Unions help two classes of people:

1) Union leaders (they get PAID)
2) Trouble Makers

If you're not in either of those classes I wouldn't support joining a union.

That is pure BS, Unions have created AMAZING careers for many types of companies,yes like ANYTHING there have been some bad situations.
T-Mobile needs to stop paying us less then any other company.

missleading said:
Unions have created AMAZING careers for many types of companies

Yeah, like the US auto industry?

Exactly Llama...and who's rich in the auto industry? Most of them work for the UAW, not the companies themselves.

Ya the auto industry in America made crappy products that only certain people wanted, Sorry but not everyone wants a ford truck. Even then the average GMC/Ford worker made around 25 dollars an hour.

Unions built this country, in fact entire cities like our own New York, is still built and maintained by Unions.

missleading said:
Unions built this country, in fact entire cities like our own New York, is still built and maintained by Unions.

New York City is NOT representative of the US...

Last week I drove by our local Hooter's restraunt, and there was the union pickets. Whey were they picketting? Because Hooters decided to hire a non-union firm to do some roof work. If a union shop wanted the bid all they had to do was put in a competeive bid. All unions do is drive up prices and in the end hurt workers. I have seen unions picket places when the workers themselves decided not to go union. If they were so great why would they try to force themselves on people? Unions had their place, but it is a different time.

llama said:


New York City is NOT representative of the US...

not to mention they making the state go bankrupt.

T-Mobile pays us less then ANY Other major carrier, usually forcing normal reps to do the requirements of assistant managers, managers, sales leads, while working them the least amount of hours they can get away with.
And any other major cell company will give the same benefits.

If you don't like it missleading, then go find another job. That's the great thing about this country.

Then leave.

"Then leave."

It's far easier for this type to complain. Missleading hasn't left because he/she wouldn't be able to cut it anywhere else.

Your comment is as much as a fallacy as your comments about unions.

BTW I transferred to T-mobile, with the promise of equal pay and hours, I chose this job, only to have my hours cut and my pay NOT competitive.
My current town has been hit hard by the recession so jobs with other carriers are non existent, otherwise I would leave.

Your T-Mobile is awesome, but how they treat employees is not. I mean they can't even hit their own top performer retention goal of 75% how sad is that.

Tmobile is extremely competitive. Where I live they make more than the other providers. If Tmobile usa went to a Union it was be a very bad decision. T-mobile cares about its employees and it most areas are in the top 10 best places to work. Besides if you did work for Verzion or another company you risk getting laid off. Ask all the Alltel reps now looking for new jobs.

missleading is correct.

All the T-Mobile retail sales rep I work with want to form a union. We make the least amount of any one in the wireless industry- don't believe me look it up.

A union would also fix this joke of a new commission structure. T Mobile didn't even pay out its full commission budget last year. A commission system that is truly in line with company goals should be paying out a 100% of budget or even a little more.

For people (Fleance2k5) that say we complain or that we cant cut it and thats why we stay, look at how many top performers we keep. Go back and look at winners circle tell me how many names repeat. All of us leave as soon as a better opportunity comes along.

T Mobile is a great company I have ...
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Verizon Wireless prolly pays the most and no one wants a union.

Maybe you should look for a change. I much rather have me look out for me than some "Union Representative" take money from me and say he has my best interest at heart. It's all about getting money & power to unions, not the individual.

A union would take 1.3 to 1.6 percent of your total pay. The average union worker makes 25 to 35 percent more then those in the same non union trade. I think that would be helping me out more then any union.

i think you believe the unions are gonna be your savior...you are wrong. Work hard, make more commissions...

I'm amazed Llama and I agree on something but i'm glad he has my back on this. Unions would do nothing to make things worse for T-mobile. You want more money? Work harder. There has been so many stores i walk by or go to and see many of the workers just standing around not doing anything. Goofing off with each other while customers are watching or in the store. I'm not saying all of the store reps do it but I see it often. I know some of you work your butt off and i'm sure those that do make a fair commission and get paid for what they sow. I bet the ones that get paid the most are also the ones going to Hawaii in March too.

Concur.

When I worked for TMO, I also went to Winner's Circle in Vegas. Hard work pays its own dividends.

Additionally, I'd like you to poll union workers in union grocery outfits. They don't make any more than their non-union counterparts and they get their paychecks hit every week by the union. 1.6 to 1.8% is a lot of money to pay as an additional tax, which is really what it is.

I don't know where this bozo came up with the figure that union workers make 25% more than non-union workers.

at&t reps don't make 25% more...

Back in my wireless days at AT&T Wireless (before the whole Cingular fiasco) we did just fine without a union. Great benefits, reasonable pay. Some of the folks I worked with who are still sticking it out this many years later complain that pay and benefits have both suffered.

don't tell that to missleading...

I don't work for T-Mobile Corporate and never have. In fact I've always worked for Indirect dealers. The reason T-Mobile doesn't pay as much as the other carriers might have something to do with the fact that they're considerably smaller. Half the size of ATT and Verizon.... Don't kid yourself either Sprint employees aren't exactly making tons of cash. Unions wouldn't help this as many others have pointed out.

T-Mobile corporate employees have taking a real down swing lately. I'd put up any of my employees that I have in my market next to corporate ones. What you would find is that my employees dress well, tuck in their shirts, style their hair in a neat and professional matter, and are far better sales people. Maybe that's why they pay ...
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