Motorola RAZR V3
V3 is a waste of money
If people really like it, and really want it, they'll pay almost anything to get it.
Yes, the phone costs more than it's worth. Yes, there are more full-featured phones out there to choose from at better prices. But the bottom line is that the people of America have come to the point where they believe that only the best will do. This belief spurns the idea that they must procure the best at any cost. The people who bought, or are planning to buy the Razr believe it's the best phone they can buy, whether it be for looks, functionality, or the sheer ability to say "I've got enough mon...
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disturbed1 said:...
It's pointless to trash this phone here. I can't stand the elitist following it's gathered either, but in reality it boils down to one principle:
If people really like it, and really want it, they'll pay almost anything to get it.
Yes, the phone costs more than it's worth. Yes, there are more full-featured phones out there to choose from at better prices. But the bottom line is that the people of America have come to the point where they believe that only the best will do. This belief spurns the idea that they must procure the best at any cost. The people who bought, or are planning to buy the Razr believe it's the best phone they can buy, whether it be for looks, functionality, or the shee
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Ya know what I call more full featured? EDGE, More integrated BT, Megapixel resolutions, better operating systems, mulitple IM and e-mail clients. And yes, there ARE more full-featured phones out there. Some are for less money, and some are not.
As for my jaded opinions, they're mine, I like em, and I never said you had to agree with them. And no you're not cool because you tried to slap down what was meant to be a well intentioned post.
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Ya know what I call more full featured? EDGE, More integrated BT, Megapixel resolutions, better operating systems, mulitple IM and e-mail clients. And yes, there ARE more full-featured phones out there. Some are for less money, and some are not.
The ONLY feature you mention that PERTAINS TO A PHONE is BT. It would be interesting to know what you mean by "More integrated BT" as the long-range BT that is implemented in the V3 works well.
All the other "features" you mention are just fluff. If those are important to you, get a PDA, you're not interested in a phone...
What I mean by more integrated is better implementation. On the V3's I've played with I have yet to find any listing other than handsfree device. I can't for the life of me find the OBEX, Dialup, imaging, or synchronization profiles. Some of which I'm sure are there. It just doesn't seem that it's integrated into the phone very well from a standpoint of actual...
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On the V3's I've played with I have yet to find any listing other than handsfree device. I can't for the life of me find the OBEX, Dialup, imaging, or synchronization profiles. Some of which I'm sure are there. It just doesn't seem that it's integrated into the phone very well from a standpoint of actually USING it for something other than a headset.
I have the V3 and in addition to using the wireless headset feature you can also send MP3 ringtones and video to the headset as well as sync contacts and calendars. I also use the V3 as a wireless modem when I travel and as a fax machine when I am at work.
One really cool thing is that when somebody calls my V3, their name, number and photo pop up on my desktop scre...
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I'm a "believe it when I see it guy" and I haven't been able to see it yet.
Afraid I can't let you "see it," but I can let you hear it - ready?
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disturbed1 said:
Sorry, that sounds more like you're reading an ad card than actually speaking from experience. I have to call you out on this one. I've got 4 V3's in my stock room at the moment and I'm willing to pull one out and attempt to sync with my t637 or send a picture file or anything. Just tell me where you find the commands to do such things. I've looked in every place I can think of and some I didn't think about initially.
I'm a "believe it when I see it guy" and I haven't been able to see it yet.
well, to transfer a photo, you pick the photo you want to send, select menu, then either 'move' or 'copy' If you select 'move' it will 'move' the photo from one phone; i.e. the Razr, to ano...
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I use a Sony Ericsson...MUCH better implementation of BT. There are different commands in different OS's (for example when using my t637 to view a pic I get a "send" option right on the screen instead of menu diving for it) so forgive me if I didn't pick up on Moto's roundabout way of doing things right away.
But here's an interesting question I've come up with. Using my SE phone I queried the RAZR regarding the phone's available BT services (profiles available). I only recieved "Headset" "File Exchange" and "Object Push" Where are the rest of the profiles? Are they hi...
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And PLEASE don't pretend to know why I, or anyone else, bought this phone. Your 2 cents is only worth even that if you represent your OWN reasons. Trying to project your feelings onto the "people of America" makes your post as worthless as the one that it was in response to.
As for trying to project my feelings...Bull! The reasons any of us get the phones that we do are because we feel that they are the best for us based on things like what we prefer and what we can afford. The reason I got my t637 ...
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I can't stand the elitist following it's gathered either"
ONE person laid a few land mines in the span of, as I recall, one day, which you're now citing as an overarching "elitist following." Don't paint the rest of the V3 owners with the same brush.
You said:
"The people who bought, or are planning to buy the Razr believe it's the best phone they can buy, whether it be for looks, functionality, or the sheer ability to say "I've got enough money to spend $500 on a cell phone" . There's no point in trying to persuade them otherwise."
Again, I don't think ANYONE that regularly posts to this forum has cited the latter reason. That's an assumption that YOU are making. So why offer it up if you post was "well intentioned...
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As for my "I've got enough money to spend $500 on a cell phone" reason, I have actually heard that offered up. Granted not on this forum, but my post, as well as the "elitist following" comment was not necessarily directed only at the people here. In my store I have heard reasons that run the gamut from "I really just think it's hot" to "I got a huge x-mas bonus and I wanna treat myself" to a friend of mine saying something like "people know it's expensive, so what will they think when they see you carrying it?". I've heard these reasons, but when it comes down to it the only people that have actually come in and bought th...
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"the only people that have actually come in and bought them are either snobs or businessmen who could write it off or get their company to pay for it."
That's what is known as a "sweeping generalization." It is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. But it also is insulting (again) to the non-snobs and non-writer-offers that you are throwing under the bus with them.
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Now that you've clarified, how many people have you sold phones to - 3? 30? 300? And what makes some of them "snobs," which is absolutely subjective, not at all factually-based.
I'm not gonna go back and forth on this all day - you're in a V3 forum calling at least a portion of the customer base "snobbish" "elitists" and expecting what are, candidly, inflammatory statements to be received in a neutral fashion. Your "facts" are clouded by personal judgment about the phone and the people that buy them. If you can't see that, well, there's not much more t...
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Other than that, I'm glad you enjoy your v3, all the customers I've sold them to have come back saying that they love it. You seem to have misunderstood me...
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Let's say I go to my local Cingular store, which of course is in the mall or some other high traffic area where the "average cell phone customer" can easily get to. I have to wait forever while people argue about their bill (which we both know they shouldn't do at the retail level) or buy their $20 prepaid phone card or can't decide between the free LG or the Nokia or need you to show them how to add "cool" ringtones because they didn't RTFM.
So, maybe I've waited 1+ hours to sign a 2 year agreement and buy a $500 phone. I came in knowing EXACTLY what I wanted only to find out you don't stock it because the demographics of your area are so shytty (which probably aren't representative o...
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First off, I'm an agent so we don't deal with billing at all. Someone coming here to argue their bill will be sent somewhere that CAN help them. As for CS issues, unless they're short things like adding features or helping a customer understand something about their phone we don't do it.
Now with that said let's see how a V3 sale goes here. You, the Customer, walk in VERY interested in the V3. I accompany you to the display and we converse a bit about the phone, why you like it, what you want in a phone, features, etc. All the while answering any questions you may have. I WILL NOT attempt to disuade you by telling you how bad the v600 was because frankly while this ha...
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My personal opinion is that HAND can't afford one, and therefore no matter what his response, the truth is he doesn't have one and would rather make everyone here feel like defending themselves about the phone.
We could replace HAND with an unwired toggle switch, one that does nothing when flipped.
Having fun, Mr. HAND? Three days before Christmas, and this is what you do for merriment?
FWIW, the target market for the RAZR isn't concerned with spending an extra $100 - $200 for something that meets their needs. For me, the thinness of the phone increases its portability, and therefore its utility to me by FAR mere than the additional cost, so I consider $500 a steal!
And while I didn't care if it had a camera or not, now that i have it I'm taking pictures all the time. Like when my kid was on Santa's lap in the mall last night.
See, THAT's what the Christmas season is...
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As evidence I point out there have been previous posts made about a dislike for the V3, which have sparked good discussions on the pros and cons of the phone.
I see that you're just jealous and
probably can only afford the free
phones if that...
it's overpriced but I wouldn't say waste of money.
I have a love/hate relationship with both Moto and Cingular so I understand the sentiment, however, to be fair...
The V3 is a really cool phone but Moto should be pricing it a bit lower to reach a larger segment of the available market. One of the intangibles/hard to calculate variables in any business is good will or in this case lost good will. Moto could have/should have earned good will by putting a great performing, nice looking phone in the market to help make up for many of their prior blunders.
Happy Holidays to all and I hope you can avoid the Reindeer poop hand 😛
Suppose the tooling is so expensive that they can't reach breakeven and are losing $$ on every one and therefore they don't WANT to reach a larger segment, and at a lower price point they would lose even more? How many "MPJ8s" are out there that they need to repair goodwill with (caution: rhetorical question that can't be quantified)? Isn't it good enough that they made a great phone for a limited market? Maybe they have a follow-up phone for the "masses" that will utilize the technology debuted in the V3, sort of like what Daimler is doing with Mercedes and Chrysler?
Seems like you're quick to assign blame without benefit of all of the facts. :...
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yep.
except they aren't losing on tooling or piece part cost or r&d spend or marketing and promotional dollars. In fact, they implemented their TV ads after the initial launch seeking and getting a budget after the initial financials were done. The Moto leaders didn't have to beg for $$$ to save the phone.. trust me.
I think they have lost good will via the Mpx220, V600 and others.
I hope they are using the V3 platform to drive efficiencies and push less expensive phones into the market.
I am probably overly sensitive because I know some Moto insiders and had horrible experiences with the mpx220.
Cheers and you and your kid(s) will love the walkie talkies.
So I guess that any company that "blunders" in a product presentation, now has to give back? I thought that communism was dead? NEWS FLASH... Motorola is NOT a non-profit company. They have stockholders (probably a stock in your retirement account) to report to.
As someone who lives within 5 miles of the world headquarters for Moto, someone who knows several hundred Moto employees, someone who owns Moto stock and finally, someone who owns only Moto phones......
My point was and is that Moto f'd up their pricing strategy. Separately, they REALLY f'd up the introduction of two important phones... the V600 and the Mpx220.
All I am saying is that if Moto had taken a different approach to the pricing and promotion of the V3 they may have generated so much more goodwill and positive brand awareness that they could have ridden that success for years. Putting the V3 at a rather exclusionary pricepoint right after major mainstream phone failures is a mistake in my opinion.
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I totally agree with your observations.
I really, sincerely hope that Moto does well with this phone and springs off the technology and tooling to create new, better, cheaper, different phones that perform as well or better.
I do love mine. I also finally have a "good" Mpx220 that I absolutely Love.
I also just picked up a Treo 600 for work so I can tap into my company's email system when away from work. At least they paid for the equipment and all service on that one 😉
I am a Phone Junkie!!!!!!!!
Happy Holidays!