Activateing old phone
my sister lost her phone her boss gave her an older one (with no gps) she went to a store and they told her she could no activate it i know you used to be able to sign a waver is that not possible anymore
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I think you dont really understand about what is law. It was mandated and law that all carriers must have a way to track or pinpoint a callers location; hence, GPS.
However the carrier designs a means to locate the caller is what matters. Verizon using the gps in the phone...other carriers that don't have gps phones (like to tmo or whoever) utilize different means to locate a person...i.e., through location with the tower....
There are carriers that will activate any phone gps or not! Like PagePlus...and etc..
However the carrier designs a means to locate the caller is what matters. Verizon using the gps in the phone...other carriers that don't have gps phones (like to tmo or whoever) utilize different means to locate a person...i.e., through location with the tower....
There are carriers that will activate any phone gps or not! Like PagePlus...and etc..
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I'm sorry to inform you, but YOU are incorrect.
It is an FCC mandate that nearly all of the devices activated on a carrier's network must be E911 compliant, which means built in GPS capablities.
Carriers have known about it for some time and it was not until last year that the deadline came and cellular carriers were required to comply.
Some carriers had issues meeting the percentage, but the general idea still stands.
The wireless carriers did not actively make the decision to allow or disallow non-GPS capable devices on their networks (as your post implies). This decision was handed down to them from the FCC and therefore is about as close to a law as you can be.
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It is an FCC mandate that nearly all of the devices activated on a carrier's network must be E911 compliant, which means built in GPS capablities.
Carriers have known about it for some time and it was not until last year that the deadline came and cellular carriers were required to comply.
Some carriers had issues meeting the percentage, but the general idea still stands.
The wireless carriers did not actively make the decision to allow or disallow non-GPS capable devices on their networks (as your post implies). This decision was handed down to them from the FCC and therefore is about as close to a law as you can be.
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E911 capability is mandated by law, GPS is not. Some carriers do not use GPS for location purposes but instead triangulate based on the relative distance of the phone to each of several towers.
VZW uses GPS which is the superior system, however, GPS is not mandated by law.
In any case you are SOL if you want to activate an older phone. Not Verizon's fault though.
VZW uses GPS which is the superior system, however, GPS is not mandated by law.
In any case you are SOL if you want to activate an older phone. Not Verizon's fault though.
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Wrong...the mandate is that a certain percentage of phones that any carrier has in use has to be GPS (not just locatable) compliant. If their percentage is less then whatever mark that was set...then the carrier starts to be penalized. Nextel was lagging severely because people just didn't upgrade phones. They kept thier i90s and i60s that worked awesome. Plus they were geared towards businesses who don't require the lastest fad...just communication tools.
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https://www.phonescoop.com/glossary/term.php?gid=228 »
E-911
Enhanced 911
The wireless Enhanced 911 (E911) rules seek to improve the effectiveness and reliability of wireless emergency service by providing 911 dispatchers with additional information on wireless 911 calls.
The wireless E911 program is divided into two parts - Phase I and Phase II.
Phase I requires carriers, upon appropriate request by a local Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP), to report the telephone number of a wireless 911 caller and the location of the antenna that received the call.
Phase II requires wireless carriers to provide far more precise location information, within 50 to 300 meters in most cases, using technologies such as A-GPS and U-TDOA....
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E-911
Enhanced 911
The wireless Enhanced 911 (E911) rules seek to improve the effectiveness and reliability of wireless emergency service by providing 911 dispatchers with additional information on wireless 911 calls.
The wireless E911 program is divided into two parts - Phase I and Phase II.
Phase I requires carriers, upon appropriate request by a local Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP), to report the telephone number of a wireless 911 caller and the location of the antenna that received the call.
Phase II requires wireless carriers to provide far more precise location information, within 50 to 300 meters in most cases, using technologies such as A-GPS and U-TDOA....
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"This artical didnt say every phone had to be gps? Or did it? "
No, the article did not say that every phone had to be GPS, and neither did either of us. I guess you have a literacy problem too. We said MOST phones (80% - 90% - I don't remember the specific number) had to be E911 compliant. In order to meet E911 compliancy, the phones have to have GPS capablilities.
I can't speak to GSM networks (Anxiovert or TexasWireless, care to lend a hand), but VZW, Sprint, Nextel, Alltel, etc. were all required to comply, and therefore were requrired to have ***ALMOST ALL*** phones GPS capable.
I think you may be confused...
No, the article did not say that every phone had to be GPS, and neither did either of us. I guess you have a literacy problem too. We said MOST phones (80% - 90% - I don't remember the specific number) had to be E911 compliant. In order to meet E911 compliancy, the phones have to have GPS capablilities.
I can't speak to GSM networks (Anxiovert or TexasWireless, care to lend a hand), but VZW, Sprint, Nextel, Alltel, etc. were all required to comply, and therefore were requrired to have ***ALMOST ALL*** phones GPS capable.
I think you may be confused...
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GSM carriers use a network-based technology for E-911 that doesn't require GPS in the phone. The technology that they use, use 3 cell sites to triangulate the location. GSM phones don't use GPS in the phone - it's all tower-based, so old phones are arent a problem.
You will not find a gsm phone with gps!
Your quote----We said MOST phones (80% - 90% - I don't remember the specific number) had to be E911 compliant. In order to meet E911 compliancy, the phones have to have GPS capablilities.
Their phones do not have gps capablities! So how could 80 or 90 percent be e911 compliant or have gps capabilities when it doesnt exist in the phone...
Your problem is literacy but ignorance!
You will not find a gsm phone with gps!
Your quote----We said MOST phones (80% - 90% - I don't remember the specific number) had to be E911 compliant. In order to meet E911 compliancy, the phones have to have GPS capablilities.
Their phones do not have gps capablities! So how could 80 or 90 percent be e911 compliant or have gps capabilities when it doesnt exist in the phone...
Your problem is literacy but ignorance!
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gsm is irrelivant to this guys post he is a vzw customer and last i checked they dont use gsm.
also i find it hard to believe that gsm carriers would use this three tower triangulation style. there are alot of rural areas where there are not three towers, one or twoper town. how do they do it there? they just sol?
also i find it hard to believe that gsm carriers would use this three tower triangulation style. there are alot of rural areas where there are not three towers, one or twoper town. how do they do it there? they just sol?
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Phase II requires that the 911 center be able to locate the cell phone making the call within 50 feet of the phone. Even the best triangulation cannot do this. Also what about areas that have only 1 tower servicing that area? This carrier would not be compliant. The only way a carrier can offer a phone that is e911 compliant is if it has aGPS. So yes, they are requiring the phones to have aGPS built into the phone.
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I still beleive that anyone mandating GPS is way to much "big brother" for me.........no way around it, but still don't like it.
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Why do people have to be so shiatty with each other when having a discussion?
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I considered buying an old phone to keep around in case mine bites the dust before my NE2 comes up. Won't do me any good if I can't activate it, though.
So how can I tell which older phone can be activated? Is there something in the menu that will tell me it has the requisite GPS data for E911?
Thank you,
Phoebe
So how can I tell which older phone can be activated? Is there something in the menu that will tell me it has the requisite GPS data for E911?
Thank you,
Phoebe
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