LEAVE CONTRACT WITHOUT ETF. GUARANTEED!!!!
In the next several days, Verizon should begin notifying customers there will be a new “Administrative Charge” of 40¢ per line effective October 1st. The announcement of this new charge will allow subscribers to terminate early without incurring an Early Termination Fee (ETF), since it will have a “material adverse affect” as detailed in the Terms and Conditions of Verizon contracts. Customers will have 60 days to exercise this right from the time they are notified by Verizon. In other words, roughly now until then end of October you will essentially be out of contract.
This means the new contract you just signed (remember that thingthat gave you $150 off your phone) can be broken without getting charged $200 for doing so. What doe...
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Think about it. For 60 day you can go to another carrier and get an upgraded phone for the discounted price.
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what, did the cingular forum get boring. People here already know about this, and if they wanted to take advantage of it, probably already did.
springorem, springaf, and Jinx7676, why dont you go back to the cinguar forum and keep up your story book there that you have going, maybe if we get bored, we might come over and read some more.
Think about this, you have not told us anything that has not been discussed endlessly over here, and as I said, the ones that are going to shut off due to this have already done so, old news here boys.....
Now go back to your cingular hole....
springorem, springaf, and Jinx7676, why dont you go back to the cinguar forum and keep up your story book there that you have going, maybe if we get bored, we might come over and read some more.
Think about this, you have not told us anything that has not been discussed endlessly over here, and as I said, the ones that are going to shut off due to this have already done so, old news here boys.....
Now go back to your cingular hole....
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Oh, and another thing. If you are worried about $.40/mo added to your cellular bill, can you really afford to have a cellular phone in the first place? Can you say cheap, cheap, cheap. Come on people, $.40/mo not $4.00. You can't even purchase a candy bar for $.40.
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it's not about the 40 cents, it's about the principle. PLUS, just because one person likes their service, doesn't mean all people do. some people are just waiting for something like this to get out.
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and we already know about it, knew about it a month ago, now leave as georgia said...your a pest.
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trucksmoveamerica said:
and we already know about it, knew about it a month ago, now leave as georgia said...your a pest.
hoo hoo
at least my posts are thought out and make a point, unlike some people here who just say stuff like "Verizon is cool, cingy sux" or "my network is better than yours"
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How about "my network still charges a lower fee than your network"?
I'd totally want to change to a different service so the exact same charge can be more. What a stupid idea.
I'd totally want to change to a different service so the exact same charge can be more. What a stupid idea.
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Lets all remember that every other company charges a higher fee, so if you want to pay a higher fee for lesser service be my guest.
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FYI..not only do most other carriers already charge more than $.40 but per legal this is not considered a material adverse change (being that the change results in less than 1/2 of 1% of a minimal bill)...so technically VZW does NOT have to allow you out of a contract WITHOUT PAYING the ETF. I rarely post but it is positively aggravating to see the ignorance that some of you show here. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than figure out how to get out of your contract? I have a thought for you...how bout you just go ahead and get prepaid service and you'll NEVER have to worry about a contract!
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heatherln13 said:
FYI..not only do most other carriers already charge more than $.40 but per legal this is not considered a material adverse change (being that the change results in less than 1/2 of 1% of a minimal bill)...so technically VZW does NOT have to allow you out of a contract WITHOUT PAYING the ETF. I rarely post but it is positively aggravating to see the ignorance that some of you show here. Don't you have anything better to do with your time than figure out how to get out of your contract? I have a thought for you...how bout you just go ahead and get prepaid service and you'll NEVER have to worry about a contract!
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screw that man people need a change and this is a perfect chance to get out of a damn contract that people are tired of. Im just trying to go to nextel sence everyone at my job has it and it is easier to communicate with one another. Its called construction and i dont think anyone will want tha p2t with verizon sence no one really has it anyways!!!
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It's .40, people. I think .40 is just fine, considering I can use my phone just about anywhere...even on the Metro in DC. If VZW needs to charge a little bit more each month to ensure that their network is the best out there I'll gladly pay it.
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omar235 said:
screw that man people need a change and this is a perfect chance to get out of a damn contract that people are tired of.
How about this...if you want to get out of a contract...pay the d@mn fee! I dont know how old you are...but at some point in your life you need to grow up and be responsible for your actions.
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😢 🤭 😲 I tried calling VZW CSR to get out of contract w/o any luck. My contract expires in 20 days and VZW CSR gave me credit of $ .20 instead of letting me out early...
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and the more you ask me to leave, the more i will debunk all the misinformation given out here. in reading over the recent posts is sounds like the VZW reps here have become VERY defensive and are trying to lie and deny the fact that anything the company does is negative.
Personally, i'd rather put up with a 1 or 2 dropped calls and be told up front what i can and can't do with my phones, and about billing practices, rather than be nickel and dimed on my bill for BS, on top of paying the same price for a phone that has features stripped out of it.
Personally, i'd rather put up with a 1 or 2 dropped calls and be told up front what i can and can't do with my phones, and about billing practices, rather than be nickel and dimed on my bill for BS, on top of paying the same price for a phone that has features stripped out of it.
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it's not about the 40 cents, it's about the principle. PLUS, just because one person likes their service, doesn't mean all people do. some people are just waiting for something like this to get out.
were you complaining when verizon dropped their fees .55 cents a couple months ago? where was the outrage about the principle then?
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jinx7676 said:
it's not about the 40 cents, it's about the principle. PLUS, just because one person likes their service, doesn't mean all people do. some people are just waiting for something like this to get out.
Principle? Principle you say? Please, do tell us all about your benevolent principle of 40 flipping cents? Tell us how 40 cents a month violates your misconstrued conception of principle.
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Its the principal of hidden add-on charges. Remember voicestream? Chilling similarity, isn't it. All you need now is Jamie Lee Curtis
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How is it hidden if they are sending a letter out to customers??? When you buy a phone from cingular does your brochure explain exactly how much i will be paying in tax and fees, no it just says there are taxes and other fees, so get of your cingy high horse your carrier rips people with hidden fees and charges just like every other carrier, and from what i have seen verizon's fee will still be cheaper than cingular's so if that is really the issue why would somebody go there to pay more?
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oh and if you want to talk about nickel and dime crap done to customers, doesn't cingular charge $36 dollars to start service and like$18 bucks just to upgrade? seems a bit hi to me
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oh and by the way on the terms and conditions it states that charges and fees are subject to change,and that taxes and fees not set by us are also subject to change and the customer is responsible even if advanced notice is not given. So when a customer signs up they are agreeing to these terms and conditions and thus agreeing that taxes, surcharges and fees are subject to change. Oh and cingular also charges $36 dollars for a customer to do a change of financial responsibility, what a joke! So go back to the cingular forum they are missing their village idiot, or should i say troll 🙄
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Wow...you guys have to be pretty desperate to have to tell customers how to get out of a contract. I enjoy my Verizon Wireless Service and If you rather have dropped calls with Cingular then go for it...oh Pick up a Razr while you're at it ! lol...
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Major813 said:
Wow...you guys have to be pretty desperate to have to tell customers how to get out of a contract. I enjoy my Verizon Wireless Service and If you rather have dropped calls with Cingular then go for it...oh Pick up a Razr while you're at it ! lol...
No Thanks, I will stick with reliable Verizon, and wait for their Razr 🙂
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gunny said:Major813 said:
Wow...you guys have to be pretty desperate to have to tell customers how to get out of a contract. I enjoy my Verizon Wireless Service and If you rather have dropped calls with Cingular then go for it...oh Pick up a Razr while you're at it ! lol...
No Thanks, I will stick with reliable Verizon, and wait for their Razr 🙂
personally i haven't dropped a call in MONTHS with my V3. 😉
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thats sad 😢 I haven't dropped a call in years with my verizon phone. I guess a couple months is pretty good guy 😲
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I must be lucky or something. I've been with Verizon for 6 years now, and have never had a dropped call yet. Maybe I should switch to Cingular just to see how it feels.
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nah, just hit the end button in the middle of talking, that will show you how it feels.. 😁
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But if you just end the call, you don't get to be treated like dirt when you call about your account! Don't you want to try that out too?
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gunny said:
thats sad 😢 I haven't dropped a call in years with my verizon phone. I guess a couple months is pretty good guy 😲
i was trying to use words to convey improvement with the network. i could have said years, but my point wouldn't have been made.
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I have tried to not post anything on this topic, but I just cant stop myself anymore.
It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
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monicajoys said:
I have tried to not post anything on this topic, but I just cant stop myself anymore.
It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
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Your cost of use on the cell phone wouldn't be effected by the cost of gas, food, etc though. What bearing does that have on a cell phone? Maybe if the cost of electricty went up and it was too expensive to charge your phone?
Even if you had 5 lines of service, it would total $2.00 per month. On the most expensive price plans that have an overage rate of $0.20/min that's 10 minutes of overage.
If the small change in price is so damaging, please leave and go waste some other company's money complaining about your monthly bill.
Even if you had 5 lines of service, it would total $2.00 per month. On the most expensive price plans that have an overage rate of $0.20/min that's 10 minutes of overage.
If the small change in price is so damaging, please leave and go waste some other company's money complaining about your monthly bill.
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I will differ on the fact that the cost of gas does not have an effect on cell phones. I think the price of gas has a bearing on every company in this country, as there is no company that does not use gas some how, company cars being the most common, shipping items around, inbound or outbound, in some cases both.
And for electricity, well, a lot of our electricity is produced from natual gas burning turbines, or whatever they are called, well, natural gas is a by-product of oil, causing natural gas to go up, causing electricity to go up, not to mention in a lot of areas, coal is still used, and the coal usually arrives via train, which uses diesel fuel to get there, which increases cost to get the coal there, which increases the cost of ...
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And for electricity, well, a lot of our electricity is produced from natual gas burning turbines, or whatever they are called, well, natural gas is a by-product of oil, causing natural gas to go up, causing electricity to go up, not to mention in a lot of areas, coal is still used, and the coal usually arrives via train, which uses diesel fuel to get there, which increases cost to get the coal there, which increases the cost of ...
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Right, the cost of gas effects everything, it goes into the trucks that deliver the cell phones, it is in the cars and trucks of tech who have to repair towers, I know the cost of shipping my accessories have gone up substantialy in the past 2 years and I have had to pass that on to the customer by about $1 per item. I'm not making more money off them im still making the same.
As you stated it will get passed on to everybody.
As you stated it will get passed on to everybody.
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I agree with you, but I feel I must point one thing out. Natural Gas is not a byproduct of oil. My father worked for a Natural Gas company, and we also had a natural gas pumping station on our property (quarter mile away from the house...but the right of way went through our property) to know that the only way cost of petro gas would affect natural gas is the cost of company vehicles. And even alot of them are run off of natural gas too...
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well, as I am not an expert on natural gas, and I should have checked better, but, I was always told that natural gas is a by-product from oil when it is refined into gas...So, if I am wrong, I am wrong...I know there is also other natural gas locations, but, I was told it was also a by-product of oil being refined...either way, the natural gas costs sure seem to keep trend with gas prices, so, it made sense to me when someone told me that...my wrong, sorry.
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That's ok. I will forgive you this time! LOL
Natural Gas is caused when the bowels cannot push out the digested foods. Some of these foods turn into sugars that ferment causing methane. That is where natural gas comes from...
Natural Gas is caused when the bowels cannot push out the digested foods. Some of these foods turn into sugars that ferment causing methane. That is where natural gas comes from...
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Vatothe0 said:
Your cost of use on the cell phone wouldn't be effected by the cost of gas, food, etc though. What bearing does that have on a cell phone? Maybe if the cost of electricty went up and it was too expensive to charge your phone?
So Verizon doesn't rely on fuel? Hmmm...how did all of those cell towers get there? How are they maintained? Magic is certainly a possibility, but I'm gonna go with guys in trucks. Trucks use gas, which means Verizon, like any other company, is hurt by higher fuel costs.
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I think you need to re-read what I wrote.
It doesn't cost a person more money to use a cell phone because fuel is more expensive, it does however cost Verizon more to provide service. If milk prices went up, it would cost someone more to eat, yet still not have an effect on how much it costs to use a cell phone.
It doesn't cost a person more money to use a cell phone because fuel is more expensive, it does however cost Verizon more to provide service. If milk prices went up, it would cost someone more to eat, yet still not have an effect on how much it costs to use a cell phone.
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you are correct, it does not cost more to use the cell phone because of higher gas prices as long as the cell company does not maintain their equipment, ship out new phones to customers, have new phones shipped in from motorola, ect...Then the service does not cost any more...but, unless the company wants to shut it's doors till fuel prices drop, it does cost more for a company such as verizon to provide cell service to their customers, and in costing verizon more money, it will trinkle down to the consumer...higher gas prices effect everything no matter how you look at it.
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The contract CLEARLY states...
Verizon Wireless’ Surcharges
Your bill will include charges to recover or help defray costs of taxes and of governmental surcharges and fees imposed on us, and costs associated with government regulations and mandates on our business. These charges include a Regulatory Charge, which helps defray costs of various mandates, and a Federal Universal Service Charge to recover costs imposed on us by the government to support universal service. These charges are Verizon Wireless charges, not taxes, and are subject to change.
No where in the contract does it say... if you don't feel like paying the whole bill you can pay whatever you want.
If you didn't read that part of the contract in the beginning...
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Verizon Wireless’ Surcharges
Your bill will include charges to recover or help defray costs of taxes and of governmental surcharges and fees imposed on us, and costs associated with government regulations and mandates on our business. These charges include a Regulatory Charge, which helps defray costs of various mandates, and a Federal Universal Service Charge to recover costs imposed on us by the government to support universal service. These charges are Verizon Wireless charges, not taxes, and are subject to change.
No where in the contract does it say... if you don't feel like paying the whole bill you can pay whatever you want.
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What most of you do not understand is this simple fact.
0.40 times 48 million customers is how much money?
That would be 19.2 Million dollars more a month for Verizon Wireless. I am sorry but are any of you seeing raises in your income to help pay your bills for gas going up? No you are not and you should not expect a customer to take a 0.40 per line hike every month.
It is not about one person. It is about the total combined. You should never have your head so far up your companies butt that you cannot understand when they are screwing people. Cellphones companies make us pay for everything they do. They do not need 40 cents per month more from 48 millions customers especially considering the only people seeing this extra money ...
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0.40 times 48 million customers is how much money?
That would be 19.2 Million dollars more a month for Verizon Wireless. I am sorry but are any of you seeing raises in your income to help pay your bills for gas going up? No you are not and you should not expect a customer to take a 0.40 per line hike every month.
It is not about one person. It is about the total combined. You should never have your head so far up your companies butt that you cannot understand when they are screwing people. Cellphones companies make us pay for everything they do. They do not need 40 cents per month more from 48 millions customers especially considering the only people seeing this extra money ...
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The fee isn't a "we need a raise" increase. Verizon will still be charging less than anyone else for mandatory non-plan charges.
Of course it adds up to a lot of money when you multiply it across how many customers there are, that's the point. Why don't we just raise your bill 19 million dollars a month so everyone else doesn't have to pay anything? Guess that wouldn't work either. So it seems that since it's going to cost more money to provide the same level of excellence, the money needs to come from somewhere and subscribers are the only logical source. Being that it's the service to them that the charge is supporting, most people are fine with it.
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Of course it adds up to a lot of money when you multiply it across how many customers there are, that's the point. Why don't we just raise your bill 19 million dollars a month so everyone else doesn't have to pay anything? Guess that wouldn't work either. So it seems that since it's going to cost more money to provide the same level of excellence, the money needs to come from somewhere and subscribers are the only logical source. Being that it's the service to them that the charge is supporting, most people are fine with it.
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st1x80 said:
Cellphone companies make us pay for everything they do.
Ok...this made me laugh.
Ummm...so you expect the company to just constantly do things extra and not make their customer's pay for it? If they did that...then none of us would have a cell phone because VZW (or any other carrier) would be out of business.
Bottom line is VZW is a company that wants to make money...they don't want to come out even...they want to make money. Do you know anyone that starts a company and says..."you know...I think I am going to just charge everyone cost for everything...I don't need to get a profit!"
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Oh and by the way...I am not a VZW employee. But I guess you can call me a fanGIRL of the company. Why you ask? CAUSE THEY PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE! Wow what a concept...defending something you believe in.
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aloha said:...monicajoys said:
I have tried to not post anything on this topic, but I just cant stop myself anymore.
It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
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the thing is, when a customer signs the contract they agree to all terms of the contract. nobody stood there and forced a customer to start service with verizon. and im sure every single wireless company puts in their contracts they have the right to change these surcharges as needed. its not like vzw just started charging an extra 4 bucks a month without notice or explanation. notice was given, if you have a problem with those terms then don't sign the contract. get a pre paid phone. all companies have rate increases and decreases...its adjustments for the cost of doing business
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cjg1278 said:
the thing is, when a customer signs the contract they agree to all terms of the contract. nobody stood there and forced a customer to start service with verizon. and im sure every single wireless company puts in their contracts they have the right to change these surcharges as needed. its not like vzw just started charging an extra 4 bucks a month without notice or explanation. notice was given, if you have a problem with those terms then don't sign the contract. get a pre paid phone. all companies have rate increases and decreases...its adjustments for the cost of doing business
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Being a Verizon Wireless customer is like being in a "cult"
You clearly don't have Verizon service. When people have something they really like and value, they tend to defend it. Too bad you don't feel this way about your wireless service, there are millions that feel this way about Verizon.
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DAMN DUDE, you have a point as well...hmmm, something to think about... 😕
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aloha said:...monicajoys said:
I have tried to not post anything on this topic, but I just cant stop myself anymore.
It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
For all that are saying that if you can't affor
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It is $.40! Have you noticed that as time goes by, things in life increase in prices? Look at gas over the past 5 years. Hell look at milk over the past 5 years.
I definitely stand by the person who said if you cant afford to pay $.40 extra a month...you probably shouldn't have a cell phone. And if you actually call VZW and tell them that this will cause a "material adverse affect" on you...I truly hope they let you out of the contract...this seems like a good way to cleanse out the "idiots" in their customer base.
I'm neither a Verizon fanboy or a particularly pissed off customer. A cell phone is just a tool, and a contract is just a contract.
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Hey with the recent gas increases I think I am going to call my bank and get out of my truck loan. When I signed that loan a few years ago gas prices were like 1.00 per gallon less. They should let me out with out paying for te rest of my payments since I never expexted to pay that much for gas when I bought the truck.
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Quick Question,
Can I now cancel my existing contracts (family plan with 4 phones), keep my phone numbers, then purchase new phones from Verizon and sign new contracts? I upgraged 3 of the four phones last year. I want to upgrade all 4 to the KX2 or V710. Is this possible? Which of the two above are better?
Can I now cancel my existing contracts (family plan with 4 phones), keep my phone numbers, then purchase new phones from Verizon and sign new contracts? I upgraged 3 of the four phones last year. I want to upgrade all 4 to the KX2 or V710. Is this possible? Which of the two above are better?
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No you would lose your #'s.Also this is consdered a "churn" any rep that did this for you could find themselves in alot of trouble.
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your account will be reactivated if you do so within six months, the same amount of time the numbers are held in reserve. You could leave, but you couldnt sign back up with a discount.
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Numbers aren't reserved for 6 months. Some areas they are recycled in less than a month. I've seen it done when people scream about cancelling service, do it despite being told it prevents porting, then 2 weeks later cry about not being able to port because the number got recycled.
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But you can still port your number to anyone else. And if you do so, there's the possibility that verizon is stupid enough to ditch your info and you can cancel with whatever other provider you sign with within their 30 days and re-sign with verizon. But i doubt they're that stupid.
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once you cancel your contract you cannot port it over to another company that number is lost.
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