bluetooth OBEX Who TF cares.
okay, now that I ticked some of ya off I seriously have to ask, what's the big deal on the bluetooth profiles? So you get to xfer your ringtones/midis back and forth on the phone, so what? the E815 has a nifty litle work-around for that (not tellin, and it doesnt involve SENDING the message, for those who know). Phone books can be xfered with the data cables, and you know, if you havd some 4000 contacts, honestly, get a flippin laptop or a pda device. Bluetooth is great for the earpeices, even better for the car-kits (the fewer estrogenated psychos in Lexus's i need to dodge on my way to work/home/etc the better). Can someone explain to me why you *need* to have the open profiles on a bluetooth phone? Please, validate your disapproval on thi...
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Because its an implementation of BT. If you are going to pay extra for BT. It should be the complete specification. Not just a piece of it.
One should not have to hack a phone or rewrite a seem file to make it work as it was designed.
One should not have to hack a phone or rewrite a seem file to make it work as it was designed.
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TenMidgits said:
One should not have to hack a phone or rewrite a seem file to make it work as it was designed.
Bingo 😁
It only took me one hour to have obex on my E815, but it still pissed me off that I had to do it.
GIN Blows 👿
Other then that I love Verizon 🙂
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it... doesnt seem to be that good of a reason. like i said, there is a much easyer work-around for getting desired ring-tones on a phone. noone really needs* to have OBEX on a phone. Yeah, it's nice, but I really dont see much of a need on a data phone. Now then, taking into consideration... the Razr, or even the old skool 6100, I can see some use in OBEX (mind you, i said use, not need). With no way other than GIN to get rings onto your phone i can see how it would be nice. Since i found out how to have One-Winged Angel as my ringer without hacking my phone (e815), I guess that puts me in a different paradigm.
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OBEX was not invented merely for ringtones. It may be the most widespread application of OBEX at this time, but there are more than just one type of OBject to EXchange. What if you have a job where it is important to share photos of products or facilities? Do you want to have to pay a company everytime you share a photo of some stupid label on a box or something? With OBEX, you can xfer those photos to not only a computer but also to other peoples phones who have the same profile. Perhaps you record memos on your phone and you need to put those memos onto your computer or another person's phone? Just because some high schoolers don't pay for ringtones because they have BlueTooth doesn't mean that it is limited to that finite use.
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a the same time, you can get a transflash/mini sd card, save said pics onto the card and use those. theres only 2 bluetooth (vzw)phones i can think of that do not have expandable memory
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xIsamuTM said:
a the same time, you can get a transflash/mini sd card, save said pics onto the card and use those. theres only 2 bluetooth (vzw)phones i can think of that do not have expandable memory
Then the ringtone and pic folders are loked anyway.
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if you are taking pics for work that are that important, why are you using your crappy camera phone and not a CAMERA? and putting memos on your phone that you need to put to your computer? you dont have a pda? or just type them into your computer? i agree with the origional post, come on people, i understand that fundamenatly they should not block the user from using the product fully, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking we NEED them.
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If it is really that vital to send a photo for work I would imagine that your business would have no problem pick u the tab of a wopping 0.25. The way some of you complain about picture sending you would think that the charge is like 10.00 each.
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TenMidgits said:
One should not have to hack a phone or rewrite a seem file to make it work as it was designed.
As designed by who??? "As designed" for use on VZW phones does not include OBX. So now you are assuming that everyone has to do things the same way. How communist of you!!! High end sports car manufacures, such as Ferarri and Lambogini, do not put governers on the engines of there cars, but most domesics cars are going to top out at about 130 mph. I guess I should be thinking about sueing GM over the limitatons they put on my wifes car because the car was not sold to me "as designed." See how ridiculous that sounds!
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I'm not an expert on Bluetooth but the main reason I need it on my phone it to sync with my palm. That means I need more than the audio link. If I can sync it with my palm and use it to dial up the internet, it saves me from lugging my laptop where ever I go. I think they should offer the option to people who want the full bluetooth capability - I'm not trying to get something for nothing, I just want the choice.
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For most of what I do, I really prefer the larger screen on my T3. I find the Treo screen too small.
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For me xIsamuTM the biggest issue is the inability to transfer my phone contacts to my car's phonebook. I had to go out and buy a prepaid tmobile compatiable phone, load my contacts into it and then transfer it to my car's phonebook. I realize that Lexus/Denso have some fault here as well, but, I should be able to upload my contacts as described above without having to spend more money and time to do so.
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um.. correct me if i'm wrong, but when sync'd to your car, wont the voice activated dialing still work through the phone? you should still be able to hit the voice activation button and say "call kyone" or "call 8185551212" out of your phone's PB? i've only once had to sync an 815 to a car. and i thought the phone book exchange was opened on the handsets... guess not.
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I wished that it worked the way you described! When I got the car I had a V710 and I could not upload the phone's address book to the car. I did contact VZW support as well as Lexus. Both told me that eventhough the V710 was BT enabled, I could not upload my address book into the car's memory. When I went out and got the tMobile ppd phone, I was able to upload my numbers, albeit one at a time.
As for voice dialing, it never seemed to work with my then V710 or my 7250 Blackberry. I am sure that it would not work with the bberry as it does not have a voice dial feature. I never tried it with the tMobile phone.
I do lay some of the blame for all of this with Lexus/Denso, but I sure wish that VZW did not lock down transfer of the phoneboo...
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As for voice dialing, it never seemed to work with my then V710 or my 7250 Blackberry. I am sure that it would not work with the bberry as it does not have a voice dial feature. I never tried it with the tMobile phone.
I do lay some of the blame for all of this with Lexus/Denso, but I sure wish that VZW did not lock down transfer of the phoneboo...
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You may want to get the software update for your V710 as a friend of mine has it and has been able to load his contact list onto his car via BT once he got the software update.
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Thanks SForsyth01! I gave the phone to my son after I got my Blackberry 7250. Unfortunately my conversion to just one device (aforemention bberry) has failed miserably. So at this point I am waiting for either the new Razr or the Nokia 6256i and then I will go back to carrying a separate bberry. At that point my son will get the new Razr as well.
As for the software upgrade to the v710, my concern is going to the VZW store near me that does these upgrades. It (MacArtthur Road/145 in Whitehall, PA) is an awful place to go and has a horrible reputation. Maybe after we all get our new phones I will give it a shot when they open 1st thing.
Thanks again, Scott
As for the software upgrade to the v710, my concern is going to the VZW store near me that does these upgrades. It (MacArtthur Road/145 in Whitehall, PA) is an awful place to go and has a horrible reputation. Maybe after we all get our new phones I will give it a shot when they open 1st thing.
Thanks again, Scott
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Having an Infiniti, I'm waiting for the Nokia or the RAZR. A friend has the same car (M35) and just upgraded to an E815. It works fine, but no phonebook upload to the car. Is there a software upgrade for the E815?
Also, in answer to others' questions, I had a one-device solution for the past 2 years, the Samsung i600. Unfortunately there was never a BLuetooth card for it and my new employer's IT department uses Lotus notes and doesn't support the i600. I have a workaround using the IR port on the phone, my Palm and the computer so I'm more likely to get the 6256i. Anyone know if it will talk and play nice with the Palm?
Also, in answer to others' questions, I had a one-device solution for the past 2 years, the Samsung i600. Unfortunately there was never a BLuetooth card for it and my new employer's IT department uses Lotus notes and doesn't support the i600. I have a workaround using the IR port on the phone, my Palm and the computer so I'm more likely to get the 6256i. Anyone know if it will talk and play nice with the Palm?
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Try going to a store that is maybe a little further away from you, but will not be as miserable of an experience. Every store I have gone to in the Pittsburgh, PA area has been a pleasant experience, overall.
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I will, but, I have to have my son with me and between school and work, that is not as easy of a trick as it use to be :-(
The store I mentioned is actually pretty competent, the problem is that the service area and the staffing levels are way too inadequate for the volume of work that comes into them.
The store I mentioned is actually pretty competent, the problem is that the service area and the staffing levels are way too inadequate for the volume of work that comes into them.
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Though I did not have the v710 with me, I did stop by the Short Hills Mall store today. Man, the employees of that store are just like the shoppers who patronize that mall. All of them are miserable and have a stick so far up their butts that they cough when they walk!
I did have a GREAT customer experience at a VZW store in Hemet, CA a few months ago.
I did have a GREAT customer experience at a VZW store in Hemet, CA a few months ago.
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With OBEX, if a friend and I both have it then when we are sitting there and want to swap pics, a video or a ringer I just send it via BT rather then using my text/pic message to send it.
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again, how many (vzw) bluetooth phones don't have expandable memory to copy and swap pics with? then again... if you have a moto and person2 has an lg i can see where that might be a problem. I make "me-cast movies" for everyone in my store. Normally I just make a disc with the encoded files and give them that. i'm sure if i wanted to could wipe the memory from my phone, load up say, Princess Bride (mecast id: 2501_PB301) and OBEX to a phone, but having a physical copy of said files i think is better. same as pictures. NDK is an anime convention back in sept. and I took some 250 pictures over a 3 day weekend. I filled up my phone, card on day 2. Now, OBEX would have beenn ice, but not needed. xfer off the chip, move files from phone to chip...
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hey I am all for expandable memory. I honestly do not use OBEX to transfer movies and other from CPU to phone or vice versa. Only for my friends who have an OBEX capable phone we swap info but all my phones have expandable memory and I prefer doing it that way.
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again, how many (vzw) bluetooth phones don't have expandable memory to copy and swap pics with? then again... if you have a moto and person2 has an lg i can see where that might be a problem. I make "me-cast movies" for everyone in my store. Normally I just make a disc with the encoded files and give them that. i'm sure if i wanted to could wipe the memory from my phone, load up say, Princess Bride (mecast id: 2501_PB301) and OBEX to a phone, but having a physical copy of said files i think is better. same as pictures. NDK is an anime convention back in sept. and I took some 250 pictures over a 3 day weekend. I filled up my phone, card on day 2. Now, OBEX would have beenn ice, but not needed. xfer off the
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I would like to think there are valid reasons, more than just GIN for the lack of the OBEX profile.
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xIsamuTM said:
I would like to think there are valid reasons, more than just GIN for the lack of the OBEX profile.
takes away from MMS. Like I said before, I can send a video/pic to my friend's phone without waisting a text.
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If Verizon can find a way to charge you for everytime you send a file via BT, then they would have never crippled it
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xIsamuTM said:
okay, now that I ticked some of ya off I seriously have to ask, what's the big deal on the bluetooth profiles?
Study up on this:
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/bluetooth/ »
Which led to this:
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/footer/legalNotic ... »
Then you will understand.
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I dont care about pictures and whatever, because i have bitpim, data cables, and Mobile PHOne tools.
What i am really pissed off about is MY LEXUS!
What happens is that you need to transfer the phonebook with profiles that arent existant on VZ phones....and thats the only way to get numbers into the phonebook.
A "safety" feature of the lexus navigation systems is that they wont allow you to do really anything while you are driving, meaning dial a number. All you can do is basic things that dont require attention and call speed dials, which can only be assigned by calling a number on the carbluetooth and saving it from there.
So, now i have however many speed dials, and not enough places on the lexus to put all my contacts...SO...
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What i am really pissed off about is MY LEXUS!
What happens is that you need to transfer the phonebook with profiles that arent existant on VZ phones....and thats the only way to get numbers into the phonebook.
A "safety" feature of the lexus navigation systems is that they wont allow you to do really anything while you are driving, meaning dial a number. All you can do is basic things that dont require attention and call speed dials, which can only be assigned by calling a number on the carbluetooth and saving it from there.
So, now i have however many speed dials, and not enough places on the lexus to put all my contacts...SO...
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nave462000 said:
I dont care about pictures and whatever, because i have bitpim, data cables, and Mobile Phone tools.
What i am really pissed off about is MY LEXUS!
...So, I can't dial contacts the safe way from my car system like Cingular users with the big car screen. Instead, i have to use the small phone screen, which distracts me from the road more, and is more dangerous.
Exactly.
http://www.canyouhearusnow.net/dangers/safety/ »
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for all the car responses, I have a question. the voice activated dialing button the the phone, doesn't that still work through the car when it's in bluetooth mode? if yes, couldn't you spare the 1.2 seconds to hit the button then do the whole "call XXX" command?
Ignore post if i'm wrong...
Ignore post if i'm wrong...
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xIsamuTM said:
for all the car responses, I have a question. the voice activated dialing button the the phone, doesn't that still work through the car when it's in bluetooth mode?
Not on most car kits. THe BT takes over and mutes the phone.
To fully understand Bluetooth integrated automotive communications systems, take a look at these support docs:
http://dts.vzw.com/how_to_use/bluetooth_car_kit.html »
You see, there are about 10 features that can integrate, from simple voice, like a headset, to phonebook, SMS, battery meter, signal strength, voice commands, etc.
The newest systems let you work most of the phone function without taking your eyes off the road, hands off steering wheel, etc. Like yo...
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yeah. like i said I never really have used or expect to use any bluetooth function of my phone. I guess I'm a closet low-tech. My archive of Commador 64 and SNES games will attest to that.
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xIsamuTM, I wish that it worked the way that you describe!
For those of us with BT phones/devices but not voice dialing capability (i.e. Verizon Blackberry 7250) it does not. Then again, it also did not work in the way that you describe with my v710, which, did have voice dialing capability.
...Scott
For those of us with BT phones/devices but not voice dialing capability (i.e. Verizon Blackberry 7250) it does not. Then again, it also did not work in the way that you describe with my v710, which, did have voice dialing capability.
...Scott
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xIsamuTM said:
for all the car responses, I have a question. the voice activated dialing button the the phone, doesn't that still work through the car when it's in bluetooth mode? if yes, couldn't you spare the 1.2 seconds to hit the button then do the whole "call XXX" command?
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Yeah actually you are wrong...lol. IF that even worked,i would be very happy..and CID doesnt always work for some reason, it just seems to do it randomly.
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Some people want it for practical purposes such as transferring a phonebook wirelessly (synchronization).
But...most people want it to steal games and ringers.
But...most people want it to steal games and ringers.
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Oh, so the data cables, services via Verizon and/or other software/hardware is all FREE to use to transfer contacts over? Files etc? Oh, they're not? But you said it's so easy to do and thus you don't need bluetooth file transfer anyway - not a big deal right?
We'd appreciate being able to do it using the phones "once upon a time" built-in capability to do it rather than paying Verizon (data cable) or Motorola (phone tools) more money for the privelage (? is that how you see it?) of being able to ACTUALLY USE our phone with our contacts in the address book, that for some of us are in the 100's.
Or should I bring over my motorola v710 so you can manually enter my 120+ contacts into it from my old Sony T610? Or perhaps you'd prefer to d...
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We'd appreciate being able to do it using the phones "once upon a time" built-in capability to do it rather than paying Verizon (data cable) or Motorola (phone tools) more money for the privelage (? is that how you see it?) of being able to ACTUALLY USE our phone with our contacts in the address book, that for some of us are in the 100's.
Or should I bring over my motorola v710 so you can manually enter my 120+ contacts into it from my old Sony T610? Or perhaps you'd prefer to d...
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um... so why not just have your phonebook transfered when you upgraded to the 710. what about everyone that doesnt have a bluetooth phone that needs the same actions preformed? what i'm getting at is, the functions people want have already had solutions in pre-bluetooth phones. phone-to-phone contact transfers: cellebrite machines almost every phone provider has 'em. yeah, next to every provider charges for it, but you know, every service has a price. data is not any phone companies obligation, nor is it that of any manufacturer. Honestly, I wish I had a triple, hell, a double digit number of contacts in my phone. It'd be nice to know that many people I want to converse with* On the flipside, a phone is a medium to call people. noone expects...
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ummm...what about they tried and for whatever reason couldn't do it - possibly because the contacts were coming from a non Verizon phone? Could be...Could be...
Yes, before BT people had to buy software, cables, whatever (or painstakingly enter them manually) to transfer contacts to their new phones. But now that BT is out there this is unneccasry. A bluetooth phone can transfer it's contacts to and from any other bluetooth phone from any provider EXCEPT Verizon BECAUSE they crippled it to squeeze every penny they can from their customers and that's just dandy to you ehh?
I guess you can't figure out whats so cool about wifi, or broadband routers either huh? I mean after all dialup etc is just fine? It works, so why bother right?
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Yes, before BT people had to buy software, cables, whatever (or painstakingly enter them manually) to transfer contacts to their new phones. But now that BT is out there this is unneccasry. A bluetooth phone can transfer it's contacts to and from any other bluetooth phone from any provider EXCEPT Verizon BECAUSE they crippled it to squeeze every penny they can from their customers and that's just dandy to you ehh?
I guess you can't figure out whats so cool about wifi, or broadband routers either huh? I mean after all dialup etc is just fine? It works, so why bother right?
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