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Roaming agreements

guitarman21

Jan 3, 2005, 12:21 PM
I heard T-Mobile was going to renegotiate roaming agreements sometime this year with Cingular. Will this mean expanded coverage and does anyone know when this is expected to happen?
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 12:28 PM
It will basically be the same coverage... maybe better than it was before the Cingular/ATTWS merger... The reason T-mobile has to renegotiate is because Cingular strong armed them and cancelled all ATTWS roaming agreements in place w/ T-Mobile. It really was an overnight thing... One night you had exceptional service off an ATTWS tower the next day... Nada...

It might be better though considering T-Mobile will no longer have to pay for California and Nevada.
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guitarman21

Jan 3, 2005, 12:37 PM
When did they cancel ATT roaming agreements?
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 12:47 PM
It was about a week or two after the merger closed... Like late Nov.

The delay to renegotiate was not t-mob's doing either... It only took them a couple days to request a renegotiation... Cingular delayed it till 2005 due to "merger issues"
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bizkitsngravy

Jan 3, 2005, 2:46 PM
I have a feeling though, any renegotiation is going to accompany some type of purchase from them too, more so then what we've already bought out west. Maybe not, it'll be interesting to see what comes out of it. Hopefully it will be better than before 🙂 Cingular is trying to sell off spectrum where it has overlapped coverage. MetroPCS is buying spectrum in Dallas, for example. I don't agree personally how they yanked things so quickly, but it was nothing illegal. Does anyone else kinda get the vibe cingular maybe had eyes bigger than it's stomach? No doubt this merger is a gargantuous undertaking, but they seemed so calm and confident about it. Lately though, it almost seems they're scrambling awefully hard.
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 2:58 PM
We jumped off the truck bed running... So far every aspect of the merger is going as smooth as it could... The reason they're trying to sell off spectrum as fast as they are is really to meet the requirements set by the FCC... I too disagree with how the Tmob roaming agreements was handled... Though not illegal... It was in my opinion inappropriate... They basically blindsided Tmob... but I suppose that's just "business as usual"... Only real criticism I have of our execs is that instead of selling the ATTWS California/Nevada spectrum to Tmob... They sell the Cingular portion... The portion we KNOW works... Makes no sense to me...
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bizkitsngravy

Jan 3, 2005, 3:49 PM
speck said:
Only real criticism I have of our execs is that instead of selling the ATTWS California/Nevada spectrum to Tmob... They sell the Cingular portion... The portion we KNOW works... Makes no sense to me...


That wouldn't make any sense to me either, but you have to wonder what the reason is behind it. Did AWS have a better/bigger network in CA/NV than Cingular did? Do you know how much was overlapping?

Here's a question for you that I really wouldn't know how to answer myself and the company hasn't given us any feedback either. With MMS, we had an agreement with AWS that made transmissions compatible between the 2 networks inter-carrier. However, AWS is no longer, so will cingular pick that up ...
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 7:59 PM
I've wondered that myself... I'm hoping it's true... My faith would be crushed if it was one of those "Doh!" type of transactions...

As far as MMS... to be honest I've been dying to know the same thing but they haven't said anything on our end either... The only thing they've announced about inter-carrier MMS is our arrangement w/ VZW... Personally I think we should continue w/ Tmob... but with the recent business tactics Cingular has been displaying towards Tmob in particular... it looks doubtful... I hope i'm wrong though...
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littlefuzzbear

Jan 3, 2005, 2:46 PM
speck said:

It might be better though considering T-Mobile will no longer have to pay for California and Nevada.


Well, they won't have to pay into the joint venture any longer, but initially they're going to pay big time. cingular after all is not *giving* T-Mobile their infrastructure in California and Nevada. T-Mobile is buying that infrastructure.
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 2:52 PM
Correction... T-Mobile Int'l is buying it... The only cost T-Mobile USA has to put up is the cost of incorporating the recent purchase into their network. It won't be enough to hurt Tmob USA in any way.
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rpgarcia74

Jan 3, 2005, 8:08 PM
The word from a Director of Engineering in one of the major markets in the US is that T-Mobile is "real close" to finalizing a roaming agreement that will basically allow us to run a paint roller across our coverage maps.

I am waiting for that to happen as I know that will be a big advantage for us.

RGJ
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speck

Jan 3, 2005, 8:12 PM
Right... they're renegotiating their roaming agreements w/ Cingular... but what's the relevance w/ my previous post?

I'm not following you...
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guitarman21

Jan 4, 2005, 1:07 AM
Thanks rpgarcia74! 🙂
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