I believe if I read correctly T mobile just did it according to the Cingular forum 1.1 million ads.

Don't ask me why if that is true. But it speaks volumes about GSM vs CDMA technology and the future.

kingfrog77 said:
I believe if I read correctly T mobile just did it according to the Cingular forum 1.1 million ads.

Don't ask me why if that is true. But it speaks volumes about GSM vs CDMA technology and the future.

🤣

ok. whatever you say, elephant boy

Well there you go 85%. I did not have to wait as long as I thought to see GSM adds overtake CDMA.

Cingular will do as I predict and pass Verizon up sooner than I thought. I will be around when that happens. Not IF anymore, but WHEN. And I cannot wait to read your excuses and drivel then.

signed- Elephant Boy!

Not sure if I would light that victory cigar just yet...wait until ptt and video messaging hit the market.

With the time it takes Verizon to release new technology phones, I think, in my opinion based on observation of Verizon's slow ability to react to the extended services M2M In Network"issue" GSM will beat then to that punch as it has with all the newer technologies.

Verizon is under the gun here to maintain its #1 status. the finacial press will have a field day if any GSM carrier knocks then off that perch.

Im not sure if they can react to PTT and Video as fast as their competition.

Kingfrog, do you know how to read? I am begining to wonder, because how do you get TMobile adding 1.1 million new subscriptions as Cingular is going to overtake VZW????? Last quarter Cingular added over 6k new subscribers if I remember correctly. This quarter they added less than 4k....VZW respectively had 1.4 million last quarter and 1.3 this quarter? What are you reading? I pulled these numbers from this very thread.

try 600K and 400K... and it was more than 400K, not less.

399k != 400k I was trying to stay within the same estimates used on the original thread.

Cingular added about 428,000 new subs in 2Q. about 90% of those were postpaid.

I don't consider T mobile a major player in the industry. Perhaps that ought change if the add numbers are correct. If so they do reveal the strength of the GSM technology and what people want. I think this is a trend and I do think Cingular, after the completion of the deal will be the force to contend with and GSM the premiere technology in the next couple years. I do think Cingular had more than 6000 and 4000 adds as you represent though. I believe the number was more like 600K and 400K respectively.

Verizon has the current momentum, no doubt. I just happen to believe and yes hope it is going to slow and reverse at some point.

I am allowed to have my own thought and opinion, correct. My reasons are based on facts as I read and und...
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Well you can believe what you would like thier Kingfrog, and everybody on this forum knows what you BELIEVE...But you could also be dilusional...come to think of it thats all you ever say on here "I believe this I believe that" how bout you stop giving us your opinion as if it is the Word of God....you can believe what you want but you as 1 consumer have no control over an industry covering 100's of millions of people...so again Nostradomus keep looking into our crystal ball, as no GSM company even comes close to our quarterly add on and industry leading churn rates, and eat our dust.. 😛

>>how bout you stop giving us your opinion as if it is the Word of God.

Im flattered that you believe my opinions seemily appear as the WOrd of God to you. But I cannot accept the title.

I will say that if iindeed T mobile had 1.1 million adds last quarter I CANNOT believe your statement regarding no one comes close to Verizon quarterly adds. Happy now?

well if thats the case then tell me this if Cingular is so much better coverage wise and phones etc etc...how is it that Little Ole T-Mobile blew Cingular out of the water then (this is IF those figures are correct)

Advertising and VALUE....Verizon does the first very well...the second not so well. T mobile sells a lot of minutes and data for less then anyone.

I like to call them Teen Mobile. They are credit friendly to the young. I would guess that they add more younger new users on regional plans than either Cingular or Verzon. Kudos to them.

Their phone selection is every bit as good as Cingulars and they offer the same features. Their data is very inexpensive. $49.00 for 3000 whenever minutes is pretty good. 1000 anytime National. they have great plans.

When I was in Atlantic City. T Mobile users were the only carrier who could use their phones in a subterranean club in the Tropicana Hotel.

Have you taken a look at the T-Mobile? Al their customer on there think the phone selection sucks...VZW has the exact same 39.99 1000 Anytime minutes as well but nobody wants those plan cause they don't come with n&w or mtm

kingfrog77 said:
Well there you go 85%. I did not have to wait as long as I thought to see GSM adds overtake CDMA.

Cingular will do as I predict and pass Verizon up sooner than I thought. I will be around when that happens. Not IF anymore, but WHEN. And I cannot wait to read your excuses and drivel then.

signed- Elephant Boy!

those stats he posted were incorrect about the ATT adds. sorry. nice try though

With all the bugs and probs those two carriers have had, how bad will it be when they merge? I envision billing and activation system glitches driving away customers to that CDMA powerhouse....Sprint PCS!!!!

Att is already using Cingular towers. ATT customers have seen their pitiful GSM network expand tremendously. Its the ATT customers left that may feel the growing pains but Im confidant Cingular will keep them content with feebies and candy.

The Airlines once used peanuts & free drinks.

Actually, ATTW users are getting the benefit of Cingular's TDMA towers only...
Cingular customers, however, are getting to use ATTW GSM towers...
how fair is that exchange???

Really? I t was my understanding that ATTWS customers were already using Cingular's GSM capability, but I do not believe Cingualar can roam on ATT towers yet from what I have read until the deal is closed..

Maybe I should have stayed with ATT on TDMA for a few more months! I had issue with TDMA signal in my home. About a qtr mile square black out region. And still had the issue when I arrived home earlier this month. I don't think your assessment of the current situation is correct.

kingfrog77 said:
Maybe I should have stayed with ATT on TDMA for a few more months! I had issue with TDMA signal in my home. About a qtr mile square black out region. And still had the issue when I arrived home earlier this month. I don't think your assessment of the current situation is correct.

I thought you had VZW service...

No never had Verizon. I went to Verizon first when I decided to switch Carriers. a fw stores in fact. The sales reps turned me off. The bashing of GSM turned me off and I really wanted a BT phone anyway.

I looked at the CDMA vs GSM argument and decided although technically CDMA was better, I felt in the end GSM was and is a better value and had humbler reps that did not have to bash their competition in order to sell a product.

So how is it for the past month you complained about our service if you've never even had it!?!?!? Don't be a schmuck

I consider Sales service people as well as CSRs. I have already stated on many occasions my experience with Verizon sales reps.

I also worked with someone in AC who had Verizon and had to buy a go Phone she was so frustrated with the coverage there.

Where the hell is AC? Alberta Canada?

Atlantic City NJ....can you say 17 million population area and Verizon is the also ran in coverage. That was an eye opener for me aftoer hearing and reading about Verizons #1 huge reliable coverage area. But hey a hiker in the Rockies can get a couple bars so who cares.

kingfrog77 said:
Atlantic City NJ....can you say 17 million population area and Verizon is the also ran in coverage.

????

Damn MISSA, how can you be so misinformed. Cingular only uses TDMA for prepaid.

In most areas, ATTWS customers get to use our towers, but not the other way around.

That was my understanding as well. There is a whole T mobile switch and trade out that has to be conducted first as well, out here in the west.

I apologize if I'm mistaken...
I was just regurgitating what I was told by a Cingular corp stare manager.
Peace?

Its frustrating, is it not, when the sales reps are misinforming the customers?

there should be some kind of training or testing required for proficiency. I said it before and again now. In my experience i ended up knowing more than many of the sales reps I spoke to. and Most here would think I still know nothing. I can feel your pain! LOL

No problem Missa

MISSA said:
I apologize if I'm mistaken...
I was just regurgitating what I was told by a Cingular corp stare manager.
Peace?

Wait a Cingular store manager gave out misinformation...I thought that only happened in VZW stores!?!?!?! (complete and total sarcasm)

I like candy!

kingfrog77 said:
Well there you go 85%. I did not have to wait as long as I thought to see GSM adds overtake CDMA.

Cingular will do as I predict and pass Verizon up sooner than I thought. I will be around when that happens. Not IF anymore, but WHEN. And I cannot wait to read your excuses and drivel then.

signed- Elephant Boy!

Can I honestly ask you something? What do YOU care if Cingular passes Verizon in total subscribers? How do you gain anything from that? Bragging rights? The chance to spout more crap than you're already doing? Geeze, man...shut up already. Ugh.

Quiet ATT boy..you are at the bottom of thr food cahin now.

kingfrog77 said:
Quiet ATT boy..you are at the bottom of thr food cahin now.

first of all Muchdrama uses VZW and secondly its funny you should mention ATTWS seeing as how you just switched over from them less than a month ago (now all of a sudden you're too good for them 🤣 )

would you please do us all a favor and go back to the pond you crawled out of

All the Verizon boys should be crowing today as Verizon reported profits 4 cents per share greater than expected. It was responsible for the Market Push of 110+ points today according to CNBC.

kingfrog77 said:
I believe if I read correctly T mobile just did it according to the Cingular forum 1.1 million ads.

Don't ask me why if that is true. But it speaks volumes about GSM vs CDMA technology and the future.

anyone else notice that when the numbers and polls come out the people that like GSM companies (even if it isnt their specific company always come out with a statement like..."oh look, at least this GSM company CAME CLOSE, so CDMA must be on its way out"

🤣

Hey you have to admit VErizon has had a long time in the 'bragging rights" category. And indeed many of you take extreme advantage of it.

45 nillion customers and all that. now that the trend is turning yes I cannt blame the downtrodden GSM fans to want to gloat a bit...as as they say. You have not seen anything yet!

GSM is close, but CDMA is not going anywhere.

that was during the first quarter, i'm sure they did well in the second quarter. But the most telling thing will be the churn rates for the carriers. I guarantee that all the gsm carriers had higher churn than the cdma.

Most likely, as the technology and grwong pains are still not perfect. but that will not be for too much longer. Many like myself jumpin from one GSM carrier ATT to another Cingular.

I am a Verizon customer who is under the "America's Choice Plan". Eveytime I call *611, I get a different answer to this question: Is every Verizon customer allowed to call any other verizon customer for free? Customer service tell me it depends on what plan the other person is on. So that means to me that the in-network is only good on ceratin plans?
If that is true, then Verizon thens to change their commercials.
I live in north central Fl. and my brother lives in N.Y. So you are telling me that NOT ALL Verizon customer CAN NOT call each other?
Would someone please tell me what is the truth, once and for all?
My brother may have a local plan, does that make a defference?
Thanks in advance.

Even I can answer that. Simply NO... not all Verizon customers can call each other just because they both have Verizon plans. This is not like Cingular's M2M where if you get a signal you are ok with M2M.

There is a specific network you have to be in otherwise your minutes are being used or worse you are roaming. Check out the ' "other gold network area map" and you will see where exactly you can use that particular service.

check your phone first though. Make sure you are not roaming!

Good Luck sifting though that quagmire that is Verizon service!

It's true, not all price plans come w/ mobile to mobile or in networg calling. Some older plans dont come w/ it. The commercials you see are for new price plans, which of course come w/ in network calling. If you have a national plan and you call another Verizon wireless customer and both of you are on the in network coverage area then its a free call for you.

Exactly, as long as you are in a digital coverage area, and both of you have verizon, you will have mobile to mobile, although if that person has an older plan, he may have no m-m or little m-m minutes.

Arg guys, stop trying to confuse him.
If
1) You have in-network calling on your plan(most new plans do)
and
If
2) Your phone says VERIZON WIRELESS across the front(Meaning that you are using a VZW tower
not roaming) and
If
3) You are calling or being called by a mobil telephone number that is licensed to Verizon Wireless regardless of where that phone is currently located
Then
the call is free for you.

Thank you for your help kingfrog. I can't decide if I should dump Vrz now and pay the ETF and go with Cingular or wait until my contract is up in 1/2005. 😳

I think you should dump Verizon as long as you are asking.

Well here is a bit of interesting information for you.

IN-Network calling only applies to the person MAKING the call. I've tested this over the last week.

For example I called back home in an extended area in Texas. My caller ID worked, my voicemail notify worked and check this out.. My IN-network calling airtime worked. Extended area on VZW is 1x digital connection yet is most likely using Alltel. I used IN-network time and not my regular minutes. I checked this when I got back home and looked up my bill on e*roes.

My friend then called me while I was in an analog area (non-roaming). My IN-network calling did not apply but his did on his phone. Interesting no?

how did it show up on your bill?

40 minutes used on non-IN network calling

126 minutes used on IN-network calling.

I kept tabs on who I called, where and when. It was a royal pain in the arse but I NEEDED to have this info and our CSR's can't exactly give the correct answer. Its one of those things that no matter how much testing and training you get.. Only true experience will tell.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there an additional monthly charge for IN-Network?

Nope. There is no additional charge for national IN-network calling at all. It is included on all America's Choice national plans $39.99 and up.

Kewl... thought I heard there was a $10 charge... but I seem to remember it having to do with Family Plans.

Right Phonepimp about the family plans.

How that works is you get your basic plan at $39.99 a month. (more if you need it) and attach a 2nd line for $20. Or a 3rd for another $20 or even a 4th for $20 more.

How IN-network family works is this... $10. Thats it. Just $10 total gives each and every family share line unlimited IN-network calling. Factor it over 3 family lines that runs about $23.33 per family share line more or less. So you go from calling each other for free to being able to call ANY VZW customer for free.

With me so far?

Kinda makes sense, but why not include it in family plans too, since its free on the primary line, you are making 20 bux per shared line... seems like the 10 bux would be expendable.

For example, all Family Talk Nation GSM include nationwide M2M on all lines at no additional charge.

Just to add. That is 40.000.000 customers to call for free. 😁

actually, mobile_guru, that is POTENTIALLY 40 million, as not all have national IN-network, and a lot don't have IN at all.

I am speaking from customers point of view.
Let me explain. For example if you have IN net calling then you can call 40 million customers for free, plain and simple.

I hope you understood me correctly this time.

Again, a customer would have to be on a NATIONAL IN net plan for that to apply... a customer with local IN could not.

I don't think so...In Network is a part of the National plans as I read it. Value added and all that.

But it is NOT the entire network. Theres the rub, and yet another cvergage map. I hope for Verizon's sake their customers understand that or there will be a flurry of calls to CSRs with extra charges.

Yeah I know its not the entire network.

What I am saying is that extended area is part of the IN-network calling.

As long as your phone does not say analog area or analog roaming or non-digital extended area then IN-network will work. In fact each and every VZW phone will tell you when features work and when they do not.. Unlike ATTWS which always says ATTWS and racks up the charges. 🤣

Yeah. It's the "as long as " part I have issue with. I cannot speak for ATT although i was with them for 8 years. I never got charged for roaming except when the phone stated I was in roam mode. I was on TDMA. I cannot speak for ATTWS GSM.

The calls made when roaming in retrospect were of terrible aural quality and the battery seemed to die sooner when traveling on the highways and byways. I would have to just turn the phone off unless I needed to make a call.

The technology has come pretty far. Not far enough for many of those who cannot remeber a time when there were no mobile phones at all not very long ago!

How about them bag phones? 🤣

The big thing about GSM plans is that if you roam on ATTWS network, the phone does not say roam or extended area EVER. Pretty much you are praying to whomever that you are not roaming.

yeah that flurry never came there KingFrog...we've had the free in network out since 2/2/04 not really any problems with service level on it, just another disgruntled ex-VZW customer claim pulled out from mid air no fact in that whatsoever

Hey VZW Man, any new plans, 7pm N/W coming down the pike soon?

You are asking if the company with the largest customer base who just came out with mobile 2 mobile which I am sure cost them plenty of minutes (imagine if it was across the entire network) if they will now offer 7PM nights?

All those customers talking to each othe free, and then beginning at 7PM will certainly create some finacial strain to the bottom line.

I was told the FCC will not allow Verizon the 7Pm night thing by a Verizon rep. Monopoly rules or something.

Sorry pterok, Kingfish, who is in no way shape or form a part of VZW forgot his Midol today...at this point in time we as reps have no clue whats coming up...they usually do nmot let us know until it's pretty much on us...I can tell you that as of this coming Mondya 8/2/04 we will be starting a new promotional period and that would be the best time to check and see if we have anything new going on! Hope this helps

Thanx :-) I will say that Verizon da BOMB for service. I got used to the fact you could buy a phone and spread it over 3 mos. Can't do it anymore I assume due to people not paying for the phone and getting shut off.

thats is one of the reasons yes...

Would you dare to admit if it were so? I think not. And I am not an ex Verizon customer. A fact you seeminly pulled from mid air. You see you a fallible as well, even though you work for Verizon.

Another gem of mid air pulling from you...no one comes close to Verizon adds. T mobile did if you believe the reports here. Even I find that hard to believe, but kudos to them and their advertising!

Seems my crystal ball is working better then yours.

well as far as I'm aware T-Mobile has not come out with their 2q results, so as to where that 1/1 mill came from I have no clue...I don't have a crystal ball I just go by what I can prove...as for you being a VZW customer I was sorely wrong...but with all the b*tching and moaning you do about us it seems like you were with us for 15 years and we killed your dog...

That's the #min reader, which doesn't factor in what area your buddy is in. #min is just an estimate. Check your call log on your next bill. CSR's can't give out info on who just called your phone 10 minutes ago.

I know that. hence why I used e*roes.

I don't use e*roes as much as you, but doen't it use the #min reader just like in our cust service program. Or does eroes use a completely different #min reader from what we have in customer service and what customer's use?

e*roes gives it broken down as peak, off/p, IN-net, N/W. It's not as accurate as say when I call into CSR to get a full detail. Also my detailed billing (yeah I burned the $2.00 this month) gave me a full load-out of my calls.

yeah. I have to tell ya though. That whole In Network M2M thing is way to complicated and seemingly requires alot of checks and balances to implement. I know they are trying to compete with the free M2M thing but really,

As an aside, with such a large Verizon user base, one would think a M2M like Cingulars on the entire network would cost them a fortune in lost revenue and/or plan minutes used. Maybe thats why all the complications of geography and signal type issues, analog/digital etc. It "appears" they now have M2M without really having it to the extent of the other carriers. ya know. Marketing and all that fine print.

The local plans that come w/ in network or mobile 2 mobile calling is for local calling only. Basically, its a free call if the Verizon wireless customer and you are on the in network coverage and both of you are in the local coverage area.

If your brother is on a local plan and your not and both of you are on the in network coverage, then it would be a free call for you, not him(thats given that you're out of his local coverage area)

If this , If that , when you are here, In this Network, and your phone says this, well jst maybe then the call to your brother will be "free"

Can you make it any MORE complicated Verizon?

See thats the mistake right there.

Get off a local plan. They are completely
IDENTICAL to the americas choice national plans. And you get better benefits from the national IN-network.

In fact I don't even have local digital choice brochures in my store. They are a waste. The direct store down the street doesn't have the local plan brochures either.

Honestly 80-90% of all VZW sales people don't know the local digital choice plans even exist anymore.