No matter what!
No matter how anyone wants to look at it or n it pick the iphone, its a huge gain for cingular and a big loss for verizon. The iphone is going to change the cell industry wether anyone here with verizon wants to admit it or not, that iphone is next generation cell phone for sure! If the iphone is anything like the ipod in terms of stability, ease of use, superior craftsmanship and reliability then watch out because there will be a lot of verizon customers jumping ship for this new phone that does it all! Yes verizon does have new phones and smart phones on the horizon but they are no comparison nor are they getting anywhere near the media attention of the iphone. It's just too bad verizon couldn't get there hands on this bad boy first!!!
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maverick96 said:
there will be a lot of verizon customers jumping ship for this new phone that does it all!
lets not get carried away sure there will be a few cell nerds that will, I for one will not jump ship and go with an inferior carrier for it
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The only peole getting carried away are the ones that think this will not happen. No one has seen a cell phone like this yet, believe me when its released even the most faithful verizon customers on here will be running for this new device. Just wait and see how much more media play this iphone gets before it's released, not to mention apple's reputation for reliabilty and superior craftsmanship, watch out!!!!
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I disagree you act like all the other manufactures will just be sitting around, yes this phone is revolutionary there is know denying that therefore it will force the others to step it up. The mass majority of the pop still wants the free flip!
Once again hardly anyone will be jumping ship!
Once again hardly anyone will be jumping ship!
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yeah, the iphone should be a huge leap for cell phones...but, I really don't think that many people are going to pay $175 to leave one company, then pay $500-$600 to get the iphone. You are looking at close to $800 out of pocket to get this phone if you are in a contract with another carrier.
Trust me, very few people have this kind of scratch. And the people that do, probably don't want to bother with learning a whole new smart phone OS.
Everyone right now is saying they would port out, but I guarantee when this phone comes out, most of those people won't be porting.
This phone will change the landscape of smartphones, but it certainly is NOT a phone for the masses.
Chris
P.S. plus it runs mac OSx, which most people ar...
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Trust me, very few people have this kind of scratch. And the people that do, probably don't want to bother with learning a whole new smart phone OS.
Everyone right now is saying they would port out, but I guarantee when this phone comes out, most of those people won't be porting.
This phone will change the landscape of smartphones, but it certainly is NOT a phone for the masses.
Chris
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yeah, the iphone should be a huge leap for cell phones...but, I really don't think that many people are going to pay $175 to leave one company, then pay $500-$600 to get the iphone. You are looking at close to $800 out of pocket to get this phone if you are in a contract with another carrier.
Trust me, very few people have this kind of scratch. And the people that do, probably don't want to bother with learning a whole new smart phone OS.
Everyone right now is saying they would port out, but I guarantee when this phone comes out, most of those people won't be porting.
This phone will change the landscape of smartphones, but it certainly is NOT a phone for the masses.
P.S. plus it runs mac
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Good points as well system shock...I actually use a Mac, so personally I am very familiar with the OS...but the avg computer user probably isnt.
You are correct in saying that is it really only a win at the high end, this will boost cingular's prestige a little bit, but in terms of overall sales and new add's, I dont think it will do much.
The only people that will buy this phone are: Huge tech junkies, people that use Mac's exclusively and need a smart phone, and a few rich kids who can convince their parents they need this phone...all of these segments are very small pieces of the market.
chris
You are correct in saying that is it really only a win at the high end, this will boost cingular's prestige a little bit, but in terms of overall sales and new add's, I dont think it will do much.
The only people that will buy this phone are: Huge tech junkies, people that use Mac's exclusively and need a smart phone, and a few rich kids who can convince their parents they need this phone...all of these segments are very small pieces of the market.
chris
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But what if market reasearch comes up with the fact that in order for it to be a success they must lower the price...and then they lower the price...it isn't coming out til June.
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If they say its too expensive...then every other smart phone would be too expensive! Treo, 6700, blackberries are all extremely expensive. If someone can spend $500 on a treo, the can spend $500 on the iphone...
I really don't know why people are freakin out about price. Seriously, everyone last one of you would probably pay for this phone if it came to VZN (including myself).
Price WILL NOT be an issue, and as a Mac user, one of the things that I love is that they will not budge on price...they just add features and supply more value to the consumer. This is why apple computers hold their value better--they dont erode their price points.
Chris
I really don't know why people are freakin out about price. Seriously, everyone last one of you would probably pay for this phone if it came to VZN (including myself).
Price WILL NOT be an issue, and as a Mac user, one of the things that I love is that they will not budge on price...they just add features and supply more value to the consumer. This is why apple computers hold their value better--they dont erode their price points.
Chris
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I agree with you on the price Chris, hell 2-3 years ago when the first razr hit on cingular it was 500 bucks with a new contract, and it didn't do anything but look different.
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Exactly! This is a state of the art phone, and they have the right to charge accordingly.
Chris
Chris
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Yeah its real easy to use not to mention it also has excel and word and other windows programs people are familiar with, on apple computers...
This is something Verizon may want to think about...
“[They] were willing to take a really big gamble on us. We decided what the phone is. We decided what software would be on the phone. And so we could make the product we wanted.”
-Steve Jobs (In Newsweek).
This is something Verizon may want to think about...
“[They] were willing to take a really big gamble on us. We decided what the phone is. We decided what software would be on the phone. And so we could make the product we wanted.”
-Steve Jobs (In Newsweek).
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Yeah its real easy to use not to mention it also has excel and word and other windows programs people are familiar with, on apple computers...
This is something Verizon may want to think about...
“[They] were willing to take a really big gamble on us. We decided what the phone is. We decided what software would be on the phone. And so we could make the product we wanted.”
-Steve Jobs (In Newsweek).
The only thing that might keep a Verizon version from coming out is if it has bluetooth, Apple isn't going to have bluetooth crippled on the phone. I believe Apple will want full bluetooth while Verizon doesn't want most file transferring files, especially OBEX. We'll have to wai...
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Sure it's a huge gain, there is alot of buzz around this phone but Verizon High End users might expect a little more before jumping ship. The lack of 3G and e-mail support(unless you count going to a website and login) isn't going to make Blackberry, Palm and WinMo 5 users leave. The form and functionality is very nice, but the price is wrong. Not a Mass Market or Business User phone. Just a Techie and Early Adopter phone. I wonder if VZW is going to pick up the KE850 in response to this or even make a new model with MediaFLO built in along the same lines.
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Well Windows Mobile has so many bugs and its a cranky operating system, so that really isn't a good comparison...one of the reasons palm should have never used windows, and should just stick with their operating system.
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Agreed, WinMo is tempermental, every 5 people I hear complain about crashing, I hear one that says they love it. Palm and BB OS is definately stable. In fact everytime I see a report on BB bugs, they always get resolved. Palm is close but the WinMo Palms keep them from closing open issues. But my over all point... if iPhone doesn't offer a push or any wireless sync operation... they are SOL on getting business users.
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iphone will offer push email services....
"iPhone uses a rich HTML email client that fetches your email in the background from most POP3 or IMAP mail services and displays photos and graphics right along with the text."
"A partnership with Yahoo will allow all iPhone customers to hook up with free push IMAP email"
"iPhone uses a rich HTML email client that fetches your email in the background from most POP3 or IMAP mail services and displays photos and graphics right along with the text."
"A partnership with Yahoo will allow all iPhone customers to hook up with free push IMAP email"
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I can deal with no 3rd party apps. I can deal with the high price. I can deal with
Apple obviously wants to push Microsoft out of the picture. They want you to use Yahoo Mail so you can get free push without an exchange account. That's cool because Yahoo Mail Beta is an excellent online mail service that looks and acts almost exactly like Outlook, for free. One thing though for Mac owners, and I assume the want you to buy Macs as well, the Safari browser doesn't support Yahoo Mail Beta ☹️ Like, major boo boo here or what?
Why would Apple encourage you to switch to a mail service that you can't view on their browser?
Will this be fixed with the new Leopard OS? Do I have to use Firefox just to read my mail?
The point is, Jobs s...
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Apple obviously wants to push Microsoft out of the picture. They want you to use Yahoo Mail so you can get free push without an exchange account. That's cool because Yahoo Mail Beta is an excellent online mail service that looks and acts almost exactly like Outlook, for free. One thing though for Mac owners, and I assume the want you to buy Macs as well, the Safari browser doesn't support Yahoo Mail Beta ☹️ Like, major boo boo here or what?
Why would Apple encourage you to switch to a mail service that you can't view on their browser?
Will this be fixed with the new Leopard OS? Do I have to use Firefox just to read my mail?
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Knowing how Verizon likes to keep only their OS on the phone, they will probably remove the ipod player software, and replace it w/ their own 😢
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Well first of all. Apple wants to release it on the GSM network because it is more widely used WORLD wide. Cingular, being the biggest in the states... gets it. I really doubt that high of a percentage of people are going to drop 175$ on an ETF and then drop another 600$ on this phone. People bitch about buying a phone for 100$... what do you think they are going to think about 600?
Also I know service wise, VZW dominates in my area so I don't have a thought in my mind about switching to cingular just for a phone. I already have a 30gb video iPod (and I love it) and a reliable phone (vx8300 soon to be vx8600). Currently I am selling Cingular for an agent. I assure you not alot of these phones are going to be sold.
Also I know service wise, VZW dominates in my area so I don't have a thought in my mind about switching to cingular just for a phone. I already have a 30gb video iPod (and I love it) and a reliable phone (vx8300 soon to be vx8600). Currently I am selling Cingular for an agent. I assure you not alot of these phones are going to be sold.
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"I assure you not alot of these phones are going to be sold."
I'll have to save this and repost it in July or August for a chuckle.... I honestly don't know how you could look at the specs on this device and not think that a lot of them wont be sold.... the thing is basically a mini-laptop. (and yes, I am an Apple fanboy) It runs off of the best OS currently available, will have full compatability with OS X, its not like a rink-a-dink windows mobile software.... will run the true Sarari browser, runs widgets, heck, it even has an accelerometer... (thats just cool to say!) I remember when ipods first came out, people were like, "who the hell pays 300-400 dollars for an mp3 player when my sony discman works just fine..." we know how that e...
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I'll have to save this and repost it in July or August for a chuckle.... I honestly don't know how you could look at the specs on this device and not think that a lot of them wont be sold.... the thing is basically a mini-laptop. (and yes, I am an Apple fanboy) It runs off of the best OS currently available, will have full compatability with OS X, its not like a rink-a-dink windows mobile software.... will run the true Sarari browser, runs widgets, heck, it even has an accelerometer... (thats just cool to say!) I remember when ipods first came out, people were like, "who the hell pays 300-400 dollars for an mp3 player when my sony discman works just fine..." we know how that e...
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Here is a post I found over at phonenews.com. i will pull out a couple things that stand out to me.
http://www.phonenews.com/content/view/1743/9/ »
"to not support 3G access of any kind"
"not support user installable 3rd party applications or SDK's"
"device will only be sold with a 2 year contract or extension"
"justified the $499 price by claiming the iPhone was more of an iPod than a smartphone"
"also stating so far as to say it will never function like a smartphone"
"media must be loaded to the device using a PC or Mac, and that the iPhone will not support over the air music downloads"
So for all the people that see this as a competition to smart phones...It is not!!! After reading articles on the device, it looks ...
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http://www.phonenews.com/content/view/1743/9/ »
"to not support 3G access of any kind"
"not support user installable 3rd party applications or SDK's"
"device will only be sold with a 2 year contract or extension"
"justified the $499 price by claiming the iPhone was more of an iPod than a smartphone"
"also stating so far as to say it will never function like a smartphone"
"media must be loaded to the device using a PC or Mac, and that the iPhone will not support over the air music downloads"
So for all the people that see this as a competition to smart phones...It is not!!! After reading articles on the device, it looks ...
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any one know how much it will cost to get songs from cingular or apple to put on phone.
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well im going to wait till june to see if it comes out. hasnt been okd by fcc yet. and if they dont come up with an agreement with a certain company. they wont be able to use iphone name. plus if quality is like the ipods. then it is only a step above junk.
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I guess I just don't see why this is the great changer....
What it does have:
Great interface features. As a matter of fact, the functionality of the interface is very impressive and will be a source for many copycatted ideas and likely will be seen on Verizon phones someday. Innovation is innovation and regardless of who or why it happends, it is worth finding out why it is useful and exploiting it.
Likely a pioneer product and it is possible that Apple has already readied designs with scaled down versions of the handset. Hard to say but it would be a good strategy.
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No 3G?! I assume that this would change in a near future generation since we're peaking at 4G just around the corner and what better way to tick off a loyal M...
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What it does have:
Great interface features. As a matter of fact, the functionality of the interface is very impressive and will be a source for many copycatted ideas and likely will be seen on Verizon phones someday. Innovation is innovation and regardless of who or why it happends, it is worth finding out why it is useful and exploiting it.
Likely a pioneer product and it is possible that Apple has already readied designs with scaled down versions of the handset. Hard to say but it would be a good strategy.
Misses:
No 3G?! I assume that this would change in a near future generation since we're peaking at 4G just around the corner and what better way to tick off a loyal M...
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Since no one else has mentioned it I will The majority of computer users in the U.S. are Windows users if I'm not mistaken and with this phone running OSX it seems like only mac users will be the only ones that are truly able to use this phone since the two don't play nice together someone correct me if I'm wrong I'm really curious to see how that aspect plays out
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