are still living in the world where VErizon WAS the Best. They have no idea how far Cingular service and coverage has come and won't know until or unless they actually try it.
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The longtime VErizon users are still living in the world where VErizon WAS the Best. They have no idea how far Cingular service and coverage has come and won't know until or unless they actually try it.
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Aw c'mon Kingfrog, don't beat around the bush... tell us what you REALLY think. 🙄
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Well, let's hope. Cingular and ATTW were the only national carriers to actually LOSE MARKETSHARE in 2004 (scroll to bottom for chart):
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/business ... »
That's part of why I tend to take the predictions of the combined company being so wonderful with a grain of salt. Its pretty obvious that they have some things to work on first.
Some will never admit Cingular is a much better company now than only a year ago nevermnd 5 years ago.
Well, let's hope. Cingular and ATTW were the only national carriers to actually LOSE MARKETSHARE in 2004 (scroll to bottom for chart):
http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/journalgazette/business ... »
That's part of why I tend to take the predictions of the combined company being so wonderful with a grain of salt. Its pretty obvious that they have some things to work on first.
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They said Verizon doesn't have a national plan without roaming charges. That is not true. Verizon has the singlerate plan which has no roaming charges at all.
but its a much more expensive plan (150 minutes for $35 🤣 ) and it is different that their "advertised" plan. Cingular used to do the same thing and then realized more plans + more maps = more confused customers.
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They said Verizon doesn't have a national plan without roaming charges. That is not true. Verizon has the singlerate plan which has no roaming charges at all.
but its a much more expensive plan (150 minutes for $35 🤣 ) and it is different that their "advertised" plan. Cingular used to do the same thing and then realized more plans + more maps = more confused customers.
I'm confused. Wouldn't the kind of person who'd get something like the National Singlerate plan do it only because they live way out in the boonies and know they're going to analog roam constantly because there's really no other signal out there? In that case, an expens...
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They said Verizon doesn't have a national plan without roaming charges. That is not true. Verizon has the singlerate plan which has no roaming charges at all.
but its a much more expensive plan (150 minutes for $35 🤣 ) and it is different that their "advertised" plan. Cingular used to do the same thing and then realized more plans + more maps = more confused customers.
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CainMarko said:
Well, let's just clear something up... it's not digital.... all of Cingular's ads always mention DIGITAL.
Doesn't seem to mention digital in the area under discussion... at least not in the large print:
http://www.cingular.com/download/compareAd.pdf »
Why aren't you so hard on the "fewer dropped calls" claim? That's the biggest misleading statement in all of wireless.
If you have evidence of VZW misleading ppl on this, I'd be happy to be hard on Verizon over it. But I haven't seen any. Also, CDMA in general seems to have an advantage in this area.
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If you have evidence of VZW misleading ppl on this, I'd be happy to be hard on Verizon over it. But I haven't seen any. Also, CDMA in general seems to have an advantage in this area.
CDMA has an advantage? Tell me then, why does Sprint PCS have the WORST dropped call rate of ALL of the Major carriers? hmmmmm. They have a "brand new all digital network" but the ydropped calls like hot potatoes.
As far as "evidence".... just view the VZW forums. There are VZW reps misleading people all the time.... you have only to look there for TONS of misinfo.
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Yep, CDMA does have a technical advantage there. It has to do with soft handoffs and being in contact with two towers at the same time. I also can see it my own usage- I have a hard time remembering the last time I dropped a call. But if Sprint is having problems, that would be interesting- is there a link that talks about this?
Also, as far as VZW reps misleading folks all the time, I think it'd be interesting if you listed the 'Top 10 Misleading Things VZW Reps' say, in a new thread... if VZWs reps are indeed being naughty, its time to give them a spanking.
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Also, as far as VZW reps misleading folks all the time, I think it'd be interesting if you listed the 'Top 10 Misleading Things VZW Reps' say, in a new thread... if VZWs reps are indeed being naughty, its time to give them a spanking.
I can say from personal experience that I WAS, in fact, mislead by a VZW rep at a Verizon store- I wanted a Local Digital Choice 1000 Anytime minutes plan for $39.99, and was to...
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Yep, CDMA does have a technical advantage there. It has to do with soft handoffs and being in contact with two towers at the same time. I also can see it my own usage- I have a hard time remembering the last time I dropped a call. But if Sprint is having problems, that would be interesting- is there a link that talks about this? CDMA only has a "theoretical" advantage. Soft hand offs are only an issue if your network is OVERLOADED. The networks in the US are RARELY overloaded. GSM doesn't use "soft hand offs" because there is no need for them. This is another of many "theoretical" advantages that don't ever see the light of day. You listen to CDGIII too much... he speaks
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That plan is NOT a DIGITAL PLAN....it requires a TRI-MODE phone with analog service.
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Which is exactly what makes it superior to Cingular's coverage. Verizon, Sprint, Alltel, U.S. Cellular, Western Wireless and other CDMA users can use their phones in more places than GSM users can. It is an advantage to be able to call regardless of what the technology is because there are no large tracts of area covered by only GSM. For over the road truck drivers and people whose business takes them out of metros GSM is not only a waste of money it is dangerous in case of an emergency. Of course John Stossel didn't rate Cingular in the West, but in New York City.
No matter what your argument about all digital and such it doesn't create GSM service in rural areas where the GSM carriers have never been too excited about building towers eve...
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CainMarko said:
That plan is NOT a DIGITAL PLAN....it requires a TRI-MODE phone with analog service.
I dont understand. The ad didnt say anything about a national digital plan. It just says "national plan without roaming".
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CainMarko said:
You WOULDN'T understand shade.
Well yeah, that happens when people dont explain what they post.
The ad says national plan, without mentioning digital. Why does it matter that the singlerate plan is meant for a tri-mode phone? Its still a national plan, it still has no roaming charges.
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here's why.... that plan was not on VZW's website when the ad was posted. That plan was offered in the past but was added back on after the ad I'm sure.
And it's STILL not a "national" plan if you can only use all of the funtions of the phone in "select" areas.
And it's STILL not a "national" plan if you can only use all of the funtions of the phone in "select" areas.
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Until there is a plan that covers every square inch of the USA, isnt that the case of every plan?
This plan has also always been on the VZW site, and was never not offered.
Not to mention you *can* use an all digital phone on this plan, you just wont have coverage in analog areas.
This plan has also always been on the VZW site, and was never not offered.
Not to mention you *can* use an all digital phone on this plan, you just wont have coverage in analog areas.
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Excuse me... I know for a FACT that the plan was not on the website for a lengthy amount of time. It was gone for almost 2 months.
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Id love to hear this fact. Im on the website 5 days a week. If it was missing, it couldnt have been missing for a duration longer than 2 days, since thats that the most number of days ive had off.
So bring on your factual support.
So bring on your factual support.
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shadedpain4 said:Careful. Keep egging him on and he'll start yakking about "serial killers" and such. He gets scary.
Id love to hear this fact. Im on the website 5 days a week. If it was missing, it couldnt have been missing for a duration longer than 2 days, since thats that the most number of days ive had off.
So bring on your factual support.
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I hope we havent come to the point where simply asking Cain to support his statements is considered "egging him on".
He said it was a fact, so im sure he has some way to support it.
You know, even though it isnt true.
He said it was a fact, so im sure he has some way to support it.
You know, even though it isnt true.
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muchdrama said:
Careful. Keep egging him on and he'll start yakking about "serial killers" and such. He gets scary.
True dat. He totally freaked out on me yesterday for no reason. Its almost a shame his post got modded, it was pure comedy gold, though not in the way he intended. 😉
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BetterThanJake said:muchdrama said:
it was pure comedy gold, though not in the way he intended. 😉
he does have a knack for that....
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Well.... on the flip side... please bring me your factual support that proves that it WAS there.
Here's the biggest tell-tale: VZW is QUICK to sue ANYone with false claims and false advertising. Just look at what they sued Nextel over (they tried to sue nextel because nextel advertized "cost to coast" walkie-talkie.) IF Cingular had "lied" about something VZW offered, we would have already seen the article covering the law suit on the front page of this website, and everyone here knows it.
Ok?
And one other thing. I'd just like to point out that:
1. Cingular DOES now have the LARGEST all digital voice/data network.
2. Cingular DOES offer service to more customers.
3. Cingular HAS the most customers.
4. ALL of Cingular's NAT...
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Here's the biggest tell-tale: VZW is QUICK to sue ANYone with false claims and false advertising. Just look at what they sued Nextel over (they tried to sue nextel because nextel advertized "cost to coast" walkie-talkie.) IF Cingular had "lied" about something VZW offered, we would have already seen the article covering the law suit on the front page of this website, and everyone here knows it.
Ok?
And one other thing. I'd just like to point out that:
1. Cingular DOES now have the LARGEST all digital voice/data network.
2. Cingular DOES offer service to more customers.
3. Cingular HAS the most customers.
4. ALL of Cingular's NAT...
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Well.... on the flip side... please bring me your factual support that proves that it WAS there.
Um.... the rest of your post was a long list of rhetoric that had little to do with this plan not being listed on the VZW site for 2 months that you stated was a FACT.
I dont really care how big cingular is, how big verizon is, whatever. I was only commenting on that particular ad, and the comments being made about this.
Again, my factual support is using the site every day, 5 days a week. It's there, it's always been there.
I saw it. I use it.
You didnt explain at all what your factual evidence was.
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Gee...
My factual evidence is that I'VE been on the site almost DAILY for 3 years. I am IN MARKETING. I CONSTANTLY scan all of the competition on a DAILY BASIS. I personally know the guys who came up with that ad. I also know that the info they used at the time was 100% correct. That plan was NOT on the website for a good long while. I could care less if someone like you believes it or not.
My factual evidence is that I'VE been on the site almost DAILY for 3 years. I am IN MARKETING. I CONSTANTLY scan all of the competition on a DAILY BASIS. I personally know the guys who came up with that ad. I also know that the info they used at the time was 100% correct. That plan was NOT on the website for a good long while. I could care less if someone like you believes it or not.
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1st of all, i can vouche for it being on the site, at least in the northeast. Maybe you arent very good at browsing web sites, or were looking at another regional area.
2nd. The plan has been offered. Has always been offered. There was never a time in the last 18 months were you could not get that plan. It being on the website or not doesnt change that. It being available is what makes that ad false, not it being listed on the website.
2nd. The plan has been offered. Has always been offered. There was never a time in the last 18 months were you could not get that plan. It being on the website or not doesnt change that. It being available is what makes that ad false, not it being listed on the website.
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1st of all, i can vouche for it being on the site, at least in the northeast. Maybe you arent very good at browsing web sites, or were looking at another regional area.
2nd. The plan has been offered. Has always been offered. There was never a time in the last 18 months were you could not get that plan. It being on the website or not doesnt change that. It being available is what makes that ad false, not it being listed on the website.
"1st of all"... you are full of crap. I make it my job to know the competition. My regions ARE the Northeast. NYC, NJ, and Philly specifically.
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i love your logic! If it was incorrect we would have been sued by now. Since we havent been sued we must be correct!
It's a simple fact that VZW singlerate national plan has been around much longer than ive been here, and has always been offered in that time. Im sorry you need litigation to realise this, but it's still true.
At least we have finally figured you out Cain! You never realise you are wrong because no one you have discussions with sues you. It all makes sense now! 🙂
It's a simple fact that VZW singlerate national plan has been around much longer than ive been here, and has always been offered in that time. Im sorry you need litigation to realise this, but it's still true.
At least we have finally figured you out Cain! You never realise you are wrong because no one you have discussions with sues you. It all makes sense now! 🙂
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It's a simple fact that VZW singlerate national plan has been around much longer than ive been here, and has always been offered in that time. Im sorry you need litigation to realise this, but it's still true.
Yup. Its been there every time I've ever looked at National plans on the VZW site as well, and I started looking a few months ago. It caught my interest 'cuz I was sorta interested in a no roaming charges plan.
I don't understand why Cain is pretzeling himself to avoid admitting that the Cingy ad is wrong either... previously he did admit that the word(s) 'Digital' or 'all-digital' should've been in the Cingy ad, which would've made it correct. Ah well.
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I don't understand why Cain is pretzeling himself to avoid admitting that the Cingy ad is wrong either...
Because he's Cain?
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shadedpain4 said:
Because he's Cain?
LOL, I guess so.
The thing I don't get is, I *think* Cain wants to be an effective advocate for Cingy. But, if all you do is yell and scream and insult ppl, then you stop being seen as a rational individual, and instead start to be seen as a whack job. And I just don't get how you can be an effective advocate for anything as a whack job.
I mean, does anyone ever say, "Oh, the whack job really likes that company! Now I KNOW its good!" ?
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BetterThanJake said:
The thing I don't get is, I *think* Cain wants to be an effective advocate for Cingy. But, if all you do is yell and scream and insult ppl, then you stop being seen as a rational individual, and instead start to be seen as a whack job.
Well said. I know Cain's intentions are well, but his delivery and lack of being able to see both sides of issues seriously gets in the way of his effectiveness.
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The National Singlerate plan has been around for AT LEAST 6 years because that was the first plan I ever got with Verizon and kept it for about 4 years...Now its all one plan and you get service when you're on the VZW network or extended network all across the counrty.
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Depends on how much $$ would start floating in the economy... I don't think they would be against the merger itself (Considering VZW has more than doubled other carriers in customer base before) so this really wouldn't be too different... On the other hand though... The FCC loves to C*ck Block VZW every chance they get... then again on the other hand... Nextel seems to be the FCC's favorite since they've been able to get... basically everything they've asked for... I think it's waivering on this... But I agree that Sprint and Nextel probably won't recieve too much argument...
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oh... one more thing...
your "voucher"=zero.
As does yours.
Of course you are the one who started shooting your mouth off about it being a proven fact with only your personal observations to back it up.
Then you attack someone with the same type of evidence. How Cain-esque! 😁
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So Cain, how come if its so great It doesn't cover places like Montana or Wyoming?
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Cain is talking about overall coverage... You're argument is pointless because no carrier covers all 50 states... and when 49 are covered you'll probably be the one to say... "If your coverage is so great how come it doesn't cover alaska?"
be reasonable... but on a sidenote... we will be offering coverage in 49 states 🙂
be reasonable... but on a sidenote... we will be offering coverage in 49 states 🙂
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I understand, but at least verizon has at least one town in each of the 50 states. That was my only thing. We do have service in Jeuno and Anchorage and one other town i always forget the name. Thanks though
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No, even Verizon does not boast all 50 states... We have coverage in Alaska but it's not something phenomenol same for VZW... even the VZW reps agree with that... Alaska will probably be the last state to see awesome coverage... As far as blow for blow... both VZW and Cingular have coverage in the continental US in at least one city per state, Hawaii and minimal coverage in Alaska.
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Um actually. Cingular offers COVERAGE in wyoming AND montana. VZW offers coverage in oklahoma, but they don't offer SERVICE there. If you are talking about "service", then Cingular offers service to MORE customers than VZW. Cingular offers more digital coverage as well. Cingular also offers more coverage with analog as well.
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Cingular could say the exact same things about Tmobile that they said about Verizon but it would be even more true. At least with Verizon its a close comparison. With Tmobile it's not even close.
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Ok... you seem to have rec'd your info from a crackerjack box. Cingular will NOT be going bankrupt. Do you people ever think "man, i might look like the dumbest MF EVER if I post this nonsense"??? I bet you wouldn't post this BS if you'd think about what you were saying.... but hell, you're probably a VZW customer, and they think FOR you.
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lol wow...way to use the facts to support a claim. Was that supposed to be a yes or no survey? I missed the little clicky button, did anyone see it around?
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There is nothing in that advertisement that IS NOT honest. It's 100% fact.
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In this add it clearly states the following:
"National Plans Without Roaming Charges"
Cingular: YES
Verizon: NO
I think the point that Cingular was trying to make is that you aren't sacrificing anything or paying anything extra for truly free roaming. On the Verizon plan you get 150 minutes for $39.99. On Cingular's national plans, the same amount of anytime minutes are offered on the same rate plan as before the free roaming was introduced.
Before: $39.99-450 anytime minutes, free M2M, 5,000 N&W
After: $39.99-450 anytime minutes, free M2M, 5,000 N&W, FREE roaming
^Notice that both of the plans are the same price.
Cingular was pointing out that with Verizon's plan, you aren't really getting free r ...
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"National Plans Without Roaming Charges"
Cingular: YES
Verizon: NO
I think the point that Cingular was trying to make is that you aren't sacrificing anything or paying anything extra for truly free roaming. On the Verizon plan you get 150 minutes for $39.99. On Cingular's national plans, the same amount of anytime minutes are offered on the same rate plan as before the free roaming was introduced.
Before: $39.99-450 anytime minutes, free M2M, 5,000 N&W
After: $39.99-450 anytime minutes, free M2M, 5,000 N&W, FREE roaming
^Notice that both of the plans are the same price.
Cingular was pointing out that with Verizon's plan, you aren't really getting free r ...
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Thats strange because I am on a 400 min, no roaming, free n&w for $39.99/mo. with Verizon.
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Umm no I dont. Im always on either Verizon towers or extended network and its like that all over the country from where I have been. I have been to various places all over the country and taking various routes and I have never had a problem or any sort of roaming charges. Makes me wish I had a Cingular phone with me at the time for comparison.
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Can someone define for me what a "national plan" is?
If i have service that works in NYC, and LA, both places considered home area, and no service anywhere else in the US, would that be a national plan with no roaming?
If i have service that works in NYC, and LA, both places considered home area, and no service anywhere else in the US, would that be a national plan with no roaming?
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shadedpain4 said:
Can someone define for me what a "national plan" is?
If i have service that works in NYC, and LA, both places considered home area, and no service anywhere else in the US, would that be a national plan with no roaming?
someone around here has to know what a national plan is!
Anyone?
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A national plan lets you go anywhere in the US within your carriers towers. Most plans from what I understood are like this. There are carriers that offer regional or state coverage and when you go outside of those areas you roam.
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i said that there is the possibility of incurring roaming charges. i dont know where you work or travel, on the plan you're on if you make/place a call where we do not provide service then you will incur a roaming fee. if you havent incurred this fee then that means you use your phone where we provide coverage.
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I understand what your saying. I have a Americas Choice plan. I was just stating that wherever I have gone including really rural areas, I have always been able to make a call. Thats all I was basically trying to say.
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Fooey!
I have sold for several carriers in several markets, both metro and rural.
Why is it that the GSM carriers have the highest churn, most dissatisfaction with call quality and no presence in rural markets?
When the Cingular buyout of ATTWS was announced one of the reps for one of the carriers we sell told me that Cingular uses guerilla marketing tactics and that the truth is very relative and can be spun however.
Since then I have seen nothing but smoke coming from Cingular.
We had to deal with ATTWS and their distortions of truth.
Let's just take a VZW phone and a Cingular phone. We'll start in Lincoln City, Oregon and head East on HWY 20. We will initiate a call on both phones in downtown Lincoln City and then drive East.
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I have sold for several carriers in several markets, both metro and rural.
Why is it that the GSM carriers have the highest churn, most dissatisfaction with call quality and no presence in rural markets?
When the Cingular buyout of ATTWS was announced one of the reps for one of the carriers we sell told me that Cingular uses guerilla marketing tactics and that the truth is very relative and can be spun however.
Since then I have seen nothing but smoke coming from Cingular.
We had to deal with ATTWS and their distortions of truth.
Let's just take a VZW phone and a Cingular phone. We'll start in Lincoln City, Oregon and head East on HWY 20. We will initiate a call on both phones in downtown Lincoln City and then drive East.
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Who cares if the call is analog or digital if it can be placed?One of the truest statements I've read on this forum yet.
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muchdrama said:Who cares if the call is analog or digital if it can be placed?One of the truest statements I've read on this forum yet.
people who want to use ANY feature? People who want to make a call that will last longer than a few minutes.
oh, and drama... it's a QUESTION not a STATEMENT. here's the deal.... analog won't be around for too much longer(200😎 i believe. Then what? Oh yeah the VZW map gets REAL SMALL then. So yeah you can make calls in analog areas... and you can call all of the other desert or forest creatures who use analog as well.
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Lol... I hope for your sake Cain that you never break down or have an emergency in a analog area. You don't really appreciate some things until you dont have them.
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Yep.
For example, Cain would still be lying on the desert, broken-legged, concussed, snakebit, and stuck, if I had not finally broken down and given him a trimode phone:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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(btw, to the ppl who asked: I cannot authorize any poking of Cain with sticks or repeated and gratutitous snake-biting. That would be mean.)
For example, Cain would still be lying on the desert, broken-legged, concussed, snakebit, and stuck, if I had not finally broken down and given him a trimode phone:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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(btw, to the ppl who asked: I cannot authorize any poking of Cain with sticks or repeated and gratutitous snake-biting. That would be mean.)
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Cain is probably just a city boy and doesn't realize the country has more than just metros.
That is the mentality that has plagued many wireless carriers. Awesome urban networks, crummy rural networks (except on Interstates between metros)
Cain, take the challenge. Start in Lincoln City, Oregon with a Cingular phone and a Verizon phone and travel East on US 20. You will find out why ATTWS customers churned to VZW.
If that is too wild for you then we will give you US 2 from Everett, WA to Bismarck, ND or US 97 from Weed, CA to Osooyoos, WA or US 395 from Colville, WA to Las Vegas
The fact is GSM is not as well built out because there are only 2 large carriers who use it. A strength of Verizon is their backwards compatibility.
That is the mentality that has plagued many wireless carriers. Awesome urban networks, crummy rural networks (except on Interstates between metros)
Cain, take the challenge. Start in Lincoln City, Oregon with a Cingular phone and a Verizon phone and travel East on US 20. You will find out why ATTWS customers churned to VZW.
If that is too wild for you then we will give you US 2 from Everett, WA to Bismarck, ND or US 97 from Weed, CA to Osooyoos, WA or US 395 from Colville, WA to Las Vegas
The fact is GSM is not as well built out because there are only 2 large carriers who use it. A strength of Verizon is their backwards compatibility.
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2 large carriers?
Yeah only if you count Cingular and Tmobile...
however there are a few dozen GSM operators in the US.
Yeah only if you count Cingular and Tmobile...
however there are a few dozen GSM operators in the US.
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CainMarko said:Don't get pissy with me, you jerk. It WAS a statement. Read it again. He'...muchdrama said:Who cares if the call is analog or digital if it can be placed?One of the truest statements I've read on this forum yet.
people who want to use ANY feature? People who want to make a call that will last longer than a few minutes.
oh, and drama... it's a QUESTION not a STATEMENT. here's the deal.... analog won't be around for too much longer(200😎 i believe. Then what? Oh yeah the VZW map gets REAL SMALL then. So yeah you can make calls in analog areas... and you can call all of the other desert or forest creatures who use analog as well.
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uh... you are going on OLD info as usual. Cingular at ONE time did have more complaints, but that is no longer true. And you and I both know that it was because of the Early Termination Fee issue from 2002. Once again you are speaking out of your hind quarters. You have come in here countless times and made bogus claims about Cingular , but your only evidence EVER is "My buddy told me". You are just full of sh1t. And there is NOTHING inflated about Cingular's coverage maps... you have to look at Sprint and VZW maps for bogus coveage areas.
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