LG Voyager VX-10000
Truly a Joke
I am a long time VZW customer. I've held off on an iPhone for the all the usual reasons - network, changing systems, contract, friends on VZW, etc.
I went to the store on Friday and played with the Voyager before I make a decision on the iPhone...The voyager is cute and a joke. No synching, lousy browser and a staff who knew far less than I did. Perfect for a kid
If you read the public comments of Verizon execs I hope you are not a stock holder. Unbelievable morons. No other word to describe it.
It's really sad, but typical, that this was the best VZW could do, but to have the nerve to stand up in public and say this is an iPhone killer (even with its imperfections) is an insult to any one with a brain. It's incredibly typical of...
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I went to the store on Friday and played with the Voyager before I make a decision on the iPhone...The voyager is cute and a joke. No synching, lousy browser and a staff who knew far less than I did. Perfect for a kid
If you read the public comments of Verizon execs I hope you are not a stock holder. Unbelievable morons. No other word to describe it.
It's really sad, but typical, that this was the best VZW could do, but to have the nerve to stand up in public and say this is an iPhone killer (even with its imperfections) is an insult to any one with a brain. It's incredibly typical of...
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A troll with an axe to grind. Here's a post from Michaele from another phonescoop forum back in August:
--michaele said: "Here's hoping that Apple and the iPhone forces Verizon and other compnaies into a position where they can't dictate the features on every device."
--michaele said: "Here's hoping that Apple and the iPhone forces Verizon and other compnaies into a position where they can't dictate the features on every device."
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Maybe you're the troll 😲
I agree
POOR response by verizon!
Not even close to the Iphone and as always the simple response is to call someone a TROLL
Shame on you.....
The next several days will show that the origial post was accurate....
A VERY poor offering by Verizon and I am a true and loyal customer.
Cmon people, if your into a mediamedia device, this is OK, at best.
The only thing that stops me from leaving Verizon is ATT service.
So, let your wrath begin, but I truly don't care.
I know what I need, who I am and what the Voyager ISN'T!
I agree
POOR response by verizon!
Not even close to the Iphone and as always the simple response is to call someone a TROLL
Shame on you.....
The next several days will show that the origial post was accurate....
A VERY poor offering by Verizon and I am a true and loyal customer.
Cmon people, if your into a mediamedia device, this is OK, at best.
The only thing that stops me from leaving Verizon is ATT service.
So, let your wrath begin, but I truly don't care.
I know what I need, who I am and what the Voyager ISN'T!
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Well you're not exactly helping out the situation now are you? hahah OK yes i would also consider the person a troll or a person who can't speak one nice thing for the Voyager. If you don't have anything positive or remotely positive to say about something, then DON'T Say it. Yes, I know this forum is a place for opinions, but only to a degree. Don't expect to be liked by the majority of people on this forum like myself if you outwardly just BASH a phone. I myself can't wait to buy the Voyager. If you honestly don't like it that much, then buy another phone. I gurarantee you that if you switch carriers, you WILl wind up coming back to Verizon because they do have the most reliable network in the country.
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The only "fact" was the claim that there is no sync, which is not true - the verizon wireless sync is available for this phone, and third party sync solutions are or will be available. Whether the browser is to your liking is personal preference, but in terms of the service, the browser works quite well, something a few minutes on the floor with a demo system won't tell. Everything else was a pointless rant.
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Brucie, how much a month for VZW wireless synch? And we all know it is spotty and rarely works as it should.
Interesting that you define what I said as a pointless rant.
I wasn't expecting "positive" comments, but immature name calling from people is a little much. A forum is a place to exchange opinions, not just opinions that you agree with.
Is the iPhone perfect? Far from it. No GPS, 2G internet, no voice dialing among its short comings. But for a business user who needs multimedia features and ease of use it ranks much higher on my list than the Voyager does. It is also much less expensive to operate than the Voyager. You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if t...
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Interesting that you define what I said as a pointless rant.
I wasn't expecting "positive" comments, but immature name calling from people is a little much. A forum is a place to exchange opinions, not just opinions that you agree with.
Is the iPhone perfect? Far from it. No GPS, 2G internet, no voice dialing among its short comings. But for a business user who needs multimedia features and ease of use it ranks much higher on my list than the Voyager does. It is also much less expensive to operate than the Voyager. You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if t...
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Pointless rant, and incorrect info. Sync is available for the phone, and you said it wasn't. It's $20/month and always has been. Bitpim is free if you don't like Verizon's offering (existing profiles work with many functions and the voyager will be fully supported soon). I'm not sure what "we" all know about wireless sync not working. Wireless sync is working fine for the people I know using it. Most of your diatribe has to do with verizon policies, pricing, management, and your personal frustrations with the company. So, buy an iphone if you like it better. Don't go into a forum, state facts that turn out not to be correct, rail against vague management issues and personal complaints and expect not to get called on it.
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No built in synch capabilities - another $20 a month. All professional reviews say VZW wireless synch doesn't work/is buggy.
If you read the rest of what I said you would see that I said if the phone works for you that is good. You should enjoy it and worship it. It doesn't for me and all the pointless name calling and moronic comments that are personal attacks make hard to take the legitimate points you may make for real.
To some extent this whole thing seems more like it is about Apple hating than anything else.
If you read the rest of what I said you would see that I said if the phone works for you that is good. You should enjoy it and worship it. It doesn't for me and all the pointless name calling and moronic comments that are personal attacks make hard to take the legitimate points you may make for real.
To some extent this whole thing seems more like it is about Apple hating than anything else.
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re If you read the rest of what I said you would see that I said if the phone works for you that is good.
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hey man, I appreciate your comments. I am a corporate phone geek and I see your points quite clearly as I share them as well. The voyager is an attempt at a certain demographic; a demographic that I believe will be majority age 25 and below. On the other hand, even with the Iphones 2g network it still satisfies the desires of the phone that can do email, movies, music, maps, etc. Really, that is what a lot of corp geeks were looking for.
Neither phone is perfect to say the least but it will satisfy us until the next so called $500 killer phone comes out.
About the wireless sync from Verizon. If it is the same as the env it will alow you set up sync for every hour at the least with no attachments. nuff said.
Neither phone is perfect to say the least but it will satisfy us until the next so called $500 killer phone comes out.
About the wireless sync from Verizon. If it is the same as the env it will alow you set up sync for every hour at the least with no attachments. nuff said.
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Instead of saying you disagreed with me you choose to call me names and attack me personally.
So I am supposed to give you respect and engage in a meaningful exchange of opinions with people like you and dream boy or whatever his name is?
So I am supposed to give you respect and engage in a meaningful exchange of opinions with people like you and dream boy or whatever his name is?
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Hey, aren't we all here to help each other out...
Why can't we just get along!!!!
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Now, while this is the best non PDA phone out, it does show that Verizon is holding onto their old mode of locking phones down, making us not really have a great phone.
While note a PDA, the phone should do a better job and actually work in some for on the following 2 items
1. Syncing exchange does 'suck' as we should be able to do this without any plan
2 Syncing should include more of the actual data in contacts and meetings.
Email - not even going there as that is truely a PDA feature.
Other pet issue with this phone... For more than $300, it should allow some software to be installed.
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Why can't we just get along!!!!
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Now, while this is the best non PDA phone out, it does show that Verizon is holding onto their old mode of locking phones down, making us not really have a great phone.
While note a PDA, the phone should do a better job and actually work in some for on the following 2 items
1. Syncing exchange does 'suck' as we should be able to do this without any plan
2 Syncing should include more of the actual data in contacts and meetings.
Email - not even going there as that is truely a PDA feature.
Other pet issue with this phone... For more than $300, it should allow some software to be installed.
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It will be interesting to see how much they charge for the privilege and what the caveats will be. You can bet all of our sweet asses there will be big catches involved.
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At least he's getting more honest about it. His latest is, "Don't tell me you're going to take the bait I just dangled." Hard to shake the troll label when you publicly post that you're dangling bait. But at this point, I suspect he's helped sell more voyagers than most verizon reps, just to spite him. Hard to believe it's just a phone from this thread.
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People like you make it fun. I could care less how a bunch of name calling children refer to me.
Did you know that I really work for Verizon and just did this whole thing to fire up you guys and get people to buy VZW phones and services?
Did you know that I really work for Verizon and just did this whole thing to fire up you guys and get people to buy VZW phones and services?
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I see the verizon 6800 is out today. Very cool phone. You should consider going over there and trashing it.
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haha. You do realize that the newer version to the 6800 (The Tilt) is already out on at&t. Why is Verizon so behind the times?
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Yes, read all about how happy people are with it (and the pricing plans) in the ATT Tilt forum. You should go over there and set them all straight.
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are you saying the data plans are more expensive? 6800 will be at least $40 a month too.
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Well, I'm certainly not going to waste this forum's time trashing another phone, and you have a few things to learn about the phone capabilities and how they're being charged. So, you and Micheale should definitely go visit ATT's tilt forum for a while, they need you.
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oh Bruce, I don't want either phone! I was just pointing out that the 6800 is old news dogg.
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No, it's new news for verizon. You need to go over to that forum and spend a lot of time setting people straight on it.
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The name calling is so inspiring and such a display of maturity.
Moni19 - hoping on the name calling bandwagon with brucefulton? Nice, try thinking for yourself.
brucefulton - nice. Did you get your mommy's login to sign on and come up with that original response regarding me being a troll. How about just respecting someone's opinion that is in disagreement with yours? Oops! I forgot, that's what mature people do.
And your quoting my post from August is to demonstrate what? That you know how to do that? You see something contradictory in that?
Moni19 - hoping on the name calling bandwagon with brucefulton? Nice, try thinking for yourself.
brucefulton - nice. Did you get your mommy's login to sign on and come up with that original response regarding me being a troll. How about just respecting someone's opinion that is in disagreement with yours? Oops! I forgot, that's what mature people do.
And your quoting my post from August is to demonstrate what? That you know how to do that? You see something contradictory in that?
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re: The name calling is so inspiring and such a display of maturity.
Your top post: If you read the public comments of Verizon execs I hope you are not a stock holder. Unbelievable morons. No other word to describe it.
Hmm.
Your top post: If you read the public comments of Verizon execs I hope you are not a stock holder. Unbelievable morons. No other word to describe it.
Hmm.
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Dear Brucie,
Making a comment about Verizon execs re their public statements is not in the same category as people name calling another forum participant.
Rather shocking (then again not) that you would liken that part of my top post to the lack of maturity displayed by some of the participants here. Did you know that someone on this forum is creating false profiles and pretending to be me? How's that for grown up behavior?
Making a comment about Verizon execs re their public statements is not in the same category as people name calling another forum participant.
Rather shocking (then again not) that you would liken that part of my top post to the lack of maturity displayed by some of the participants here. Did you know that someone on this forum is creating false profiles and pretending to be me? How's that for grown up behavior?
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I've been a loyal VZW customer since it was Metro Mobile in the northeast and still am. And you? Probably a passionate Apple hater who thinks Windows is the best OS ever written.
I'm just horribly disappointed in VZW, but then again I guess I am the fool for expecting something different from them.
I've been a loyal VZW customer since it was Metro Mobile in the northeast and still am. And you? Probably a passionate Apple hater who thinks Windows is the best OS ever written.
I'm just horribly disappointed in VZW, but then again I guess I am the fool for expecting something different from them.
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michaele is actually an Apple employee. Gets paid to persuade people to move away from the Voyager and onto the Iphone. I worked for a cell company once and they wanted me post negatives about their competitor. I ended up quitting it was BS. So michaele don't even bother to respond and try and prove your not an Apple employee cause you are. Whatever you say will be ignored. The joke is actually you 😁
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I confess! I am really Steve Jobs masquerading as Michaele on Phone Scoop.
Was it that easy for you to figure out who I really was?
Another mature brilliant well thought out response from someone who can't respect a difference of opinion.
Was it that easy for you to figure out who I really was?
Another mature brilliant well thought out response from someone who can't respect a difference of opinion.
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Not to sound immature here, but seriously as i sasid in my previous post to you, don't expect to get positive comments when you outwardly bash the Voyager in a Voyager specific forum. I personally disagree with you and IF you are an Apple employee let me tell you something, the iPHone isn't all that it's cracked up to be. It is a nice device HOWEVER there are other nicer devices out there.
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I wasn't expecting "positive" comments, but immature name calling is a little much. A forum is a place to exchange opinions, not just opinions that you agree with.
Is the iPhone perfect? Far from it. No GPS, 2G internet, no voice dialing among its short comings. But for a business user who needs multimedia features and ease of use it ranks much higher on my list than the Voyager does. It is also much less expensive to operate than the Voyager. You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack a...
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Is the iPhone perfect? Far from it. No GPS, 2G internet, no voice dialing among its short comings. But for a business user who needs multimedia features and ease of use it ranks much higher on my list than the Voyager does. It is also much less expensive to operate than the Voyager. You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack a...
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I have a question about this statement, "You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack at the iphone) fugheddaboutit, we want to screw people out of every last dime we can and we are bigger than you, the customer and everyone else."
What does Verizon offer with the Voyager, that the Iphone offers for free? Only thing that I know of is Wireless Sync, but that is not just syncing with outlook, it includes Corporate Exchange syncing, which the Iphone doesn't do. So what else would you be talk...
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What does Verizon offer with the Voyager, that the Iphone offers for free? Only thing that I know of is Wireless Sync, but that is not just syncing with outlook, it includes Corporate Exchange syncing, which the Iphone doesn't do. So what else would you be talk...
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I have a question about this statement, "You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack at the iphone) fugheddaboutit, we want to screw people out of every last dime we can and we are bigger than you, the customer and everyone else."
What does Verizon offer with the Voyager, that the Iphone offers for free? Only thing that I know of is Wireless Sync, but that is not just syncing with outlook, it includes Corporate Exchange syncing, which the Iphone doesn't do.
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I never called the Iphone a pda. If you read what I posted, I called it a smartphone. It actually has a computer-based O/S from Apple on it. Experts also categorize the Iphone as a smartphone, http://www.consumersearch.com/www/computers/s martphones/index.html
And various other websites. It is also a smartphone in that it will be opened up for added 3rd party apps according to Steve Jobs.
And various other websites. It is also a smartphone in that it will be opened up for added 3rd party apps according to Steve Jobs.
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Well ok then. I mean i think of smartphones as PDA's which can do business types of emails and other advanced wireless sync operations. That's all.
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Nice move adding the phony profile. You forgot that an IP address can't be hidden unless you go through a proxy server. I suggest you lay off creating phony profiles to harass people. Could get you banned from phone scoop and any other sites where you do the same garbage.
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re: I'm just horribly disappointed in VZW, but then again I guess I am the fool for expecting something different from them.
Ok, find the horribly-disappointed-in-VZW forum. This is the Voyager forum. It is offered by Verizon, so we can assume from the start that Verizon pricing plans, policies, features and so on apply to Voyager.
Did you think that Verizon would release Voyager and unroll a whole new plan just for Voyager that would address all your problems with Verizon?
If you have something to say about Voyager (based on ownership or intimate personal knowledge as opposed to a few minutes in the store with a demo), by all means post.
If you just want to rant, buy an iPhone and spare us all.
Ok, find the horribly-disappointed-in-VZW forum. This is the Voyager forum. It is offered by Verizon, so we can assume from the start that Verizon pricing plans, policies, features and so on apply to Voyager.
Did you think that Verizon would release Voyager and unroll a whole new plan just for Voyager that would address all your problems with Verizon?
If you have something to say about Voyager (based on ownership or intimate personal knowledge as opposed to a few minutes in the store with a demo), by all means post.
If you just want to rant, buy an iPhone and spare us all.
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He's right. Verizon is ridiculous, they have a great network and so much potential but they continue to either pass on great equipment(iphone) or wait too long for great equipment(pearl).
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I was under the impression that they passed on the iPhone because apple (jobs) wanted to control everything about the device. 👀
Verizon is not like that, as we all know, they like to customize what they get from manufacturers a little bit so it will be easier for VZW reps to fix, work on, understand,.. whatever. (ie: vzw UI) Also, (and I don't condone this or anything) they "cripple" some of the features (sending .mp3's, pics over BT, etc...) 👀
and this is something that get's people mad, and allows for Trolls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll »
like this F*g Michaele to have something to complain about. I think he probably just can't afford a Voyager, and he's upset, that's all. 🤣
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Verizon is not like that, as we all know, they like to customize what they get from manufacturers a little bit so it will be easier for VZW reps to fix, work on, understand,.. whatever. (ie: vzw UI) Also, (and I don't condone this or anything) they "cripple" some of the features (sending .mp3's, pics over BT, etc...) 👀
and this is something that get's people mad, and allows for Trolls
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forum_troll »
like this F*g Michaele to have something to complain about. I think he probably just can't afford a Voyager, and he's upset, that's all. 🤣
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I appreciate you are loyal to Verizon but why be loyal to a giant corporation that doesn't care about the individual? I had Verizon for many years, I had the EnV, Treo 700w, various other flip phones, they are pretty good phones but nothing spectacular.
I switched to at&t and I now have the iphone. I am not an Apple honk, I don't have a mac but the iphone is a really amazing device. There is just no way that LG has dropped something comparable to the creative genius that Apple has with ipods, etc. Either way, enjoy your phone but I have had enough phones to know the iphone is the coolest damn thing ever and when #2 comes out it will be even better.
I switched to at&t and I now have the iphone. I am not an Apple honk, I don't have a mac but the iphone is a really amazing device. There is just no way that LG has dropped something comparable to the creative genius that Apple has with ipods, etc. Either way, enjoy your phone but I have had enough phones to know the iphone is the coolest damn thing ever and when #2 comes out it will be even better.
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Please back up your claim that the stupid big V doesn't care about it's customers. I would appreciate that, because I have been with them for a long time and I have never felt that they did me wrong or unfairly charged me. Only totally positive experiences with Verizon, but they are a stupid company. 😎
As for sprint, at&t, cingular, not even a similar experience. All three of these companies have mis-billed me, and there were always random over-charges and other mistakes on the bill. This happened numerous times with each company over the past 8 years. 👀
Don't even get me started on the inconsistency of the GSM network itself, no thanks..😢
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As for sprint, at&t, cingular, not even a similar experience. All three of these companies have mis-billed me, and there were always random over-charges and other mistakes on the bill. This happened numerous times with each company over the past 8 years. 👀
Don't even get me started on the inconsistency of the GSM network itself, no thanks..😢
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Ashaneen,
The problems you cite with the other guys have all been experienced my myself and others with VZW.
I merely came to this forum to express my feelings after testing a Voyager. VZW execs invited the comments by making claims about the Voyager that simply weren't true..."iPhone killer" and the like. My comments regarding the nonphone aspects were all geared and clearly in response to the comments and behavior of VZW's execs and their false bravado regading this product. I am sure many people like it and will enjoy it and get good service from it.
But, when people start with their personal attacks and name calling and establishing false profiles claiming to be me, it's gone a bit far and that is what is going on now.
The problems you cite with the other guys have all been experienced my myself and others with VZW.
I merely came to this forum to express my feelings after testing a Voyager. VZW execs invited the comments by making claims about the Voyager that simply weren't true..."iPhone killer" and the like. My comments regarding the nonphone aspects were all geared and clearly in response to the comments and behavior of VZW's execs and their false bravado regading this product. I am sure many people like it and will enjoy it and get good service from it.
But, when people start with their personal attacks and name calling and establishing false profiles claiming to be me, it's gone a bit far and that is what is going on now.
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Wow, imposters you say. 👀
Well, that does seem a bit immature. I agree with you that you have been unfairly bashed, but your original post seemed like you were trolling a bit to draw up some controversy, because you posted it in a Voyager forum and you are usually gonna' find fans here that aren't going to agree with you. Just lettin' ya' know. 🙄 🙂
I think people should get off this "iPhone killer" statement because it's being taken the wrong way.
Originally, the dumb-ass Vzw exec that used that term was referring to overall sales, not to the phone itself being better than the iPhone, just that it would sell more units. But I don't even see that happening because of all the trendy people that just got the iPhone be...
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Well, that does seem a bit immature. I agree with you that you have been unfairly bashed, but your original post seemed like you were trolling a bit to draw up some controversy, because you posted it in a Voyager forum and you are usually gonna' find fans here that aren't going to agree with you. Just lettin' ya' know. 🙄 🙂
I think people should get off this "iPhone killer" statement because it's being taken the wrong way.
Originally, the dumb-ass Vzw exec that used that term was referring to overall sales, not to the phone itself being better than the iPhone, just that it would sell more units. But I don't even see that happening because of all the trendy people that just got the iPhone be...
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Dude, think about it. You had a good experience that is great, but that doesn't mean they give a sh*t about you. I have had a fine experience with Verizon, I like Verizon, if they had good phones I would still have verizon. But they dont, so I switched. Simple personal preference.
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Okay, I understand that you don't like the company, **** I think many of their (crippling) decisions are lame, but I do feel that they give a Sh*t about their customers, and that they do have good phones.
Why the hostility toward them anyway? Too much Pepsi, and not enough Dew? 👀
Why the hostility toward them anyway? Too much Pepsi, and not enough Dew? 👀
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No beef specifically, I don't love at&t either, given the opportunity I would take advantage of either one. I used to work for Sprint and I saw the way my co-workers treated people, the way customer care treated people, and even the way customers treated me. It's not pretty, I've learned that the companies care about one thing, Money.
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I love it. More personal attacks and name calling. This what you resort to rather than just respect a difference of opinion?
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To those of you who have engaged in good old fashioned debate, thank you.
But to the immature children who come on here and call people names, use obscenities hidden with asteriks and are so very brave when protected by the internet and think they are cute and cool, you demonstrate all that ruins the free exchange of ideas and the kind of thinking/mentality that allows VZW to lead you around like a herd of sheep.
Have your fun and keep attacking people who come here to discuss and agree and disagree.
But to the immature children who come on here and call people names, use obscenities hidden with asteriks and are so very brave when protected by the internet and think they are cute and cool, you demonstrate all that ruins the free exchange of ideas and the kind of thinking/mentality that allows VZW to lead you around like a herd of sheep.
Have your fun and keep attacking people who come here to discuss and agree and disagree.
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I didn't see whether you replied to my post.........
I have a question about this statement, "You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack at the iphone) fugheddaboutit, we want to screw people out of every last dime we can and we are bigger than you, the customer and everyone else."
What does Verizon offer with the Voyager, that the Iphone offers for free? Only thing that I know of is Wireless Sync, but that is not just syncing with outlook, it includes Corporate Exchange syncing, which...
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I have a question about this statement, "You know why? Because Apple said to AT&T and everyone else who had a crack at getting this that if they wanted the iphone they couldn't going to charge extra for this, extra for that and so on. One price, all services included. VZW said in essence (since they, according to rumors, had first crack at the iphone) fugheddaboutit, we want to screw people out of every last dime we can and we are bigger than you, the customer and everyone else."
What does Verizon offer with the Voyager, that the Iphone offers for free? Only thing that I know of is Wireless Sync, but that is not just syncing with outlook, it includes Corporate Exchange syncing, which...
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It was labeled an iphone killer by one of Verizon's executives, that is absurd.
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I agree, but it is not better than or worse than the Iphone imo, they offer some of the same things, and some different things, as was clearly expressed in my post. I'm just waiting for michaele to respond to my post. I'm not one of the ones here ranting and raving, and saying one is the king of kings and the other is a POS. I just found it interesting about her very negative comments about the Voyager as opposed to the Iphone.
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Thats because hes not here to have an intellegent debate about the phones he's here to bash Verizon and hype the I phone. Its obvious since he didnt reply to your comment which makes good observations on both phones. I dont hate the I phone at all and think its a great device but to say that its the better or worse than any other phone is abusrd since everyones phones needs and wants are differnt. Try telling a 70 yr old grandmother that either phone is the phone they want and I'll bet that 7 out of 10 times they'll want somehting w/0 alot of features.
The problem with opiions like his is that he thinks that everyones phone needs are the same as his which they arent...plain and simple.
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The problem with opiions like his is that he thinks that everyones phone needs are the same as his which they arent...plain and simple.
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smittycal, In other posts in this thread I did/have responded to most people's observations and have acknowledged the positives and negatives of both devices and individual preferences.
Problem is the "openminded" people who started name calling, using masked obscenities and two false profiles established to look like they were mine and slander me. Phonescoop management seemed to agree since the profiles were removed as soon as they were brought to their attention.
Perhaps I did jump to hard too fast after a really lousy experience at VZW when I went to check out the Voyager, but I am here participating and not engaging in the incredibly low class infantile behavior that several people have chosen as their MO.
Problem is the "openminded" people who started name calling, using masked obscenities and two false profiles established to look like they were mine and slander me. Phonescoop management seemed to agree since the profiles were removed as soon as they were brought to their attention.
Perhaps I did jump to hard too fast after a really lousy experience at VZW when I went to check out the Voyager, but I am here participating and not engaging in the incredibly low class infantile behavior that several people have chosen as their MO.
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Michaele,
What smittycal was saying was that you noteably didn't respond to either of my 2 postings directed towards you. They weren't bashing or anything like that, but it was obvious that you didn't respond to them, that's what he was saying. Maybe you didn't see them, or just didn't want to respond, but that is ok, this is just a forum lol
What smittycal was saying was that you noteably didn't respond to either of my 2 postings directed towards you. They weren't bashing or anything like that, but it was obvious that you didn't respond to them, that's what he was saying. Maybe you didn't see them, or just didn't want to respond, but that is ok, this is just a forum lol
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Having had the Iphone(7 times), there is no question that the Voyager is just a better overall phone. Does everything well, somethings very well. The Iphone looks pretty and all but if you look at the front screen icons, what is so special? How often can you check the weather, stocks, map? That gets old after ten minutes! The Voyager just blows by the Iphone with voice dialing, wayyyy better texting and has a better speakerphone. The Voyager will even read out your text messages if you are too tired to look at them. As a phone, call quality and such, the Iphone ranks with the worst I have ever used. The bottom line is that you can be all pissed at Verizon for whatever reason but the fact is, they put out a great product in the Voyage...
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Hey Ferndog, good post! Good points as well considerin gthe Voyager is one of the most highly anticipated phones from Verizon this year. yeah there is no PERFECT phone. Nicely said! The Voyager is a very good phone though. My friend had the iPhone not to long ago and there was a defect w/ it and he sent it back to Apple for replacement. Long story short, Apple refuses to fix it for him so I'm not even sure what he's going to do about it. For now, he's using his old Razr. When i used his iPhone in my house in central Jersey, he barely got 1 bar of service however I got 4 bars. Also another good point you mentioned. I'm not sure how many of the customers for the iPhone are business users but I don't think there are a lot so for the iPhone to ...
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I love these stories about "Apple refusing to fix my phone." When I took my phone to a genius a few weeks ago they swapped me out no questions asked. But, I suppose you socialites would go in screaming and yelling and compaining which no one wants to hear. I prefer the polite subtly approach, put yourself in their shoes approach. Silly children.
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Uh you mean you have an iPHone? I'm not complaining just saying what happened to my friend w/ his iPHone. .
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Hahahaha, liar. You love the iphone. PS, if you are too tired to read a text message you must be the laziest person on the planet.
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Hahahaha, liar. You love the iphone. PS, if you are too tired to read a text message you must be the laziest person on the planet.
If the person doesn't love the iPhone maybe they are not like you in that sense. hahahah. Text to speech is pretty cool. I'll ad mit it but I don't use it too often.
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Truly a joke? The joke is the iphone... I've spent extensive time with one because a friend of mine (a mac fan-boy that's getting fed up with dead laptop batteries and poor iphone performance) has one
iphone:
crappy mono speaker, no autofocus, no replaceable battery (this is a must have for most hard users... like.. say "business users" as you've been talking about), no custom applications, no REAL keyboard, no expandable memory, low/shoddy ATT coverage (GSM gets no signal in my house and in many places in my area), improper syncing with .mac mail accounts.. the iphone is just a gizmo for people who want to say they have it all in one device. It's a jack-of-all-trades, yet master at none.
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crappy mono speaker, no autofocus, no replaceable battery (this is a must have for most hard users... like.. say "business users" as you've been talking about), no custom applications, no REAL keyboard, no expandable memory, low/shoddy ATT coverage (GSM gets no signal in my house and in many places in my area), improper syncing with .mac mail accounts.. the iphone is just a gizmo for people who want to say they have it all in one device. It's a jack-of-all-trades, yet master at none.
The Voyager:
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How much do 8gb microsd cards cost? Not free so add that to the cost of the phone. I have free ringers on my iphone and the screen is better. You failed to mention actual e-mail sync options that don't cost an additional $20 per month for your voyager, or the giant size of your phone.
I'm not saying all this just to be anti but your response was so one sided. they both have certain advantages and cool features but I am pretty sure LG has never cornered the MP3 player market with pure genius and creativity. LG never did it for me although the EnV was a nice little text only device. Either way, the iphone hasn't gotten old, the screen never scratches, and I've gotten used to the keyboard so one happy camper here for the most part. I'v...
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I'm not saying all this just to be anti but your response was so one sided. they both have certain advantages and cool features but I am pretty sure LG has never cornered the MP3 player market with pure genius and creativity. LG never did it for me although the EnV was a nice little text only device. Either way, the iphone hasn't gotten old, the screen never scratches, and I've gotten used to the keyboard so one happy camper here for the most part. I'v...
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You're right, the cards aren't cheap. But how often are you going to buy more than one? Oh, that's right, you can't just pop the card out of your phone and put it in your camera or "computer".
The screen is larger, I'll give you that. A larger, more capable bulls-eye for cracks. (Mine doesn't have scratches either.. none of my phones ever have, so congrats on taking care of your stuff.. I do that too.)
E-mail sync options? I just hop on the browser and check my e-mail... the only option I have on my phone besides ringback tones and insurance is a $25/mo. option that gives me unlimited HIGH-SPEED internet (that you can't get, because you don't have that) and mobile broadcast TV (yet another option that you dont' have).
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The screen is larger, I'll give you that. A larger, more capable bulls-eye for cracks. (Mine doesn't have scratches either.. none of my phones ever have, so congrats on taking care of your stuff.. I do that too.)
E-mail sync options? I just hop on the browser and check my e-mail... the only option I have on my phone besides ringback tones and insurance is a $25/mo. option that gives me unlimited HIGH-SPEED internet (that you can't get, because you don't have that) and mobile broadcast TV (yet another option that you dont' have).
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$25? for unlimited TV and internet? Please give a link to where VZW offers that.
Voyager - no built in memory - pay extra
iPhone - 8gb built in - no extra charge...so there goes your analysis re the extra $100.
Ease of use? iPhone hands down
Design attributes - iPhone hands down
Fresh take on phones? - iPhone hands down
Browser quality - iPhone hands down
Execs full of crap and treating customers like indentured servants? VZW hits a homer on this
Re 3rd party apps - Early releases of the SDK have already begun prior to the announced February date. So that is not an issue.
Funny thing is if VZW had the iPhone you all would be busy telling us how it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Voyager - no built in memory - pay extra
iPhone - 8gb built in - no extra charge...so there goes your analysis re the extra $100.
Ease of use? iPhone hands down
Design attributes - iPhone hands down
Fresh take on phones? - iPhone hands down
Browser quality - iPhone hands down
Execs full of crap and treating customers like indentured servants? VZW hits a homer on this
Re 3rd party apps - Early releases of the SDK have already begun prior to the announced February date. So that is not an issue.
Funny thing is if VZW had the iPhone you all would be busy telling us how it is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
All phones have deficiencies...
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$25? for unlimited TV and internet? Please give a link to where VZW offers that.(This is true, and they've had this since Feb/March of this year, as I had it myself, but here's a link....http://products.vzw.com//index.aspx?i d=mobileTV#overview Go to coverages and packages and it will show the vcast Vpak which is the internet, and 8 channels of tv)
Voyager - no built in memory - pay extra
iPhone - 8gb built in - no extra charge...so there goes your analysis re the extra $100.(I concur with this)
Ease of use? iPhone hands down(ease of touch screen, yes Iphone, but Voyager also includes qwerty keyboard which is a huge bonus)
Design attributes - iPhone hands down(I concur, but the Voyager's is not too shabby)
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Voyager - no built in memory - pay extra
iPhone - 8gb built in - no extra charge...so there goes your analysis re the extra $100.(I concur with this)
Ease of use? iPhone hands down(ease of touch screen, yes Iphone, but Voyager also includes qwerty keyboard which is a huge bonus)
Design attributes - iPhone hands down(I concur, but the Voyager's is not too shabby)
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Hey hey now everyone lets all play nicely hehe. lol.l. 😁 Ok in my opinion, the iPhone is an OK phone however I have heard from people that since all of the memory on it is internal, the OS takes up some of that memory leaving the user with not all 8 gigs of memory. With the Voyager, since it's an external memory card, the phone isn't using the memory card for software storage. Oh please, yes an 8 gig memory card is alittle costly because it's brand new but it's a one time cost that's it. Once you own it, you're not paying monthly for it. Don't read too much into that now. For the ease of use, design attributes, and fresh takes on pictures, those are ALL your own opinions. I don't think that many are correct as well. Ease of use? I don...
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Why do you guys keep saying that the 8gb card is only a one time charge like that matters? The iphone only cost me $400 1 effing time, I don't pay $100 every month.
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Unlike the iphone's OS which like i said is said to tkaup some of that 8 gig internal memory you apple people keep on saying about, the Voyagers memory card isn't used up at all by the phones memory. That is my ONLY thing about the memory.
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I know that you like to spout your keyboard off without researching, and I would LOVE to put a link here to show you, but because of how verizon's online store is setup, I can't just put a link. YOU'RE more than welcome to go to http://www.verizonwireless.com and browse through the plans though. Fact of the matter is, I added their new ONLY FOR VOYAGER $25/mo. package that's called "V CAST Mobile TV Select Package" (and it's free for the first month).
Go there, Voice Plans > Nationwide Select > V CAST Mobile TV Select Package and look at the details and price.
Eat it.
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Go there, Voice Plans > Nationwide Select > V CAST Mobile TV Select Package and look at the details and price.
Eat it.
Also, I'll pay for a memory card.. to be able to swap it out at my leasure. And what tech geek doesn't have a handful of 1 or 2 or 4 gig cards lying around for use in ...
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I will not consume any of your nonsense. How much extra is it to use the e-mail application? Like the EnV, $20 more?
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This is one angry dude who once again demonstrates there are people here issues that can't be dealt with on a Phone Scoop forum.
Just as the thread was engaging in good back and forth discussion along comes someone who thinks attacks, name calling and sarcasm will convince people he is right because of course he has to right. He is always right. Never been wrong in his entire life so I guess we should all apologize for having the nerve to have a view different than his and having the ability to express it without calling each other names and telling people to "Eat It".
Can you say immature high schooler yet to grow up?
Just as the thread was engaging in good back and forth discussion along comes someone who thinks attacks, name calling and sarcasm will convince people he is right because of course he has to right. He is always right. Never been wrong in his entire life so I guess we should all apologize for having the nerve to have a view different than his and having the ability to express it without calling each other names and telling people to "Eat It".
Can you say immature high schooler yet to grow up?
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michaele,
Why do you enjoy hanging around the voyager forums when you worship the iPhone? If you like to worship the iPhone then go hang out with your friends on the iPhone forum. The only immature person I have noticed is you.
Why do you enjoy hanging around the voyager forums when you worship the iPhone? If you like to worship the iPhone then go hang out with your friends on the iPhone forum. The only immature person I have noticed is you.
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I guess you are right since engaging in debate with the likes of you and those who think like you is immature.
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neaster, I see you have (to quote you)..
"2 Years Experience in the Wireless Field. Store Manager for a Verizon Wireless Authorized Agent."
That explains your inability to have an open mind and you Apple hating mentality. Probably totally fed up with people coming into your store and saying the Voyager sucks and why isn't it more like an iPhone...Grin
Don't tell me you're going to take the bait I just dangled. Please tell me you are too smart for that!
"2 Years Experience in the Wireless Field. Store Manager for a Verizon Wireless Authorized Agent."
That explains your inability to have an open mind and you Apple hating mentality. Probably totally fed up with people coming into your store and saying the Voyager sucks and why isn't it more like an iPhone...Grin
Don't tell me you're going to take the bait I just dangled. Please tell me you are too smart for that!
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Giant size? It's narrower and lighter then iphone. Granted it's slightly thicker but that's because it has a keyboard that actually works.
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Not everyone needs to text and email feverishly all day long. Once you get the hang of the iphone keyboard it is easy enough. Voyager is a glorified sidekick like the EnV was. Nice for Verizon, really. I bet you a-holes all have ipods and you sit here and spout off about how much you hate Apple. If you don't have an ipod it's because you didn't want to spend the money so you bought some cheap crap mp3 player. The numbers don't lie, the people don't like.
All BS aside, if you were given the opportunity to have an iphone or a voyager on any network for the same price, you'd take the iphone. Don't lie, look deep down, you know you want it. 🙂
All BS aside, if you were given the opportunity to have an iphone or a voyager on any network for the same price, you'd take the iphone. Don't lie, look deep down, you know you want it. 🙂
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nope.. I need a device that can actually play music other than in a silent room.. I need a device with a real keyboard... I need a device with highspeed.. I need a device that has signal in my house... I need a device that comes with great customer service. I need a device that I can change the battery in, I need a device that I can upgrade the memory anytime of anyday.
I have what I need. I have the voyager.
And I don't have any junk. Such as the already stale iphone.
Yeap, I have an ipod.. just as I stated. Because of the wealth of accessories available. I wanted to be able to plug it into my pioneer cd player and have it charge and be able to choose tracks using the cd player alone.
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I have what I need. I have the voyager.
And I don't have any junk. Such as the already stale iphone.
Yeap, I have an ipod.. just as I stated. Because of the wealth of accessories available. I wanted to be able to plug it into my pioneer cd player and have it charge and be able to choose tracks using the cd player alone.
I'll prolly be getting the Zune next time ar...
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I do love starbucks but I drive a Tahoe. Why is Starbucks bad? I am also an accountant, does the require a sassy response too?
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pepsijunky, don't you just love the maturity of these guys and how they respect a difference of opinion? Freakin' three year olds in the sandbox!
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Yeah, I hear you. If I still had Verizon I would be happy to have the Voyager I bet. Especially over the treo 700w and EnV I had. But, I have at&t and the iphone and it works out wonderfully.
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uh.... you try to push all of your apple rhetoric around.. and say that the voyager is crap.. but when I do the same thing and put in parenthesis that it's an OPINION you still blast me for doing the same thing you do?
hypocrite.
that's a name.. but it's not name calling. it's the truth.
troll.
now THAT'S name calling. but if it's accurate, is it still frowned upon? and three year olds? hardly. Older doesn't mean wiser... or did you miss the memo? younger people have grown up with technology and don't need a dumbed-down piece of equipment to get through the technology level of today.
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hypocrite.
that's a name.. but it's not name calling. it's the truth.
troll.
now THAT'S name calling. but if it's accurate, is it still frowned upon? and three year olds? hardly. Older doesn't mean wiser... or did you miss the memo? younger people have grown up with technology and don't need a dumbed-down piece of equipment to get through the technology level of today.
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There is little to say in response to your infantile post. You were doing fine and actually making me reconsider some stuff until you got to the low down scummy childish personal attacks and the age garbage. You have no idea who I am or anything about me. For all you know I might be someone who started a very successful tech company that is recognized as a major innovator in tele-communications. Your just an Apple hater not interested innovation or the forces that drive change. You want your little toy that you like and you want everybody to think just like you do and you can't stand it when they don't so you kick and scream and pound your fists. That may work with your Mommy and Daddy, but not in the real world. You ought to kiss Steve Jobs...
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WHAT?!
Scummy, childish, personal attacks? Talking about ago? Who you are?
YOU'RE the one that called me a "three year old" first. YOU started talking about age before I did. And you're the one that started making personal attacks because I didn't agree about YOUR device. Just like every apple fan-boy and fan-girl.
You're only proving my point about being a hypocrite. And it's "you're". I can't stand that typo. Chalk it up to a personal pet peeve. But what more can be expected from you, right? Apple loving, hypocritical, "you have to love our devices", Jobs worshiping zealot.
And OOOOO.. yeah, Steve Jobs helped to innovate..... so did every other company in the market. Do you think your precious iphone would exist without the SIX...
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Scummy, childish, personal attacks? Talking about ago? Who you are?
YOU'RE the one that called me a "three year old" first. YOU started talking about age before I did. And you're the one that started making personal attacks because I didn't agree about YOUR device. Just like every apple fan-boy and fan-girl.
You're only proving my point about being a hypocrite. And it's "you're". I can't stand that typo. Chalk it up to a personal pet peeve. But what more can be expected from you, right? Apple loving, hypocritical, "you have to love our devices", Jobs worshiping zealot.
And OOOOO.. yeah, Steve Jobs helped to innovate..... so did every other company in the market. Do you think your precious iphone would exist without the SIX...
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This is one angry guy. Did you miss your therapy appointment this week.
In keeping with the troll title that "adults" on this forum have bestowed on me... Knowing I have annoyed you and gotten under your skin like this is giving me immense pleasure. You give your power away so easily.
In keeping with the troll title that "adults" on this forum have bestowed on me... Knowing I have annoyed you and gotten under your skin like this is giving me immense pleasure. You give your power away so easily.
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You say that I shouldn't be making fun of your age or making any kinds of personal attacks... then you're the first one to do both? Then, when I make valid points about you being a hypocrite, instead of address it, you just come up with MORE personal attacks that you think are valid. So, I'm guessing that you're running for political office? Because you're about as backwards and igorant as dubya.
Just because I speak with conviction and obviously strong feelings in my posts doesn't mean that you've "gotten under my skin". This is a FORUM and you're an apple lover. I learned LONG ago that you are the nazi's of the computer world. Blind to the flaws of your lemming/dumbed-down products. You have absolutely no power over me and as a matter-o...
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Just because I speak with conviction and obviously strong feelings in my posts doesn't mean that you've "gotten under my skin". This is a FORUM and you're an apple lover. I learned LONG ago that you are the nazi's of the computer world. Blind to the flaws of your lemming/dumbed-down products. You have absolutely no power over me and as a matter-o...
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Wow.. oops, *ignorant (ironic, eh?), and apologize. No one's perfect, even the most anal retentive make mistakes.
Anyway, good-bye.
Anyway, good-bye.
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you do realize that apple riped the design off of the prada and sound someone who is up steve jobs backside. If you are truly in the technology field youo should be able to see the issues with the iphone. Apple brings out updates to block everyone's third party apps, seizes control over servicing them from at&t( by the way that is the very reason Verizon passed on them when asked first by apple) So when you pay 100 bucks for a battery yopu can';t remove have fun, if you do it yourself you void your waranty, and you can't buy an extended waranty on the iphone, then the bluetooth is totally crippled headset only. then edge speeds and no pix messaging...Come on if you are into technology you can figuere this out on your own
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There is no doubt there are significant issues with the iPhone and no doubt that a portion of them are probably part of some Jobs plan to milk people for money. I'm sure they will be fixed and rolled out as Apple meets certain sales goals, i.e. sells x number of phones then fix one part, sell more phones fix another part.
Contrary to popular thought around this forum I do not worship at the altar of Jobs and will be one of the first to say they do plenty to screw over customers, but...they have a history of innovation, doing stuff better than other people even if other people had the idea first, products that work for most people and they sure seem to market much better than anybody else
And VZW? A long history of screwing people over...
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Contrary to popular thought around this forum I do not worship at the altar of Jobs and will be one of the first to say they do plenty to screw over customers, but...they have a history of innovation, doing stuff better than other people even if other people had the idea first, products that work for most people and they sure seem to market much better than anybody else
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LOL!!! I said the same. If VZW had the iPhone they'd all be saying it was the best thing since sliced bread.
Apple hating has become a sport for these guys.
Apple hating has become a sport for these guys.
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except for if verizon and apple had come to an agreement the iphone would have a removable battery and would be running off of our broaband network not 1x and you could get it serviced at any verizon store, that would have been a good start to fix many of the flaws. The iphone is pretty cool, but it defianetly dropped the ball in areas that would have made it great, maybe version 2 will finally be what the origianl should have been
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hmm..no, I really don't. I don't like the idea of not having a removable batter or removable memory and I want a keyboard that works. I don't hate Apple btw, just their pricing.
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Bottom line.
The Voyager costs $299 only if you are eligible for an upgrade or a new customer. If you want an 8gb micro SD card it's what $150? I have no clue but I know it's more then $100 and are they even available yet?
iphone is $400 anytime, whether you are eligible or not and it includes 8gb of memory. So, pricing is not the issue. I bought my iphone 3 months after I had already started service with at&t, if I did that with the Voyager on Verizon it would have cost me like $550?? more? Simple.
The Voyager costs $299 only if you are eligible for an upgrade or a new customer. If you want an 8gb micro SD card it's what $150? I have no clue but I know it's more then $100 and are they even available yet?
iphone is $400 anytime, whether you are eligible or not and it includes 8gb of memory. So, pricing is not the issue. I bought my iphone 3 months after I had already started service with at&t, if I did that with the Voyager on Verizon it would have cost me like $550?? more? Simple.
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Very true, but if you or anyone had decided to take your Iphone back after using it for whatever reason, you could, but you'd only have 14 days to do it, and you'd pay a restocking fee just to return it. You have 30 days with the Voyager and no restocking fee. Also, if you drop your phone and scratch or break it, or drop in liquid, or lose it, or it gets stolen, you can pay a $50 deductible with insurance through VZW and get a replacement. With the Iphone, if any of the above happens, you are paying full retail for another one. There are pros in cons with both phones, and this can go on all day.
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Agreed. I personally don't drop phones, I am very careful. So paying $6-$7 extra a month for insurance is a non-issue for me because I won't do it.
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Michaele is just a hater. The world is full of haters. You sound like an AT&T cheerleader.
Voyager iPhone
DATA EVDO Rev.O (fast) EDGE (slow)
IMPUT Physical Keypad Touch keys
CAMERA 2mp (Autofocus) 2MP(no autofocus)
VIDEO REC YES NO
PIC Message YES NO
Ext Memory 8GB removable 8GB internal
MOBILE TV YES NO
GPS YES NOT REALLY
IM CLIENT YES NO
The rest is about the same, but keep in mind that the iPhone costs a lot more than the Voyager and Verizon rejected the iPhone before it came to AT&T. In my opinion, I would rather spend less money o...
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Voyager iPhone
DATA EVDO Rev.O (fast) EDGE (slow)
IMPUT Physical Keypad Touch keys
CAMERA 2mp (Autofocus) 2MP(no autofocus)
VIDEO REC YES NO
PIC Message YES NO
Ext Memory 8GB removable 8GB internal
MOBILE TV YES NO
GPS YES NOT REALLY
IM CLIENT YES NO
The rest is about the same, but keep in mind that the iPhone costs a lot more than the Voyager and Verizon rejected the iPhone before it came to AT&T. In my opinion, I would rather spend less money o...
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neaster, we know you work in A VZW authorized reseller store so I would be very careful about who you accuse of being a cheerleader for whom.
BTW, I've been VZW customer since long before it was VZW. It was Metro Mobile in the northeast when I signed up. The worst part about an iPhone is giving the VZW network.
But your word isn't worth anything. You have a vested interest in all things VZW. You sell their phones and their services.
If you even bothered to read my posts you would see all I have had ever said is what works for you is best for you and the Voyager doesn't work for me.
BTW, add n the cost of the 8gb card and what does the phone cost? Except for GPS, auto focus and speed the rest is software which you can be reason...
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BTW, I've been VZW customer since long before it was VZW. It was Metro Mobile in the northeast when I signed up. The worst part about an iPhone is giving the VZW network.
But your word isn't worth anything. You have a vested interest in all things VZW. You sell their phones and their services.
If you even bothered to read my posts you would see all I have had ever said is what works for you is best for you and the Voyager doesn't work for me.
BTW, add n the cost of the 8gb card and what does the phone cost? Except for GPS, auto focus and speed the rest is software which you can be reason...
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You know I have never actually posted, always just observed, but after reading some of your comments, I finally registered an account and wanted to give you my two cents.
I understand your points, and can see why you would feel that way. However, what I don't understand is why? Why are you posting this on here? Did you honestly not think you would receive backlash?
Your reply to everyone is that they are some immature high school kid that has nothing intelligent to say so they resort to cheapshots.
What did you expect?
Did you really expect some kind of great debate about a freaking phone?
I could start to insult you and ask you if you even know what a phone is meant for.
Honestly. I could continue to bash you for li...
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I understand your points, and can see why you would feel that way. However, what I don't understand is why? Why are you posting this on here? Did you honestly not think you would receive backlash?
Your reply to everyone is that they are some immature high school kid that has nothing intelligent to say so they resort to cheapshots.
What did you expect?
Did you really expect some kind of great debate about a freaking phone?
I could start to insult you and ask you if you even know what a phone is meant for.
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If you dont like this phone than check out the recent news, and hold on to what you got.
Below was directlycopied from opening phonescoop news page;
Verizon to Open Access to Apps and Devices Next Year
Tuesday, 8:45 AM by Eric M. Zeman updated Tuesday, 11:15 AM
Today Verizon Wireless announced that it will officially allow customers to use any compatible device - not just those available directly from Verizon - on its network beginning next year. Verizon said it will publish technical standards that hardware developers can use to create devices for its network. Any device that meets the minimum standards will be tested and certified in Verizon's lab. Any certified device will be activated for customers who wish to use them. Suc...
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Below was directlycopied from opening phonescoop news page;
Verizon to Open Access to Apps and Devices Next Year
Tuesday, 8:45 AM by Eric M. Zeman updated Tuesday, 11:15 AM
Today Verizon Wireless announced that it will officially allow customers to use any compatible device - not just those available directly from Verizon - on its network beginning next year. Verizon said it will publish technical standards that hardware developers can use to create devices for its network. Any device that meets the minimum standards will be tested and certified in Verizon's lab. Any certified device will be activated for customers who wish to use them. Suc...
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yes that is true however you do realize that the iphone is GSM. The Verizon news is for any other CDMA compatible phone. That's all they are talking about there and I'm not sure how it'll work because sprint has different pricing plans and messaging plans than verizon has.
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It appears that the tech underlying VZW's choice for 4G is GSM based, so...
Wait long enough and everything changes!
Wait long enough and everything changes!
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michaele said:
I am a long time VZW customer. I've held off on an iPhone for the all the usual reasons - network, changing systems, contract, friends on VZW, etc.
I went to the store on Friday and played with the Voyager before I make a decision on the iPhone...The voyager is cute and a joke. No synching, lousy browser and a staff who knew far less than I did. Perfect for a kid.
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The phone will sync through bluetooth for calender and contacts, you can also send pix through bluetooth as well, If you want music just use the memory card or included music kit.
As far as the browser it is great, you can change the views on it how you want it to look and speed wise I had much better luck then an iphone ...
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Do you honestly think you would have this phone had Apple not come out with the iPhone?
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umm yes, maybe not as fast but it would have still came. It was the replacement for the 9900(which is obviously still out) If there was no iphone then we probably would have been another 6 months until the 9900 went full curcle and the replacement came. REmember the iphone is not the only touch or even the first ever developed. Lg had touch screens on their many products (like the prada) way before the iphone was even announced, and the htc touch was announced soon after the iphone so they already had that in development, Iphone was first to market in US(if you don't count all the pda touch screens out there) but they were not first to market in the world.
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I saw it today and have to agree with the original
post here. Maybe since Verizon is opening up now phone choices will be a lot better but this brick is not the answer.
post here. Maybe since Verizon is opening up now phone choices will be a lot better but this brick is not the answer.
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On November 9 in another forum, mike1650 said, "I am changing to Sprint SERO plan and getting the Touch phone after being a V customer for 10 years. Verizon around here has always had great service and the CS has been good but I am not going to pay their rates to use the internet."
Isn't it strange that so many people trashing the phone in this thread have all posted elsewhere they've abandoned verizon or bought another phone or have something else or whatever before the voyager even came out?
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but let's lay the biases on the table.
Isn't it strange that so many people trashing the phone in this thread have all posted elsewhere they've abandoned verizon or bought another phone or have something else or whatever before the voyager even came out?
Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but let's lay the biases on the table.
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Why does that even matter Bruce? Should we ask you to stop being so bias towards it? You seem to have some major love for this phone.
Being a long time Verizon customer is like being in the matrix, somebody please unplug Bruce! Show him the real world with good phones and non restricted user interfaces!
Being a long time Verizon customer is like being in the matrix, somebody please unplug Bruce! Show him the real world with good phones and non restricted user interfaces!
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Hmm, you must have me confused with someone else, I haven't posted anything like that. It's a good phone but I'm not really the cheerleader type. On the other hand, I have posted to correct some intentional misinformation from trolls and fanbois who don't own the voyager and don't really know what they are talking about. Since you're happy with your iphone, why does that even matter to you?
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Because that verizon exec called the voyager an iPhone killer. Pretty ****y statement for a guy who knows full well their phones are basically 2 year old junk.
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Time will tell. What do you care? It doesn't take much these days to marshall the fanbois I guess.
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Hi -
I worked for VZW for a little more than 3 years (now I'm working for a different company because I just graduated this past semester so I wanted to utilize my degree and get the hell out of retail). I can tell you this - I know we made a lot of comparisons towards the iPhone with our other devices, but not once have I heard any of the execs calling it the iPhone killer. The lable, "iPhone killer," was dubbed by the media due to the "non-innovative" design (I'm sorry, LG beat Apple to the punch with the Prada - I hope they file their lawsuit against Apple) and everyone just rolled with it, even the employees - as you can see the media has a major influence of the public.
While I was working at VZW, not once did I call it the iPh...
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I worked for VZW for a little more than 3 years (now I'm working for a different company because I just graduated this past semester so I wanted to utilize my degree and get the hell out of retail). I can tell you this - I know we made a lot of comparisons towards the iPhone with our other devices, but not once have I heard any of the execs calling it the iPhone killer. The lable, "iPhone killer," was dubbed by the media due to the "non-innovative" design (I'm sorry, LG beat Apple to the punch with the Prada - I hope they file their lawsuit against Apple) and everyone just rolled with it, even the employees - as you can see the media has a major influence of the public.
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Your open mindeness and even tone is appreciated, but regarding the iPhone statement by VZW a exec, it's on record. Do a google search on the phrase. I picked this off reuters archives...
"'We think it'll be the best phone… this year. It will kill the iPhone,' Verizon Wireless Chief Marketing Officer Mike Lanman told Reuters while discussing the LG Voyager."
His rather brash, unfounded, unsupportable statement kicked off an awful lot of the anti VZW crowd because it reeked of exactly the kind of attitude and arrogance that they have used for a long time to nickel and dime us and tell us (the customer) what is best for us rather than asking and listening to their customers.
Their latest moves to open their network and support ...
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"'We think it'll be the best phone… this year. It will kill the iPhone,' Verizon Wireless Chief Marketing Officer Mike Lanman told Reuters while discussing the LG Voyager."
His rather brash, unfounded, unsupportable statement kicked off an awful lot of the anti VZW crowd because it reeked of exactly the kind of attitude and arrogance that they have used for a long time to nickel and dime us and tell us (the customer) what is best for us rather than asking and listening to their customers.
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Well, phone issues aside, the fact is that consumers keep putting Verizon at the top -- and ATT at the bottom -- in customer satisfaction surveys. See the current issue of Consumer Reports, coming out now on the stands, and similar surveys. Don't you think it's kind of pointless to keep trying to convince people who seem to be perfectly satisfied with VZW that they shouldn't be?
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You are right, it is not the iphone killer but it is the iphone for the verizon network that utilizes all of their "extras". The only reason that it is in any way better then the iphone is because of the internal keyboard and internet access but otherwise even being a voyager owner the iphone is still better! I DOO AGREE!!!!!
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... god damnit Lanman ... you and your big mouth.
Okay anyway ... well if you look at it features wise and throw the expenses out, it is better than the iPhone with 2 key things already - 3G, keyboard, dual screens, 2MP camera, and not even bothering with that stupid iTunes software (god I really hate that).
The only thing that I really liked about the iPhone (I actually did own one for a bit) is the screen rotates based on how you are holding it and the dual touch is really responsive. Otherwise, IMO, the Voyager is the better consumer device for me.
Okay anyway ... well if you look at it features wise and throw the expenses out, it is better than the iPhone with 2 key things already - 3G, keyboard, dual screens, 2MP camera, and not even bothering with that stupid iTunes software (god I really hate that).
The only thing that I really liked about the iPhone (I actually did own one for a bit) is the screen rotates based on how you are holding it and the dual touch is really responsive. Otherwise, IMO, the Voyager is the better consumer device for me.
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