Verizon not #1 anymore. Or Are they?
Well everyone has heard about Cingular and Att Ws merging to become the biggest cellular company in the US. But I want to clear up a few things. People may be informed. Cingular may have more customer than Verizon, but will their coverage area be bigger? Humm.. My answer is NO!!!!!!!!! Even though Cingular will be bigger than Verizon Wireless (customer wise and maybe revenue wise), Verizon Wireless will still hold there reputation of having the largest coverage area in America. True Cingular Wireless may have a bigger coverage area, but it just wont be big enough to to take Verizon's reputation. When people say largest, they mean in customers and revenues not coverage area. So all of you who want a company that will work in most places you w...
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WRONG. Cingular/ATTWS Will have the MOST COVERAGE in the U.S ncluding affiliates. It WON'T have the largest network, though, which Verizon can still boast.
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How is that different? Largest network usually means most coverage. Or am I wrong?
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Cingular will have more customer and maybe have bigger revenues than Verizon, But Verizon will still have the biggest network in the US. Thats when they say the next largest company-- in terms of customers, not network coverage.
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call me ignorant
but can someone define the difference between coverage and network. i always thought they were similar.
but can someone define the difference between coverage and network. i always thought they were similar.
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Well both are the same in a way. Network is defined as type of frequency --- GSM, CDMA, TDMA, and ANALOG. The widespread of that network, is what you call the coverage area. In order to have coverage you have to have your network in a certain area.
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i'm kind of lost of what was said earlier in this thread.
someone said that cingular has a bigger network but not coverage. i might have misunderstood. please help clarify
someone said that cingular has a bigger network but not coverage. i might have misunderstood. please help clarify
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network would be were you wouldn't be roaming.
coverage would be were you would have the ability to use the phone including roaming.
or atleast that's what i've always thought it meant. 🙂
coverage would be were you would have the ability to use the phone including roaming.
or atleast that's what i've always thought it meant. 🙂
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what are we saying verizon has more of or what are are we saying cingular has more of i'm deeply confused.
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If Cinguliath is allowed to keep all of its towers it will have the most coverage, meaning it will have the most overall towers available. Verizon however has their customer spread thin over a larger area, so it will have a larger, more widespread network. Assuming Cinguliath does keep all its coverage, it will work better then Verizon's service, but Verizon will work in more places.
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ahhh no... get a book and read it u they won't be able to keep all the towers
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They've already had books published about the AT&T purchase? Wow, that was quick.
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So, if Cingular kept all of its current coverage, it will work better than Verizon's service? Buddy, Cingular's quality of service is barely better than AT&T's.
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Verizon has more money, more satisfied customers, more people who recommend them, more awards than any other wireless company. 🙂 Cingular has more of nothing, they're on a sinking ship with a gsm network. mayday mayday!
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Please explain how GSM is a "sinking ship" when it's the most common digital phone standard WORLDWIDE? Between 80 and 90% of all new digital phone customers go with GSM. They passed the milestone of 1 BILLION customers earlier this month (nearly 1 in 6 people worldwide are using a GSM phone!). Again, I agree that verizon has a great network, as does sprint, but I have been quite happy with my Cingular service that I've had so far, and when the buyout of ATTWS is complete, I expect it to get even better...but I say again...if you want to continue living in your little dream world where you are right and everybody else is wrong...please don't let me wake you.
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Cingular buying ATTWS was the worst thing they could do... come on don't you read? Consumer reports ranked both ATT and Cingular low. If GSM is sooo superior why isn't any, ANY GSM wireless company anywhere near the top? You are right GSM is most popular NOT the best, but take another look how fast CDMA is growing, not only in the US but in Japan. Just stating the facts, do some NON BIAS reading.
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barryefau said:
If GSM is sooo superior why isn't any, ANY GSM wireless company anywhere near the top?
Top of what? Top of the wireless industry? In what way? Would having the most customers mean being on top of the wireless industry. Oh yeah, GSM does. Hmm... How about coverage. Well I've done some readings as well, and while Verizon ranks best in coverage overall, they are beat in many, many markets. They'll be beat much worse now.
barryefau said: Just stating the facts, do some NON BIAS reading.
You haven't stated any facts. You've made up facts, but that isn't quite the same. You've stated a lot of oppinions, but to those of us who are sane, oppinions are still n...
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I wish i could say that the GSM service I have is better....heck most gsm carriers have the better phones on the market. However I am currently carrying three phones ( I am lucky that my company has loaners for us to try) and the verizon phone has better coverage overall.
That being said I am in the Boston area but do travel to California Bay Area. The three phones are:
Verizon == Kyocera 2235 (basic tri-mode)
Cingular== Sony Ericsson T616
ATT wireless == Sony Ericsson T68i
Where i am currently sitting the kyocera has 3 bars, Cingular has 1 - 2(constantly fluctuating), and ATT has 2 bars. The T616 is my favorite, its extremely small and weighs nothing but has good battery life, however the Kyocera is the one that consistently has th...
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That being said I am in the Boston area but do travel to California Bay Area. The three phones are:
Verizon == Kyocera 2235 (basic tri-mode)
Cingular== Sony Ericsson T616
ATT wireless == Sony Ericsson T68i
Where i am currently sitting the kyocera has 3 bars, Cingular has 1 - 2(constantly fluctuating), and ATT has 2 bars. The T616 is my favorite, its extremely small and weighs nothing but has good battery life, however the Kyocera is the one that consistently has th...
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I do agree. I love Verizon, but Verizon do have the most boring phones in the wireless industry. They gotten better since last year, but their still in last place phone and selection wise, but in first place coverage and quality wise.
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just to back up your claim barryefau. The most advanced cellular company in the world DoCoMo uses a cdma network. Plus most of the major companies in Europe are either in the finalizations or are weighing a aggressive decision of cdma 2k it is a superior structure for cellular. believe me everyone will profit from this murger. 1 people will be let out of agreement cause it is no longer at&t and they will seek service else were.
Cingular bought at&t with the intent of selling off some of its area for a profit as well. And at&t also was a major backer of some slightly smaller companies like cellularOne. When Cellular One started a market they got a big kick from at&t keeping the costs of each carrier down. So I wonder what that will do to c...
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Cingular bought at&t with the intent of selling off some of its area for a profit as well. And at&t also was a major backer of some slightly smaller companies like cellularOne. When Cellular One started a market they got a big kick from at&t keeping the costs of each carrier down. So I wonder what that will do to c...
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joshcsepegi said:The most advanced cellular company in the world DoCoMo uses a cdma network.
yes and no.
docomo uses wcdma which isn't the same as the cdma used over here in the u.s.
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Just so you know, all the carriers will be eventually switching to WCDMA which puts those on CDMA that much closer to the switch. GSM carriers have to contend with several upgrades and switches to get to WCDMA. China, Korea, Japan, USA, and Eastern Europe use CDMA, by the way.
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theLGman said:
Just so you know, all the carriers will be eventually switching to WCDMA which puts those on CDMA that much closer to the switch.
it's still gonna be a costly upgrade no matter if you tdma, cdma, or gsm before hand.
GSM carriers have to contend with several upgrades and switches to get to WCDMA.
and so do the cdma carriers. going to wcdma is not just adding the letter 'w' in front of cdma techonology.
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Hello? People? WCDMA is a totally different technology than CDMA... WCDMA is a GSM product. Were it a CDMA product, it would pay licensing to Qualcomm. And if you look at the current news, DoCoMo was dealing with ATTWS because of the fact it would be EASIER to upgrade their network to WCDMA. Cingular and ATTWS use the same technology. So it goes to show that DoCoMo has a better grasp on what's going on worldwide than the US markets. If they were interested in the largest network, wouldn't their natural choice based on what's said here be VZW? GSM and its up-and-coming technological advances current boast more than 90% of US wireless sign-ups. And to weigh in on the "Best Network" issue while I'm at it, I think that the "best network" would b...
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Huh? 90% of new w'less subscribers? Latest figures have VWZ adding 1.1 Million, TMobile 700-800,000,
Sprint 500-600,000, Cingular about the same, and ATTWS losing net customers in the coming quarter. And that's been pretty much consistent w/ recent behavior. So, w/ Sprint and VZW (and if you factor in the other CDMA carriers like Virgin, Alltel, etc) you figure near 2M adds for CDMA, and 1.2M or so for GSM. That's more like 35% of new subscribers for GSM.
No offense, but just about everywhere I've lived, VZW's coverage is much better than Cingular and everyone else - I've had 'em all. There's a reason they have the most customers and charge a premium, and have the industry's worst selection of phones...it's service.
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Sprint 500-600,000, Cingular about the same, and ATTWS losing net customers in the coming quarter. And that's been pretty much consistent w/ recent behavior. So, w/ Sprint and VZW (and if you factor in the other CDMA carriers like Virgin, Alltel, etc) you figure near 2M adds for CDMA, and 1.2M or so for GSM. That's more like 35% of new subscribers for GSM.
No offense, but just about everywhere I've lived, VZW's coverage is much better than Cingular and everyone else - I've had 'em all. There's a reason they have the most customers and charge a premium, and have the industry's worst selection of phones...it's service.
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everyone's got their own statistics. Anyway, what are you doing on the VZW forum if you're such a Cingular/GSM fan?
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on a side note...GSM is used by VZW...example...you want to go to europe....call VZW customer service hotline and speak to a rep about phone rentals....they ar VZW phones....and use the GSM network...but are only available to U.S. travelers at the moment who have VZW service...I don't know the details of the if and who they rent spectrum from there...but I know its an option....I wouldn't be surprised if it was VoDaFone
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CDMA is more powerful than GSM will ever be.. u get more bandwidth with CDMA, you get less dropped calls with CDMA.. the only thing u get with GSM is international travel. If you really stop to think about it... if vzw is partly owned by the largest cell phone co in the world who is pri GSM, don't you think they'd have gone GSM in the US too??? I think there is a method to their madness! Anyway GSM is ****, CDMA is good 🙂
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well then barry, here's a question for you... if CDMA uniformly kicks GSM's butt, how do you explain the disparity between the US's two major CDMA carriers... VZW and Sprint? I suppose you will compare these two and see that one is severely lacking. Lest we forget, Cingular can boast the #1 National footprint GSM network in the US. And it will only get better once the BUYOUT (not merger) of ATTWS finishes approval. It may take some time to integrate the back offices and a few other functions, but the benefit to the end user will be almost immediate.
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I dissagree that the benefit of the att/cingular combination will be immediate. Right now there are two independent networks covering much of the same areas. Cingular just invested 41 billion dollars and it has been estimated that it will take 5-6 years for them to recover to the point that they are able to begin expanding their network again. Verizon already has the largest footprint of any provider (check consumer reports, as well as the coverage map at any provider website) and invests 5 billion each year to keep it that way.
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Spoken like a true Verizon employee. Be careful what you say though, people have been known to lose their jobs because of this board (or its USENET predecessor actually).
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And of course Verizon has more raving lunatics foaming at the mouth then any other company. Don't you have a crusade to join or something?
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I've always thought that network meant the infrastructure that a wireless signal runs over, and that coverage means the area said network is spread out over.
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No, you have it all wrong Verizon Wireless will have the biggest coverage area in the US. Cingular will only have more custumers than Verizon Wireless. But Verizon will have more coverage -- even with Cingular and Att COMBINED!!
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This is the way that i look at it. With all the hype of GSM why hasnt vodafone come over to the US? THey are the best carrier worldwide and they wont come over? Its because of their stake in VZW. THey know that CDMA in the US works better then GSM. The reason for this is because Verizon has been staying with CDMA for so long, its worth it and it shows in its network QUALITY, and that is all that matters when it comes to a service, is the quality. Also if you do your reading, after the merger is finally complete later this year, VZW is projected to become the #1 carrier again (subscribers) within 18 months, and thats saying something.
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kapmart said:
This is the way that i look at it. With all the hype of GSM why hasnt vodafone come over to the US? THey are the best carrier worldwide and they wont come over?
they did, remember the bidding war for attws?
Its because of their stake in VZW. THey know that CDMA in the US works better then GSM.
like all the technologies out there this varies from area to area.
The reason for this is because Verizon has been staying with CDMA for so long, its worth it and it shows in its network QUALITY, and that is all that matters when it comes to a service, is the quality.
again varies from area to area.
Also if you do your reading, afte...
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Well I wrote this message board to inform people that its true that cingular wireless maybe the #1 provider, but Verizon Wireless will have a bigger coverage area than cingular, even when cingular and att merge. Cingular is just going to have more costomers than Verizon.
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In response to why Vodaphone was bidding, have you considered that it was an intelligent biz move to drive up the cost to Cingular? And in reference to pulling out on the bidding there was some last minute info provided on the ATTWS status that was even less favorable than originally anticipated which would be another wise biz choice to let another carrier inherit the mess... Remember there will be lots of work to do before the public sees the real effects of this merger. Sit back and wait and see...
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here's a press release i got from the wsj:
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Cannes, France -- ARUN SARIN, chief executive officer of United Kingdom cellphone operator Vodafone Group PLC, said he expects his company to remain in its U.S. joint venture with Verizon Communications Inc. for the long term, even though the two companies' partnership came close to unraveling this month....
Less than two weeks ago, Vodafone, the world's largest cellphone operator by revenue, attempted to buy AT&T Wireless Services Inc., a move that would have compelled it to pull out of its Verizon joint venture, Verizon Wireless.
Having lost the auction for AT&T Wireless to Cingular Wireless, Mr. Sarin says he is content for Vodafone to keep its 45% stake in Verizon Wireless, eve
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The real question here is network stability... The ability to make calls... Many here claim verizon has the largest network, and in a technical sense, that may be true... But if you can't make calls, is the extra coverage worth it... ATT & Cingular will be able to extend coverage into their holes... Something Verizon is starting to fail at... In the last year, I have noticed Verizon is having an increase in dropped calls... An increase in calls not connected... And a deterioration of their customer service department... Look at the Arizona Coverage map... Then go try and make calls...
Technology, especially web based services have not kept up... Despite the many here that will say the website is top of the line???? How accurate are the ...
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Technology, especially web based services have not kept up... Despite the many here that will say the website is top of the line???? How accurate are the ...
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I've got a genius solution to this ultimately stupid question. Why don't we all WAIT and see what AT&T's and Cingular's combined network will look like AFTER the integration has taken place? Until then NONE of us has ANY idea what we're talking about, do we? A big hearty DUH to all of you.
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Anyone can estimate their coverage area. All they would have to do is to take the coverage map of Att and the coverage map of Cingular and compare them. Maybe even but them together. DUHHHH to much muchdramma. How much Cingular paid for Att, I doubt Cingular coverage will get any better any soon.
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you cannot butt super-impose or butt-up the at&tw map and the cingular map because, as it was mentioned earlier, Cingular is planning on selling portions of AT&TW's coverage area to recoop some of the costs of the merger.
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Yes, they are only selling portions of att coverage in areas that cingular already have coverage in. Most likely they will keep the coverage that att have but Cingular doesn't. With that being said, You should still make a prediction to Cingular future coverage area.
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Yes yes yes...predict that, predict this. Like I said to start off...we won't KNOW till everything's done and over with, will we? Yes? Yes.
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You're not taking into account that Cingular will have to make changes to their network in order to incorporate AT&T's. The size and quality of the combined networks may change significantly. I'm afraid your fullproof notion of "overlaying" Cingular and AT&T's networks to get an accurate representation of their combined effectiveness is ultimately stupid.
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