BetterThanJake said:

muchdrama said:

BeachSlapped said:
Poor VZW. Has anyone seen the numbers yet? URPU is taking a toll on VZW.

URPU?

Ah. That would be Unidentified Robots Per Ugandan.

Not a big stat over here, but in Africa, hey, look out.

You jerk. I now have Coca Cola in my lungs.

muchdrama said:

BetterThanJake said:

muchdrama said:

BeachSlapped said:
Poor VZW. Has anyone seen the numbers yet? URPU is taking a toll on VZW.

URPU?

Ah. That would be Unidentified Robots Per Ugandan.

Not a big stat over here, but in Africa, hey, look out.

You jerk. I now have Coca Cola in my lungs.

😁 😳 😁

It is tough right now profit wise for the next couple of quarters because we purchased a sick comapny in AT&T wireless. It is goign to amke Cingualr sick profit wise for a couple of quarters but as long as the huge add-ons keep coming future looks bright for the new cingular. It really is to early to compare anything besides add-ons.

i dont think cingular will be a competitor in the next 5-10 years especially since they did spend this 41 billion dollars plus 8 billion in att wireless' debt. i think it was a waste of money, in my opinion, and that cingular will pay for this mistake. just like in my opinion veriozn will pay for their 80 dollar per month ev-do pricing. i would rather be verizon spending 5 billion per year for the next 8 years by getting 48 million customers then cinglar paid 41 billion dolars upfront for 22 million subscribers. now they will have to spend more for umts/hsdpa roll out. who knows if that roll out will be successful.

i believe HSPDA willl be very successful. I think people our hungry for 3G services. Cingular needed to deploy 3G quicker. Wirelelss internet access usage is going up.

but the thing is. its you think, i think, everyone thinks. who knows? thats the point. no one knows.

First Mr 18, buying AT&T was not a mistake. Second, SBC & Bell South pockets run very deep so future capital will not be an issue for Cingular nor Verizon. These 2 carriers are in the driver seat. Both have a nice stash of spectrum and captial to roll out as many services as they please. It will be all the others trying to play catch up!

att was a mistake. lets think why?
1. their churn was increasing
2. they were actually losing customers
3. their brand name is terrible.
4. many terrible lawsuits with the company

att was not a mistake
1. good assets
2. 22 million subscribers.


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sbc and bell south dont have a lot of deep pockets after this 41 billion (plus 8 billion in debt). with landlines going down they will start to have a problem.

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verizon will beat out cingular. sprint/nextel will probably beat cingular. so we will see. tmobile will disapear.

Sprint Nextel will not. You are quick to try to point out what you think is wrong with Cingular/ATT. Well your company will have the largest problem to deal with. Figuring out a way to purge two totally different network technologies. Figuring out will they keep Nextel's TDMA 800 and reband it or move everyone to Sprint's 1900 PCS band which would sure overload their towers. ATT was a great pick-up because Cingular would not be able to roll out the services it needed without them. No company had as much spectrum as ATT no matter how bad it had gotten over there. Here's why it hurts so bad, Cingular is doing pretty good and adding record numbers of new customers. They are finally a viable competitor to the Verizon giant which is what ...
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yes nextel/sprint will. lets discuss why shall we?

1. they have the best CTO in the land with barry west.
2. by the way nextel has iden not tdma. but anyway they will have contig spectrum in the 800mhz spectrum to "transform" onto the cdma network. half of nextel's towers will be on the cdma network by 2007-2008
3. plenty of mmds spectrum to deploy wimax, flarion and ipwireless
4. 10mhz of nationwide contig 1.9ghz they got from the consensus plan.
5. 45k towers nationwide and growing. plenty of room on each other's towers to deploy equipment.
6. qchat over the rev a system
7. plenty of spectrum
8. very good with prepaid businesses
9. number 1 and number 2 in total arpu
10. together= number 1 in data arpu
11. good ads.
12. chu...
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Read up on what iden is based on. Anyways, by the time Sprint and Nextel gets everything straight, Cingy will have worked out all of there kinks, Verizon will be still be great and you will be playing catch up. Q Chat is not going to make droves of people leave there carrier, is that what you are banking on. Neither is EV-DO for that matter. Cingy will have HSDPA which will be able to compete greatly against EV-DO. PTT is good for businesses but has little valuable use outside the work place. Sprint/Nextel will be just like every other carrier with their own gimmick and be in third place unless they buy someone out.

ya, you are wrong with everything, it seems like. think my friend.. lets go over this again shall we? and if you dont get it i guess you dont get it.

nextel/sprint have
1. plenty of spectrum in the 800, 1.9ghz range
2. plenty of towers at 45k nationwide and growing at 3k per year for each provider.
3. co-locations would be happening
4. qchat will be on the REV A network
5. mmds spectrum can help deploy wimax, flarion, ipwireless and td-cdma. (and others)
6. very good network
7. highiest arpu
8. highiest data arpu
9. for 2004 total subs equal 7.3 million including boost mobile numbers.
10. boost mobile and virgin mobile
11. great ads.
12 mvno's and affiliates doing well.
13. half of nextel's towers will be on the cdma network...
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Predictions is this. Cingular and Verizon will go neck and neck for some time to come. Hard to say who will win because Cingular has so much potential just as Verizon did a few years ago. Sprint and Nextel will continue to offer services in their respectable nitches. Data and PTT for businesses. But I don't forsee them gaining over 10 million customers in a few years to take over 1 or 2. That is very unlikely. Verizon and Cingular will continue to get their fare share of adds, one uping the other each quarter. The only way Sprint/Nextel will come to the forefront is unless someone's service goes completely to the dogs and that is not going to happen. But hey, third place is not bad. If it makes you feel any better, I think they wil...
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your not helping your case. so i will let you think about my questions again, and then take your time then state in the format i did.

by the way, fyi in 2004 they got 7.3 million subscribers. (nextel/sprint) verizon got 6.3 million in 2004. and not sure about cingular.

again, try again, and think about what your saying and answer my questions if you cant dont bother responding.

Man what's up with the hostility. I answered the ?'s that I felt like answering. There are only a few that I am concerned with so those will be the ones that I answered. It will be ok, don't let me get on your nerves the same way you get on mine.

ygbhen said:
Man what's up with the hostility. I answered the ?'s that I felt like answering. There are only a few that I am concerned with so those will be the ones that I answered. It will be ok, don't let me get on your nerves the same way you get on mine.

Don't fret over Nxte18. He is with an also ran company and has the need to rub shoulders with the big boys....so he invents reasons why Sprint and Nextel should be respectable while harping on the 41 Billion post after post spent for ATTWS. When I worked for Xerox we used NExtel walkie talkies. There is you biggest reason to use NExtel....and the only reason with the other choices out there. HE calims T MObile will be gone. Thats an incredable stat...
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Kingfrog. I have to disagree with you on T Mobile and The Cingular vs VZW thing.

We generally have good discussions when it comes to things like this, so here goes...

I agree with you that todays young users are tomorrows business peoples, however you said that young adults dont travel much, true. However tomorrow, when they are the business people, more and more will have to travel due to their jobs, I think that T Mobiles biggest downfall, currently is its coverage area, or lack therefore, I think T Mobile will only become a "thorn" when it grows its coverage, once it does it will be a prickly one, but not just yet.

As far as Cingy vs. VZW new adds goes it has just been 1 quarter, lets wait until this quarters comes out before we ...
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wfine81 said:
Kingfrog. I have to disagree with you on T Mobile and The Cingular vs VZW thing.

We generally have good discussions when it comes to things like this, so here goes...

I agree with you that todays young users are tomorrows business peoples, however you said that young adults dont travel much, true. However tomorrow, when they are the business people, more and more will have to travel due to their jobs, I think that T Mobiles biggest downfall, currently is its coverage area, or lack therefore, I think T Mobile will only become a "thorn" when it grows its coverage, once it does it will be a prickly one, but not just yet.

As far as Cingy vs. VZW new adds goes it has just been 1 quarter, lets wait until

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Cingular tried to buy T-mobile USA but they decliend the offer a couple of years ago. Cingular does want to and will at some point buy T-mobile.

I agree and the FCC will not have an issue with that because T Mobile is not big enough and there will still be three major Carriers on different technologies. It would give one company one technology for better or worse.

I would love to see Cingular buy T Mobile...of course they would ruin the great Customer Serice T MObile supposedly has in may eyes.

fcc wont allow tmobile to merge with cingular/att wireless. why? that would mean that the combine company would have 50 million plus 16 million tmobile has now= 66 million subscribers. there is no way that the fcc will allow that.

again you dont understand the wireless industry and how it works.

its not about 3 major carriers on different technologies its about who controls what in what markets. cingular/att wireless/ tmobile will control WAYYYYYY too much. just like if verizon and sprint merges.

by the way, then you would have dt, sbc, bell south, which the fcc wont allow that either.

so 1. your wrong about cingular buying tmobile. it wont happen. 2. the fcc/ftc/and puc's wont allow that. 3. give up on that theory becuase it ...
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nextel18 said:
fcc wont allow tmobile to merge with cingular/att wireless. why? that would mean that the combine company would have 50 million plus 16 million tmobile has now= 66 million subscribers. there is no way that the fcc will allow that.

again you dont understand the wireless industry and how it works.

I love it how you tell people they don't know how the industry works when your own words show the immaturity of your own wireless career...

The number of subscribers does not even come into play.
The number of competitors and choices is what matters. The fcc cares more about that and the amount of spectrum that a company has. A company can have EVERY subscriber available and it's not a monopo...
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alright. i said those things to get a reply from you, which i knew it would happen. by the way would DT want to sell tmobile? come on now. use common sense.

cingular tried to buy tmobile? when was this? "Cingular does want to and will at some point buy T-mobile."

this wont happen.

nextel18 said:
cingular tried to buy tmobile? when was this? "Cingular does want to and will at some point buy T-mobile."

this wont happen.

Right before Cingular decided to buy ATTWS, they made overtures towards Tmobile. Deutsche didn't bite.

i dont blame them, DT that is. i actually like tmobile, more then i like cingular/att wireless. it will be difficult, in my opinion, for tmobile to merge with any usa carrier. the only one i can think of is either alltel, maybe sprint/nextel or maybe verizon. it will be difficult. any idea what tmobile's niche area is?

nextel18 said:
i dont blame them, DT that is. i actually like tmobile, more then i like cingular/att wireless. it will be difficult, in my opinion, for tmobile to merge with any usa carrier. the only one i can think of is either alltel, maybe sprint/nextel or maybe verizon. it will be difficult. any idea what tmobile's niche area is?

Niche area? As in geographical area or what they offer to customers?

nevermind. sorry i asked.

nextel18 said:
nevermind. sorry i asked.

Geeze, man...you said "niche area" so I wasn't sure what you were getting at. If you would have clarified I would have answered you to the best of my ability.

you know what niche means. the area that they dominate in. ie nextel's niche is push to talk and the business, gov, and corp accounts. etc..

nextel18 said:
you know what niche means. the area that they dominate in. ie nextel's niche is push to talk and the business, gov, and corp accounts. etc..

Okay. Thanks for explaining that. I didn't know what you meant by "area". Tmobile's niche is offering low prices and great data solutions to those on a budget.

you think they can sustain the growth among those people who are on a budget?

what happens if cingular/att wireless, sprint/nextel and verizon comes out with umts/hsdpa and ev-do, what would happen to tmobile at this point?

nextel18 said:
you think they can sustain the growth among those people who are on a budget?

what happens if cingular/att wireless, sprint/nextel and verizon comes out with umts/hsdpa and ev-do, what would happen to tmobile at this point?

Tmobile's thrived while it's competition has slowly rolled out these services. In fact, I wouldn't necessarily call Cingular, Sprint/Nextel, or Verizon Tmobile's competition. Like you said, Tmobile's a niche carrier. By taking a wait and see attitude, they avoided costly mergers, upgrades, etc... They've also picked up quite a few subscribers. People like them. Tmobile's hip and fun. And yes, I do expect Tmobile to continue its growth.

but again, customers want functionality soon, and since nextel/sprint will deploy DO, cingular/att wireless will deploy umts/hsdpa and verizon to deploy DO, what will tmobile do?

nextel18 said:
but again, customers want functionality soon, and since nextel/sprint will deploy DO, cingular/att wireless will deploy umts/hsdpa and verizon to deploy DO, what will tmobile do?

You'd be surprised how many people adopt high speed wireless services. It's a small pool. Don't expect every subscriber to jump on board, or to even know what's going on. Tmobile's supposedly got EDGE running on the downlow in some markets...and they do plan to upgrade directly to HSPDA. I actually think they're sitting pretty.

they cant just directly upgrade from edge to hsdpa. they have to go to umts first then go to hsdpa. there are basically steps to get to hsdpa you cant just "leap" to it.

nextel18 said:
they cant just directly upgrade from edge to hsdpa. they have to go to umts first then go to hsdpa. there are basically steps to get to hsdpa you cant just "leap" to it.

Whatever the plan may be...they do indeed have plans to do something.

well, we will see. looks to me that tmobile needs to act quickly. on phonescoop it doesnt even state their plans to upgrade to umts/hsdpa.

nextel18 said:
well, we will see. looks to me that tmobile needs to act quickly. on phonescoop it doesnt even state their plans to upgrade to umts/hsdpa.

Act quickly or not, they're adding customers at a great rate.

of course they are, however, if other customers have a better functions then tmobile, unfort customers will go to that carrier.

nextel18 said:
of course they are, however, if other customers have a better functions then tmobile, unfort customers will go to that carrier.

For the first couple of years, maybe more, not a lot of customers will give a crap about EV DO and HSPDA. By the time folks are educated and decide they'd like to experience either of these two technologies, Tmobile will have a similar platform in place. There'll be early adopters, but there won't be a firestorm of subscribers breaking down Cingular/Verizon's doors for high speed data.

"For the first couple of years, maybe more, not a lot of customers will give a crap about EV DO and HSPDA."

please explain. i know of course you dont understand the wireless world that much, but try to state why YOU THINK that they dont give a "Crap" about it? thanks.

Because them majority of customers DON'T care yet. They want a phone that will work well. While the number of people interested in high speed date is growing, it's still a very small percentage of wireless users. And only a percentage of THAT percentage understand the difference between, for example, 1xRtt and EV-DO. It will be awhile before it's really in demand.

well high speed data isnt even fully nationwide yet from the carriers. you can see that data arpu across the board has been increasing which can say a few things. 1. data is in demand. 2. people cant wait for the next high speed data platform so there would be more applications.

nextel18 said:
"For the first couple of years, maybe more, not a lot of customers will give a crap about EV DO and HSPDA."

please explain. i know of course you dont understand the wireless world that much, but try to state why YOU THINK that they dont give a "Crap" about it? thanks.

Why would you say I don't understand the wireless world? I thought we were going to be civil with one another?

The fact is, the huge majority of wireless customers are WAY behind the technology curve. I have customers every day who are stunned and amazed that their phone can do wireless web, or even that it uses a SIM card the way it does. In other words, most of them will not give a crap about EV-DO or HDSPA for several years. They don't understand why anybody would want to use their phone for anything except phone calls.

JDigital said:
The fact is, the huge majority of wireless customers are WAY behind the technology curve. I have customers every day who are stunned and amazed that their phone can do wireless web, or even that it uses a SIM card the way it does. In other words, most of them will not give a crap about EV-DO or HDSPA for several years. They don't understand why anybody would want to use their phone for anything except phone calls.

A great reason why Tmobile won't get "swept aside" by tumultuous high speed data seas. By the time people start paying attention, Tmobile will have a similar system in place. It might not be as advanced, but it'll be competitive.

"They don't understand why anybody would want to use their phone for anything except phone calls."

look at data arpu among the carriers. that will shwo that people are interested in more then just calling.

because you say things that are false. the numbers that i am seeing shows that you are wrong. (i showed links etc.. qualcomm is seeing gains with DO and other things.) we are civil but i dont like the fact that some of you guys stretch the truth a bit and say nonsense that doesnt make sense.

nextel18 said:
because you say things that are false. the numbers that i am seeing shows that you are wrong. (i showed links etc.. qualcomm is seeing gains with DO and other things.) we are civil but i dont like the fact that some of you guys stretch the truth a bit and say nonsense that doesnt make sense.

Well, you can't be civil AND tell me I'm spreading lies and misinformation. C'mon man, I'm serious...let's be civil.

i am civil, however, if people lie and make up numbers i wont be especially when i am seeing somethign totally differnt then what they are speaking.

again, i am civil. people who spread mis-information arent civil becuase they are lying about it and spreading incorrect rumors. thats why i ask if people would back things up.

muchdrama said:

nextel18 said:
of course they are, however, if other customers have a better functions then tmobile, unfort customers will go to that carrier.

For the first couple of years, maybe more, not a lot of customers will give a crap about EV DO and HSPDA. By the time folks are educated and decide they'd like to experience either of these two technologies, Tmobile will have a similar platform in place. There'll be early adopters, but there won't be a firestorm of subscribers breaking down Cingular/Verizon's doors for high speed data.

I agree. Many do not even have broadband in their homes and stick with dial up.

Who is going to pay $80 for wireless internet servi...
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" Many do not even have broadband in their homes and stick with dial up. "

where do you get these things?

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read this...

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0412/ »

Broadband Growth in the US
Broadband penetration in the US grew by 0.73 points to 53.59% in November, up from 52.86% in October. This increase is lower than the average increase in broadband of 1.0 point per month over the previous twelve months. Broadband share in the US should exceed 70% by November of 2005
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http://www.tfi.com/pubs/r/r02004_broadband.html »

By 2006, U.S. broadband penetration will likely reach 50% and a shift to data rates of 24 Mb/s to 100 Mb/s will have begun. By 2010, 75% broadband penetration is likely, with 10% to 20% of househ...
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nextel18 said:
" Many do not even have broadband in their homes and stick with dial up. "

where do you get these things?

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read this...

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0412/ »

Broadband Growth in the US
Broadband penetration in the US grew by 0.73 points to 53.59% in November, up from 52.86% in October. This increase is lower than the average increase in broadband of 1.0 point per month over the previous twelve months. Broadband share in the US should exceed 70% by November of 2005
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http://www.tfi.com/pubs/r/r02004_broadband.html »

By 2006, U.S. broadband penetration will likely reach 50% and a shift to data rates of 24 Mb/s to 100 Mb/s will have begun. By 2010, 75% broadband penetration i

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yea, i know. he says things that he doesnt think is true. he also said something about push to talk isnt popular lol..

Try this for size?

More proof of Verizon arrogance

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/04/19/Business/Verizon_C ... »

I wonder if Verizon is going to beat Cingular's adds this quarter?

If so I will not post here any more as I have said.

I'm finally beginning to understand the arrogance of Verizon is from the top down...

A corporate culture as reflected by the CEO.

Damm I'm good.

Now lets see your results Verizon....Lets see just how good I am.

Digital Pimp said:

nextel18 said:
" Many do not even have broadband in their homes and stick with dial up. "

where do you get these things?

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read this...

http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0412/ »

Broadband Growth in the US
Broadband penetration in the US grew by 0.73 points to 53.59% in November, up from 52.86% in October. This increase is lower than the average increase in broadband of 1.0 point per month over the previous twelve months. Broadband share in the US should exceed 70% by November of 2005
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http://www.tfi.com/pubs/r/r02004_broadband.html »

By 2006, U.S. broadband penetration will likely reach 50% and a shift to data rates of 24 Mb/s to 100 Mb/s will have begu

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no, you read it wrong. lets do it again..

"Broadband penetration in the US grew by 0.73 points to 53.59% in November, up from 52.86% in October"

thus; its already over 53 percent.


"By 2006, U.S. broadband penetration will likely reach 50% and a shift to data rates of 24 Mb/s to 100 Mb/s will have begun"

this has to do with rate speeds of 24mb/s and HIGHER.

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so its not him. its just becuase he is wrong.

read it again, if you need clarifcation or help ask.

ooops, it was in the message, not the link.

alrighty. 🙂

Many do NOT have Broadband in their homes. Whats incorrect about that? 50% do NOT have it. Thats many to me. Its been around long enough. When the price point gets to dial up there will be a huge bump.

The technology SHOULD reach 70% but will it? There are a lot of factors to consider. Projections are just that.

And if it does it will most likely cost much less than Carrier implimented wireless rendering carrier wireless a specialized market much like PTT.

should i belive those surveys and actual facts then you? hmmm i wonder. (its not you)

kingfrog77 said:
Don't fret over Nxte18. He is with an also ran company and has the need to rub shoulders with the big boys....so he invents reasons why Sprint and Nextel should be respectable while harping on the 41 Billion post after post spent for ATTWS. When I worked for Xerox we used NExtel walkie talkies. There is you biggest reason to use NExtel....and the only reason with the other choices out there. HE calims T MObile will be gone. Thats an incredable statement from someone who has "contacts" and does "channel checks." T Mobile will always be the thorn in the side of the top Carriers and a regional niche player. Teens and young adults who do not travel love T Mobiles pricing and data. They are tomorrows adult bus

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There you go, as usual Jake, fueling the fire rather then discussing the fallacies or truths of the content.

I think you just like the fight and do not care about the content. Nextel18 gets into long winded arguments on this board and rarely if ever gets down to your level of contempt.

So.....big deal....I think he is wrong. Dead wrong. I also think he has a need to be "looked up to" That is evidenced by his own stated preferred need to be around people with money and to spread is own successes whether true or not around so easily. Its not hard to see where he is coming from at such a young age. Money and the display of such IS success to many young. Its everything.

His values will change though. They will have to because there w...
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very well stated, you mentioned..

"You get to a pint in life when you realize nobody really cares about the person only your money and then you realize its your own tail more mature and life experienced people stop chasing."

I am also very young, (I dont know nextels age, 18?) I think that the "chase" you described is a very healthy thing and too may young people today do not have it, the "chase" is a burning to be the best, second best literally feels like you accomplished nothing. There is always another dollar to be made, another business acquisition to conquer, and another hill to climb, I don't think we are doing it to compete as much as young people do it for ourselves, we love the "chase"

I might have completely mis interpret...
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YOu almost got it. I think the "chase" is healthy . But not for money or respect from others. This is where I think people realize much older what they gave up was not worth what they have.

Money should never be the destination. Its all about the journey and sometimes when you enjoy the journey money comes along with it as a bonus. Many people SEEK the money as a destination. They do something for the money. More than they need. Many use it to gain respect from others. Its a false respect and has nothing to do with the person. They end up empty and wondering how those without it can possibly be happy.....Becasue they never learned what those contented people know.

ok, I understand, what if your chasing for money and success, not because of what others think but because of how it makes you feel?

I understand what you mean by saying that older people realize what they have given up, time away from faimly, missed paising kinds bad relationships, I really understand that, my father was that way and I missed out when I was younger, he was very successful and wealthy but we had a terrible relationship.

But.... what is wrong with being a young man (early 20's), no children or wife, only a girlfriend (of 5 years), through the party and hanging out stage, what is wrong with somebody like that busting his but 90+ hrs a week to try and get ahead in life? Maybe slowing up a little when a faimly comes along...
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wfine81 said:
ok, I understand, what if your chasing for money and success, not because of what others think but because of how it makes you feel?

I understand what you mean by saying that older people realize what they have given up, time away from faimly, missed paising kinds bad relationships, I really understand that, my father was that way and I missed out when I was younger, he was very successful and wealthy but we had a terrible relationship.

But.... what is wrong with being a young man (early 20's), no children or wife, only a girlfriend (of 5 years), through the party and hanging out stage, what is wrong with somebody like that busting his but 90+ hrs a week to try and get ahead in life? Maybe slowing up

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I understand that

i am 21.

Its good to have another youngin on here! 23 here!

heheh. hey the problem is, that guy, not king frog, always loves to start things. its pathetic, i think.

no, the merger didnt make me mad, i am just stating obvious things and my opinion on it. if you disagree go for it. you just state your opinion, i state mine, and we will see each other in 3-5 years and we will see who is the "winner". you think cingular/att wireless i think nextel.

make some predictions then. state why you think etc.. i did with mine. the other person didnt with theirs.

after this quarter i want you to tell me what the other providers will get for the remaning 2005. then i want you to discuss the arpu and churn if you want to. then i want you to tell me with the numbers that you think who is going to be number 1, 2 and 3 after 1 year to 5 years if you want to. see the problem is, i actually state my opinion, laying ...
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I laid myself on the line LAST JULY and was ridiculed for it....Just so happens I was right.

I think Cingular will contimue to grow and out pace VErizon. The reason being the technology. GSM offers more on every level. Peole will and do see that. I think VErizon needs a "new story" THe old press is gone or going. They cannot claim the biggest network in real terms. They can claim Customer Service but the adds Cingular just had point out the fact that CU, JD POwers and the LOWEST CS ratings have no real bearing on the market right now. Its bells and whistles and price for such.

Sprint is an also ran and NExtel will be in trouble should VErizon or Cingular have a capable PTT solution.

I stand by my pedictions of last JUNE.
In 2 year...
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Ok kingfrog...


If you were in charge of Verizon what would you do right now?

wfine81 said:
Ok kingfrog...


If you were in charge of Verizon what would you do right now?

Well They are already doing some of the things I would have not thought they would do. Lowering price plans, no roaming plans.......etc. But those things really signify weakness in the market place. Like auto rebates. I would educate and prepare the stock holders for a financial slip so they can operate freely and not worry about short term goals.

I would "retrain" my employees and make them realize they are second..PERIOD....not first in CS, ARPU etc..Second period. Wipe away the arrogance and become a humble company who knows what they are up against rather then deny it.

This is huge and much more diffi...
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arpu means everything. arpu is a base of the revenue. i dont care if it means nothing to YOU, but it means everythign to the providers especially since the market has only 300 million people.

yea, tmobile should be interesting, all though they are lonely with only 16 million subscribers. nextel/sprint has 42.9, verizon has 48 and cingular has 50. that is why i said tmobile wont be a part of this. there is no way that tmobile will be ahead of nextel/sprint in 2 years. why? well nextel/sprint has 42.9 subscribers, while tmobile has 16 million. that would mean that tmobile would have to get an approx 13.45 million per year for 2 years JUST TO HIT the 42.9 million, while nextel/sprint should be getting atleast a min of 5 million subscribers....
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Thats what they were saying about Cingular last Summer...What if SBc makes an offer for T Mobile?

I really don't follow Sprint or Nextel so Im really poking in the dark there. I do like T Mobile tough and I like what I see there.
I do think T mobile is going to surprise everyone with thier additions. As I think Verizon will surprise in the reverse. Sprint and Nextel are just not in the game to me. Maybe as one company they will seem more relavant.

I know no one who has Sprint. Nextel users are business walkie talkie types for long distances.

yea, i love tmobile, however, the USA network wont be very good here. what if SBC bids for tmobile? well number 1 the fcc wont allow that since SBC owns cingular and now att wireless. but what can happen is that sbc can break off from bell south and then make an offer, but why would they? why would they sell out their share to buy tmobile? it just like why would vodaphone want to go after att wireless and they would have to sell their verizon wireless stake? it wouldnt happen. but, tmobile doesnt even have wireless high speed data yet, cingular/att wireless does or will very soon. plus cingular/att wireless has about 3.125 times the amount of what tmobile has with regards to total subscribers. i am affraid tmobile usa wont last here, unle...
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Sprints high ARPU has to be data oriented. But without a uge amount of adds you had better have ARPU becasue thats where your biggest source of income is. New adds ofset the larger Carriers with lower ARPU by design. What Im saying is you talk APRU and how Nextel is on top. Thats not a number that will get customers, but it is a number that if it were not where it is would have a huge effect on Nextel's business. Its not so much a factor for the large Carriers.


You are right I hesitate to predict Nextel and Sprint becasue I don't follow them much. They are both "also rans" to me. To me an average consumer the smaller T Mobile "SEEMS" larger in image. Now thats a problem for Sprint and Nextel considering T Mobile's meager size. They see...
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again, sprint has the highiest data arpu, but they also have the 2nd highiest regular arpu which is at $62 becuase they actually get a lot of highier rate plans, just like nextel.

its all about arpu and churn. compare nextel's arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user to others. you will see that its the best, cept for verizon with churn by a few basis points.

you like information and facts, you can search it up and look. you will see that i am right.

i dont think tmobile will do well in the future. i really dont.

nextel18 said:
again, sprint has the highiest data arpu, but they also have the 2nd highiest regular arpu which is at $62 becuase they actually get a lot of highier rate plans, just like nextel.

its all about arpu and churn. compare nextel's arpu, churn, and lifetime revenue per user to others. you will see that its the best, cept for verizon with churn by a few basis points.

you like information and facts, you can search it up and look. you will see that i am right.

i dont think tmobile will do well in the future. i really dont.

The problem with those numbers you are so proud of is that they do nothing to gain new business. You can't use them effectively to advertise....

WE HAVE the HIGHES...
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nothing to gain new business? thats interesting. boost mobile gets a lot of business. look at their numbers from they started to now. look at their core business(nextel adds). 2004 NET ADDS= 2.2 million subscribers for the core and 750k from their boost mobile. net adds= new business. you should know that.

verizon and cingy wont have good push to talk solutions we all know that, especially since qchat will become available soon.

Yes..Churn numbers don't gain business, no does ARPU....Bth mean nothing to the general public....

And If pay as you go phones are the future of Nextel...Well I suppose good for Nextel!!

Cingy and VErizon may not ever have PTT like NExtel...My point was IF they ever did come through NExtel would not be the PTT king very long.

lol.. this is how you gain business. 1. by expanding. 2. new products and services.3. and other things.

by the way, churn, lifetime revenue per user, total adds, arpu means that your growing. boost mobile is doing extremly well vs the other prepaid markets.

yea, i know that you said IF but qchat will destroy both of them combined, so thats not a problem.

i never said prepaid was the future for nextel, but they are starting to go to consumers by that way and through their plans. more plans are better for consumers then for business people like free incoming and that 1000 anytime mins plans, and that power plans. all of them have been very popular. all nextel needs now is to have consumer friendly phones instead of business savy pho...
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ATTWS/Sprint ATTWS Sprint.....I think ATTWS was a better choice....

If Nextel has to use Pre paid phone plans as Chum they are in trouble already. You can't see that?

Sprint may be the only reason Nextel can grow as PTT is a niche market and probably saturated. Those who need alrady have it.

Churn and APRU results is great for the boardroom but AGAIN means nothing interms of getting MORE NEW customers. Watch how Cingular is doing it in the face of BAD churn BAD CS, BAD APRU......Even you may learn something...

You always turn the argument in another direction in your desperate need to be right and accepted......Im not in the business and I can see through the BS.

"If Nextel has to use Pre paid phone plans as Chum they are in trouble already. You can't see that?"

yea, you dont understand business. they grow their business by doing differnt things to attract others. all the other providers have prepaid services. how are they in trouble? lol.. just becuase they want to target the people who doesnt have enough credit to get regular nextel means that they are in trouble? by the way the 18-25+ market is a 10+ billion dollar market. lol, but you wouldnt know that.

"Churn and APRU results is great for the boardroom but AGAIN means nothing interms of getting MORE NEW customers. Watch how Cingular is doing it in the face of BAD churn BAD CS, BAD APRU......Even you may learn something..."

of course ch...
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Thats my point I am not even in the business nor do i admit I know alot about it.....But even lowly customer I can see a pile of BS from someone who really does not care as much about the business then getting into endless rants with everyone on all the forums.

You do need to appear credible but you work against that with the way you conduct yourself. I admit I don't care about what others think of me here. But you do. Desperately, and as such you need to stop talking and listen to others for a change.

What is a 20 year store jockey going to teach anyone about business? You need to read more than pamplets......

i care about business, but the thing is, people who think they know about business should think about many factors. such as churn, arpu, (word of mouth), and lifetime revenue per user. you need to keep your subscribers and then treat them with respect so you can get referals from them and to get new subscribers and business. thats how you grow. hence when they said NET NEW ADS they are talking about new growth.

conduct myself online? lol i dont care for that, i dont care what people think or dont think about me, it doesnt bother me what-so ever. i dont need to listen to others who dont know what they are talking about nor doesnt understand business and the wireless industry and how things work. they also shouldnt be bashing me becuase i...
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Ah excuse me a whole 21 years old....Yeah you have years of business experience....It was only yesterday you were selling Candy to support your HS Football team.Bet you were the top in sales and churn there as well...Please. Get some dirt on your soles before you caim you've been everywhere......

You DO care what people think.Desperately.

Every night you get into these back and forth "dialogs" with someone trying to make sense out of your words. You do not understand what is said to you. You twist others words then insult them when you have nothing left.

Same MO night after night on three boards....Well Im not going to be your rube tonight son...You will have to find another to keep you company.

i dont care what anyone says.

by the way high school was a while ago, al though i do miss it.

yea, these guys are funny including you who doesnt understand busness yet you tell me i dont lol... hahahha. i understand perfectly what people are saying to me. insult them first? hahah they insult me first then i insult back.

well you keep me company for the past hour or so, so what does that say about you? lol.

you are very funny. lol.. you know nothing about business. lol

kingfrog77 said:
Cingy and VErizon may not ever have PTT like NExtel...My point was IF they ever did come through NExtel would not be the PTT king very long.

That's because Verizon and Cingular started as Wireless Carrier, not walkie talkie manufacturers. iDEN used Motorola's radio paten's to make walkie talkies work like cell phones, pushing the rest of the carriers back 50 years. PTT was the worst thing to happen to the Wireless industry. Granted, it has worked for Nextel, but that's it. If it were so great, then Nextel would be the number one provider in the country, but that is not the case. VZW and Cingular have to make a pretty much obsolete communications work over very complicated networks, which I...
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nah, your not getting on my nerves, just not answering any of my questions. not a big deal i guess. thanks anyway for our conversation.

Nextel18...

You pointed out that Nextel and Sprint combined for 7.3 million new customers, however this is not an accurate total for what the combined company would have gotten,

Example how many would not have signed up with Nextel-Sprint if they had been combined, say somebody had Sprint and got "screwed" in their opnion 🙄, they would not have gone to nextel because they are the same company, or those who have had past experiences with nextel or sprint that just leaves one less option to choose from.

I guess what I am saying is those who left nextel for Sprint and vice versa shouldnt count towards the 7.3 you quoted

its 7.3 new subscribers that they got in 2004. i added what nextel got and what sprint got. its that simple.

thats not what I meant, how many left nextel and went to sprint, or how many left sprint and went to Nextel, you cant count those, since technically they satayed with the same company (sprint-nextel)

yea, no one knows about that. but regardless, its adding their total subscribers to 42.9 subscribers. i belive both their churns went down so one could think that it didnt come from each other. its hard to assume that though.

you cant even answer this.. https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=2&fi=241981

anyway, try again, if you cant dont bother answering or replying back.

To be truthful, Nextel has way more spectrum than anyone else has dreamed of.
Cingular will remain competitive, Verizon will remain competitive but Sprint-Nextel could be sitting in the best place. If they can make Flarion work as it has shown it can. Flarion/WIMAX will be the heir apparent to CDMA and UMTS.
Marrying incompatible technologies is not nearly as difficult as it may seem. Look at what Cingular did when they moved from TDMA to GSM. They did it one market at a time, one customer at a time. A gradual migration from one platform to another and they added capacity as it was needed. The move from IDEN to CDMA is not any different. One market at a time, one customer at a time.
The whole premise of this thread is to try to get a ri...
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Dude, how old are you?

hahaha. so i post all that, and you just ask how old i am? i belive i said my age somewhere. as people say on here, "go search".

My time is way too valuable to waste it doing that. You are a conundrum, so I am trying to put age into the equation to help figure out the puzzle that is you.

to valuable? hmm really? so why are you online now? you should go out and do your thang. your from texas, its not the "value" area.

It is 9:43 PM and I have kids. I have no interest in sifting through 1000's of posts for that one item. Thanks but no thanks.

so why not tend to those kids?

Nevermind. You must be a child. NO age answer required.

nevermind? lol it was just a question since we are wasting your "valuable" time. lol.

the reason for AT&T wireless problems was piss poor decisions by upper management. They decided to change the billing system the day before the start of number portability. Then when the new system failed due to lack of testing they got fined every day from the November of 03 to April of 04. Another big reason for the merger is the high ARPU business customers AT&T had. They pay big money for data services and they love international roaming and data services. SBC is not counting on landline services to grow their business that is the reason for their investment in Cingular. They have a business plan that is focused more on VOIP and expanding their most profitable business unit DSL. SBC yahoo DSL has been a money maker for SBC. I have also s...
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we will see if the merger will help, my opinion is that it wont. we will see.

i am waiting for the REV A, wimax, flarion, td--cdma, umts/hsdpa competition. should be fun.

nextel18 said:
we will see if the merger will help, my opinion is that it wont. we will see.

i am waiting for the REV A, wimax, flarion, td--cdma, umts/hsdpa competition. should be fun.

You can wait all year for Flarion...it's a dead technology.

based on what? see the problem is that you always repeat yourself, and even when you do that you dont state any opinion why. thats the problem with you and a lot of people on here. you dont explain your reasoning. you are wrong in every way. (anyway)

nextel18 said:
based on what? see the problem is that you always repeat yourself, and even when you do that you dont state any opinion why. thats the problem with you and a lot of people on here. you dont explain your reasoning. you are wrong in every way. (anyway)

Whoa, whoa, whoa...I wasn't rude to you, so please don't be rude to me. I'm just telling you that Nextel/Sprint has dumped Flarion in favor of EV DO. Now, at some point in the future, perhaps some other carrier/wireless data operator may offer a version of Flarion. But I doubt it.

i am not being rude to you. lol.

they dumped them for now, it doesnt mean that flarion is bad or anything like that. just ev-do rev a had better capabilities and lower latency then flarion. (especially for doing qchat. qchat wouldnt work that well on flarion) but with the new speeds out there called flex band maybe things will change. again, just becuase nextel/sprint goes away from flarion now, doesnt mean they wont go back in the future to them.

you can doubt all you want, flarion especially their new flex band is very fast. (read their flexband system)

nextel18 said:
i am not being rude to you. lol.

they dumped them for now, it doesnt mean that flarion is bad or anything like that. just ev-do rev a had better capabilities and lower latency then flarion. (especially for doing qchat. qchat wouldnt work that well on flarion) but with the new speeds out there called flex band maybe things will change. again, just becuase nextel/sprint goes away from flarion now, doesnt mean they wont go back in the future to them.

you can doubt all you want, flarion especially their new flex band is very fast. (read their flexband system)

I never said Flarion was a 'bad' technology. I just said it's hit a dead end as far as adoption is concerned. As of right now no one ...
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bad=dead.

iden is a dead technology. flarion isnt. no one is considering it?

http://www.flarion.com/news/2004_pr.asp »

December 7, 2004
Cellular One of Amarillo Launches Market Trial of Flarion's FLASH-OFDM Technology for Mobile Broadband Services
October 18, 2004
NETGEAR® and Flarion Team to Deliver Wi-Fi to Mobile Broadband Communication Products

October 14, 2004
Aloha Partners Launches Market Trial of Flarion's FLASH-OFDM Technology to Offer Mobile Broadband to Public Safety and Rural Homes

October 7, 2004
Siemens to integrate FLASH-OFDM® into its portfolio of mobile broadband solutions

September 8, 2004
Flarion announces T- Mobile to undertake Trial of Mobile Broadband Data System in Europe

June 15, 2004
Le...
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nextel18 said:
bad=dead.

iden is a dead technology. flarion isnt. no one is considering it?

http://www.flarion.com/news/2004_pr.asp »

December 7, 2004
Cellular One of Amarillo Launches Market Trial of Flarion's FLASH-OFDM Technology for Mobile Broadband Services
October 18, 2004
NETGEAR® and Flarion Team to Deliver Wi-Fi to Mobile Broadband Communication Products

October 14, 2004
Aloha Partners Launches Market Trial of Flarion's FLASH-OFDM Technology to Offer Mobile Broadband to Public Safety and Rural Homes

October 7, 2004
Siemens to integrate FLASH-OFDM® into its portfolio of mobile broadband solutions

September 8, 2004
Flarion announces T- Mobile to undertake Trial of Mobile Broadband Data Sy

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i hate to point this out to you, flarion isnt dead. flarion's new flex band will destroy hsdpa.

there are vendors and there are providers ready out there to roll it out, however, they are waying their options. flarion isnt dead. soryr. keep saying that.

nextel18 said:
i hate to point this out to you, flarion isnt dead. flarion's new flex band will destroy hsdpa.

there are vendors and there are providers ready out there to roll it out, however, they are waying their options. flarion isnt dead. soryr. keep saying that.

1. drama never said that Flarion was dead. He said no one was grooming it for wide release. That is true. Flarion is still trying to get picked up by a major carrier(which it hasn't).
2. Those vendors are waiting on their options because Flarion obviously isn't the best choice for them(or they wouldn't be waiting on other options).
3. HSDPA will have speeds up to 20megs.
According to the Flarion website, Flarion w/Flexband will be a...
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morning. hsdpa wont hit 20mb/s like they are saying. flexband is saying that 1.25mhz would be deliver peak downlink data rates of 5.3Mbps, 1.8Mbps uplink, 2.5Mbps sustainable sector throughput and consistent high-speed data performance of up to 800Kbps at the cell edge. and 5mhz would system voice calls increase to 186 per sector and data rates increase to 15.9Mbps peak and 6Mbps sustainable.

looks good to me. but anyway hsdpa wont be sustaining 20mb/s like flarion and wimax would be or could be.

nextel18 said:
morning. hsdpa wont hit 20mb/s like they are saying. flexband is saying that 1.25mhz would be deliver peak downlink data rates of 5.3Mbps, 1.8Mbps uplink, 2.5Mbps sustainable sector throughput and consistent high-speed data performance of up to 800Kbps at the cell edge. and 5mhz would system voice calls increase to 186 per sector and data rates increase to 15.9Mbps peak and 6Mbps sustainable.

looks good to me. but anyway hsdpa wont be sustaining 20mb/s like flarion and wimax would be or could be.

It's real funny, because if you look at Flarion's site, your numbers are wrong. And if you look at Lucent's or damn near anyone else's hsdpa information, then you'd know you're wrong on that ...
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PhoenixAshes said:

nextel18 said:
morning. hsdpa wont hit 20mb/s like they are saying. flexband is saying that 1.25mhz would be deliver peak downlink data rates of 5.3Mbps, 1.8Mbps uplink, 2.5Mbps sustainable sector throughput and consistent high-speed data performance of up to 800Kbps at the cell edge. and 5mhz would system voice calls increase to 186 per sector and data rates increase to 15.9Mbps peak and 6Mbps sustainable.

looks good to me. but anyway hsdpa wont be sustaining 20mb/s like flarion and wimax would be or could be.

It's real funny, because if you look at Flarion's site, your numbers are wrong. And if you look at Lucent's or damn near anyone else's hsdpa information

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flarion's site= (with flex band) http://www.flarion.com/news/pr_2005/020205.as p

Flexband greatly simplifies network design for 1.25MHz and 5MHz OFDM multi-carrier systems and delivers a true broadband user experience while cost-effectively scaling to support Gigabyte-consuming mobile broadband subscribers throughout the entire cell-coverage area.
For the first time operators can deliver triple play converged VoIP, data and broadcast video based IP applications with a single, packet-based carrier class network. Delivery costs are as low as $10 for 1GByte of data per subscriber per month. A single 1.25MHz Flexband carrier sector will be able to deliver peak downlink data rates of 5.3Mbps, 1.8Mbps uplink, 2.5Mbps sustainable sector through...
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Flarion's numbers are based on "tests" also.

And you need to read the whitepaper on it, not just a press release.
The whitepaper shows exactly what speeds are possible with flarion/flexband.
Once again, if it's so much better why has absolutely NO ONE decided to use it?
Good luck with that...

Oh and one more thing...

The only reason the first release of hsdpa won't achieve those 20m speeds is because the devices have not been made to sustain the speed.
The network has the capacity for the speeds and the phones will eventually(2-3 years) be reaching those speeds.
This has already been stated by every hsdpa expert around, so please stop pretending you know what you are talking about.

i provided links to you showing otherwise. 600-800kb/s up to a few mgs.

maybe, the spectrum isnt available for it yet? maybe, people dont know how much it costs for capex?

i dont have to read the whitepaper. that umts/hsdpa 14mb/s was tests too. by the way i showed you other links that said they are expecting from 600-800kb/s to up to several mbs.

but here is from the whitepaper

http://www.flarion.com/viewpoint/whitepapers/Gigabyt ... »

OFDM is the technology earmarked for “beyond 3G” networks and is currently used in
various audio and video broadcast standards, as well as in WiFi and fixed wireless access
technologies like WiMAX. 3GPP is currently reviewing submissions to use OFDM as a future
enhancement to 3G, and the CDMA group has announced its future move towards OFDM -
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Yeah you showed a link from an outside organization that explained what Cingular told them to expect at launch.

At launch, they will have average speeds of a meg or so.

Here's an actual review whitepaper that you can find on the Flarion website.

http://www.flarion.com/news/downloads/020705SignalsA ... »

this is an independant research group that put out the whitepaper based on Flarion's claims.(flarion must agree with it because they put it on their site)
It pretty much states that the max is 6megs downlink.

As far as your predictions for hsdpa, I'd get better predictions from a mechanical fortune teller.

keep on going with the excuses.

i have one that says differnt then that one. (i showed to you earlier) so, i will go what flarion said about it.

nextel18 said:
keep on going with the excuses.

i have one that says differnt then that one. (i showed to you earlier) so, i will go what flarion said about it.

Hey, genius. That IS what Flarion said about it. Obviously you didn't read it.
And there are no excuses except from you.
You keep making excuses about a technology that won't be implemented in this country for several years.

i would belive flarion. sorry.

nextel18 said:
i would belive flarion. sorry.

Yes, you are sorry.
I believe Flarion as well. Flarion gave the info for that whitepaper which is dated on Febuary 2005, so by all means, believe.

It's funny how you say that you believe Flarion over and outside source, but you'll believe an outside source over Lucent, Ericsson, and Cingular.
Your opinion is now getting flushed down the toilet... once again.

i belive what cingular said about the umts/hsdpa. (they said from 600-800kb/s)

flarion gave that flexband paper also and that says that it can go up to 15mb/s or something like that.

nextel18 said:
i belive what cingular said about the umts/hsdpa. (they said from 600-800kb/s)

flarion gave that flexband paper also and that says that it can go up to 15mb/s or something like that.

I'll say it one more time for the slow people.
they said 600-800 at launch.
But once again the devices are the only thing that's keeping it slow. The network will have the 15-20 meg capacity.

I hope you can get that concept through your brain.
Here's the reality.
IF Flarion gets released in the states, it will be several years. By the time Flarion gets released, HSDPA devices will be cruising at 15-20 megs and that's WITHOUT the MIMO upgrade that makes it even faster.
Everything ...
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here is something about cingular....

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=125269&p ... »

In January 2005, Cingular field tested a higher speed downlink component of UMTS called “High Speed Downlink Packet Access” (HSDPA), which we intend to offer in all of our UMTS markets. Our successful field trial of the first phase of HSDPA, which provides up to 3.6 megabits per second (Mbps) peak speed, demonstrated that HSDPA is the fastest wide-area wireless high speed data solution available for consumer access in the U.S. In the next two years, HSDPA will have average throughput in the 400-700 Kbps range and theoret...
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nextel18 said:
here is something about cingular....

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=125269&p ... »

In January 2005, Cingular field tested a higher speed downlink component of UMTS called “High Speed Downlink Packet Access” (HSDPA), which we intend to offer in all of our UMTS markets. Our successful field trial of the first phase of HSDPA, which provides up to 3.6 megabits per second (Mbps) peak speed, demonstrated that HSDPA is the fastest wide-area wireless high speed data solution available for consumer access in the U.S. In the next two years, HSDPA will have average throughput in

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everything is theoritical till it comes out nationwide. nothing is faster? wimax is.

PhoenixAshes said:

nextel18 said:
here is something about cingular....

http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=125269&p ... »

In January 2005, Cingular field tested a higher speed downlink component of UMTS called “High Speed Downlink Packet Access” (HSDPA), which we intend to offer in all of our UMTS markets. Our successful field trial of the first phase of HSDPA, which provides up to 3.6 megabits per second (Mbps) peak speed, demonstrated that HSDPA is the fastest wide-area wireless high speed data solution available for consumer access in the U.S. In the next two years

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lol.. your pathetic.

oh look some more...




http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2004/12/01/011350 ... »

Cingular Wireless, the nation's largest wireless provider, today announced plans to begin deploying the nation's fastest high-speed mobile wireless data network based on international standards. The third generation network will offer average data speeds between 400-700 kilobits per second (Kbps), and bursts to several megabits per second on capable devices.

Keep Googling...Your poke and hope strategy may get you a few rights in a world of wrongs yet....

i know.. it works... i belive them, and cingular's 10k over what that other person says. cingular's 10k doesnt even say that it wil stay in the 3mb/s range.

nextel18 said:
lol.. your pathetic.

oh look some more...




http://www.mobiletechnews.com/info/2004/12/01/011350 ... »

Cingular Wireless, the nation's largest wireless provider, today announced plans to begin deploying the nation's fastest high-speed mobile wireless data network based on international standards. The third generation network will offer average data speeds between 400-700 kilobits per second (Kbps), and bursts to several megabits per second on capable devices.

Keep up the name calling. I would love to see you banned.

you should see your name calling. lol...

nextel18 said:
you should see your name calling. lol...

you should be looking over your shoulder....

PhoenixAshes said:
Flarion's numbers are based on "tests" also.

And you need to read the whitepaper on it, not just a press release.
The whitepaper shows exactly what speeds are possible with flarion/flexband.
Once again, if it's so much better why has absolutely NO ONE decided to use it?
Good luck with that...

And no one will adopt it. You watch.

i found an updated version. http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=7 2339



T-Mobile Praises Flarion

Despite the impressive results, Flarion’s Flash-OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) technology remains a proprietary offering at present, and the vendor is yet to secure its first commercial European carrier deal (see Flarion Goes Faster ). In light of previous close ties, T-Mobile remains a likely contender (see T-Mobile Invests in Flarion and T-Mobile Favors Flarion ).

“We are a UMTS operator, but we are looking into opportunities in niche markets where UMTS is not the technology of choice,” adds Krath. “We see Flarion as an interesting opportunity for us.”

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anyway.

nextel18 said:
i found an updated version. http://www.unstrung.com/document.asp?doc_id=7 2339



T-Mobile Praises Flarion

Despite the impressive results, Flarion’s Flash-OFDM (Orthogonal Frequency Division Multiplexing) technology remains a proprietary offering at present, and the vendor is yet to secure its first commercial European carrier deal (see Flarion Goes Faster ). In light of previous close ties, T-Mobile remains a likely contender (see T-Mobile Invests in Flarion and T-Mobile Favors Flarion ).

“We are a UMTS operator, but we are looking into opportunities in niche markets where UMTS is not the technology of choice,” adds Krath. “We see Flarion as an interesting opportunity for us.”

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anywa

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again, you dont know that. you dont have any idea what these guys are thinking. your not behind their lines and have ties with the company. thus; you dont know. thus; you need to stop saying that "tmobile will not adopt flarion". just stop already.

nextel18 said:
again, you dont know that. you dont have any idea what these guys are thinking. your not behind their lines and have ties with the company. thus; you dont know. thus; you need to stop saying that "tmobile will not adopt flarion". just stop already.

Okay. I'll stop saying it.

But I will... T-Mobile will not adopt Flarion. 🤣

JDigital said:
But I will... T-Mobile will not adopt Flarion. 🤣

And I'll raise you. NO ONE will adopt Flarion.

see if you dont know what your talking about then whats the point of going on? thats my point.

nextel18 said:
see if you dont know what your talking about then whats the point of going on? thats my point.

Well, due to what I'm reading in just about every wireless publication and on every wireless website, Flarion will not be adopted by any company. I'm just stating what I'm reading. If you don't want to believe it, that's fine with me. We'll agree to disagree.

you also mentioned that flarion (or ofdm) is a dead technology. flarion can be adopted by any one . ie nextel/sprint, tmobile (which they have tried them) and others worldwide. they already have vendors set up to make the product. its like wimax, people will take extreme caution over that becuase they will be spending easily 3 billion dollars to deploy.

i wanted to show you some facts about flarion...

http://www.flarion.com/about/faq.asp »

The Flarion system is the only one that enables a wired broadband-like performance in the cellular environment, meaning typical data rates ranging from 1 to 1.5 Mbps and latency as low as 50 ms.

(thats very good and thats not flexband)

Flarion's technology enables mobiles and the base statio...
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nextel18 said:
you also mentioned that flarion (or ofdm) is a dead technology. flarion can be adopted by any one . ie nextel/sprint, tmobile (which they have tried them) and others worldwide. they already have vendors set up to make the product. its like wimax, people will take extreme caution over that becuase they will be spending easily 3 billion dollars to deploy.

i wanted to show you some facts about flarion...

http://www.flarion.com/about/faq.asp »

The Flarion system is the only one that enables a wired broadband-like performance in the cellular environment, meaning typical data rates ranging from 1 to 1.5 Mbps and latency as low as 50 ms.

(thats very good and thats not flexband)

Flarion's technology

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of course i do. you state a fact that no one will deploy flarion and flarion is dead. well those key 20 advantages differntiates themselves from the ev-do and umts/hsdpa of the worlds. on ev-do and umts/hsdpa you dont get 50ms of latency.

"I've got a friend in the Carolinas that participated in the Flarion trial. He said it was great and I believe him"

well i have many friends down there who tried it and they said it was great and shocked that nextel is not doing it. i can tell you the main reason why is becuase of qchat.


"It's a fast data solution, but no one's going to adopt it because there are better and more compatible options out there as of right now."

of course thats not true. ev-do isnt faster then flarion. its the o...
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nextel18 said:
of course i do. you state a fact that no one will deploy flarion and flarion is dead. well those key 20 advantages differntiates themselves from the ev-do and umts/hsdpa of the worlds. on ev-do and umts/hsdpa you dont get 50ms of latency.

"I've got a friend in the Carolinas that participated in the Flarion trial. He said it was great and I believe him"

well i have many friends down there who tried it and they said it was great and shocked that nextel is not doing it. i can tell you the main reason why is becuase of qchat.


"It's a fast data solution, but no one's going to adopt it because there are better and more compatible options out there as of right now."

of course thats not true. ev-do

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then stop making up stuff that you dont know.

nextel18 said:
then stop making up stuff that you dont know.

Yes. I don't know anything about what I was talking about and I freely admit it. You were right and I was wrong and I'm a jerk.

Actually, you WERE quite rude. and i reported it to the moderator. 😁

i wasnt rude actually. its very hard to detect if someone is rude on here or not, and i wasnt rude what-so-ever. sorry. i am just peachy 🙂

Last I heard it was still unpolite to mock or belittle someone based upon where they work.

really? well you should have been here a month or so ago when he was defaming my character and violating every tos rule that phonescoop has.

I was, and saw you doing the same thing. and I reported the thread then too. I'm sick of these kinds of threads taking over this forum. Knock it off, all of you.

i would be civil if they would be civil. its a two way street. i cant just sit there letting people bash and harrass me.

nextel18 said:
i would be civil if they would be civil. its a two way street. i cant just sit there letting people bash and harrass me.

Well, you don't have to worry about me any longer.

nextel18 said:
really? well you should have been here a month or so ago when he was defaming my character and violating every tos rule that phonescoop has.

Correct. And then I enjoyed a "leave of absence" because of it. Upon reinstatement I promised Rich that I'd shape up. Which I have, and will from here on out. No more being an utter bastard. So now, the past doesn't matter as I will be civil from here on out.

ok. that means your forum friends and you. if not, then you will be accountable for their mistakes, becuase you promoted this act.

nextel18 said:
ok. that means your forum friends and you. if not, then you will be accountable for their mistakes, becuase you promoted this act.

Promoted this? Huh? You and I used to get into squabbles all the time...what they did was on their own time. Like I said...you'll get no more guff from me.

yep. you started with your name calling and saying kiosk boy etc.. then others started. so they followed you. thus; you started it.

nextel18 said:
yep. you started with your name calling and saying kiosk boy etc.. then others started. so they followed you. thus; you started it.

No offense, Nextel, but you've got your own way of garnering attention from others. Anyways, you'll get no problems from me.

no, again, you started it with the name callings etc.. and they followed.

nextel18 said:
no, again, you started it with the name callings etc.. and they followed.

Like I said. You'll get no problems from me.

alright.. we shall see.

You two bicker more than my Grandparents, for the love of God leave each other alone!

i told him to leave me alone, he doesnt want to.

But it's a know fact bellsouth wants out but is scared to be w/o a wireless partner 😕

yea, thats a good point, especially since the landline business is decreasing.

nextel18 said:
i dont think cingular will be a competitor in the next 5-10 years especially since they did spend this 41 billion dollars plus 8 billion in att wireless' debt. i think it was a waste of money, in my opinion, and that cingular will pay for this mistake. just like in my opinion veriozn will pay for their 80 dollar per month ev-do pricing. i would rather be verizon spending 5 billion per year for the next 8 years by getting 48 million customers then cinglar paid 41 billion dolars upfront for 22 million subscribers. now they will have to spend more for umts/hsdpa roll out. who knows if that roll out will be successful.

I think that Cingular will beat VZW in adds for the next year or so than it w...
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yea, i agree.

answer this for me. would you rather spend 5 billion per year for 8 years with capex and get 6 million per year for 8 years. equals spending 41 billion for 48 million customers(verizon) or 41 billion dollars for only 21 million customers (with cingular). plus now, cingular will have to spend more for umts/hsdpa.

we will have to see how this year shapes out (and this quarter) to decide more things, but overall i htink verizon has a better situation beucase they didnt spend much and plus they are rolling out DO.

I agree, people complain about DO's pricing but hey, supply and demand set the pricing, were the only one with it now so VZW can set it at what they want, when Sprint and Cingy get there respective tings going im sure it will go down, I think that Cingy and ATT merger was a giant mistake, if Cingy had invested that $40 Billion on other things I think they would be much better off,

I hate to say it but I think that The CEO's males ego got into the corporate meetings and had a big influence, ya know "Bigger is better", I think Cingy just wanted to say that they were the biggest (customer base goes)

I know my ego has gotten me in trouble a time or two 🙄, I think Cingy might have the same problem in a 1-2 years

"
I agree, people complain about DO's pricing but hey, supply and demand set the pricing, were the only one with it now so VZW can set it at what they want, when Sprint and Cingy get there respective tings going im sure it will go down,
"

i dont think so. they still charge a lot for their push to talk services out. again, i think they will pay heavily for those pricing.

"i think that Cingy and ATT merger was a giant mistake, if Cingy had invested that $40 Billion on other things I think they would be much better off,"

exactly what i think. first of all att wasnt worth 41 billion dollars. my fair value is around 25-30 billion for them.

"I hate to say it but I think that The CEO's males ego got into the corporate meetings...
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Once again, it was not a bad acquisistion. They were able to kill 2 bird with one stone. Get the spectrum they needed and kill a potential competitor. Plus you say invest the 41 billion in something else. There is not this huge pot of spectrum out there. To do significant things like 3G you need a lot of it. Verizon and AT&T had it all. Couldn't buy Verizon out so buy AT&T. Just as simple as that plus, seems like Cingy is already starting to turn things around. People are staying and people are also joining in. They have already beat out all of the no nothing anaylsts. Looks like your next.

it was a bad acqusistion. you knwo that.

1. of course they could have bought spectrum. the fcc does auction them off. you can buy 1.9ghz spectrum. they could have bought some spectrum from next wave or other companies like that.
2. what potential competitor? they are only 5-6 million or so subscribers away from verizon. thats not really "destroying it"
3. verizon wouldnt want att wireless. there would be no point.
4. turning around business? oh yea 2 outages already. yea thats turning it around.

finally, they will have a big problem in the future. 1. too much spending. 2 spending on hsdpa that isnt really a true technology. (meaning its not proven) 3. who knows if people will stay with cingular becuase of problems like they have ...
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I agree with you that VZWs PTT was a disaster originally, it has gotten better however.

I think that VZW should have came out of the gate w/ the PTT at $10 less than NXTL on comparable plans just to try to attract some customers, you know just as well as I do that there is a large chunk of the market that ONLY looks at price, regardless of what they get,

of course.
customers want

1. pricing
2. coverage
3. functionality.

thats with anything though, not just with push to talk.

I didnt mean to imply it is just with PTT

You can offer somebody a new Lexus for $10,000 or a daewoo for $9,900 and I gurantee you will have some people take the Daewoo

i would take the lexus any day.

What 3G technology is proven? Second, there is not hords of 1900 spectrum that is for sale out there. You can pick up 10 here and there but not enough to put together a great network without many gaps. Yeah, Verizon is over 6.5 million subscribers behing and Cingular is running neck and neck with them in new ads. You are so funny, didn't the customer service test rate Verizon just 2 points higher than Cingular. They have beat out no nothing analysts like yourself, the company was suppost to cave because of the merger but it is not and it is moving forward positively. People were suppose to be running away because they were going to have so many problems. Well they have only had 2 which lasted a couple of hours at best. To your Verizon...
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really? well verizon just went on a nice 1.9ghz spending spree.

verizon is better hten cingular in every single way.

anyway, make some predictions. so far i have, but you havnt. give me a reason why verizon wont be a good competitor vs cingular and same with nextel/sprint. by the way analysts have been saying that nextel/sprint will be having some problems as individual companies for the longest time, guess what? they arent.

so again, this is what you should do, or else i wont listen to you

1. wait till q1 sub growth comes out for all 3 companies. (nextel,sprint, cingular/att wireless and verizon). next give predictions for the next 3 quarters with churn, arpu, lifetime revenue per user(if you know how to calculate that) and t...
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lol, owned 🤣

lol... 🙂

I guess you read my post wrong, I never said Verizon won't be a good competitor. Verizon is the wireless standard, that's that. I said that Cingular had become a viable competitor to them and that has caused them to lower their rates which is good for the consumers. Hey I admit Cingular has a long ways to go before they put all the pieces together but you just refuse to admit that they are taking the right steps in the right direction. This is where we have bumped heads in the past and today. You come off like a pest sometimes. You only bring up what Cingular is not doing but you never look at your wireless provider with the same microscope. I could come in a forum and bash Sprint because I had them for 3 years and my overall experien...
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I remember a similar argument when it came to "experimental technogies".

Living in San Diego in the 90's there was this upstart company that has this technology that no one knew how well it would perform.

The company was called Qualcomm, and of course everyone knows the technology was CDMA. When it was first deployed with Airtouch it SUCKED royally. It got better.

Each time a new technology is deployed, whether it is EVDO or whatever, it is a risk that it will suck upon full scale implementation. To cite this as one of your reasons Cingular will not do well is just riduculous. It didn't kill Qualcomm and Airtouch, these unproven experimental technologies, so relax on that point.

Have you priced the value of AT&T Wireless' spe...
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according to their 10k my fair value price was $15 billion dollars for their assets and $6.5 billion for their towers. (300k per tower)

cdma is the base of this world, as well as cingular, so it didnt hurt my beloved qualcomm at all becuase people are picking their technologies, however, that could change with wimax, flarion, ipwireless and td-cdma. unless qualcomm, goes into the flarion field and gets a strong footprint in the wcdma/hsdpa/umts market which they are doing.

spending 41 billion is too risky with becuase there are only a potential 300 million clients in the united states. why does one need to spend 41 billion dollars to grow like that? again, soon it will be all about arpu, and less capex.

So you value their customers AND spectrum at $15 billion? You've undervalued their spectrum by recent auction price as reference by half.

As far as the Qualcomm reference, you missed the entire point.

the auction price doesnt matter. at an auction you pay more.


$30 billion dollars. you can do the math. the spectrum, and towers are the most expensive things, then comes the subscribers.

nextel18 said:
the auction price doesnt matter. at an auction you pay more.

But you said if Cingular wanted spectrum it could have been bought at auction like Verizon has done. If they wanted to buy that much spectrum (which IS NOT currently available in one chunk) based on recent auctions what would it have cost? The auction price does matter because the market sets the price and subsequent value. Cingular saw potential, not current value.

Like I said, one subjective opinion is all you have. You may or may not be right. The rest is not based on fact whatsoever. The figure you use is what others have based on market capitalization. It had nothing to do with liquidation values or otherwise. You ...
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i didnt use anything from their market cap, i didnt even look at their market cap. sorry. that is my fair value for it. they could have went after the spectrum verizon has been doing. potential? we will see, so far i dont see it.

anyway its 30 billion dollars my fair value price for att wireless.

Are you afraid to answer my question about the spectrum value?

Cingular was well behind in licenses. Small increments would not get them to their goal, but small increments has worked to Verizon's interests.

If you want to answer great. I won't push anymore. Don't want to move into the "you're stupid" phase most discussions on here tend to degrade towards.

i already answered you. it was a total of $30 billion was my fair value for att wireless. since most of the value is in spectrum and towers, and the 2nd is subscribers i am sure you can do the math. (22 million subscribers, spectrum, and 22k cell sites) ( you can do the math.)

i just dont like to repeat myself 100 times to people.

Eddie Murphy doing his sign language talk as he speaks

HOW MUCH WOULD AT&T SPECTRUM COST IF IT WERE AUCTIONED NOW.

I don't know care what you think the entire purchase was worth. I am asking you to look at different logic, something for which you are unwilling to understand.

Since you just aren't able to or willing to understand, here is the angle for which Cingular was basing the potential of the AT&T Wireless assets.

Current value of Spectrum + Capital Improvements + Customer Base

This is like talking to a wall. I guess it is my own fault for trying to get into a logical discussion with you. As this started, you are a conundrum.

the total is 30 billion is my value for att wireless. do the math. if its like talking to the wall stop waisting your "valuable time".

it doesnt matter hwo much att wireless' spectrum would be goign for. its how much its worth from their 10k.

again, 30 billion for the entire company. do the math.

nextel18 said:
the total is 30 billion is my value for att wireless. do the math. if its like talking to the wall stop waisting your "valuable time".

it doesnt matter hwo much att wireless' spectrum would be goign for. its how much its worth from their 10k.

again, 30 billion for the entire company. do the math.

yeah... we'll do the math...

Dozens of College degrees from Cingular Financial minds
+
Dozens of Years of Merger experience
+
Several reputable sources that claim Cingular has made the right move
+
nextel18's lack of experience in any of the aforementioned equations
=
Nextel18 doesn't have a clue what the heck he's talking about.

go to bed...

PhoenixAshes said:

nextel18 said:
the total is 30 billion is my value for att wireless. do the math. if its like talking to the wall stop waisting your "valuable time".

it doesnt matter hwo much att wireless' spectrum would be goign for. its how much its worth from their 10k.

again, 30 billion for the entire company. do the math.

yeah... we'll do the math...

Dozens of College degrees from Cingular Financial minds
+
Dozens of Years of Merger experience
+
Several reputable sources that claim Cingular has made the right move
+
nextel18's lack of experience in any of the aforementioned equations
=
Nextel18 doesn't have a clue what the heck he's talking about.

go to b

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Customer wants to buy apples. He goes to apple store and sees that apples cost $1 per pound. Customer has a problem. He wants to buy a ton of apples. Store does not have a ton of apples, they only sell them in increments of 5 pounds. Damn, that will take a loooooong time to buy 2000 pounds of apples 5 pounds at a time.

Mr. Blue down the street has a ton of apples and is willing to sell them all NOW but wants a small premium since there are other possible buyers. In order to save time and since he has what you want you agree to pay $0.98/pound for all 2000 pounds. SOLD!

Now class, what that a good deal for the customer or not? Yes little Johnny, the new value for those apples may not be as much as what they paid for them, but do...
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texaswireless said:
Customer wants to buy apples. He goes to apple store and sees that apples cost $1 per pound. Customer has a problem. He wants to buy a ton of apples. Store does not have a ton of apples, they only sell them in increments of 5 pounds. Damn, that will take a loooooong time to buy 2000 pounds of apples 5 pounds at a time.

Mr. Blue down the street has a ton of apples and is willing to sell them all NOW but wants a small premium since there are other possible buyers. In order to save time and since he has what you want you agree to pay $0.98/pound for all 2000 pounds. SOLD!

Now class, what that a good deal for the customer or not? Yes little Johnny, the new value for those apples may not be as

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Now thats an example even I can understand LOL

Nextel18 does not understand business. I have been through the 41 billion issue and have read his threads regarding such. He really does not understand business...especially LT outlooks. But he's young and still learning. Hopefully he will be the CEO of Nextel some day...then one less competitor for all ya all......

i wasnt even reading any of it. i dont understand business? hahah. and yet you cant even say antyhing regarding any of the wireless industry. saying that churn, lifetime revenue per user, and arpu arent important lol... you dont know anything about the wireless industry.

nextel18 said:
i wasnt even reading any of it. i dont understand business? hahah. and yet you cant even say antyhing regarding any of the wireless industry. saying that churn, lifetime revenue per user, and arpu arent important lol... you dont know anything about the wireless industry.

You don't read (or worse understand what you read) and you twist words to your benifit...

I said CHURN< ARPU< LRPC.........do NOTHING to gain customers. Those are boardroom ya yas..not advertising buzz words..

Boardroom = business Hello? Anyone home?

THATS what I said.....Of course They are important to the business but not in gaining new business....

Why in your desperate need to be right do you twist words ...
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"I said CHURN< ARPU< LRPC.........do NOTHING to gain customers"

of course it does. if you have good numbers you will KEEP and gain more subscribers. word of mouth my friend goes a lot further then other things.

"THATS what I said.....Of course They are important to the business but not in gaining new business...."

hahahah. thats how you gain business, by doing different products. lol...

"You do this all the time and your credibility is at risk, not to mention as an insder your own knowledge of the business you preport to be in on some level....."

wow, coming from someone who doesnt know anything about the wireless industry lol.. hahahah

nextel18 said:
"I said CHURN< ARPU< LRPC.........do NOTHING to gain customers"

of course it does. if you have good numbers you will KEEP and gain more subscribers. word of mouth my friend goes a lot further then other things.

"THATS what I said.....Of course They are important to the business but not in gaining new business...."

hahahah. thats how you gain business, by doing different products. lol...

"You do this all the time and your credibility is at risk, not to mention as an insder your own knowledge of the business you preport to be in on some level....."

wow, coming from someone who doesnt know anything about the wireless industry lol.. hahahah

If you have good numbers you will ke ...
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if you have good numbers but bad churn and bad arpu and bad lifetime revenue per user YOU WILL LOSE CUSTOMERS WHICH COULD HURT YOUR BUSINESS. come on. that is why you need everything. why does nextel add less? well becuase nextel only focuses on businesses while cingular doesnt, plus cingular just got 21 million subscribers from the att wireless purchase.

you can have excellent numbers with total ads, but again if you have bad churn and bad lifetime revenue per user you will lose customers. its that simple. i dont know how many times i have to repeat myself, but seriously, you should know better.

A customer will leave becasue he is NOT paying enough? (APRU)? Thats pretty funny stuff. That customer is lost...and will go to NExtel where he will pay MORE.....

A customer will leave becasue others do? Even if he is happy? I don't think so. I would have left ATTWS a lobg time ao if that were the case....

No your argument is like saying cutting down the rain forsets will destroy the earth......It won't It will destroy life...which in time will regenerate on the earth as it has a number of times.

No the business may suffer but new customers is really what keeps growth going not squeezing more out of your current ones who WILL leave as they realize they would spend less with another Vendor.

"
A customer will leave becasue he is NOT paying enough? (APRU)? Thats pretty funny stuff. That customer is lost...and will go to NExtel where he will pay MORE.....
"

lol.. i never said he will leave becuase he isnt paying enough lol... wow. and your telling me that i am putting or twisting words? lol.. by the way nextel is very good with plans now. anyway...

"A customer will leave becasue others do? Even if he is happy? I don't think so. I would have left ATTWS a lobg time ao if that were the case...."

twisting words again. i said that the customer will leave that provider if he/she isnt happy and if his/her friends arent happy.

"No the business may suffer but new customers is really what keeps growth going not squeezing...
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nextel18 said:
exactly what i think. first of all att wasnt worth 41 billion dollars. my fair value is around 25-30 billion for them.

Where did you get that figure?

i already said this before. please search.

The dealer channel is doing quite well. Does anyone out there have any numbers about how many adds come from RadioShack, Circuit City and the other dealers and how many come from Verizon stores?

"The dealer channel is doing quite well"

i have heard otherwise, according to the channel checks.

"Does anyone out there have any numbers about how many adds come from RadioShack, Circuit City and the other dealers and how many come from Verizon stores?"

all i can say its a small amount from CC and RS.

with your other question.... verizon has been having some problems with in store traffic, and most of their net adds are from telesales and web orders. the decrease could be a number of reasons 1. more phone and web orders or 2. cingular's marketing campaign and the stealing of vzw customers or potential ones.

hope that helps.


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from this...

http://www.forbes.com/markets/2005/03/31/0331automar ... »...
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Think that statement over. How can over 5,000 distribution points be a non-event? If there were an average of 3 new adds per day per distribution point then that is 1.35 million new adds per quarter. How is that a non-event?
We know that the average Circuit City store has hundreds of people come in each day. 3 new adds per day should be the minimum. Who else has a one-two dealer punch like that?

again, CC and RS, are non events. most of the provider's actual numbers from from corp stores and direct channels. (ie stores, web sales, etc..)

we just saw a decline in wireless growth from Radio shack and CC, does that mean verizon and sprint wont do well this quarter? OF COURSE NOT.

you cant say that they will get 3 new adds per day. just becuase 100's of people go into CC stores means nothing.

again, according to the news from RS and CC that wireless is going down means nothing. they are saying their wireless numbers are decreasing. why would that be? well i already explained it. becuase of corp stores and web/tele sales and phones sales.

Again I ask, Anyone from VERIZON know how well the dealer channel is actually doing? Nextel 18 seems to think that it is of no consequence. But since he is not a Verizon, RS or CC employee he cannot speak beyond press releases.
A decrease of GROWTH was released, but not a decline in actual handset sales. Keep in mind that for RS, 2004 was a tough year to beat in its wireless business.
How does one minimize the potential and performance of over 5,000 points of distribution?

"Again I ask, Anyone from VERIZON know how well the dealer channel is actually doing?"

i already explaned to you. channel checks indicate a decrease in store traffic but an increase in phone and web orders.


"Nextel 18 seems to think that it is of no consequence. But since he is not a Verizon, RS or CC employee he cannot speak beyond press releases. "

of course i can. its called channel checks.

"A decrease of GROWTH was released, but not a decline in actual handset sales. Keep in mind that for RS, 2004 was a tough year to beat in its wireless business. "

when you have decrease of growth that means you will face a decline in handset sales. lol.. come on now.


"How does one minimize the potential and performance of over ...
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Channel checks before the quarter numbers are actually published to the financial community?
I know that the only thing actually published is RadioShack's statement that earnings would be lower than originally projected. How can you do channel checks when Verizon does not reveal their numbers before quarterly reports. There is no framework to base it on since there is no verifiable statement of net adds, or churn before the numbers are published.

yea, a lot of places do channel checks. you just have to get a hold of them. you have people go out to differnt stores and to ask them questions. thats simple.

Do you have documentation or a link showing your claim on these Channel checks? In Wirelessweek today there was an article that Radio Shack was down on wireless sales but it failed to say if it was Sprint PCS adds or VZW adds.

it says it in their reports, and if you ask investor relations they will tell you the same thing. those channel checks are internal, therefore i cant disclose that information.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
The dealer channel is doing quite well. Does anyone out there have any numbers about how many adds come from RadioShack, Circuit City and the other dealers and how many come from Verizon stores?

I can safely say that if the rest of the stores in my district are doing the same type of business for Verizon as my store (well, actually I CAN say that since I'm in a position to), well...there ain't a whole lot of business going on. Circuit's wireless business was absolutely killed when we got rid of Sprint, ATTWS, and Cingular.