Motorola V810
helllooooo Moto?
Here is a perfect example of what happens when you take waaay too long to release a product. People lose interest. No updates or requests for info in HOW LONG?? I could care less about this phone as well now after all this time. I sure hope some Verizon/Moto reps read these boards and see how costly these delays can be for them. This phone could have been FLYING off the shelves for what, SIX MONTHS NOW?? Now if this thing is even released at all, I predict a very luke warm reception especially when it is compared with the superior phones released by other providers.
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As true as you are when it comes with the fact that people are not going to want it as much, VZW still has the best coverage, and as much as people hate the fact that the phones are cryptic, they still stay with them, because the phone is simply a tool to many. So obviously they could have sold more phones, but people are not about to switch providers because of the phones. What other provider has better service? Sprint is catching up, but is still no where near them. The rest, at the time, are a joke when it comes to getting service. I live 30 min out side the city, I should have perfect reception, I do, and my friends do not most of the time.
Bottom line, True that the phones will not sell as well, but people are not about to s...
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Bottom line, True that the phones will not sell as well, but people are not about to s...
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I completely agree with you regarding Verizon's coverage being currently the best. But I was referring to lost revenue that they are missing out on from existing customers. Oh, I and I promiss you, if Verizon continues to lag behind in product releases, they most certainly will lose customers. I keep hearing the same thing regarding VZN, coverage, coverage, coverage. While they are sitting on their respective laurels touting coverage and doing nothing else. Their competition is catching up and they are missing out on generating revenue which could be used to even better their service such as implementing 3G faster. If you think that the newer phones and the revenue generated from the bandwidth required to use their advanced features is...
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VZN will continue to lose revenue and market share unless they fix the introduction and selection of new phones.
Cellular companies generate revenue in two ways: Monthly customer charges for service and new customers. The US market is getting saturated so increasing revenue through signing up new customers is getting more and more difficult. However, new customers don't compare coverage except in general terms and usually by asking the CSR, "Will I be able to use this at my home (office, road, etc.)." All CSR's say "yes" so the coverage issue never becomes an issue until after the fact.
Existing customers (and new ones fall into this category as soon as they activate and start using their phone) start to understand the nuances of f...
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Cellular companies generate revenue in two ways: Monthly customer charges for service and new customers. The US market is getting saturated so increasing revenue through signing up new customers is getting more and more difficult. However, new customers don't compare coverage except in general terms and usually by asking the CSR, "Will I be able to use this at my home (office, road, etc.)." All CSR's say "yes" so the coverage issue never becomes an issue until after the fact.
Existing customers (and new ones fall into this category as soon as they activate and start using their phone) start to understand the nuances of f...
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How long do you think it will take the other companies to get better coverage. Until that happens, VZW will rule the wireless world. Also, I am glad to see them experimenting with CDMA/GSM phones. If you think about the whole picture...
Vodafone is VZW's parent company. Vodafone is GSM. So it the rest of the world for the most part. So, if GSM is implemented into all the phones, with still the CDMA feature, the problem of any service depleted area can more or less be solved. Granted that would be to easy for any large company, but just my 2 cents.
Vodafone is VZW's parent company. Vodafone is GSM. So it the rest of the world for the most part. So, if GSM is implemented into all the phones, with still the CDMA feature, the problem of any service depleted area can more or less be solved. Granted that would be to easy for any large company, but just my 2 cents.
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" So, if GSM is implemented into all the phones, with still the CDMA feature, the problem of any service depleted area can more or less be solved."
--problem is, Verizon is still using CDMA towers. GSM phones are great, but they wont work on a VZN network, so If I am reading you right, when GSM/CDMA phones come out, OTHER providers with their NEWER phones will be able to use verizons network coverage while at the same time VZN will STILL have crappy phones. Sounds like a slam dunk into the toilet for VZN at that point.
--problem is, Verizon is still using CDMA towers. GSM phones are great, but they wont work on a VZN network, so If I am reading you right, when GSM/CDMA phones come out, OTHER providers with their NEWER phones will be able to use verizons network coverage while at the same time VZN will STILL have crappy phones. Sounds like a slam dunk into the toilet for VZN at that point.
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Providing that the other carriers have CDMA/GSM phones. And I am talking about VZW phones, using the GSM networks of other providers, as the form of "extended network" more or less. As in for the Moto T720, you can switch from Auto A to Auto B and Home Only, instead you may have CDMA, subgroup, Auto A, Auto B, Home Only--GSM as another choice.
This would be ideal, and I think this is what the A790 is trying to do, but I do not know the interface or how the GSM/CDMA functions will work.
This would be ideal, and I think this is what the A790 is trying to do, but I do not know the interface or how the GSM/CDMA functions will work.
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oh, I forgot to answer that other question regarding how long it would take for other providers to catch up...
in LA, T-mobile is first in recetion followed by ATT then Verizon.
in NYC, ATT followed by T-Mo then VZN.
I really think that VZN has the most potential to be the best carrier but being number one has made them lazy and too proud(as well as many VZN customers) to realize that they are losing their grip on what the customers want and need while the competition is still hungry and still trying to be the best.
I only hope that VZN and MOTO read these boards and that VZN customers can wake up from the "were number one" nap they have been taking so they can see the decline in service and let VZN know what many of us already h...
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in LA, T-mobile is first in recetion followed by ATT then Verizon.
in NYC, ATT followed by T-Mo then VZN.
I really think that VZN has the most potential to be the best carrier but being number one has made them lazy and too proud(as well as many VZN customers) to realize that they are losing their grip on what the customers want and need while the competition is still hungry and still trying to be the best.
I only hope that VZN and MOTO read these boards and that VZN customers can wake up from the "were number one" nap they have been taking so they can see the decline in service and let VZN know what many of us already h...
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I have said this in other forums and many do not agree but I still feel that the wireless companies do not make money on the selling of phones (in fact they probably lose money on them). They make their money on the services, the monthly bills we all pay. I think they should just give the phones away for free (they almost end up that way anyway - if we only wait a bit - look at the LG 6000 which I think is a great phone - originally I bought it for $159, I think I saw it now for $59). It is the price for minutes and coverage which attract customers (at least those in know) not the fancy phones, with all these beeps and whistles (I have not used the camera on my phone in months and the ringtones - I have settled on one that sounds somewhat...
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I totally agree that most users only use their phones as tools (in AMERICA) as we are behind, the phones SUCK and are OUTDATED and we have not pushed for 3G fast enough. As far as revenue goes, the REAL money is in bandwidth usage and it is totally untapped right now because our phone companies suck. When we get DSL (1Mb) speeds on our cell phones and the form factors are more user friendly to check email, watch tv, transfer word and excel documents and normal sized files and entire cities become giant high speed wireless zones, we will all have phones that do much more than talk. Remember, it wasnt that long ago that people didnt even use cell phones (as tools) except in emergencies or just kept them in the glove boxes of their cars. No...
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here is a perfect example of how these "gadgets" are the future, imagine a cell phone with GPS in it, and highspeed internet. You can pull up mapquest and use it like a car navigation system to find places, and can tell you where the nearest ,movie theatres, police stations, hospitals are, and not only connect you to them, show you menus and listings, but direct you there based on your current position as well as have a permanent weather station always centered around the location of your phone telling you if you are heading into inclement weather or good weather. I actually believe the new video and camera phones will cut down on crime because EVERYONE will have a camera to record crime on them at all times. It is going to get harder to ...
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You're probably right on bandwidth but I'll disagree on the US being "way behind" on how we use our mobile phones. Agreed we use them differently than in Europe and Asia. I've seen a young couple SMS'ing each other on a subway in Hong Kong and they were three feet apart!
We use mobile phones as phones and nothing more. That doesn't mean we are behind, ahead, or really anything other than that is our culture. Personally, I think its because we had more access to the internet than most of Europe and Asia a few years ago, and mobile phones gave them similar access to communicate. I think the pricing also supported this difference in culture. In the UK, for example, SMS messages are free or nearly so while minutes in calling cost bucks ...
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We use mobile phones as phones and nothing more. That doesn't mean we are behind, ahead, or really anything other than that is our culture. Personally, I think its because we had more access to the internet than most of Europe and Asia a few years ago, and mobile phones gave them similar access to communicate. I think the pricing also supported this difference in culture. In the UK, for example, SMS messages are free or nearly so while minutes in calling cost bucks ...
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half my company has the color blackberry RIM from ATT (just fyi)
and the challenge to increase revenue is solved by giving the consuer useful features that they can be charged for using bandwidth which requires the use of new phones and 3G.
and the challenge to increase revenue is solved by giving the consuer useful features that they can be charged for using bandwidth which requires the use of new phones and 3G.
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Can you image talking to someone on you cell, but not only are you talking but your seeing them in streaming video...that will be the bomb ****.
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I believe sony ericson already has a phone that does that, the z1010. It has 2 cams, one for taking pix, and one just under the screen you look at that points at you so you can do conference callling. The interface sort of looks like netmeeting with a pic of who you are talking to with a tiny pic of you up in the corner. Its GSM I believe and is meant to be used on a 3G network, so we need to move to Europe or Asia to use one.
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Sony has a phone, the z1010 that does just that. Has 2 cams, a video/still on the outside and a small one located just under the main display so when you are watching streaming video on it, it streams you back out using it. Kind of like how netmeeting is set up with the picture of the person you are talking to and then a small one of you in the upper right corner. Its GSM and requires a 3G network (UMTS) so we have to move to ASIA or EUROPE to use one.
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Agreed on your VZW getting lazy and they are #1, but what you need to answer, is how long will it take for the other providers to acheive the coverage that VZW has. When that happens, like you said, VZW is slam dunk in the toliet bowl. But until they, they more or less have the better part of the US wrapped around their fingers. (Me included)
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circuslove said:
" So, if GSM is implemented into all the phones, with still the CDMA feature, the problem of any service depleted area can more or less be solved."
--problem is, Verizon is still using CDMA towers. GSM phones are great, but they wont work on a VZN network, so If I am reading you right, when GSM/CDMA phones come out, OTHER providers with their NEWER phones will be able to use verizons network coverage while at the same time VZN will STILL have crappy phones. Sounds like a slam dunk into the toilet for VZN at that point.
I think that alot of you guys are missing the point on a CDMA/GSM phone...these phones will absolutely not be able to roam on different networks in the USA...For ex. A...
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You either didnt read my post, or do not completely understand the point I am making, or both.
EXTENDED NETWORK--this means that the airwaves of the phone, are piggy backing on another service. Thus, if a NZW phone is in GSM mode, it will pick up the GSM line of other companies, by using the EXTENDED NETWORK. Hopefully you have unlimited minitues of this is you need to use it, otherwise it may cost you a fortune, but the GSM feature does pick up on the other providers network.
As you stated however, the real purpose is to be used in sync with Vodafone in Europe.
EXTENDED NETWORK--this means that the airwaves of the phone, are piggy backing on another service. Thus, if a NZW phone is in GSM mode, it will pick up the GSM line of other companies, by using the EXTENDED NETWORK. Hopefully you have unlimited minitues of this is you need to use it, otherwise it may cost you a fortune, but the GSM feature does pick up on the other providers network.
As you stated however, the real purpose is to be used in sync with Vodafone in Europe.
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Sorry for the error:
"Thus, if a NZW phone is in GSM mode"
I meant
"Thus, if a VZW phone is in GSM mode"
"Thus, if a NZW phone is in GSM mode"
I meant
"Thus, if a VZW phone is in GSM mode"
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i read ur forum and i still mean what i say: What you are saying is that the VZW phones will be able to roam onto the GSM network in the USA...right?
Extended network: no extra charges just cant use all the features (mostly data)
ROAM: however means you use OTHER carrier's towers in order to maximize coverage...
These phones will not be able to be used as an "extended network" nor for "roaming" onto other GSM networks in the USA
If my reply still doesnt make sense to you...then i dont know WHAT you mean...
Extended network: no extra charges just cant use all the features (mostly data)
ROAM: however means you use OTHER carrier's towers in order to maximize coverage...
These phones will not be able to be used as an "extended network" nor for "roaming" onto other GSM networks in the USA
If my reply still doesnt make sense to you...then i dont know WHAT you mean...
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I am sorry for mixing the "extended network" features and the roaming up. Your reply makes sense, just the modification I have, is that:
ROAM: however means you use OTHER carrier's towers in order to maximize coverage...
VZW will use other companies towers as the GSM towers, or at least they should. Or for that matter, why not put some GSM capabilities on their CDMA towers. Then the theory of using other towers to maximize reception would work beautifully, and the VZW network would more or less be unstoppable.
Any views on this theory are welcome.
ROAM: however means you use OTHER carrier's towers in order to maximize coverage...
VZW will use other companies towers as the GSM towers, or at least they should. Or for that matter, why not put some GSM capabilities on their CDMA towers. Then the theory of using other towers to maximize reception would work beautifully, and the VZW network would more or less be unstoppable.
Any views on this theory are welcome.
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Im not sure what you mean by "GSM capabilities on their CDMA towers"
Furthermore, i know it sounds like a great idea--roaming onto GSM towers, but Verizon will not do it. The phones will strictly be made for ONLY international roaming...
there's nothing more to be said thats how its going to be...unfortunately. But on the positive note...it's better than nothing. These phones are going to produce huge revenue and more commerce to Verizon, allowing frequent travelers to, well, travel.
Furthermore, i know it sounds like a great idea--roaming onto GSM towers, but Verizon will not do it. The phones will strictly be made for ONLY international roaming...
there's nothing more to be said thats how its going to be...unfortunately. But on the positive note...it's better than nothing. These phones are going to produce huge revenue and more commerce to Verizon, allowing frequent travelers to, well, travel.
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"I chose T-mobile and was going to switch to VZN because my coverage was poor at my home out in the burbs but very clear in the city. I upgraded to a NEWER phone with better reception and problem solved (and a lost VZN customer was created.) I think VZN is a top notch provider and would like to see them stay the best but also stay current and then I would switch to them."
I agree,
Although I don't know yet who will be my service provider I hope I get the same result as you.
BETTER RECEPTION!!!
I agree,
Although I don't know yet who will be my service provider I hope I get the same result as you.
BETTER RECEPTION!!!
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The phone does matter on the reception, but only to an extent. As much as it does, and beleive me, it does, matter about the phone, it is the software that gets the better reception for you, and the better battery life.
Next thing, for all those who want to move from their carrier to another with better service, as crappy as VZW's phones are now, mind the fact that by the end of the summer, these phones will be at VZW:
A670, A790, V810, VX7000, CDM9900, A690, V710, and possibly the A650.
Hmmmm, it seems to me, that it is a pretty good line up, and they are more or less restocking their phone inventory. They will keep the T730, A610, VX6000, VX4500, and Slider, besides those, you may say bye to the ones you see in the stores now....
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Next thing, for all those who want to move from their carrier to another with better service, as crappy as VZW's phones are now, mind the fact that by the end of the summer, these phones will be at VZW:
A670, A790, V810, VX7000, CDM9900, A690, V710, and possibly the A650.
Hmmmm, it seems to me, that it is a pretty good line up, and they are more or less restocking their phone inventory. They will keep the T730, A610, VX6000, VX4500, and Slider, besides those, you may say bye to the ones you see in the stores now....
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I am guessing on this, but I would bet that by the time VZN gets last years phones out this summer (oh, and I hope your not holding your breath) that the competition will be releasing their new line up as well. The new LG VX8000 phone is the only really globally competitive device I see in their pipeline at this point, and based on VZN's past record, we prolly wont see that until this time next year and by then it really wont be that impressive (e.g. the amazing v810 camera phone we are going to be wowed by later this summer.)
I think that my situation regarding better reception was a combination of 2 things, T-mo improving/adding towers for coverage and a newer phone with a more sensitive reciever. Either way, I credit both of them to T...
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I think that my situation regarding better reception was a combination of 2 things, T-mo improving/adding towers for coverage and a newer phone with a more sensitive reciever. Either way, I credit both of them to T...
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Well I'm going to wait to see which phones are going to be released.But not too long because now I'm stuck without a phone.
I would love to have a Motorola phone with Verizon, but I will wait and if it's worth it I'll go back, if not I'll go to another one.
I would love to have a Motorola phone with Verizon, but I will wait and if it's worth it I'll go back, if not I'll go to another one.
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"VZW still has the best coverage, and as much as people hate the fact that the phones are cryptic, they still stay with them"
Actually I was told that the phone matters, AND A LOT!.
I was a Verizon customer until 2 days ago when I got fed up with the Samsung's A-310 poor reception.
My brother has the T-Mobile sidekick and his coverage was better than mine.
In my school people with T-Mobile had better reception than me!!! And they only pay $39.99 for 600 min, while I'm stuck with only 400 NO WAY
I read in another forum that AT&T "is putting antennas in the train stations so people can talk while commuting" I don't know, but hey that sounds great,
I was patiently waiting for the V810 because I though it would end my reception nightmare...
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Actually I was told that the phone matters, AND A LOT!.
I was a Verizon customer until 2 days ago when I got fed up with the Samsung's A-310 poor reception.
My brother has the T-Mobile sidekick and his coverage was better than mine.
In my school people with T-Mobile had better reception than me!!! And they only pay $39.99 for 600 min, while I'm stuck with only 400 NO WAY
I read in another forum that AT&T "is putting antennas in the train stations so people can talk while commuting" I don't know, but hey that sounds great,
I was patiently waiting for the V810 because I though it would end my reception nightmare...
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Its about time AT&T considered putting antennas in the train stations, 'cause Verizon did that a LONG TIME AGO! And Verizon is negotiating with NYC to install wiring that will allow customers to use their phone ON THE SUBWAY. That may be a little annoying but all in all, in the NY tri-state area, AT&T GSM is not at all impressive. I've been an AT&T customer for at least 8 years and regret the day I migrated from TDMA to GSM!
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Are you still with AT&T? 8 years seems to be a really long time for you to to swith back. Maybe I'm misunderstanding you.
Like I said before I'm not sure about the AT&T antenna's thing, I read it in another forum.I heard good and bad things about them. Mostly bad.
What annoys me is watching my phone say " No service" when I see people with other T-Mobile or any other carrier chatting away, happily!!!
When I'm paying more for my service than they are, supposedly for the best coverage.
So I think phones do matter and many people have told me that as well.
Plus Verizon's current phones are crappy. so when I saw the V 810 I got my hopes up, but now it has been too long.
I got fed up with it, so I left Verizon.
Like I said before I'm not sure about the AT&T antenna's thing, I read it in another forum.I heard good and bad things about them. Mostly bad.
What annoys me is watching my phone say " No service" when I see people with other T-Mobile or any other carrier chatting away, happily!!!
When I'm paying more for my service than they are, supposedly for the best coverage.
So I think phones do matter and many people have told me that as well.
Plus Verizon's current phones are crappy. so when I saw the V 810 I got my hopes up, but now it has been too long.
I got fed up with it, so I left Verizon.
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All I know is that I am anxious to port away from AT&T GSM to Verizon and am waiting for this phone to launch in order to take advantage of "new activation" pricing. I was actually looking forward to this phone back when they planned the Q4/2003 release and was prepared to pay the ETF to port to Verizon immediately. This is really frustrating waiting for this friggin phone, but I've noticed that the suite of phones available at Verizon has remained stagnant for quite some time now, the only other phone I would remotely consider is that LG camera phone, but even that phone is slated to be replaced with an upgraded model. I am hopeful that once this phone is launched (IF it is launched) there will be absolutely NO BUGS with it. Having surv...
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