Merger
You verizon guys are in trouble, when the Merger goes threw, not only is Cingular going to be bigger, but The ATTWS and Cingular Forums will become one. Making Cingular Forum way more active than Verizons. How you like them apples. Lol, just a joke guys. 😉
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Why, harumph!!! That is simply preposterous! You my good sir are insane. Especially since VzW has plans to place cell sites in orbit and on the moon for the new colony that is being placed in the Sea of Tranquility.
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Did you factor in VZW's Sprint merger? Just joking; hey it might be a possibility.
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schnozejt said:
Did you factor in VZW's Sprint merger? Just joking; hey it might be a possibility.
Well, that and VzW will be buying Alltell, Cell One, & T-mobile. Is ther really going to be a comparison?
If anyone truly belives this...
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Any VZW reps rember back in April that e-mail sent out annoucing to us all the companies in the US are needing to merge together to compeat agenst Verizon? That was a riot.
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Biggs said:schnozejt said:
Did you factor in VZW's Sprint merger? Just joking; hey it might be a possibility.
Well, that and VzW will be buying Alltell, Cell One, & T-mobile. Is ther really going to be a comparison?
If anyone truly belives this...
If a T-Mobile, Alltel, CellOne (I thought Cingular had them), and VZW merger were to happen then Cingular would have to change it's logo colors to red rather than maintain the current orange colors b/c that's what they'd be seeing. It'd clearly be a no contest situation. Just wondering though if there really would be a difference for T-Mobile customers being that they are the only GSM Carrier in this picture. Would ...
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I don't think it would be cost effective to purchase a TDMA network. Verizon will more than likely purchase only CDMA towers.
Verizon WS did purchase QWest's (old news) cell towers.
Verizon WS did purchase QWest's (old news) cell towers.
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I found that rather ingenious with Verizon just buying the equipment and SprintPCS turning Qwest into a reseller. Mergeing Billing systems is a serious pain in the ass to go through and alot of billing errors can happen. (I rember each of the times watching Verizon merge systems as it trys to get the current billing system as the primary... oi!)
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WynneFox said:
Mergeing Billing systems is a serious pain in the ass to go through and alot of billing errors can happen. (I rember each of the times watching Verizon merge systems as it trys to get the current billing system as the primary... oi!)
I totally agree with you. When VzW bought Price Comm.(CellOne) down here, my first bill was almost $700! (FamilyShare w/ 3 phones)
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I think Alltel would be a good choice outside of the major 6 carriers...they have a lot of coverage where VZW doesn't and we already have an ass load of roaming agreements with them anyways
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exactly, I mean it would just be smart business:
#1 no more cost for roaming agreements with them
#2 pick up a lot more calling area that would no longer be extended network...so it would put to bed a large chunk of the Cingular argument on MTM and Data feature usage...
#1 no more cost for roaming agreements with them
#2 pick up a lot more calling area that would no longer be extended network...so it would put to bed a large chunk of the Cingular argument on MTM and Data feature usage...
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I have to Agree with you. I sell Alltel, and there are some really good plans too. But, I dont really know if they would sell or not.
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well if they did it would fill in a lot of area for us, mainly: Upper Michigan, the Carolinas, portions of Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kansas and Nebraska...just to name a few...then even with the merger of Cingular and ATT, we would still have the largest network out there
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VZW has no need to buy them though they already have an agreement with altel that they can use thier towers as part of VZW extended network, they don't have the cost maintance, nor do they have to worry about any of the other expenses but still have the ablity to give customers coverage, sounds like a win win situations there.
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the only problem with that is where as yes they do not get charged for roaming they are not on VZW towers so such things as MTM, GIN, and NationalAccess can not be used...that is the only situation I am looking at with that...yeah they don't have to worry about roaming which is wonderful but those such things would be helpful...also being that they are not VZW towers, we get no notification as to where the towers are or if any of them ever go down...also in the larger Extended networks since they are not VZW towers we do not have any of our own store in those areas for customers in those area to go to for trouble shooting and such
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TheVZWMan said:
the only problem with that is where as yes they do not get charged for roaming they are not on VZW towers so such things as MTM, GIN, and NationalAccess can not be used...that is the only situation I am looking at with that...yeah they don't have to worry about roaming which is wonderful but those such things would be helpful...also being that they are not VZW towers, we get no notification as to where the towers are or if any of them ever go down...also in the larger Extended networks since they are not VZW towers we do not have any of our own store in those areas for customers in those area to go to for trouble shooting and such
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even in extended network areas? Why would we sell service in an area that we don't ACTUALLY have service in..interesting
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hey, I'm on ALLTEL and no matter where I go since I moved here to NC I ALWAYS get a roaming signal. So I'm obviously not in an ALLTEL owned area, but there's a retail store right down the street from here.
Plenty of Verizon stores ALL OVER NC, but whether they're in extended network areas or not I'm not sure.
Plenty of Verizon stores ALL OVER NC, but whether they're in extended network areas or not I'm not sure.
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disturbed1 said:
hey, I'm on ALLTEL and no matter where I go since I moved here to NC I ALWAYS get a roaming signal. So I'm obviously not in an ALLTEL owned area, but there's a retail store right down the street from here.
Plenty of Verizon stores ALL OVER NC, but whether they're in extended network areas or not I'm not sure.
Well, have you switched to a NC plan yet. if so, you really dont have to worry about roaming, plus there really isnt a CDMA carrier that has alot of Coverage here in NC.
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no...I was plannin on switching to Cingular when/if I can manage to get a job and afford it. So there didn't seem to be much use in bothering.
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the enhanced services map shows some coverage in nc, actually alot in the west but none towards the coast
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Did you factor in that VZW is growing at a rate of 25% per year, at the expense of other companies. And that Cingular and ATT are expected to have even MORE service problems than they already have due to the transition?
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Just an update, for those interested.
In the second quarter of 2004, Verizon added 1,500,000 new customers (in just 3 months), and Cingular and ATTWS combined added 443,000 new customers in that same period. Verizon now how 40 million customers. Cingular and ATTWS have combined around 46 million. At the rate Verizon is growing, even without additional mergers, VZ may well surpass Cingular sometime after the merger.
In the second quarter of 2004, Verizon added 1,500,000 new customers (in just 3 months), and Cingular and ATTWS combined added 443,000 new customers in that same period. Verizon now how 40 million customers. Cingular and ATTWS have combined around 46 million. At the rate Verizon is growing, even without additional mergers, VZ may well surpass Cingular sometime after the merger.
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which is one of the reason i believe VZW are not very worried over the merger with any merger it takes a good year or two, before the kinks are worked out of the system, and trying to transfer all the towers from attws to cingular, i cannot imagine the work that that would intail, and the ability to have those towers go down, and not service, i have talked to a few ppl on the west coast that hate attws and feel that the service is horrible, so does cinglar realize the condition of the towers they are purchases?
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I think Verizon should buy Jello Corp, that way we can replace test man with bill cosby and have free pudding in the call center.
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SWEET!!! but only if you promise to bring back the pudding pop!! 🤣
Just kidding, they're already back!
Just kidding, they're already back!
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Transferring AT&T towers to Cingular isn't a major problem. Both companies use the same technology so integrating them to work together will be rather easy. The difficult part will be combining the billing systems and what not, which will undoubtedly create billing problems.
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I think what she's tryin to say is that the actual physical workload, not so much the software part, is a BIG undertaking. And she's right, if these towers are ill-placed, improperly configured, or in bad operating condition it'll be a pain in the ass not only for Cingular, but its customers who are relying on the newly acquired ATT towers.
ANY merger comes with it's own individual problems, two nationwide companies CANNOT combine like this and not have a lot of kinks to work out.
ANY merger comes with it's own individual problems, two nationwide companies CANNOT combine like this and not have a lot of kinks to work out.
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Thanks that is exactly what i am trying to say, just trying to know the exact terms is a bit difficult
Thanks that is exactly what i am trying to say, just trying to know the exact terms is a bit difficult
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Yes if you take those two major wireless companys and put them together Cingular will have mor customers than Verizon. What your not realizing is tha Verizon will still have a bigger network. That will result in more dropped calls, longer hold times, and just plain out poor service for ATT and CINGULAR CUSOMERS. What a waste for 42 billon dollars. Cingular is gonna bomb!
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Where did you get the information saying that Verizon will still have a bigger network? Just curious because from what I've heard, Cingular will have surpassed them after the deal closes.
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Only in customer volume. Their network will still be smaller. They took my net acess away at work except a few sites. it will take me a while to dig up some numbers. Ill show you dont worry
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All other company sites are still there and able to be accessed to a point... as well as Amazon.com, Radioshack.com, and bestbuy.com!
yay!
yay!
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I don't know if I'm reading this wrong, or misinterpreting it.
Verizon- Approximately 20,500 cell sites.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/aboutUs/wirelessN ... »
Cingular+AT&T- Approximately 47,100 cell sites.
http://www.cingular.com/about/new_leadership.pdf »
(scroll to page 7, page 9 has a nice map of future combined coverage)
So, even assuming that one of Verizon's cell sites could service twice the amount that a Cingular or AT&T cell site could, Verizon's network would still be smaller. We all know that Cingular will be serving all 100 of the top 100 markets. Verizon will only be serving the top 97. So please correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't see where you can prove that Verizon's network will remain the la...
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Verizon- Approximately 20,500 cell sites.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/aboutUs/wirelessN ... »
Cingular+AT&T- Approximately 47,100 cell sites.
http://www.cingular.com/about/new_leadership.pdf »
(scroll to page 7, page 9 has a nice map of future combined coverage)
So, even assuming that one of Verizon's cell sites could service twice the amount that a Cingular or AT&T cell site could, Verizon's network would still be smaller. We all know that Cingular will be serving all 100 of the top 100 markets. Verizon will only be serving the top 97. So please correct me if I'm wrong, but I just don't see where you can prove that Verizon's network will remain the la...
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you have to remember gsm can only get so good... cingulars map is full of gsm bull.. the verizon cdma is much more relyable and has solid (more) coverage 😕
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Well alot of these companies are moving to WCDMA (?) too it seems to work atop of their GSM network. Rather they keep it data only or not is yet to be seen but it will defently be something to watch out for.
The main thing that is important to most customers when they get a phone though is that they are able to make and receve phone calls. If they can't do that basic thing the whole company is just treading water until they tire and sink. (Surewest anyone?)
Out of all the companies that are up and comeing that I think really need to be watched out for is MetroPCS. NOONE can match what their offers are here in Ca, Unlim calling, unlim Txt and more for a low price. As for network they are rapidly expanding. I've been keeping an eye on th...
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The main thing that is important to most customers when they get a phone though is that they are able to make and receve phone calls. If they can't do that basic thing the whole company is just treading water until they tire and sink. (Surewest anyone?)
Out of all the companies that are up and comeing that I think really need to be watched out for is MetroPCS. NOONE can match what their offers are here in Ca, Unlim calling, unlim Txt and more for a low price. As for network they are rapidly expanding. I've been keeping an eye on th...
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I have worked in Verizon Wireless customer service for 2 years now and I am happy to see this merger. Frankly, Verizon has gotten a little too big for it's britches and need some real competition with another big boy on the block. It's ridiculous how our plans cannot compete in price with other smaller carriers, and we have been last in introducing everything from camera phones to video messaging. As far as PTT goes, it sucks. It's a money loser and don't be surprised to see that service go the way of the old Voice Gear crap.
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I had a customer that for a long while been paying for voice gear on his phone, he did and upgrade and couldn't figure out why his contacts didn't transfer over, after spending 15-20 minutes telling him how voice gear works we both suddenly realized he just been using voice activation on his cell phone... 😛
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