Radio Shack WAS the single largest cellular agent in the world!
Or haven't you guys heard. They will be selling Cingular now. You can't possibly believe its all about Radio Shack!
Its about Verizon. Circuit City will take the crown. People want Verizon. It's not like they are saying "hey lets go to Radio Shack and buy what ever cell phone carrier they sell because Radio Shack so sooooo goood.
They want Verizon and will find a Verizon agent.
Betcha next year Radio Shack sells way way less activations on Cingular.
Its about Verizon. Circuit City will take the crown. People want Verizon. It's not like they are saying "hey lets go to Radio Shack and buy what ever cell phone carrier they sell because Radio Shack so sooooo goood.
They want Verizon and will find a Verizon agent.
Betcha next year Radio Shack sells way way less activations on Cingular.
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and how much cash would you like to place on this? because if would seriously like to make a wager, i am honestly willing to place a bet on this. contact me via email or this forum. I will be happy to hear any bet. with more than three times the locations and more up-sells, and 5x the activation annually, i am excited for a gamble (on your part). come on and pony up.
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springaf said:
and how much cash would you like to place on this? because if would seriously like to make a wager, i am honestly willing to place a bet on this. contact me via email or this forum. I will be happy to hear any bet. with more than three times the locations and more up-sells, and 5x the activation annually, i am excited for a gamble (on your part). come on and pony up.
And you think all that is becasue of Radio Shack?
Its Verizon! OH well I feel sorry for you man. I can't take your money, you are going to need it while finding a new job
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no balls. thats too bad. if you think that either best buy or circuit city will outsell radio shack in activations, put up a bet.
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Not really... The average person that signs up with a wireless carrier don't know about the different technologies or who works better ect... they know what is in front of them. Radio Shack has a name and has been around for a while. If someone walks in and wants an rf modulator and sees the Cingular sign and has some sales person point out the pros of Cingular vs whoever they are with, the sale is made... Verizon has a better name than Sprint, and both are sold at Radio Shack... so Cingular will have a better name than Sprint and we will out sell them as well... CDMA carriers are limited to what they can do with their phones, once (more) people see what a GSM phone and carrier can offer, they will jump at it...
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Exactly what i was trying to say. Your terminology is much better though!
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Hello Moto said:
If someone walks in and wants an rf modulator and sees the Cingular sign and has some sales person point out the pros of Cingular vs whoever they are with, the sale is made...
I don't know if I buy that. Yeah, some people are kinda clueless and want to be sold, but others (like me) do some research and have an idea what they want before they shop.
I personally wouldn't trust a Radio Hack guy to sell me on anything. Most of those clowns do not know what they're doing.
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The reason Radio Shack sells more Sprint than Verizon is they are told to direct customers to Sprint because they pay higher comissions. Also remember there are many more locations where you can buy a Verizon phone rather than Sprint. There are hardly any indirect agents that sell Sprint as compared to Verizon. Simply stated GSM service is **** unless you are in a major market. Verizon has and will continue to have the largest network and best service. Their customer service is rated #1 by JD Power and associates surveys. They are about to take over again as the nations largest customer base after the 4th quarter. It is obvious that Verizon is building quality service for their customers. Cingular will be lucky to make a profit in the next c...
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Verizon deserves their success. They have a happy and well compensated workforce. the perception if not always the reality of great customer Service. The fact that you do not see the amount of customer bashing posts as you do in the Cingular forum should be more then an example of why they have the CS numbers.
Cingular squandered a great opportunity with their arrogance and assumed success after the first quarter beating of Verizon. It will be the last time Cingular will ever post higher activations then Verizon and soon Sprint. From best to worse in only a year. How does that happen?
Wait don't tell me. Its all over this forum.
Cingular squandered a great opportunity with their arrogance and assumed success after the first quarter beating of Verizon. It will be the last time Cingular will ever post higher activations then Verizon and soon Sprint. From best to worse in only a year. How does that happen?
Wait don't tell me. Its all over this forum.
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i think the way cingular is slipping they could be actually number 3 becuase sprint and verizon are gaining on them quite strongly. that is why i stated earlier that this merger was a horrible idea. why spend 41 billion dollars on att wireless mainly having towers, spectrum (3g) and subscribers? why not do it the organic way? you can do many things with 41 billion dollars like buy your own 3g spectrum at the 2006 fcc auction...
oh well.
oh well.
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nextel18 said:
i think the way cingular is slipping they could be actually number 3 becuase sprint and verizon are gaining on them quite strongly. that is why i stated earlier that this merger was a horrible idea. why spend 41 billion dollars on att wireless mainly having towers, spectrum (3g) and subscribers? why not do it the organic way? you can do many things with 41 billion dollars like buy your own 3g spectrum at the 2006 fcc auction...
oh well.
There was nothing wrong with spending that money. Vodaphone would have made it successful. Cingular got greedy and believed the first quarter was the start, they even RAISED PRICES!
People are talking about Cingular the way they were talking about Spri...
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of course there was something wrong spending that amount of money. you dont spend that amount of money in a saturated market. you try to do it organically. you build towers then you buy spectrum in 2006 then you will be in the same boat and it would be better as seperate entities. this way from quarter 1 to 3rd quarter they have been losing. they are having problems with integration.
the thing with sprint and nextel merger was that it was a benneficial for them to merge. they had the same thing both of those companies wanted. i still dont see why cingular thought att wireless, who was struggling, was a good buy.
vodafone did a great job but they wouldnt have bought them out and sold their 45 percent stake in the most profitible wirel...
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the thing with sprint and nextel merger was that it was a benneficial for them to merge. they had the same thing both of those companies wanted. i still dont see why cingular thought att wireless, who was struggling, was a good buy.
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ctdrexel said:
The reason Radio Shack sells more Sprint than Verizon is they are told to direct customers to Sprint because they pay higher comissions. Also remember there are many more locations where you can buy a Verizon phone rather than Sprint.
Hum, well if Radio Hack is selling more Verizon than Sprint, and Verizon is available in a lot of other places than Radio Hack, that seems to be a good argument that Verizon losin' Radio Hack reallly isn't gonna hurt them much at all.
Though I have a hard time imaginin anyone gettin hurt much by losin Radio Hack. They really ghetto-ize the customer experience somethin fierce, 2 times out of 3.
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did you see the article that i posted in one of these posts? it said that "radio shack is losing market share to verizon stores" or something of that sort.
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Have you tried to buy an RF modulator at RS lately? 90% of the RS sales people I run into wouldn't know what one is, though they might guess that they are stuck in the back of the store with the rest of the "hobby" electronics. RS made their company selling those hobby electronics that are relegated to a smaller and smaller area in the back of the store. They hire sale people who haven't a clue what the difference is between a CMOS logic circuit and a TTL logic circuit. RS is turning their back on the core customers that made them what they are. Right now, they still have their reputation as a "geek store" so maybe they will hang on for a while...
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nextel18 said:
actually radio shack is the leader in selling wireless.
Thanks to Verizon's popularity and reliability. It will not atay that way when they start selliing Cingular. Circuit Citty will take that mantkle from them.
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ya, radio shacks success story stems from verizon. then that would mean that radio shack's annual reports of revenue would be false. you know, the one that said they made 34.3% of company revenue from cellular services and activations. the one that stated that 59% of activations were for sprint(41% verizon), or in other words, 20.24% of annual revenue, in comparison to verizons 14% of annual revenue?
wow, you are just getting slapped around today, arent you midget?
wow, you are just getting slapped around today, arent you midget?
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springaf said:
ya, radio shacks success story stems from verizon. then that would mean that radio shack's annual reports of revenue would be false. you know, the one that said they made 34.3% of company revenue from cellular services and activations. the one that stated that 59% of activations were for sprint(41% verizon), or in other words, 20.24% of annual revenue, in comparison to verizons 14% of annual revenue?
wow, you are just getting slapped around today, arent you midget?
YOu are making my point!!!! You really think its about Radio Shack. Amazing.
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https://wachseconline.wachovia.com/NASApp/eBrokerage ... »
RadioShack Corporation (NYSE:RSH) will host a live
webcast of the Company's third quarter 2005 earnings results on
Friday, October 21, at 9:00 a.m.
i will be paying attention to this so we can have a dialogue about it.
RadioShack Corporation (NYSE:RSH) will host a live
webcast of the Company's third quarter 2005 earnings results on
Friday, October 21, at 9:00 a.m.
i will be paying attention to this so we can have a dialogue about it.
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That is a actually not a true statement. Cingular is a faster growing company than Verizon. Why would such a massive company
(radioshack) just dump their largest revenue company (this is not my opinion but yours)? Because Cingular has more potential.
(radioshack) just dump their largest revenue company (this is not my opinion but yours)? Because Cingular has more potential.
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Faster growing company then Verizon? What are we comparing? (revenue, arpu, subscribers)
More potential? Cingular is losing subscribers while Verizon is gaining subscribers.. how is that more potential if you are losing subscribers?
More potential? Cingular is losing subscribers while Verizon is gaining subscribers.. how is that more potential if you are losing subscribers?
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nextel18 said:
Faster growing company then Verizon? What are we comparing? (revenue, arpu, subscribers)
More potential? Cingular is losing subscribers while Verizon is gaining subscribers.. how is that more potential if you are losing subscribers?
They claim to have MBAs and do not get it.
The only point they make is MBA's are a dime a dozen and are handed out like candy on Halloween.
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I understand both sides of the argument but the main point is that Verizon will suffer more than Radio Shack (if they suffer). This is a major gain for Cingular and a major loss for Verizon. id doesn't matter how many activations Radio Shack does or if they are/were the largest cellular agent, it will still effect both companies.
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I think this will actually work out well for all parties involved.
Radio Shack stays with two major carriers, and probably won't be hurt at all in the long term.
Cingular gains Radio Shack's ability to generate new customers, which is something they desperately need at this point.
Verizon seems to be changing the way it wants to sell its service. I don't totally understand the reasoning, but they see something desirable about big box electronics retailers, and after the last couple quarters I'm not about to question the logic.
Radio Shack stays with two major carriers, and probably won't be hurt at all in the long term.
Cingular gains Radio Shack's ability to generate new customers, which is something they desperately need at this point.
Verizon seems to be changing the way it wants to sell its service. I don't totally understand the reasoning, but they see something desirable about big box electronics retailers, and after the last couple quarters I'm not about to question the logic.
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TenMidgits said:springaf said:
ya, radio shacks success story stems from verizon. then that would mean that radio shack's annual reports of revenue would be false. you know, the one that said they made 34.3% of company revenue from cellular services and activations. the one that stated that 59% of activations were for sprint(41% verizon), or in other words, 20.24% of annual revenue, in comparison to verizons 14% of annual revenue?
wow, you are just getting slapped around today, arent you midget?
YOu are making my point!!!! You really think its about Radio Shack. Amazing.
How is he making your point???? He is showing you that it IS NOT Verizon bringing the sales t...
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And you really think Cingular will outsell Verizon over Sprint at RS? You are dreaming man. Sprint is GAINING customers. Cingular is losing them and activating less each quarter. But like Mr. "I have an MBA" 🙄 said. They ment to do that. I hope you are not working for Cingular in that office above Tent City.
I have no other choice but to believe with certainty your claim of having an MBA is totally puffery for credibilities sake.
I have no other choice but to believe with certainty your claim of having an MBA is totally puffery for credibilities sake.
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just some food for thought..
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 reported
total going into quarter 4= 3.5 million
Nextel/sprint=
1st quarter= 2.1 million
2nd quarter= 1.45 mill (1.25 million core without including affiliates numbers)
3rd quarter= 1.2 million expected
total going into quarter 4= 4.75million
Verizon=
1st quarter= 1.64 million
2nd quarter= 1.9 million
3rd quarter= 1.9 million expected
total going into quarter 4= 5.44 million
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(going into quarter 4)
Cingular+ sprint= 8.2 million
verizon= 5.44 million
surplus of 2.8 million in favor of sprint+cingular of verizon.
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just some things to think about.
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 reported
total going into quarter 4= 3.5 million
Nextel/sprint=
1st quarter= 2.1 million
2nd quarter= 1.45 mill (1.25 million core without including affiliates numbers)
3rd quarter= 1.2 million expected
total going into quarter 4= 4.75million
Verizon=
1st quarter= 1.64 million
2nd quarter= 1.9 million
3rd quarter= 1.9 million expected
total going into quarter 4= 5.44 million
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(going into quarter 4)
Cingular+ sprint= 8.2 million
verizon= 5.44 million
surplus of 2.8 million in favor of sprint+cingular of verizon.
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just some things to think about.
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I never thought I woould see the day when Sprint activated more then Cingular. But there it is unless your "expected" numbers are 30% off.
I am convinced that trend will prevail. Public perception is catching on to Cingular's issues and all of a sudden Verizon is not all hype.
The world has to be pretty miffed at Cingular not being a good steward of the world class GSM technology in the US of A
I am convinced that trend will prevail. Public perception is catching on to Cingular's issues and all of a sudden Verizon is not all hype.
The world has to be pretty miffed at Cingular not being a good steward of the world class GSM technology in the US of A
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those expected were already pro forma reported which means that it should be very close to thosoe numbers that i have reported. (it could be a little less or a little bit more)
now, i can see that other guys point when they said that when you take out verizon and add in sprint-nextel and cingular they actually outperform verizon. so perhaps its actually a good idea? problem is, will cingular's subscriber levels keep declining or will it change course?
now, i can see that other guys point when they said that when you take out verizon and add in sprint-nextel and cingular they actually outperform verizon. so perhaps its actually a good idea? problem is, will cingular's subscriber levels keep declining or will it change course?
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nextel18 said:
those expected were already pro forma reported which means that it should be very close to thosoe numbers that i have reported. (it could be a little less or a little bit more)
now, i can see that other guys point when they said that when you take out verizon and add in sprint-nextel and cingular they actually outperform verizon. so perhaps its actually a good idea? problem is, will cingular's subscriber levels keep declining or will it change course?
why would Sprint/Nextel want a Cingular albratross around their neck? Verizon will outsell all of them for sure. At least Sprint has a fighting chance now on their own. IT will take ALL the carriers to out perform a class organization like...
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i just showed to you as of right now, cingular and sprint-nextel does better going into the 3rd quarter combined than verizon.
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Yes I know. t does take ALL of the companies together to beat Verizon. Thats pretty sad. Verizon has a great momentum. Reminds me of Toyota in the 80's.
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that is true, but my point was that cingular and sprint-nextel instead of verizon will impact radio shack as much as many people even i have originally thought of.
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nextel18 said:
that is true, but my point was that cingular and sprint-nextel instead of verizon will impact radio shack as much as many people even i have originally thought of.
I think Sprint will outsell Cingular by a larger margin at RS. this is best for Sprint not Cingular. They have to be partying in Sprint boardrooms at the prospect of trading Verizon for Cingular as a competitor in those stores. There are so many truthful negative points to make regarding Cingular. I would cut and paste the 7 points a Cingular CSR made on this forum on the wall for a start.
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yea that is true... but i think the overall point people were trying to make was that verizon's departuture and sprint-nextel and cingular's arrivals wont really impact radio shack.
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nextel18 said:
total going into quarter 4= 3.5 million
Nextel/sprint=
total going into quarter 4= 4.75million
Verizon=
total going into quarter 4= 5.44 million
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Cingular+ sprint= 8.2 million
verizon= 5.44 million
surplus of 2.8 million in favor of sprint+cingular of verizon.
Yes but....
Sprint/Nextel + Verizon (what RS has now) = 10.19M
This is a surplus of nearly 7 M compared to Cingular, means that (if RS sold every one of those activations, which we all know they don't...recall earlier in the thread someone posted that RS TOTAL activations will be in the 500k range for the year...) Radio shack will be LOSING OUT on the chance of about 2M sal...
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TenMidgits said:
And you really think Cingular will outsell Verizon over Sprint at RS? You are dreaming man. Sprint is GAINING customers. Cingular is losing them and activating less each quarter. But like Mr. "I have an MBA" 🙄 said. They ment to do that. I hope you are not working for Cingular in that office above Tent City.
I have no other choice but to believe with certainty your claim of having an MBA is totally puffery for credibilities sake.
You have got to be another alias for the same Nextel18. Your reading comprehension skills make his look good.
SPRINT OUTSELLS ALL OTHER CARRIERS AT RADIO SHACK!!!!!! EVEN YOUR PRECIOUS VERIZON!!!!!
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And You actually believe CINGULAR is going to do better then Verizon in that market? Based on.....duhhhhhhhh. 🙄
I think your imagination exceeds your ability to comprehend basic business strategy.
I think your imagination exceeds your ability to comprehend basic business strategy.
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nextel18 said:
notice how he brought my name into it. lol
He is a very frustrated boy. Its tough defending the indefensable. Even for an MBA.. 🙄
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TenMidgits said:
And You actually believe CINGULAR is going to do better then Verizon in that market? Based on.....duhhhhhhhh. 🙄
I think your imagination exceeds your ability to comprehend basic business strategy.
I never said better than Verizon did. I simply was pointing out that Cingular will definately benefit from being in Radio Shack and that it will hurt Verizon. And this is based on RADIO SHACK BEING THE LARGEST SELLING AUTHORIZED AGENT OF WIRELESS PHONES!!!!!
You are the one that is having a problem comprehending basic business strategy. But I'm not surprised. 🙄
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nextel18 said:
how will it hurt verizon?
he has no clue. He does not think Verizon can make up 10% of their sales at Best Buy or Circuit City. I think they will do BETTER especially at Circuit City where thy have a kiosk of VERIZON employees rather then store employees running the show.
He does not get it. I don't believe this guy has an MBA in anything except Master BullShyte Artist.
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very true.
i dont understand his thinking process. he mentiones that it will affect verizon. what will affect verizon and how? he doesnt want to ellaborate on them.
i dont understand his thinking process. he mentiones that it will affect verizon. what will affect verizon and how? he doesnt want to ellaborate on them.
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TenMidgits said:nextel18 said:
how will it hurt verizon?
he has no clue. He does not think Verizon can make up 10% of their sales at Best Buy or Circuit City. I think they will do BETTER especially at Circuit City where thy have a kiosk of VERIZON employees rather then store employees running the show.
He does not get it. I don't believe this guy has an MBA in anything except Master BullShyte Artist.
10% of their sales???? Try 25%. Quarterly. I'm not the one that has a problem getting it. I spelled this out for you yesterday. Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:nextel18 said:
how will it hurt verizon?
he has no clue. He does not think Verizon can make up 10% of their sales at Best Buy or Circuit City. I think they will do BETTER especially at Circuit City where thy have a kiosk of VERIZON employees rather then store employees running the show.
He does not get it. I don't believe this guy has an MBA in anything except Master BullShyte Artist.
10% of their sales???? Try 25%. Quarterly. I'm not the one that has a problem getting it. I spelled this out for you yesterday. Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
Oh I se...
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TenMidgits said:...SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:nextel18 said:
how will it hurt verizon?
he has no clue. He does not think Verizon can make up 10% of their sales at Best Buy or Circuit City. I think they will do BETTER especially at Circuit City where thy have a kiosk of VERIZON employees rather then store employees running the show.
He does not get it. I don't believe this guy has an MBA in anything except Master BullShyte Artist.
10% of their sales???? Try 25%. Quarterly. I'm not the one that has a problem getting it. I spelled this out for you yesterday. Here ya go:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m »
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false accusations is against the law also and probably against TOS rules.. so you need to back up a little bit. see now your accusing of becuase you are losing.
if they say it to you they have to put it in their 10k or 10q. (same with radio shack)
if they say it to you they have to put it in their 10k or 10q. (same with radio shack)
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nextel18 said:
false accusations is against the law also and probably against TOS rules.. so you need to back up a little bit. see now your accusing of becuase you are losing.
🙄
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that is what i thought... anyway... read this post
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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4,400 initially. That is the corporate locations. It will take some time for the individually owned locations to pick Cingular up. However, they will still not be able to sell Verizon after the contract expires - individual owned or corporate.
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initially? how come in no reports i see that verizon is in fact in all of those 7000 stores?
"It will take some time for the individually owned locations to pick Cingular up. However, they will still not be able to sell Verizon after the contract expires - individual owned or corporate."
how do you figure? i mean you just keep saying the same things over and over but just prove something.
"It will take some time for the individually owned locations to pick Cingular up. However, they will still not be able to sell Verizon after the contract expires - individual owned or corporate."
how do you figure? i mean you just keep saying the same things over and over but just prove something.
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nextel18 said:
"It will take some time for the individually owned locations to pick Cingular up. However, they will still not be able to sell Verizon after the contract expires - individual owned or corporate."
how do you figure? i mean you just keep saying the same things over and over but just prove something.
It is a legal issue. Once the contract expires, no Radio Shack is permitted to sell Verizon without a contract between the individually owned store and Verizon. Corporate owned stores are not permitted to sell it because there is no contract after 12/31/05. It is basic legal contractual concepts.
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so you are saying that a verizon corp store can not sell their own products in their stores? that is basically what your saying..
please correct me if i am way off base becuase that is what i am getting from your coded message. lol.
please correct me if i am way off base becuase that is what i am getting from your coded message. lol.
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nextel18 said:
so you are saying that a verizon corp store can not sell their own products in their stores? that is basically what your saying..
please correct me if i am way off base becuase that is what i am getting from your coded message. lol.
No, I am saying that after 12/31/05, Radio Shack cannot sell Verizon products any longer due to the expiration of the Verizon - Radio Shack Contract. It doesn't matter whether the RADIO SHACK store is corporate owned or individually owned, NO Radio Shack store can sell VZW products after 12/31/05.
VZW stores will always be able to sell their own products. Duh!! lol.....
Sorry for the confusion.
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its ok...
i understood about the radio shack situation but your wording was a bit different and it didnt really say radio shack.. that is why i asked those questions.. 🙂
no harm intended.
i understood about the radio shack situation but your wording was a bit different and it didnt really say radio shack.. that is why i asked those questions.. 🙂
no harm intended.
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nextel18 said:
its ok...
i understood about the radio shack situation but your wording was a bit different and it didnt really say radio shack.. that is why i asked those questions.. 🙂
no harm intended.
Sorry for the confusion. I was trying to type fast so that I could get out and get some lunch. Sorry I wasn't clear.
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its ok...
more importantly what did we have for lunch and was it worth it? lol
more importantly what did we have for lunch and was it worth it? lol
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nextel18 said:
its ok...
more importantly what did we have for lunch and was it worth it? lol
Wendy's. Bacon Mushroom Melts are back!!!! Definately worth it. 😁 😉 😁
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mmm... make me wealthier by going to wendys i like that!!! push my stock up.. lol..
anyway i eat there too number 7 for me !!
anyway i eat there too number 7 for me !!
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some things i found when i was looking through this site...
http://news.vzw.com/pdf/Verizon_Wireless_Press_Kit.pdf »
September 19, 2004 – Verizon Wireless announces that is products and services will be available in
more than 600 Best Buy stores across the U.S.
August 30, 2004 – Verizon Wireless announces it will create Verizon Wireless stores within each of
more than 570 Circuit City Superstores around the country.
hmm.. i dont see anything that states radio shack in it.
however, i find it here...
http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/756251 »
"The new stores, which will be opened in 4,400 RadioShack locations, will debut by the end of this month."
"RadioShack, based in Fort Worth, Texas, runs more than 7,200 store...
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http://news.vzw.com/pdf/Verizon_Wireless_Press_Kit.pdf »
September 19, 2004 – Verizon Wireless announces that is products and services will be available in
more than 600 Best Buy stores across the U.S.
August 30, 2004 – Verizon Wireless announces it will create Verizon Wireless stores within each of
more than 570 Circuit City Superstores around the country.
hmm.. i dont see anything that states radio shack in it.
however, i find it here...
http://www.atnewyork.com/news/article.php/756251 »
"The new stores, which will be opened in 4,400 RadioShack locations, will debut by the end of this month."
"RadioShack, based in Fort Worth, Texas, runs more than 7,200 store...
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lol.. hahahah.
many people are on here dont worry. i am sure you picked out a few by now...
many people are on here dont worry. i am sure you picked out a few by now...
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Radio Shack adds approximately 525k new VZW customers per quarter. This breaks out as follows:
7,000 Radio Shack Stores
25 Average Net Ads for VZW per month Per Store
That adds up to 175k per month which becomes 525k net ads per quarter for Verizon.
(this is all information directly from regional management at Radio Shack)
They will lose this. Now I'm not saying that they will not pick up some of it in another distribution channel, but they won't pick it all back up right away. It will hurt them in the short term.
7,000 Radio Shack Stores
25 Average Net Ads for VZW per month Per Store
That adds up to 175k per month which becomes 525k net ads per quarter for Verizon.
(this is all information directly from regional management at Radio Shack)
They will lose this. Now I'm not saying that they will not pick up some of it in another distribution channel, but they won't pick it all back up right away. It will hurt them in the short term.
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so radio shack is reponsible for about 27% of ( out of 1.9 million) verizon wireless' subscriber numbers? i really have to doubt that.
if that is true, then verizon wireless could get that an other way. please dont say it will hurt them in the short term becuase you have no idea. so far they have been doing extremly well.
now they sell 25 per store the 7000 or in kiosks?
it states here : "In the third quarter of 2005, total wireless sales were up 15% due to growth in RadioShack's kiosk channel offset by a decline in wireless sales in its company stores."
so that is why i asked that question. kiosks went up while wireless sales in company stores went down.
if that is true, then verizon wireless could get that an other way. please dont say it will hurt them in the short term becuase you have no idea. so far they have been doing extremly well.
now they sell 25 per store the 7000 or in kiosks?
it states here : "In the third quarter of 2005, total wireless sales were up 15% due to growth in RadioShack's kiosk channel offset by a decline in wireless sales in its company stores."
so that is why i asked that question. kiosks went up while wireless sales in company stores went down.
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so radio shack is reponsible for about 27% of ( out of 1.9 million) verizon wireless' subscriber numbers? i really have to doubt that.
if that is true, then verizon wireless could get that an other way. please dont say it will hurt them in the short term becuase you have no idea. so far they have been doing extremly well.
now they sell 25 per store the 7000 or in kiosks?
it states here : "In the third quarter of 2005, total wireless sales were up 15% due to growth in RadioShack's kiosk channel offset by a decline in wireless sales in its company stores."
so that is why i asked that question. kiosks went up while wireless sales in company stores went down.
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i know... i think that is pathetic. lol.
i really highly doubt that they are reponsible for 27 percent of verizon's net adds. so verizon will just make it up through other channels such as stores, other locations and the internet and phone. its not like verizon will lose anything. lol.
i really highly doubt that they are reponsible for 27 percent of verizon's net adds. so verizon will just make it up through other channels such as stores, other locations and the internet and phone. its not like verizon will lose anything. lol.
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nextel18 said:
so radio shack is reponsible for about 27% of ( out of 1.9 million) verizon wireless' subscriber numbers? i really have to doubt that.
if that is true, then verizon wireless could get that an other way. please dont say it will hurt them in the short term becuase you have no idea. so far they have been doing extremly well.
The information is directly from Regional Management at Radio Shack. They ARE responsible for about 27% of VZW's net ads per quarter.
And VZW has been doing "extremely well" so far because they have not pulled out of Radio Shack yet. You will not see any effect until the first quarter of next year. VZW will continue to sell through RS through the 4th quarter....
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SForsyth01 said:nextel18 said:
so radio shack is reponsible for about 27% of ( out of 1.9 million) verizon wireless' subscriber numbers? i really have to doubt that.
if that is true, then verizon wireless could get that an other way. please dont say it will hurt them in the short term becuase you have no idea. so far they have been doing extremly well.
The information is directly from Regional Management at Radio Shack. They ARE responsible for about 27% of VZW's net ads per quarter.
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In other words "a birdie told me"
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"but there will be a negative impact in the beginning. They don't have another distribution channel that will just pick up 500k net ads immediately."
based on?
they have best buy, they can get into staples... they have online, they have in their corp and rep stores and they have by telesales. they have plenty of other channels to make up that 500k net ads.
you are saying things that no one has any idea of... plus you are just speculating it on when they take it out of radio shack but you have no idea if they will get more by those other channels i just mentioned.
i would say your skating on thin ice with your big speculation.
based on?
they have best buy, they can get into staples... they have online, they have in their corp and rep stores and they have by telesales. they have plenty of other channels to make up that 500k net ads.
you are saying things that no one has any idea of... plus you are just speculating it on when they take it out of radio shack but you have no idea if they will get more by those other channels i just mentioned.
i would say your skating on thin ice with your big speculation.
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you are saying things that no one has any idea of... plus you are just speculating it on when they take it out of radio shack but you have no idea if they will get more by those other channels i just mentioned.
The contract ends at the end of 2005. They will be out then. They cannot sell in Radio Shack without the contract. 🙄
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i said to sell outside of radio shack and they can do that....
by the way...
did you read this?
"RadioShack Was Losing Market Share To Verizon Stores"
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/08/01/radioshack- ... »
by the way...
did you read this?
"RadioShack Was Losing Market Share To Verizon Stores"
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/08/01/radioshack- ... »
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There will still be a drop off. And I never said that they wouldn't make it up in another avenue. I just said that there would be a SHORT TERM drop off. I have no doubts that they will make it up within a quarter or 2...but short term, there will be an impact.
That is all I was saying.
That is all I was saying.
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but again... how will they drop off short term? as mentioned earlier, they have best buy, circuit city, online and telesales and corp and reps channels. why do you think that when verizon gets rid of radio shack that they will suffer when they got all of those channels that i just mentioned?
i know where you are saying, but without at least a sound opinion means absolutely nothing.
i know where you are saying, but without at least a sound opinion means absolutely nothing.
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nextel18 said:
but again... how will they drop off short term? as mentioned earlier, they have best buy, circuit city, online and telesales and corp and reps channels. why do you think that when verizon gets rid of radio shack that they will suffer when they got all of those channels that i just mentioned?
i know where you are saying, but without at least a sound opinion means absolutely nothing.
I gave my numbers and my calculations to show the basis for my OPINION!!!
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
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ok that is better.... now you have an opinion....
see the language that you used made me think that you KNEW what is going to happen in the future and things of that nature...
now you clarify it to state that it is your opinion....
i thank you for that clarification and will take your sound opinion based on your numbers and take it into account..
just one question though.. did you see what best buy and CC gets for net adds for verizon wireless? if not thats ok.. i just want people to ellaborate more if they say something. ya know?
great dialogue nontheless.
see the language that you used made me think that you KNEW what is going to happen in the future and things of that nature...
now you clarify it to state that it is your opinion....
i thank you for that clarification and will take your sound opinion based on your numbers and take it into account..
just one question though.. did you see what best buy and CC gets for net adds for verizon wireless? if not thats ok.. i just want people to ellaborate more if they say something. ya know?
great dialogue nontheless.
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nextel18 said:
ok that is better.... now you have an opinion....
see the language that you used made me think that you KNEW what is going to happen in the future and things of that nature...
now you clarify it to state that it is your opinion....
i thank you for that clarification and will take your sound opinion based on your numbers and take it into account..
just one question though.. did you see what best buy and CC gets for net adds for verizon wireless? if not thats ok.. i just want people to ellaborate more if they say something. ya know?
great dialogue nontheless.
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perhaps we should research it ourselves? i kinda dont belive people who state things but with no links or facts supporting their answeres.
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i actually have to agree with you on this.. i think when shack doesnt have verizon any more i think it will affect them.. compare verizon wireless's subscribers ads to cingular's ads..
Verizon=
1st quarter= 1.64 million
2nd quarter= 1.9 million
3rd quarter= 1.9 million (should get)
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers (reported )
Verizon=
1st quarter= 1.64 million
2nd quarter= 1.9 million
3rd quarter= 1.9 million (should get)
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers (reported )
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its not a matter of verizon vs cingular, but radio shack vs. circuit city. I dont think that radio shack will take a step down. besides, the shack had .5mil activations last year. do the math, thats about 250,000 verizon acts
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Oh, we are comparing radio shack against circuit city? Circuit city is not even a company I want to compare anything to especially against fine companies like radio shack and best buy. Radio shack will always be better then circuit city any day and I chose not to compare those two. Nevertheless, I wanted to say that radio shack has been struggling with wireless overall.
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Yet they still come up on top. I understand both sides of the argument but the main point is that Verizon will suffer more than Radio Shack (if they suffer). This is a major gain for Cingular and a major loss for Verizon. id doesn't matter how many activations Radio Shack does or if they are/were the largest cellular agent, it will still effect both companies.
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Verizon will still do well. People will seek out Verizon because their family and friends aee satisfied and Cingular offers nothing but very public low Cus Sat scores, integration issues, dropped calls are synonymous with Cingular.
People will walk into Radio Shack and ask where the nearest Verizon kiosk is. They are NOT activating Cingular service. The numbers bare that out, But hey "We ment to do that. 😛 "
People will walk into Radio Shack and ask where the nearest Verizon kiosk is. They are NOT activating Cingular service. The numbers bare that out, But hey "We ment to do that. 😛 "
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Even if Verizon doesn't get hit all that much by the loss Cingular will still gain. People who are just randomly shopping for cellular service and happen to walk into a RadioShack will be more prone to sign up there for Cingular than fo to another store for Verizon.
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Verizon wont lose anything loll. They can always sign up with another store like the deal they had with radio shack. Believe me, Verizon wont lose.
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I love the Tunnel vision here but here is a reality check. Not all of the customers who come into Radio Shack are looking for Verizon. I also know that other than you there are actually many who really hate verizon.
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Yea, that is very true. They also mentioned, radio shack, that their wireless units are not doing so hot and blaming it on the wireless carriers. Loll. Yes, that is true many people who come into Radio do not look for phones and they look for other things. The reason why I do not think it will affect Verizon wireless is that those people who want Verizon wireless will just use other channels such as going to another kiosk, ordering it on the phone, and ordering it on the web.
That is why I do not see it a problem for Verizon wireless.
That is why I do not see it a problem for Verizon wireless.
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This is also true. You make a good point. It will still benefit cingular though.
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for the customers that are dead-set on verizon, this wont effect them (but honestly, how many people that are dead-set on verizon go to radio shack, probably not even half). the majority of customers will compare sprint and cingular and not give too much concideration to verizon. especially if a trusted name like radio shack chooses to go with cingular and sprint
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if there is just one sale for verizon that has gone through radio shack for a customer that was not sure about verzion, the move will hurt verizon
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do you honestly believe that all 200,000 verizon activations were for customers dead set on verizon? if that were the case, customers wouldnt be surprised that radio shack sells cell phones, as they are every day
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200k activations? SF said around 500k or so. 26% of their total net adds.. i mean verizon's.
radio shack is actually losing market share to verizon stores as well as doing badly with their core wireless business but doing quite well with their kiosk wireless business.
radio shack is actually losing market share to verizon stores as well as doing badly with their core wireless business but doing quite well with their kiosk wireless business.
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are you a moron, or do you have a learning disability, because if so i wont mock you. they dont start sellin cingular actively until '06
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Verizon wireless will suffer more then radio shack? How do you figure? Verizon wireless averages around 1.7 million subscribers per quarter with expectations of 1.95 million for 3rd quarter. how is that suffering?
Major loss and major gain? Please explain yourself.
Major loss and major gain? Please explain yourself.
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this is just sad. Radio Shack was Verizon's largest cellular agent. Now they are not. Is that simple enough
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that is true, and that is why i dont get why this other person says that verizon will lose on that deal.
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springorem said:
Yet they still come up on top. I understand both sides of the argument but the main point is that Verizon will suffer more than Radio Shack (if they suffer). This is a major gain for Cingular and a major loss for Verizon. id doesn't matter how many activations Radio Shack does or if they are/were the largest cellular agent, it will still effect both companies.
Why is it you think the magical name is RAdio Shack? ITS NOT ABOUT RADIO SHACK, It's about Radio Shack carrying Verison product. People will go into Radio Shack looking for Verizon and leave still looking for a Verizon phone. Cingular just does not have a strategy to overcome the public perception of reliability and customer issues.
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this whole debate is not about verizon vs cingular, 10nidgets and i have been debating about radio shack staying the #1 cell phone agent in the world. I beleive it will stay at #1 and he believes they will not. so, yes, the magical word is radio shack and not verizon. If you beleive that radio shack will fall 2nd to best buy or circuit city, then argue that and state logical reason, not a particular love of verizon
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springaf said:
its not a matter of verizon vs cingular, but radio shack vs. circuit city. I dont think that radio shack will take a step down. besides, the shack had .5mil activations last year. do the math, thats about 250,000 verizon acts
Which means they will do about 125,000 Cingular activations or less in 2006
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i actually have to agree with you on this.. i think when shack doesnt have verizon any more i think it will affect them.. compare verizon wireless's subscribers ads to cingular's ads..
Verizon=
1st quarter= 1.64 million
2nd quarter= 1.9 million
3rd quarter= 1.9 million (should get)
Cingular=
1st quarter= 1.4 million
2nd quarter= 1.07 million
3rd quarter= 867,000 customers (reported )
Yeah and the idiots here are saying "We ment to do that" becasue we are working on other things. OMG it's no wonder Cingular limped into the third quater with a paltry number and TRENDING DOWN BIGTIME. 500k 4th quarter.
But hey. "We ment to do that". Like HS data is going to save them.
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Hahah now that is funny, yet true.
I think Cingular needs to focus on their own business other then looking on others and to come up with new products that will do better then the others. I also think that they need to improve their coverage because people are paying money and signing up to Verizon wireless and to the new sprint rapidly and they are leaving Cingular in a hurry. Perhaps when hsdpa comes to the market things will change because Verizon doesn’t really have a competitive high speed data with ev-do rev o or a.
Have you noticed that many people who get Verizon actually does not get their data plans that much because their data arpu is not that good, however it is improving. People pay for their outstanding coverage and th...
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I think Cingular needs to focus on their own business other then looking on others and to come up with new products that will do better then the others. I also think that they need to improve their coverage because people are paying money and signing up to Verizon wireless and to the new sprint rapidly and they are leaving Cingular in a hurry. Perhaps when hsdpa comes to the market things will change because Verizon doesn’t really have a competitive high speed data with ev-do rev o or a.
Have you noticed that many people who get Verizon actually does not get their data plans that much because their data arpu is not that good, however it is improving. People pay for their outstanding coverage and th...
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People buy phones to make calls, they buy notebooks to get on the internet. Internet on a 2" screen is a joke for anything but, well I can't think of anything. Cingular would be better off putting up some towers in places like South Carolina rather then implimentan $80 a month internet service few will pay for.
So you can surf the net quickly with a phone who's redial button is worn out.
So you can surf the net quickly with a phone who's redial button is worn out.
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HSDPA improves voice and data. Call capacity and call quality are both improved. Call capacity on HSDPA is actually greater than CDMA's. That means less dropped calls and no more network busy messages. You're right, people buy phones to make calls. Looks like Cingular's going to be getting a lot more of those people then. 😉
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That sounds fly n' all, but from my understanding (which ain't necessarily a lot), first you guys gotta finish buildilng that HSPDA network, which'll take awhile, and then you got to get everyone onto the HSPDA-capable phones, which'll take awhile.
Don't doubt that whatchoo sayin' is true, but i think its a couple or three years away, right?
Don't doubt that whatchoo sayin' is true, but i think its a couple or three years away, right?
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HSDPA is being deployed on a national scale early next year. They'll quickly fill in the gaps between major markets over the end of next year and into 2007. It doesn't matter whether or not current customers are on the GSM or HSDPA network, the HSDPA network will still draw in more new customers.
Also, as long as HSDPA is deployed in the places where people use their phones the most, the increased capacity and call quality will be noticed. Plus, any HSDPA phone will be able to fall back onto the GSM network where HSDPA isn't available yet. Still the largest digital network in the US. Sounds good, right?
Also, as long as HSDPA is deployed in the places where people use their phones the most, the increased capacity and call quality will be noticed. Plus, any HSDPA phone will be able to fall back onto the GSM network where HSDPA isn't available yet. Still the largest digital network in the US. Sounds good, right?
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Too much too late I'm afraid. It took years for Verizon to achieve what they have. Cingular does not have the luxury of that time nor does it have the hot market Verizon had for the past 5 years.
Thin Betamax.
Thin Betamax.
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Phonebabe69 said:
Too much too late I'm afraid. It took years for Verizon to achieve what they have. Cingular does not have the luxury of that time nor does it have the hot market Verizon had for the past 5 years.
Thin Betamax.
I agree. Public perception is a tough thing to turn around. A few Orange balls bouncing around a slick TV ad is not going to do it. Word of mouth is VERY powerful and when those words come through cell phones that drop calls much too much. Well we know how that story ends.
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As of July RS (RadioShack) was declining in total activations of cellular phones. We were cell phone PIRATES!!!! Now they are extending their "brand". Remember they have more than 2000 different skus in the store at one time and about 150-200 are cell phones and accessories. Of course the commission and spiff off of phones are great, but my indirect rep for Cingular told me that they weren't offering spiff to RS employees. Now I don't know how true that might be, so don't quote me on that.
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There are those here who claim to be educated that believe RS will be Cingular's savior. They seem to forget it's Cingular they are talking about.
When has Cingular done anything right by their employees, agents, ATTWS customers, Cingular customers, Stock holders, on and on.
When has Cingular done anything right by their employees, agents, ATTWS customers, Cingular customers, Stock holders, on and on.
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Speaking of radio shack... their wireless unit is reponsible for 34 percent of sales. (that is pretty high)
they also didnt do well when they release earnings and for guidance.
they actually have been complaining about wireless and their wireless sales, or decreasing.
they also didnt do well when they release earnings and for guidance.
they actually have been complaining about wireless and their wireless sales, or decreasing.
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They do right quite often. Taking the complaints of a small % of the workfoce and applying it to all is simply short sighted.
I am made quite a bit of money from Cingular since their inception, and wireless in general. I also tend to be more realistic about the changes in the industry.
I am made quite a bit of money from Cingular since their inception, and wireless in general. I also tend to be more realistic about the changes in the industry.
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texaswireless said:
They do right quite often. Taking the complaints of a small % of the workfoce and applying it to all is simply short sighted.
I am made quite a bit of money from Cingular since their inception, and wireless in general. I also tend to be more realistic about the changes in the industry.
Really? Well the numbers speak differently and employees have much to do with the success or failure of any organization. You pizz on your employees they pizz on your customers. Business owners HAVE to sell to stay in business. Employees can quit and get other jobs. I do not consider the turn over Cingular has a small % of employees. There are always jobs available in wireless. More then at convieni...
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So tell me, how many Cingular employees do you actually know personally?
The numbers in ANY sales business have high turnover. Wireless is not unique in that measure.
The numbers in ANY sales business have high turnover. Wireless is not unique in that measure.
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So tell me, how many Cingular employees do you actually know personally?
The numbers in ANY sales business have high turnover. Wireless is not unique in that measure.
Reading this forum is all one needs to do to understand the employee discontent between carriers. Cingular has them all beat for disgruntled employees by a huge margin. Its pretty obvious the conditions are terrible and when people dong the same job are getting their commissions cut in HALF....Well you do not need a Doctorate in Business administration to understand there is huge turnover which is not good for any company and signifies underpaid unhappy employees. People are quitting. If people were getting fired I wou...
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You pizz on your employees they pizz on your customers.
Cingular is reducing commissions. Producing employees that are seeking job information in the Verizon forum. Ever hear of a death spiral in business? Its when your best employees leave the terrible ones behind to run a business into the ground. Very hard to turn around with employees who are not even motivated enough to seek a better job elsewhere so they stay putting in time until its over.
Good point, bro. Your frontline workers are your "in the trenches" guys. If they don't show up (aren't motivated to work hard) then your whole biz screws the pooch, sooner or later.
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It always works out that way. the most motivated people seek better positions in life. The others rely on unions to "take care of them." Lots of good thats doing for the UAW and Airline workers.
Cingular is losing the best to their competitors. I do not understand that they cannot see the error in reducing commissions and pay. the best employees suffer the most. Unless they think in their arrogance the phones sell themselves. Well the shellacking they will get by Sprint should wake them up.
Cingular is losing the best to their competitors. I do not understand that they cannot see the error in reducing commissions and pay. the best employees suffer the most. Unless they think in their arrogance the phones sell themselves. Well the shellacking they will get by Sprint should wake them up.
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TenMidgits said:
Cingular is losing the best to their competitors. I do not understand that they cannot see the error in reducing commissions and pay. the best employees suffer the most.
An' that is another good point. You cut commissions, and its your best sales people taking the biggest hit, and then they are the first to bail out and take a job elsewhere.
I guess maybe Cingular figures that those guys are easily replaceable? If thats so, I don't agree wit' them there. Average to bad sales guys are easily replaceable, but the good ones have somethin' special goin' on, and you want to hold onto them as long as you can.
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SystemShock said:TenMidgits said:
Cingular is losing the best to their competitors. I do not understand that they cannot see the error in reducing commissions and pay. the best employees suffer the most.
An' that is another good point. You cut commissions, and its your best sales people taking the biggest hit, and then they are the first to bail out and take a job elsewhere.
I guess maybe Cingular figures that those guys are easily replaceable? If thats so, I don't agree wit' them there. Average to bad sales guys are easily replaceable, but the good ones have somethin' special goin' on, and you want to hold onto them as long as you can.
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Hum, yeah, people keep saying here that Cingular's customer service isn't good, so if that's true the transition period where Radio Hack is getting up to speed selling Cingular & maybe making a lot of mistakes could be pretty tough.
You wanna think they can do it, but Radio Hack employees jus' find new ways of screwin' stuff up.
You wanna think they can do it, but Radio Hack employees jus' find new ways of screwin' stuff up.
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SystemShock said:
Hum, yeah, people keep saying here that Cingular's customer service isn't good, so if that's true the transition period where Radio Hack is getting up to speed selling Cingular & maybe making a lot of mistakes could be pretty tough.
You wanna think they can do it, but Radio Hack employees jus' find new ways of screwin' stuff up.
But hey Cingular does not have to pay them as much as a Cingular rep. They deserve the issues Verizon had with RS customers.
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ya, radio shack will be cingular's savior 🙄 honestly, are you really just a moron or do you have perception and encoding disabilities?
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That sounds like they're treating you like any other indirect agent. There are no more spiffs, but commissions have increased and are tiered to which plan you sell. After two months of these new rates, I think they pay better.
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Simple math for those who get it.
They took away from the FT and lower tier plans and gave to the higher tier plans. You sell better you make more money.
They took away from the FT and lower tier plans and gave to the higher tier plans. You sell better you make more money.
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