Removed my original tread?
Just curious why a moderator? removed my original tread that I had started introducing myself and that a couple of you had returned messages with?
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yeah, im curious too. Theyve done that to my posts as well. I think they take out posts with curse words in them. I beleive in your thread you were calling someone a type of bag.
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Rich took out messages in the carrier forums that did not pertain to the forum topic.
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ooooohhm, ok I guess I will watch what I say next time, if they removed stuff that was not revelent to the forum than kingfrog would never have anything posted for more than 10 mins! lol
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As schnozejt mentioned, you singled out two other users and called them an inappropriate name. Name-calling is a personal attack, which is against the site's Terms of Use.
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Rich Brome said:
As schnozejt mentioned, you singled out two other users and called them an inappropriate name. Name-calling is a personal attack, which is against the site's Terms of Use.
What's real funny is my threads from yesterday was in response to Kingfrog's relentless way to bash verizon and people in here trying to help customers and they were deleted. Kingfrog has no business in this forum and if you read every one of his threads they help no one and nobody. I have 7 years in wireless sales and service on phones...and help potential customers and customers alike. He has said he doesn't care what anybody thinks of him being here, he will continue to post threads until he gets banned. He has s...
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Well, I will just watch what I say, reading threads from others I just assumed the rules about being a moron were completly loose, the only person I intended to put down was Kingfrog, not because of what he says but because of how he says it, I will just watch what I say and how I say it, thanks for the responses everybody and I wont make the mistake again about "calling people out" and using questionable terms, thanks guys 🙂
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Rich Brome said:
As schnozejt mentioned, you singled out two other users and called them an inappropriate name. Name-calling is a personal attack, which is against the site's Terms of Use.
Hey, Rich.
If that's the case, why do you constantly leave insults towards myself, kingfrog, and others, but always tend to erase the responses from us? You've even erased several of my posts that were not attacks, but rather pointing out the hypocrisy of the diaper crew.
You even erased a post of mine that pointed out the almost blantant bias from you and Eric.
Just curious.
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You have quite an imagination.
You're acusing me of bias toward certain users. I assure you that is absolutely not the case. When I'm reviewing a message for moderation, I intentionally don't even look at the username. I couldn't care less about who wrote it, or whether I feel they're "right" or "wrong". My only concern is whether it crosses the line.
If there have been such instances, then I determined that the first message did not cross the line, but your response did.
If someone "attacks" you, that is absolutely no excuse to "attack" back. The only ...
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You're acusing me of bias toward certain users. I assure you that is absolutely not the case. When I'm reviewing a message for moderation, I intentionally don't even look at the username. I couldn't care less about who wrote it, or whether I feel they're "right" or "wrong". My only concern is whether it crosses the line.
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... why do you constantly leave insults towards myself, kingfrog, and others, but always tend to erase the responses from us? ...
If there have been such instances, then I determined that the first message did not cross the line, but your response did.
If someone "attacks" you, that is absolutely no excuse to "attack" back. The only ...
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Rich, you are much too sensible and calm for this place, you know that, right? 😉
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Rich Brome said:...You have quite an imagination.Very little imagination needed for this point. You've erased several examples.
You're acusing me of bias toward certain users. I assure you that is absolutely not the case. When I'm reviewing a message for moderation, I intentionally don't even look at the username. I couldn't care less about who wrote it, or whether I feel they're "right" or "wrong". My only concern is whether it crosses the line.
Eric Lin's post in a reply to a direct insult towards me from another poster was a reassuring message on how Eric and yourself were trying to stop the insulting posts. However the insults that the guy were saying were perfectly ok.
You only erased t
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Phoenix,
I have had a post erased because I belittled another poster and was quite mean spirited about it. That post should have been erased and Rich or Eric did. The other poster I belittled was you. It was unnecessary and inexcusable. It made me rethink some of my attitudes and my manners.
Their job as moderators here is quite tough. Many times a judgement call is needed. We all feel very strongly about who we work for or sell and that can cause a great deal of friction and heated emotion. When emotions rise manners sink and that is why we need moderators, to maintain the forum's integrity and make it so we don't see posts like Simply Marcus, who decided the forum is a waste of time and intends to not post. That's too bad because he has ...
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I have had a post erased because I belittled another poster and was quite mean spirited about it. That post should have been erased and Rich or Eric did. The other poster I belittled was you. It was unnecessary and inexcusable. It made me rethink some of my attitudes and my manners.
Their job as moderators here is quite tough. Many times a judgement call is needed. We all feel very strongly about who we work for or sell and that can cause a great deal of friction and heated emotion. When emotions rise manners sink and that is why we need moderators, to maintain the forum's integrity and make it so we don't see posts like Simply Marcus, who decided the forum is a waste of time and intends to not post. That's too bad because he has ...
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I agree, and when did cell phones become so darn important that we get ticked off and raise our blood pressure and get us steaming mad, there only stupid phones, its not like somebody called our mothers names. Come on lighten up!
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But those stupid phones pay for my home and for my family to eat.. Disparaging a phone.. sure thats ok. Disparaging my employer for reasoning not even remotly accurate.. thats annoying. Making it seem that my personal choice to work for a particular company was a wrong decision, generalizing me with a few bad reps, acting like your the voice for customers of verizon, trying to point out that verizon is a terrible company when they do almost everything right, intentionally posting on the edge of the ToU aggreement to get a rise out of everyone and make this forum a negative environment, playing the moderators like a fiddle... that just outright pisses me off and is why I don't really care for kingfrog.
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But there is an alternative. We can have an agreement to not answer in kind. Sure there are some annoying posts out there but let's consider the source of those posts. When I posted trash it showed bad character on my part. Is Verizon still a great company even after Kingfrog does his best to disparage it? Yes it is.
Does it reflect more on Kingfrog and others than it does Verizon? Yes it does.
Does it reflect more on Kingfrog and others than it does Verizon? Yes it does.
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I understand gloating. I even understand people rubbing a point into the ground about them being right. What I don't understand is why you would bother after the point has been made. Gloating is a term mostly used when talking about something proving something very trivial. I would not feel comfortable gloating over ANYTHING in the wireless business cause it changes to often. Vzw could buy alltel or uscellular and have just as many customers as cingular. People could get pissed at cingular and not like the idea of waiting around till they raise that bar. To many things can happen to gloat over something that was guessed at in the first place.
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TommyBoy said:
I understand gloating. I even understand people rubbing a point into the ground about them being right. What I don't understand is why you would bother after the point has been made. Gloating is a term mostly used when talking about something proving something very trivial. I would not feel comfortable gloating over ANYTHING in the wireless business cause it changes to often. Vzw could buy alltel or uscellular and have just as many customers as cingular. People could get pissed at cingular and not like the idea of waiting around till they raise that bar. To many things can happen to gloat over something that was guessed at in the first place.
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This is where things get real fuzzy. I've seen posts insult one person by degrading him, talking down to him, calling him an idiot, and belittling him, and those messages are "OK" because they lack the "directness" of just calling someone names. ...
... why do you constantly leave insults towards myself, kingfrog, and others, but always tend to erase the responses from us? ...
If there have been such instances, then I determined that the first message did not cross the line, but your response did.
Naturally, there are a lot of gray areas. Moderating isn't easy - there are a lot of judgment calls to be made. There's really not much more I can say except that we do o...
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Rich Brome said:...This is where things get real fuzzy. I've seen posts insult one person by degrading him, talking down to him, calling him an idiot, and belittling him, and those messages are "OK" because they lack the "directness" of just calling someone names. ...
... why do you constantly leave insults towards myself, kingfrog, and others, but always tend to erase the responses from us? ...
If there have been such instances, then I determined that the first message did not cross the line, but your response did.
Naturally, there are a lot of gray areas. Moderating isn't easy - there are a lot of judgment calls to be made. There's r
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The people I'm complaining about are the instigaters. I think I made that clear, too.
An example would be an exchange that Jeff and I had a while ago...
Jeff lobbed an insult towards all Cingular employees. I responded with an insult to him directly.... mine was erased.... the insult to the Cingular employees remained.
That's the crap I'm complaining about.
Phoenix, there was no excuse for the insulting that was done. It was wrong. I think you will see an apology in this very thread. And yes I've backed off of that type of behavior. It only perpetuates the cycle of stupidity.
Rich and Eric have a hard job and they have created this forum for us to use free of charge. We should lighten
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My question to you is simply this, as the Moderator of this Site, why not clean up your gray areas. You, after all, do make the rules Right?
As a user of this site I myself do try to stay away from any kind of name calling. But I think that it is wrong of you as a Moderator to basically say "It's OK to post blatantly incorrect information, but it's not OK to call some one who does this a liar."
This,to me, goes against your stance to discourage "Trolling and Flaming" Because if it's perfectly OK to post incorrect info, and no one can call you a liar or get your post deleted. Why not post it?
I'm not saying your being biased with what gets deleted, but to me it does seem that there is some hypocritical issues you have
As a user of this site I myself do try to stay away from any kind of name calling. But I think that it is wrong of you as a Moderator to basically say "It's OK to post blatantly incorrect information, but it's not OK to call some one who does this a liar."
This,to me, goes against your stance to discourage "Trolling and Flaming" Because if it's perfectly OK to post incorrect info, and no one can call you a liar or get your post deleted. Why not post it?
I'm not saying your being biased with what gets deleted, but to me it does seem that there is some hypocritical issues you have
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If I deleted things I disagreed with or thought were untrue, that would be taking sides and being biased. That's not my place.
If someone posts something incorrect, you are more than welcome to disagree with them or correct them. I only ask that you do it in a civilized manner. Like I said, I see a huge difference between saying "that's not true" and "you're a liar".
I'm not against debate. A good, civilized debate is very healthy and is just the kind of things these forums were created for. But bickering and name-calling is not debate.
If someone posts something incorrect, you are more than welcome to disagree with them or correct them. I only ask that you do it in a civilized manner. Like I said, I see a huge difference between saying "that's not true" and "you're a liar".
I'm not against debate. A good, civilized debate is very healthy and is just the kind of things these forums were created for. But bickering and name-calling is not debate.
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wow, a lot of threads disappeared over night, a lot of people must have got on your nerves
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Check the next few pages. If there is not much activity on a thread it moves down and sometimes to a different page.
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