Blunders in bluetooth. Verizon still doesn't get it.
I have read the new thread which pleads to the moderators about this.
Here is a HoFo post from Scotland about the issue which is worthy of consideration:
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Here is a HoFo post from Scotland about the issue which is worthy of consideration:
Well on the other side of the coin there is also the argument that one can make more money, and increase customer happiness, by not charging people for transfering ringtones, etc. For example, Vodafone, which owns 45% of Verizon, is arguably much more successful than Verizon in terms of its global presence in the mobile market, and yet it doesn't cripple the Bluetooth in the handsets it sells. By not restricting their customers in sharing content they arguably promote the purchase and use of that content....
Actually, no British network restricts the use of Bluetooth file
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I know at its only going to get worse, you saw the homepage right? 👿
http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2006/10/13/124025 ... »
http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2006/10/13/124025 ... »
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gunny said:
I know at its only going to get worse, you saw the homepage right? 👿
http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2006/10/13/124025 ... »
Yes I did Gunny. Verizon will never go for it until they get their head out of the sand in their back yard.
Michael Foley is under great pressure, I am sure.
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I agree with you. The user should be able to pick the phone with features they want, and then pick the carrier. Only in North America does it work in the opposite fashion.
Take Motorola, for example. You have to pick a country, then a carrier, then a phone model before you can place an order for a phone. So every phone shipped to NA is branded before it leaves the factory.
What's wrong with buying an unbranded phone and getting it flashed with the software you want, like on the Q?
Take Motorola, for example. You have to pick a country, then a carrier, then a phone model before you can place an order for a phone. So every phone shipped to NA is branded before it leaves the factory.
What's wrong with buying an unbranded phone and getting it flashed with the software you want, like on the Q?
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Man i wish that was true, at leaste loosen it up so sprint,alltel,verizon could be compatible, then tmobile+cingular could swap around, that would be a start.
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yeahright said:
Man i wish that was true, at leaste loosen it up so sprint,alltel,verizon could be compatible, then tmobile+cingular could swap around, that would be a start.
Yeah, and it would kill all of the Verizon bashing about the way they retail handsets.
The Consumers Union is working on a new number portability Bill also, which is targeting the issue of phones basically becoming useless when you port over. The different CDMA carriers don't use interchangeable models, or refuse to activate them.
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yup, i wouldn't mind to try out the blade or the nokia 6265i, both are cdma/pcs compatible but not offered by verizon
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If you want full bluetooth, buy a phone without Get It Now. Get It Now is the one that wants to restrict your Bluetooth.
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And which phones are those? some old phone that are featureless, or have buy a PDA. The point is we will not have access to so many upcoming apps, do to nazi verizon. We should be able to choose any phone we want and have full bluetooth access.
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Unfortunately GIN contract with VZW doesnt want you to be able to share games/ringtones/wallpapers so the only phone with full bluetooth would be a PDA. You do have the right to choose, but only from those available. Until VZW dumps GIN, dont expect to see it on a standard flip or bar phone.
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I have been reading your BT post and I am always left wondering. Why does this guy continue to give $ to vz? 🙄
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the_eraser said:
I have been reading your BT post and I am always left wondering. Why does this guy continue to give $ to vz? 🙄
the thing is most all of us really like verizon as are provider and we are just hoping for some change
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You are in the minority on this one friend. I can only speak for the Midwest area that I work in, but in my area no one who has ever come the store cares about bluetooth. Half of the people don't even want to use a bluetooth headset so I really doubt VZW is gonna change thier policies until there is a noticeable fall out of customers over bluetooth and I really really really don't see that happening.
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Another words, of course you are going to say that, and entirely ignore what the entire point of the statement meant.
The point is that why make a phone that does all the procedures it can do, and then restrict it. And why must we hear, "well the majority of MY customers don't care about bluetooth (or UI)." Some customers do. Some customers like to use everything they buy to its fullest. That is like buying an HD tv, and the HD is restricted, not the best example but you have to understand, some of your customers actually like to use their phones to their fullest.
The point is that why make a phone that does all the procedures it can do, and then restrict it. And why must we hear, "well the majority of MY customers don't care about bluetooth (or UI)." Some customers do. Some customers like to use everything they buy to its fullest. That is like buying an HD tv, and the HD is restricted, not the best example but you have to understand, some of your customers actually like to use their phones to their fullest.
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vzwtemp said:
You are in the minority on this one friend
WHAT!!!! REALLY!! get out 😛 I know, but can we agree that there will be more use for bluetooth in the future, and if verizon doesn't swing with the times it could hurt them? like some of the thing mentioned in the article above
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Also I think VZW fight against WiFi Hot Spots is going to come back to haunt them.
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the_eraser said:
I have been reading your BT post and I am always left wondering. Why does this guy continue to give $ to vz? 🙄
"It's the network" which is the reason most users either will, can't or don't switch to begin with. I live in a section of Vermont where I need that network. Also, my phone will not WORK on any other network because of the way the carrier has modified it. Finally, I can not purchase a similar phone in Canada because Verizon blacklists ESN's.
I bought my service years ago when the only thing you really cared about was the voice connection, and all the carriers really offered was network service.
Today, the phones offer OFF-NETWORK services, and the carriers really have...
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You are contradicting yourself... Fisrt you say:
"It's the network" which is the reason most users either will, can't or don't switch to begin with. I live in a section of Vermont where I need that network. Also, my phone will not WORK on any other network because of the way the carrier has modified it"
Then you say:
"Take Bluetooth, cameras and music for example. What gives carriers the right to lock your PERSONAL media onto your phone and force it onto their subscriber network??"
I don't know about you, but I am not into S&M. The moment Vz stopped working for me I went T-Mo, then when T-Mo stopped working for me I went Cingular...
"It's the network" which is the reason most users either will, can't or don't switch to begin with. I live in a section of Vermont where I need that network. Also, my phone will not WORK on any other network because of the way the carrier has modified it"
Then you say:
"Take Bluetooth, cameras and music for example. What gives carriers the right to lock your PERSONAL media onto your phone and force it onto their subscriber network??"
I don't know about you, but I am not into S&M. The moment Vz stopped working for me I went T-Mo, then when T-Mo stopped working for me I went Cingular...
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the_eraser said:
The moment Vz stopped working for me I went T-Mo, then when T-Mo stopped working for me I went Cingular...
You must be a single person with lots of different phones and no family or business plans.
How do you get a VZ phone to work on a T-Mo network? Especially with no ETF.
"The moment VZ stopped working for me" was today, in Galveston, TX. Now I am not going to run out and buy another carriers phone. All I want is to have a phone with the features I want and then put it on the carrier I want, like I have at home. Is that asking too much?
On the other poster's comments about Russia, they are allowed to do it there.
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wnrussell said:
You must be a single person with lots of different phones and no family or business plans.
How do you get a VZ phone to work on a T-Mo network? Especially with no ETF.
"The moment VZ stopped working for me" was today, in Galveston, TX. Now I am not going to run out and buy another carriers phone. All I want is to have a phone with the features I want and then put it on the carrier I want, like I have at home. Is that asking too much?
On the other poster's comments about Russia, they are allowed to do it there.
Ummm, you don't get a Verizon phone to work on a T-Mo network. I think he just meant he switched carriers, and bought a new phone that he liked. And, yes, it is asking ...
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Yeah the comment about the Russia thing is also from Family Guy as well, "In mother Russia, road forks you."
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Oh yeah by the way several Consumer Reports like JD POWER and CNET both rank T-mobile higher in service in the South West, which would include Galveston, which is a black hole in places, especially near St. Louis Pass, Bolivar Point isn't much better either. I always get crappy service with my VZW phone when I am down there.
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ALRIGHT THAT IS BS, I said that Vodafone owned part of Verizon last week, and I was told I was wrong.
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Vodafone and all the other UK carriers use GSM. It's much easier to get around restrictions when you use a GSM carrier.
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sangyup81 said:
Vodafone and all the other UK carriers use GSM. It's much easier to get around restrictions when you use a GSM carrier.
Why?
BT, PCSynch, cameras, alarm clocks and music players aren't dependent on the carrier network at all. They work on the Personal Area Network, or not on any network at all.
They have nothing to do with the subscriber network at all. They work with or without tower reception, whether it is GSM or CDMA.
The CDMA
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BeachSlapped said:
CDMA / VZW = use BREW
GSM = does not
I thought there were several CDMA phones that don't have BREW. The "Phone Finder" on this website will show them to you.
The Nokia 6256i and the Motorola Q are CDMA phones that come to my mind, but take a look:
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php ... »
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you guys totally missed my point
if a GSM carrier restricts bluetooth on their phone, all a customer has to do is get a phone without restricted bluetooth and pop their SIM card in
CDMA carriers are much more able to lock in customers to their crippled BT handsets
if a GSM carrier restricts bluetooth on their phone, all a customer has to do is get a phone without restricted bluetooth and pop their SIM card in
CDMA carriers are much more able to lock in customers to their crippled BT handsets
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sangyup81 said:
you guys totally missed my point...
CDMA carriers are much more able to lock in customers to their crippled BT handsets
Why? What does the carrier network protocol have to do with off-network services like the thread has been discussing?
BT, WI-FI, music players, alarm clocks, vibrators, etc., have nothing to do with GSM vs. CDMA.
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wnrussell said:
The Nokia 6256i and the Motorola Q are CDMA phones that come to my mind, but take a look:
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/finder_results.php ... »
And those were the phones that had full BT.
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Wow this really pissed allot of you off, port and maybe verizon will start to get a clue
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