A New Bill is the end for verizon?
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i don't think it makes since. There is still a healthy competition between carriers. Why does there need to be competition in how you get your phones for a certain carrier. There is already competition between direct, indirect and internet sales. what more competition do they need. If that wasn't enogh there is still more competition between manufacturers with in a carrier. Motorola wants people to buy a RAZR while LG want people to buy a "V" (9800). I am no socialist, but i think there is plenty of competition why force us to hae another one.
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i don't think it makes since. There is still a healthy competition between carriers. Why does there need to be competition in how you get your phones for a certain carrier. There is already competition between direct, indirect and internet sales. what more competition do they need. If that wasn't enogh there is still more competition between manufacturers with in a carrier. Motorola wants people to buy a RAZR while LG want people to buy a "V" (9800). I am no socialist, but i think there is plenty of competition why force us to hae another one.
I completely disagree. This is the same thing that happened to the Land Line industry. And it was phenomenal for competition and signif...
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SForsyth01 said:...i can here me now said:
i don't think it makes since. There is still a healthy competition between carriers. Why does there need to be competition in how you get your phones for a certain carrier. There is already competition between direct, indirect and internet sales. what more competition do they need. If that wasn't enogh there is still more competition between manufacturers with in a carrier. Motorola wants people to buy a RAZR while LG want people to buy a "V" (9800). I am no socialist, but i think there is plenty of competition why force us to hae another one.
I completely disagree. This is the same thing that happened to the Land Line industry. And it was
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Exactly. Deregulation already happened and that's how there's 5-7 carriers in every market now.
This is the dumbest thing I've heard today and I've been on the phone all day....
This is the dumbest thing I've heard today and I've been on the phone all day....
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I agree. This guy needs to get a grip. I would love to see the look on a senator's face when he/she reads this over and tries to hold back the laughter. Great for for a high school/college writing project, no so much for petitioning legislation. Nice try...
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mekong77 said:
I agree. This guy needs to get a grip. I would love to see the look on a senator's face when he/she reads this over and tries to hold back the laughter. Great for for a high school/college writing project, no so much for petitioning legislation. Nice try...
Actually, the Bill is in the third draft already:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/action/ »
Why should it hurt Verizon? How else can you really have number portability without handset portability??
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what are you talking about??? The number is not synonomous with the handset. The handset is just a means to use the phone number. This whole idea is idiodic. Handsets are sold subsidized, so how much lower does one expect the carrier to sell phones for, when they are already sold at a loss.
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what are you talking about??? The number is not synonomous with the handset. The handset is just a means to use the phone number. This whole idea is idiodic. Handsets are sold subsidized, so how much lower does one expect the carrier to sell phones for, when they are already sold at a loss.
You atre exactly right! The number should not be locked into the handset, but the CDMA carriers are effectively making it so that you can't move between carriers in a different way. They are making their own user interface that can't be moved from carrier to carrier. Nokia, Samsung and Motorola have strict orders to stop selling generic handsets in the USA.
Say you buy a new CDMA RAZR from AllTe...
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well different companies excpect different things from there equipment, yes in the pass a phone was a phone and in most cases could be used with multiple providers, now as the equipment is capable doing more and the services that the providers offere is much different.
sprint offers there pcs powervision much different from verizons vcast service now to force these companies to come to some kind of standard is un constitutional. âšī¸
sprint offers there pcs powervision much different from verizons vcast service now to force these companies to come to some kind of standard is un constitutional. âšī¸
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you can do that.....just don't expect your settings to all work the way they did on Alltel's network. That's because they use a different software platform. Otherwise, Verizon will activate a CDMA phone so long as it meets e911 specifications. That's why you can buy CDMA equip from www.wirlessimports.com and activate it for VzW. Sprint is the one who locks all of their equip. Verizon phones are technically unlocked, but the way CDMA carriers work, your SMS, Internet, and extra features won't be compatible. There can't be a law forcing all carriers to use the same software because that would be a violation of the very laws and statutes that you seem to think they are so eggregiously in violation of.
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you can do that.....just don't expect your settings to all work the way they did on Alltel's network. That's because they use a different software platform. Otherwise, Verizon will activate a CDMA phone so long as it meets e911 specifications. That's why you can buy CDMA equip from www.wirlessimports.com and activate it for VzW. Sprint is the one who locks all of their equip. Verizon phones are technically unlocked, but the way CDMA carriers work, your SMS, Internet, and extra features won't be compatible. There can't be a law forcing all carriers to use the same software because that would be a violation of the very laws and statutes that you seem to think they are so eggregiously in violation of.
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regine44 said:
http://www.nuclearelephant.com/papers/wireless_bill.txt »
your thoughts please?
My thoughts are this is fake. True legal bills being presented to congress have significantly more legal jargin in them than this does. While its a GREAT idea, I don't think we will see anything like this anytime soon.
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Questions
Where is the Bill Number. Is in front on the Senate or Congress? Is it a State bill? If so, which one? WEhere is the sixth point?
Where is the Bill Number. Is in front on the Senate or Congress? Is it a State bill? If so, which one? WEhere is the sixth point?
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There is none. :-) The last point on the "bill" says it all. That's a gripe by a disgruntled customer with nothing better to do, nothing more. Nice try, though.
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mekong77 said:
There is none. :-) The last point on the "bill" says it all. That's a gripe by a disgruntled customer with nothing better to do, nothing more. Nice try, though.
More than just a try. He is the guy who publicized the V710 scandal in Pen Computing Magazine, and for Wall Street Journal:
http://www.pencomputing.com/wireless/motorolav710.html »
Also he wrote that bill at request by a Congressman.
More papers and appearances here:
http://www.nuclearelephant.com/ »
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I think it's a Verizon customer who's frustrated with his carrier for locking out the phone and then tries to see if he could activate a Sprint phone on his plan only to find out he couldn't.
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Haven't you guys learned yet that Verizon makes the best of everything?? If this were to become a law Verizon would be all over it and make it sound so great to the customers. They would be telling people how "for" the law they are and how they are going to be the first to do it and this and that. They are great at marketing strategies. Just look at LNP. Verizon loves LNP while a lot of carriers dreaded it.
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Try this organization for a change...
http://www.hearusnow.org/wireless/ »
Or this one also
http://www.eff.org »
Here is what will end the Billing Practices
http://www.hearusnow.org/wireless/14/ »
http://www.hearusnow.org/wireless/ »
Or this one also
http://www.eff.org »
Here is what will end the Billing Practices
http://www.hearusnow.org/wireless/14/ »
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I can't help thinking in many ways this would be a good idea, it may drive down the price of the phones a bit if a manufacturer doesn't have to program the same phone for three different carriers. However, I'm concerned about the impact it will make on customer service. If I buy a Sprint phone, and put it on a Verizon account, I have no chance of getting tech support on the phone. Verizon employees, whether it be store or customer service, are familiar with their phones first and competitors' only in a general sense. Ever called them to ask about features on an old or obscure phone? They have to read the same manual you have, and have no additional experience or information. Call them on a common or popular phone, and they'll tell you som...
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I can't help thinking in many ways this would be a good idea, it may drive down the price of the phones a bit if a manufacturer doesn't have to program the same phone for three different carriers. However, I'm concerned about the impact it will make on customer service. If I buy a Sprint phone, and put it on a Verizon account, I have no chance of getting tech support on the phone. Verizon employees, whether it be store or customer service, are familiar with their phones first and competitors' only in a general sense. Ever called them to ask about features on an old or obscure phone? They have to read the same manual you have, and have no additional experience or information. Call them on a common
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That is not even close to the same thing. Dell, Gateway, or IBM don't have network available to use your computer on. A better analogy would be having a Dell and calling Gateway for support. Or having Linux and calling Microsoft for support.
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Regardless of what people opinions are!!!! Verizon Wireless is providing a service to the consumer period...its the consumer choice in what service provider he or she is going with. if the consumer wants to chose a carrier that cripples phones or other features that is the consumers choice, and if they didnt know about the crippling, the consumer should have taken responsibility of doing research before buying this service in the first place!!! i understand the frustration of the people who purchased a v710 and where unhappy but that has been resolved and we need to move on!!!!! And for the people that are hard up for uncrippled services and phones then go to another carrier that provides that. because we all know they are out there. PLEA...
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How long have you been drinking the cool-aid? In a consumer-oriented society, the company that is able to most efficiently and quickly adapt to the pulse of the consumer will come out ahead. Verizon's market position has given it the veritable goose with the golden egg and it is in the process of squeezing it. Methinks, Verizon, if it isn't careful, will have squeezed just a little too hard. I might add that I'm not the only consumer who feels this way as one can see from the widespread sentiment among the more knowledgeable users of cellular service on this and other sites. I will tell you this, and I hope someone in a position to make decisions and not an in-the-trenches kind of person like yourself with no authority sees this, the mi...
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Verizon treats it's customers horribly...
That's how they added record numbers of new customers and lost record low numbers right? You haven't seen that they are the only company to make the right decisions every year and always stay profitable?
That's how they added record numbers of new customers and lost record low numbers right? You haven't seen that they are the only company to make the right decisions every year and always stay profitable?
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Its not that I'm closed minded about the OBEX profiles being DISABLED or thinking that VZW is the greatest company in the world!!!! I'm just stating that VZW is a company looking to make profit. I'm a advocate for having OBEX profiles open on phones and yes i would like VZW to unlock these profiles, but until VZW has a guarantee that hackers or people that love stealing either music games etc... VZW has a right to protect their service, products, and network. i know it sucks but continued complaining will not stop VZW.
Everyone has their complaints about one thing or another. I am just tired of hearing the same old crap just presented in a different package!!!! JUST LET IT GO!!!! đ
Everyone has their complaints about one thing or another. I am just tired of hearing the same old crap just presented in a different package!!!! JUST LET IT GO!!!! đ
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vzwinagent said:
That is not even close to the same thing. Dell, Gateway, or IBM don't have network available to use your computer on. A better analogy would be having a Dell and calling Gateway for support. Or having Linux and calling Microsoft for support.
No, the point was you can have choice of hardware when putting computers on a network.
With cell phones, the carriers try everything they can to get a lock on the equipment so you can't move it to another carrier. Computer makers don't do that.
Number portability legislation anticipated a reasonable degree of network compatability however blacklisting of ESNs has hurt that.
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That little piece of "legislature" is bollocks. It would directly infringe on the terms of service established by VZW and its customer(s) that have been agreed to by both parties.
There is no legal measure to force a company to manufacture or design a product based upon customer expectations and not their own. VZW owns their network, supports their network, leases the rights to roam on neighboring networks, and finally provides the customer an access point, aka cell phone, to use their network. It is VZW perogative to determine how their network will be accessed and how the services they offer will be used. If VZW determines that by enabling OBEX on phones that have BREW as part of the UI, may allow savvy theives the ability to steal ...
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There is no legal measure to force a company to manufacture or design a product based upon customer expectations and not their own. VZW owns their network, supports their network, leases the rights to roam on neighboring networks, and finally provides the customer an access point, aka cell phone, to use their network. It is VZW perogative to determine how their network will be accessed and how the services they offer will be used. If VZW determines that by enabling OBEX on phones that have BREW as part of the UI, may allow savvy theives the ability to steal ...
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That little piece of "legislature" is bollocks. It would directly infringe on the terms of service established by VZW and its customer(s) that have been agreed to by both parties.
There is no legal measure to force a company to manufacture or design a product based upon customer expectations and not their own. VZW owns their network, supports their network, leases the rights to roam on neighboring networks, and finally provides the customer an access point, aka cell phone, to use their network. It is VZW perogative to determine how their network will be accessed and how the services they offer will be used. If VZW determines that by enabling OBEX on phones that have BREW as part of the UI, may allow sa
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adilus said:
There is no legal measure to force a company to manufacture or design a product based upon customer expectations and not their own. VZW owns their network, supports their network, leases the rights to roam on neighboring networks, and finally provides the customer an access point, aka cell phone, to use their network... In this case disabling OBEX on BT phones. I don't like but that is what they are doing.
Oh yeah, VZW has never limited the primary function of a cell phone... that is making and recieving phone calls where there was a signal...
It has only ever limited secondary functions and non-essential functions.
Well, really, the customer buys and owns the phone. Verizon is just...
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You don't get it do you. Its not about the phone... for Verizon Wireless (not the landline service) it was never about the phone. Its about the network. Its about being able to access the network and that is what Verizon Wireless owns. What good is a phone thats the dogs bollocks when you don't have a network? Because VZW controls how we the users access the network, they can also dictate how and on what equipment to use as well.
I don't like it... I really don't like VZW anymore either. I just had to increase my minutes last November and again with the contract renewal. My daughter has Ampd which she likes so far and the bills haven't been bad, I just got her second and she has the unlmted txting package which she uses to the tune...
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I don't like it... I really don't like VZW anymore either. I just had to increase my minutes last November and again with the contract renewal. My daughter has Ampd which she likes so far and the bills haven't been bad, I just got her second and she has the unlmted txting package which she uses to the tune...
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Very true, and it is a fact, the customer buys and owns the phone. Verizon is just a retailer for the companies that design, manufacture and market the phones for many carriers.
Verizon does offer carrier services for both land and wireless users. But that does not give them the right to monopolize the equipment too. Networks and equipment don't need to be bought from the same company!
What is wrong with giving the customer the option of putting third-party handsets onto the network if they are flashed with approved software?
Verizon does offer carrier services for both land and wireless users. But that does not give them the right to monopolize the equipment too. Networks and equipment don't need to be bought from the same company!
What is wrong with giving the customer the option of putting third-party handsets onto the network if they are flashed with approved software?
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I think third party phones are a bad idea. Flashing the phone is not all that goes into the phone to make it operate on a network. Also with third party phones you can't guarentee the quality of service the person would recieve. I can guarentee you that if they dropped calls repeatedly they wouldn't call the manufacterer of the phone. Because VZW controls the phones, software and features they can handle all the troubleshooting as well. This also allows them to take responsability for all quality issues good or bad. It's always nice to have someone to point a finger at when your phone doesn't work. I don't believe Time-Warner is going guarentee the service of my computer. I also don't believe they would replace my computer if I got a virus w...
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I think third party phones are a bad idea. Flashing the phone is not all that goes into the phone to make it operate on a network. Also with third party phones you can't guarentee the quality of service the person would recieve. I can guarentee you that if they dropped calls repeatedly they wouldn't call the manufacterer of the phone. Because VZW controls the phones, software and features they can handle all the troubleshooting as well. This also allows them to take responsability for all quality issues good or bad. It's always nice to have someone to point a finger at when your phone doesn't work. I don't believe Time-Warner is going guarentee the service of my computer. I also don't believe they wo
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