A PETITION FOR VERIZONWIRELESS TO "GET 'RID OF' IT NOW"
I've read this "petition". The author, IMHO, has a BASIC, at best, understanding of how to write a petition. I won't sign it. Not because VZW is profitting from GIN and VCast, but because the author rambles on in two paragraphs what could have been clearly stated in ONE. AND it isn't reall worded cocisly, let alone clearly.
I AM NOT FLAMING the OP. Just stating my opinion.
I AM NOT FLAMING the OP. Just stating my opinion.
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Wow. 2 whole sigs. LOOK OUT VZW!!
If you don't like GIN, don't use it. Don't like it as the only option, go elsewhere.
Cell phones already have enough problems with software and hardware issues. Opening up a phone to run software from Jimbo's Javaganza is inviting problems. PC troubleshooting w/ software is guesswork most of the time and I don't have the time to do that on a cell phone. Most people can't even operate the very simple GIN so there's no reason to allow it to get more complicated.
If you don't like GIN, don't use it. Don't like it as the only option, go elsewhere.
Cell phones already have enough problems with software and hardware issues. Opening up a phone to run software from Jimbo's Javaganza is inviting problems. PC troubleshooting w/ software is guesswork most of the time and I don't have the time to do that on a cell phone. Most people can't even operate the very simple GIN so there's no reason to allow it to get more complicated.
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You should also remind people that truly free CHEASE is ONLY AVALIABLE in the mousetrap 😁
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Kvazzz: If you think nothing bad can come from big corporations I invite you to read this one.
SONY had released a ROOT KIT (Remote Administratorion Software)
With their "PROTECTED" music cd's for windows.
It was discovered during haloween.
This is a CNET article describing it breifly.
http://news.com.com/Who+has+the+right+to+control+you ... »
SONY had released a ROOT KIT (Remote Administratorion Software)
With their "PROTECTED" music cd's for windows.
It was discovered during haloween.
This is a CNET article describing it breifly.
http://news.com.com/Who+has+the+right+to+control+you ... »
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Yeah... It was pretty silly move from Sony I agree. And honestly, I'm guilty of downloading music 🤭 ...
But, I don't call let's say WB and tell them "Oh, people on emule get their movies for free, you should start giving your movies out too..." 😲
Does this make sense? 😎
But, I don't call let's say WB and tell them "Oh, people on emule get their movies for free, you should start giving your movies out too..." 😲
Does this make sense? 😎
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Well yeah. However if you have zero control of the
equipment you supposedly own or will own. Then do you really own it?
The cable companies RENT the equipment to you, thereby they can lock you out of their cablebox.
Any service provider will always try to lock the customer out of the CPE (Customer Premise Equipment) for one or another reason.
As mobile phones move closer and closer to becoming portable computers the grey area will grow wider.
No let's say you did not pay for some licensed ringtone or background or screensaver. Thats bad!
But lets say you are creative enough to devise your own ringtone or background or Java micro Edition Software. Or have an SDK for Windows 2003 mobile/Windows CE Embedded. (Like I do.)
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equipment you supposedly own or will own. Then do you really own it?
The cable companies RENT the equipment to you, thereby they can lock you out of their cablebox.
Any service provider will always try to lock the customer out of the CPE (Customer Premise Equipment) for one or another reason.
As mobile phones move closer and closer to becoming portable computers the grey area will grow wider.
No let's say you did not pay for some licensed ringtone or background or screensaver. Thats bad!
But lets say you are creative enough to devise your own ringtone or background or Java micro Edition Software. Or have an SDK for Windows 2003 mobile/Windows CE Embedded. (Like I do.)
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You do have some voluntary control over it though. You can choose not to use their service. Oh my god, can it be that simple? yes, it can. If you don't like Verizon and how they choose to run THEIR service, then don't use it.
I don't like AOL. I think that they are manipulative, controlling, and are just not a good service to use. Do you know how I deal with them forcing their customers to use their programs? I am not a customer.
This is not some federally mandated phone service. You don't have any constitutional right to download ringtones from Jamster. If you want it that bad, then use a service that allows it. If you are in a contract with Verizon and won't leave it to do that, then it means 2 things.....
1. You signed a c...
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I don't like AOL. I think that they are manipulative, controlling, and are just not a good service to use. Do you know how I deal with them forcing their customers to use their programs? I am not a customer.
This is not some federally mandated phone service. You don't have any constitutional right to download ringtones from Jamster. If you want it that bad, then use a service that allows it. If you are in a contract with Verizon and won't leave it to do that, then it means 2 things.....
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djdelay said:
Blah blah blah
I guess what I'm saying is to Get OVER It Now.
This is the best thing I've ever heard all year.
Contrary to popular belief, a lot of the policies about what the phones can and cannot do is for the protection of the user. Limited blue-tooth profiles prevents blue-jacking. GIN and BREW prevent malicious java apps from hijacking your phone.
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There're no PHONE limitations by Vz with like Palm Treo 650 or Samsung i730. There're some SERVICE restrictions (DUN on some models), but that's the company's service...
I've used i730 with tons of 3rd party games, gps navigation and MP3 ringtones...
So I'm not really sure what your example of Win2003SE/CE/5 was about...
I've used i730 with tons of 3rd party games, gps navigation and MP3 ringtones...
So I'm not really sure what your example of Win2003SE/CE/5 was about...
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The point is this, nokia makes their phone capable of running java, verizon doesn't like it so they ask nokia to block java cause it interferes with their control of their service i.e. get it now. Because of that we find ourselves having to pay to have anything extra on our phones. The best examples of what verizon does is this; if you own a pc, do you expect or does your service provider prevent you from puting say word or a game or excel on your computer? on that note, can you put open office on your pc, can you put anything you want on your pc? the answer is yes, cause you own it. Cell phones and verizon, even if you completely own your phone, you are treated as if you don't and that you are renting the service. So on phones that are...
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Verizon Is a MONOPOLY,
hence they have a Monopoly Like sister Company Verizon Wireless.
They are an INCUMBENT LOCAL EXCHANGE carrier. Or ILEC, that word alone should say something.
hence they have a Monopoly Like sister Company Verizon Wireless.
They are an INCUMBENT LOCAL EXCHANGE carrier. Or ILEC, that word alone should say something.
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A more accurate analogy that does actually match it is with your ISP. You may own and control the content on your own computer, but with Comcast (like many other ISPs), you cannot operate your own server or host a service on their network. You might be able to get away with it for a while, but once they see bandwidth issues, they will shut your ass down.
Its the same thing. Java is a security risk. I know how to code java. It's not hard. Any malicious person with the internet and a knowledge of java could cause irreparable damage to your phone and possibly the network. That may not be the main reason they don't allow java, but it is a pretty damn good one.
Its the same thing. Java is a security risk. I know how to code java. It's not hard. Any malicious person with the internet and a knowledge of java could cause irreparable damage to your phone and possibly the network. That may not be the main reason they don't allow java, but it is a pretty damn good one.
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Personally, I think "Get It Now" is the most intuitive way to access downloadable content of any carrier - Sprint is VERY close in this aspect. Get It Now is NOT my problem with Verizon. My problem is the constant crippling of features starting with BT, now going to MP3. What's next??? Will you cripple the ability to make phone calls while still charging me for used minutes??? That wouldn't surprise me.
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I believe that get it now is a joke...i used to have a t-mobile phone..and I could go to any site that wap would let me and download java games or music for free.. verizon does restict you insofar as if you use the web you cant download stuff from free sites, hence anything you want to download you have to use your minutes on get it now and pay for the actual download. if you have an mp3 capable phone you would think that if you are on your computer and put a song on your flash card, you could put it in your phone and use it as a ringtone, but no verzion disabled that feature to force you to pay for ringtones... once you pay for a ringtone, say you get a new phone, you cant take the ringtone with you, you have to pay to download it again..i...
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I think this all should be more directed towards Clinton and the DMCA he signed right before existing office.
This is what allowed for what you're speaking about to happen, even more so than VZW or Microsoft or anyone else.
Granted that MP3 made is from a CD that you bough :-). You theoreticaly should be able to exercise Right to Use (equipment/music)
But I think ringtones fall under some different ASCAP/BMI thing.
If Wireless Carriers competed on "Value-Adds" like as opposed to minutes and service and equipment (this will come when cellular service minutes is commodotized - like other MRC/unit per services.) you would not see this at all.
Since everyone would by DYING to give you new "Value-Adds" that have really noth...
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This is what allowed for what you're speaking about to happen, even more so than VZW or Microsoft or anyone else.
Granted that MP3 made is from a CD that you bough :-). You theoreticaly should be able to exercise Right to Use (equipment/music)
But I think ringtones fall under some different ASCAP/BMI thing.
If Wireless Carriers competed on "Value-Adds" like as opposed to minutes and service and equipment (this will come when cellular service minutes is commodotized - like other MRC/unit per services.) you would not see this at all.
Since everyone would by DYING to give you new "Value-Adds" that have really noth...
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First - Does anyone remember the days when a phone was a phone? My first phone came with some basic ringtones and that was it. I could put about 200 contacts in it and assign a basic rintone to as many as 20 of them. The fact that phones have been released that allow expansion through a system like Get It Now is pretty impressive. I give VZW credit for creating another market for profit. The whole point of a business it to make money. Do I think they could lower prices on some stuff, yes, but overall, it's a great service.
Second - The point of a phone is to communicate. Everything else is really gimmick. If you want good quality videos, pictures, or MP3 listening capabilities, buy the appropriate devices.
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First - Does anyone remember the days when a phone was a phone? My first phone came with some basic ringtones and that was it. I could put about 200 contacts in it and assign a basic rintone to as many as 20 of them. The fact that phones have been released that allow expansion through a system like Get It Now is pretty impressive. I give VZW credit for creating another market for profit. The whole point of a business it to make money. Do I think they could lower prices on some stuff, yes, but overall, it's a great service.
Second - The point of a phone is to communicate. Everything else is really gimmick. If you want good quality videos, pictures, or MP3 listening capabilities, buy the appropriate devices.
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oh my gosh you'd think there is a pandemic of cell phone viruses hitting the world. the point again the point I am raising is that nokia, motorola, LG, samsung, whatever cellphone manufacturer you use make their phone capable of doing things that Verizon restricts...I don't care if they keep Get It Now, but I don't want that to be my only option. I as use will take the responsibility of whatever I put on my phone. However, if you kapwww go to T-Mobile, Cingular, or any GSM network service, you can pretty much use the phone in any which manner you would like, there are restrictions, but not to the extent of what Verizon does. Go to Europe, go to Japan, go to Australia, or place and the cell carriers do not restrict their customers as much,...
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You can "reverse" your own equipment.
I'm certain Get it not, clapped OBEX and all this stuff is REVERSIBLE 100%, since its all software.
It may be difficuilt or simple to do. Depends on how much access and to what you have.
On the Virii Pandemic - I refer you to NTT DoCoMo.
Who way before Americas or European Cell carriers had to deal with SMS/MMS SPAM and Cellphone Based Virii.
I'm certain Get it not, clapped OBEX and all this stuff is REVERSIBLE 100%, since its all software.
It may be difficuilt or simple to do. Depends on how much access and to what you have.
On the Virii Pandemic - I refer you to NTT DoCoMo.
Who way before Americas or European Cell carriers had to deal with SMS/MMS SPAM and Cellphone Based Virii.
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