They are generally worse. Ther may be a few exceptions. And I hear it all the time from customers, and my roommate who sells sprint and verizon.

its called demand...thats why, because everyone thinks they look better. pretty much anything w/ an external antenna sux, its just so susceptible to different elements...damage can be done to it quickly

I'm ok with external antennas, as long as they're easily replaceable. If you have to disassemble the phone to do so, forget it.

I've never broken or bent an antennae yet. Knock on wood.

some of those motorolas you have to have a special key to take the anntena out 😛 So you have to go into a repair center to do it.

You DON'T have to go to a repair center. You can buy a replacement antenna at RadioCrap (RadioShack) and it comes with the key.

pizpiz80 said:
You DON'T have to go to a repair center. You can buy a replacement antenna at RadioCrap (RadioShack) and it comes with the key.

Good to know. My friend who just dumped ATTW/Cingular to go to Verizon has a Moto V265. 🙂

Really? Didn't know that. When i got my new annenna for my moto i just went to the repair center and they installed it for free when i bought it from them so i didn't realise you could buy the key.

_m0nkey.. said:
its called demand...thats why, because everyone thinks they look better. pretty much anything w/ an external antenna sux, its just so susceptible to different elements...damage can be done to it quickly

And yet phones with them get better reception.

that is completely subject to opinion, I've never had good reception w/ a flip phone that had an external antenna ....BUT I will admit I have never OWNED a vzw phone and they are about the only carrier that still uses the retractable antennas...oh and nextel, I have however USED one and they had good reception. So I guess I stand corrected...or actually I was right...it is TOTALLY SUBJECT TO OPINION. =)
Good Day!

yeah... you and the desert lizaeds can make call in analog all day(except your phone's battery will last about 20 minutes while in analog mode).

CainMarko said:
yeah... you and the desert lizaeds can make call in analog all day(except your phone's battery will last about 20 minutes while in analog mode).

Or you could make that call out in the boondocks where's there's no other signal but analog that gets you a tow truck or somebody's life saved.

C'mon Cain, you know this. How's tricks?

I know what?.... have you ever tried to use analog while in the "boondocks"? Just because it SAYS there is analog coverage doesn't mean you'll get a call to go through. "C'mon B, you know this". You are better off sending smoke signals...

Cain, I don't know what you're on about, but you must be aware that there are areas where an analog signal is the ONLY signal.

And yes, I do have friends with trimode phones. They work. I wouldn't mind having one myself, when I upgrade.

Yes, but analog still sucks.

But, its better than nothing.

only IF it works. When I was with sprint, the analog wouldn't work very well either.

Sigh.

*takes Cain out to some remote area*

*makes him go rockclimbing/ hiking/ whitewater rafting/ 4-wheelin'*

*watches Cain fall and break his leg/ get bit by a rattlesnake/ get a concussion on a rock/ get his truck stuck*

*throws Cain an all-digital phone to call 911 and AAA*

*it doesn't work*

*asks Cain if he thinks analog still sucks now*

😉

OhOhOhOh!!!

Can I be there too and poke him with a stick? 😈 😛

Can I play the rattlesnake part?

Can I, Can I?

As much fun as that sounds, he is right, analog does suck. your phone can say analog on it and you can't make a call.

By the way, I do go hiking, mountain biking and 4 wheeling out in the middle of the desert. Phoenix is surrounded by desert and mountains, many great places to go and get away from it all. Both my old Verizon and Sprint phones were unreliable when in analog mode.

Now it's not as bad as he says, but for every 2-3 calls that I could make, I couldn't make 1 or 2 either (dang mountains). But at least I could call my buddy and get him to bring over another shovel and get my truck dug out of the sand.

Don't forget your fangs! 😈

Just like someone else said though. At least when it works its better than nothing. If i had a broken leg or was stuck, i wouldn't complain about 2 or 3 dropped calls out of 4. Cause all you need is one to go through.

Exactly. 🙂

lol 🤣

BetterThanJake said:
Sigh.

*takes Cain out to some remote area*

*makes him go rockclimbing/ hiking/ whitewater rafting/ 4-wheelin'*

*watches Cain fall and break his leg/ get bit by a rattlesnake/ get a concussion on a rock/ get his truck stuck*

*throws Cain an all-digital phone to call 911 and AAA*

*it doesn't work*

*asks Cain if he thinks analog still sucks now*

😉

*Cain reaches into his pocket and gets his GPS handheld radio and calls in for help. Cain is a hunter and doesn't even bother taking his cell phone into remote areas.*

*Cain realizes he should use the right tool for the right job and has a legitimate "emergency tool" instead of having a crappy cell phone with a crip...
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*BTJ looks on in awe as Cain pretzels himself into a human yarn ball in a futile effort to deny that having analog capability is a GOOD thing*

I must say Cain, I'm impressed. 😁

i was with him until he started listening to music on the phone he doesnt bring with him to remote areas.

LOL! I missed that, until you pointed it out.

LOL Cain's a hypocrite... everyone point and laugh.

Let's not be mean. Cain is obviously a fire-breathing Cingular-head who spins harder than Tony Soprano's lawyer BUT at least you know that when you talk to him. He deserves a ribbing for it, but not ridicule. IMO, anyway. 😎

He knows im givin him a hard time. I just like to push Cain's buttons when he makes a mistake. lol

*Cain's wife always brings hers*

😉

"Cain plugs his headset into HIS phone"

So your wife carries YOUR phone or she carries a phone that u claim as YOURS? Come on bud, you made a mistake admit it. 😁

if you call an anecdotal story to prove a point a "mistake" so be it.... you can now die a happy man. tho you had to really reach to get me on that one. but i never said i didn't keep my phone in my car.... i just don't take it out into the woods while im hunting. anyway.... you guys are proving to be incredibly sad people to have to "prove me wrong" on something as dumb as that... it must be because you can't seem to "prove me wrong" on anything that DOES matter....

Man you're a touchy person. Admitting to being wrong once won't hurt ya. And yes if you are wrong i WILL go out of my way to prove you wrong.

pizpiz80 said:
Man you're a touchy person. Admitting to being wrong once won't hurt ya. And yes if you are wrong i WILL go out of my way to prove you wrong.

Must be because you have no life...

And if i DIDN'T have a life, at least i'd be able to admit it.

Funny... i've proven you wrong several times... you have yet to admit to anything...

Ok, then when will you admit that you are wrong? NEVER. and i'm pretty sure everyone on here knows you won't 🙄

that's odd... i've admitted i was wrong a few times... but it's few and far between... i'm rarely wrong. That's why people like you go out of their way to prove me wrong. I'm like some sort of badge of honor for people like you... it makes you feel better about yourself to say "I proved CainMarko wrong!!!" Wow you proved that I wouldn't be able to listen to my mp3 player phone while i was waiting on an ambulance because i left it in my truck... are you kidding me? THAT'S your big "prove em wrong"??? If you fail to realize that the story was just as hypothetical as the story that it referenced, then you have a general lack of mental capacity. My entire point is that even tho I may not be able to make an analog call, I could sit and wait while...
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So what do you get outta saying i have a lack of mental capacity? Do that make you feel high and mighty? If so, congratulations, you can have your star back.

yikes!

I was just poking fun at a silly story! 😲

CainMarko said:
it must be because you can't seem to "prove me wrong" on anything that DOES matter....

In fairness Cain, you HAVE been wrong on 'things that matter' before. Such as when you maintained that the world CDMA user base was around 100 million people, when in fact it was more than double that.

ANYONE can and will be wrong sometimes. Its absurd to maintain otherwise. 🤭

Uh yeah... and I also admitted I was wrong(not that YOU or ANY of my naysayers would admit to that)... but in actualilty, you can also review some posts from a few months before that... i correctly stated that CDMA had 212 million customers. I just misread the website when I referenced it again.
I also admitted i was wrong when I stated that EDGE STILL had the speed record for wireless data transmission. the record was just recently broken by VZW's ev-do network.

bottom line: I'm a target for people like you and pisspiss. It's ok tho, because when all is said and done, i'll put my record against anyone's.

I'm tired of your insults Cain. An admin has been contacted.

CainMarko said:
Uh yeah... and I also admitted I was wrong(not that YOU or ANY of my naysayers would admit to that)...

Yes Cain, you admitted you were wrong... AFTER I pointed out that you were, and you went back and re-read the site.

You also later came up with some odd equivocations and said stuff like "Well in light of these other stats, I don't think I'm wrong after all." 🙄

bottom line: I'm a target for people like you and pisspiss. It's ok tho, because when all is said and done, i'll put my record against anyone's.

I can't speak for piz, but I don't target you... I'm actually pretty civil, considering that we disagree most of the time. If others do target you, i...
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BetterThanJake said:

CainMarko said:
Uh yeah... and I also admitted I was wrong(not that YOU or ANY of my naysayers would admit to that)...

Yes Cain, you admitted you were wrong... AFTER I pointed out that you were, and you went back and re-read the site. if you'd spend as much time researching your claims as you did arguing, you'd realize that I posted long before that post that CDMA had 212 million subscribers... So when EXACTLY are people supposed to admit they are wrong? You say I admitted it "AFTER YOU POINTED IT OUT" like it means less that I admitted it after it was pointed out. I actually even research it myself sometimes... I have comeback and posted I was incorrect without

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Cain, that's not the way I remember it, but frankly, I don't care enough to argue every little thing with you. 🙄

And if you honestly think that there's a 'Cain Marko Hater's Club' and that I would care enough to be a part of it, then you do have a rather entertainingly large ego.

PS- Everybody arguing is missing a very good Monday Nite Football game right now.

Going to a tri-mode phone would eventually be a downgrade. Why have a tri-mode phone when analog is going to be phased out?

Because its not phased out now and people like to have it as a safety precaution especially when they live in more rural areas. So the v710 would be a downgrade from a vx6000?

uNt0uChAbLe said:
Because its not phased out now and people like to have it as a safety precaution especially when they live in more rural areas. So the v710 would be a downgrade from a vx6000?

Exactly. Why in the world anyone would think having the option to use analog if you need to is a 'downgrade', is beyond me.

I also have to wonder if analog is going to be phased out as quickly as it's currently slated to be. I wouldn't be shocked if a lot of the rural analog-only areas don't have digital service in time to meet the deadline (which economic reasons would seem to indicate they'd get through a long-range 3G technology such as CDMA450, and 3G is still years away from being something most people have)...
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Looking it up, it says that analog wireless isn't mandated to go away until early 2008. That's later than I thought, as several ppl have told me me that analog phone service was gone in late '06... guess they were confusing it with the analog TV deadline.

Ok, so at least 3 more years and change for analog... maybe that really will be long enough for the carriers to finish their digital networks and/or add long-range 3G. In the meantime though, my next phone will still likely be trimode.

You have to remember that some people may live in a rural area but work in a big city. A trimode phone would be perfect for that. Its kinda like VHS tapes and DVDs. Yeah DVDs are the new medium and are widely sold but VHS tapes are still sold just in case people havent upgraded yet. So a combo unit might be best for them to get them to upgrade later to just a DVD player.

Keyword there was eventually. 😉

But eventually appears to mean February 2008, which is when analog wireless is supposed to be shut off. Which means a person could get at least 3 more years of analog service out of a trimode phone.

So again, why not have it, especially since digital is obviously not everywhere yet, and won't be for awhile?

We are getting clashing information here. In an article on PhoneScoop, it says that the phase out is to start in 2007. Another interesting point is that the government isn't only requiring that it be phased out, the companies that operate them requested they be allowed to phase it out of networks.

Analog phones are dinosaurs," says Brian Fontes of Cingular Wireless, which, along with Verizon Wireless and AT&T Wireless, are the major operators of the older analog networks and support their phase-out.

I don't know what Verizon is thinking because if they go through with it, their network will be dwarfed by Cingular.

I don't know about you, but I think its past the point of a "comeback" for Verizon if they do remove the...
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Why would it be a downgrade? Even if you can't use it, it doesnt take anything away from the phone.

It could take unnecessary money out of your pocket, depending on the phone you decided to get. The size of the phone might be a turnoff too. But like I said, it all depends on the phone.

RUFF1415 said:
It could take unnecessary money out of your pocket, depending on the phone you decided to get. The size of the phone might be a turnoff too. But like I said, it all depends on the phone.

Trimode phones are not especially expensive or large.

Look at something like the Samsung 650... small n' cheap. 🙂

Some of them are. It all depends on the phone.