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Verizon is really starting to SUCK

Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 11:13 AM
350 ETF for buying a BB 8530, that is ridiculous! I'm not going to re-sign with verizon with that kind of ETF.


And they wanted to force ten bucks of data on me for an enV3! and only 25 mb! What? Get out of here.
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uscingulair

Feb 2, 2010, 11:17 AM
Thanks for the ancient news bud. Have fun with sub par service
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 11:21 AM
Pardon me for not living to read cellular news!

I just walked into a verizon store last night to learn all of this. And verizon does not have sub par service shows what very little you know.
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uscingulair

Feb 2, 2010, 11:40 AM
I was referring to whatever company your cheap a$$ was leavin us for cause you want a Multimedia phone by don't want to pay for the data. And don't worry about a 350 etf unless you are going to bounce in the middle of your contract. Suck it up and stop being such a pu$$y. ๐Ÿ˜
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 11:52 AM
You don't read very well do you? I said I will not resign must be that jizz on your face. ๐Ÿ˜ I'm just trying to make some sense out of this $350 ETF! I looked around and I didn't read that any of the other carriers were doing this. So why is Verizon? I just don't see how a BB 8530 comes with an ETF of 350 bucks!


I was going to get the enV3 but they wanted ten bucks for data, I don't use data on my texting devices. I could see a multi line family plan not being very happy about paying an extra 30 bucks or more just to use an enV3!
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uscingulair

Feb 2, 2010, 12:04 PM
Jizz on my face? I see elementary school must be out today. Do your parrents know you are on the computer unsupervised? All I can say is don't get a multimedia phone I you are not going to want to pay the MULTIMEDIA package, if not get a rock,barrage,convoy,smooth or any other of our non multimedia devices. If not piss off and stop whining about something you can't change. Be happy with what you have. Get a PDA your etf drops after a year.
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 12:09 PM
And where did I say I will pay for data? Man you're hopeless! I wanted the BB but I don't feel that phone should come with an ETF of $350.
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 12:10 PM
Not*
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MissSLM07

Feb 7, 2010, 10:37 AM
I agree...a $350 ETF is ridiculous. Verizon is just greedy. ๐Ÿ™„
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Azeron

Feb 7, 2010, 11:08 AM
Of course they are. Most peoople are greedy. Generally, all SUCCESSFUL businesses are, too. Google says: "Don't be evil". Apparently, being greedy isn't the same in their eyes as that $350 ERF looks quite fat.
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epik

Feb 7, 2010, 4:02 PM
There's a fine, almost invisible line, between greed and simply doing business.
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rainbow_metals

Feb 8, 2010, 4:10 PM
all depends on which side of the line you are on.
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:34 AM
Then pay retail for it (just 10 more than etf or so) and not sign anything.

of course, this would be a lot better if the plan rate was lower.. but yeah.

I've bought my last three phones unsubsidized.
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texaswireless

Feb 3, 2010, 12:36 AM
How much is the phone with a contract - $50

How much is the phone without a contract - $400

Understand?
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sammy4455

Feb 8, 2010, 11:34 PM
People buy the phones to cancel them to resell them for more money. So with a higher ETF with 10$ deducted monthly the fee will come out evenly from what it was with the $175 with 5$ deducted monthly. It's for Verizon to stop losing so much money from all these 3rd party companies.
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Azeron

Feb 8, 2010, 11:52 PM
So? People do not care. They think it is perfectly okay to rip Verizon off by buying a BOGO storm and deactivating the second line, selling it on Ebay and paying the ETF. Pure profit. It's the American way. Like I said, "Most people are greedy." Good luck getting them to admit it though.
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sammy4455

Feb 15, 2010, 11:24 PM
I agree! ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜•
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Its-The-Network

Feb 2, 2010, 12:17 PM
yes jizz on your face you did attack him first numbnuts! now contribute to the thread or go away.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 12:39 PM
Understand this about the ETF: I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

The full retail on that model is $359.99.
You buy it for $49.99, then cancel your line for $175. Your "cost" was $224.99. You turn around and sell it on ebay for $300 to someone wanting the phone for less than the $360 retail price. You just made $75, roughly. Now, do this every few months for two years. You made about $600 be taking advantage of the activation/ETF/cancellation contract game.

But wait! Verizon LOST $135 when you signed up then canceled, not to mention the profit from the $30/mo plus minimum $40 price plan they would have made if you'd kept your contract. Verizon might have lost hundreds off of you because you worked the system. Since ...
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 12:57 PM
Well thanks for the explanation. I wonder why the other carriers are not doing this too? And why is the FCC up in verizon's face because of it..makes you think that verizon is full of crap trying to pull this, and it's just their attempt to LOCK people further into a contract/making it very hard to leave..where before the avg Joe who wants the Freedom to buy out their contract at a reasonable rate could do so. Now they will really be stuck unless money have a money tree in their back yard. The standard ETF has been supposedly working for all carriers for years, now big red decides it's not enough money. How many people could be trying to pull that money making schemes you laid out to really have that big of in impact on big red? i don't beli...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:36 PM
Epik did not even break it down for the BOGOs. People have made some good money off of Verizon in the past with BOGO Storms and such. Bottom line: There is no difference between a $175 ETF or a $350 ETF if one never cancels. Don't get me wrong, I think you have every right to voice your displeasure with the ETF, but as much as I detest Verizon, I also think they have every right to charge it. I also think that AT&T will get in on the act as soon as they deem it safe to do so (particularly on the iphone).

The $9.99 for 25MB data requirement on the Envy 3? There is no defense for that. But the bottom line is your best vote is with your feet and ultimately your wallet. If you MUST have the vaunted Verizon Network there is always Pa...
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 1:42 PM
Well i guess will see if ATT follows, i hope they don't...they need to break away from copying every move verizon makes. I have no loyalty to any carrier just happens that verizon works better than anything in my area.. if not i would have the bold 9700 or iphone with ATT! OK I'm done here. Late
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:49 PM
As far as the claim that one does not get the same coverage as Verizon? Fear mongering. Those who drop that line are usually sales people who can't attack the coverage because it IS Verizon's coverage. Take a look at the map. Then ask yourself this question? With the combined networks of Verizon and Alltel, where in the U.S. does Verizon roam? I'll take Verizon native coverage any day.
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jrfdsf

Feb 4, 2010, 2:27 PM
Azeron said:
...With the combined networks of Verizon and Alltel, where in the U.S. does Verizon roam? I'll take Verizon native coverage any day.

Tellico Plains, TN, Dayton, TN, Etowah, TN, Delano, TN, Blue Ridge GA, Old Fort TN,...shall I go on?
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 11:59 PM
You can, but it won't dissuade me. Go ahead and list those areas in southwest Mississippi and southeast Louisiana that I don't care about either.
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rainbow_metals

Feb 8, 2010, 5:05 PM
i will tell you that until this last year when verizon installed cell towers in my area and also opened a authorized store, that verizon roamed whare i am and it caused issues with the users because all incoming calls went straight to vm.
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gadgethead

Feb 2, 2010, 1:45 PM
The last time I checked the decision to offer a subsidy on a phone or PDA as well as the decision to offer a buy one get one deal on a Blackberry device was completely up to the carrier making the offer. So Verizon made these offers and then got mad because some people were smart enough to take advantage of the offer to basically get their phone for free and now Verizon is increasing the ETF. Sounds like someone made a bad business decision and was called for it at corporate and decided it was the consumers fault for being smarter than this person and this is their way of saving the program that they got pushed through corporate. I wouldn't sign a contract with a $350 ETF mostly because the last phone I purchased was a total piece of crap an...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:52 PM
You are correct. They SHOULD have raised the ETF BEFORE making BOGO offers. A mistake which they have since corrected. Understand that I have NO LOVE for Verizon, but they have the right to charge the $350 ETF just as a discerning consumer has the right to say "BLEEP NO!" and not sign such an agreement.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:05 PM
I'd say it's less "someone made a bad business decision" and more "the times changed and they didn't adjust to it earlier."

Back when EVERY Verizon subsidy was EXACTLY $120, the $175 ETF made perfect sense. The smartphones were $399.99 and $499.99 because they're full retail costs were $520 and $620 and Verizon ALWAYS discounted EXACTLY $120. And this was before you sent in the $50 rebate.

Then the game changed (thanks in many ways to the iPhone). Verizon started discounting phones that still cost them $520 or so much more than $120. The original example of the Curve II at $359.99 shows that the phone is discounted $210 down to $149.99 before the $100 rebate. The $210 subsidy is almost twice the subsidy Verizon gave on phones only ...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 2:11 PM
Exactly. But they HAVE adapted and the FCC can go hang themselves as far as I am concerned. If they won't do anything about carriers charging $.20 per SMS and $.25 per MMS they can question all they like, they have no standing here. All they are doing is politicizing a legitimate business practice.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:17 PM
Agreed. The FCC seemed to be smoking in the bathroom while companies changed text rates and monthly "fees" that look like taxes. Sure, they eventually mention something, but well after the issue has happened.

This time around, Verizon ups the penalty for phones they subsidize more than "simple feature phones" - a practice I understand but accept as logical - and the FCC is on them like flies on crap.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 1:56 PM
Azeron, am I one of the knights, or one of the warmongers?
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 2:04 PM
I honestly would not label you as either. I don't fault someone for working for Verizon and being pro-Verizon. It is those that tell people to shut up complaining for posting their disagreement with a company's policies or troll other carriers forums and bash them or name call people because they have something to say about "their" carrier that I am critical of. You have always been objective in my estimation. If someone attacks VZW without merit...you step up. I don't see a problem there. But you don't defend the indefensible (as you have pointed out required data plan on 8360).
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:12 PM
Oh, good. ๐Ÿ™‚ I WANT to be objective, and I strive to be so. Please, if I ever unreasonably stray in either direction, point it out to me.

The pissing matches on here used to force me off the board out of frustration. I can't stand them. It makes no sense to tell someone to flake off simply because they have a concern about the company they buy service from. And, of course, it makes no sense to grind out more and more "I hate Verizon because..." posts when you're hard-earned money will likely be welcomed at a half-dozen other quality companies (as you have stated on many occasions).
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 2:18 PM
I'll be honest. I love Verizon's coverage. I spend more than a few moments trying to talk myself into leaving because of the price, but it is really difficult. It would be different if the American landscape were like Europe and all I need to do is activate a SIM with a rival carrier. NO! I've got to buy all new equipment. Today is probably my last day with my beloved 8330. It is going to be REALLY hard to go back to a dumb-phone only.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:22 PM
I wish I'd kept my i760. At least I could turn the data on and off if I preferred.
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alee

Feb 3, 2010, 7:51 PM
๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ So true, mindless zombies, the bunch of them. Cant wait to hear a response.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 1:52 PM
First, I don't explain away anything with the $10 data plan.

As I've said numerous times on this board and elsewhere, I do not agree with it, at least, not without conditions. I heard through a contact that the price plans were changing in conjunction with the data requirements going online, and I had hoped that voice costs would be going down across the board while data requirements went up, effectively canceling each other out. Obviously, that was wishful thinking. Aside from that, I can better understand the requirements being tagged onto some models, but not phones like the LG 8360 and the Motorola Entice. If there were clearer distinctions between the high-end bells-and-whistles models that require data and the ones that do not...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:55 PM
Oh yeah! That LG Dare promo they have when the phone first launched was very profitable.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:21 PM
Ha! The LG Chocolate (before people realized it was a turd) was offered to employees for what, $50? And that was back when employees could open a line of service and cancel without any ETF because they didn't have contracts!

A friend opened four lines back in the day (the old max for employees), bought four Chocolates, and sold them all for $100 to $150 a piece. Good profit.

Damn, the way I make it sound, employees were the problem. ๐Ÿ™‚
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 2:27 PM
Yeah. There were rules in place, but I would use all four of my upgrades and just switch back to the original phones and drop the new phones on Ebay. They were VERY wise to begin holding employees to contracts. Everything in life is a reaction. If people honored their contracts there wouldn't even be a need for ETFs. The problem is people see a big corporation or the government and the feel that it is okay to rip them off because they have SO much money. Sorry...doesn't work that way.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:34 PM
Like Menno, but for the sake of argument, I hope that some day the industry switched to unsubsidized phones. I'd rather sign a contract for a lower monthly rate rather than for a phone, and I think it will give customers back some of their purchase power.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:22 PM
One can expect an objective response from someone who says "leaving us for".

Platypus, since Verizon's network is so awesome, why don't you activate a VZW phone on Page Plus (Verizon reseller)? $39.99 Unlimited Talk and Text.
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 1:35 PM
I was originally going after the Curve 2, but just caught off guard with the 350 ETF. I don't believe page plus offers BB service...plus I really don 't want to go with pre-paid service. I read that pageplus does not offer all the coverage verizon Post Paid plan does...but I don't know if that's true.

Anyways thanks for the suggestion. I will probably just go pay full retail for a curve 2 found one on CL for 3 hundred brand new, and stay contract free for now. I'm sure verizon will not change any of these policies but i can Hope.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:44 PM
Verizon's going to offer Blackberry on prepay soon, though I don't know any real details yet. I'm told it would be $5 more than normal for the monthly rate (the recent prepay change), and $5 more than normal for the email and web plan. The phone would likely be $120 or so, but no ETF.

That reminds me, one of the issues I have with the %350 ETF is that signing a one year isn't adjusted for the change in cost. You pay $70 more for the phone (i.e. Verizon subsidizes less), but the ETF is still $350 with $10 taken off for every month you complete under contract. So canceling just before the 1 year contract is up would cost $240, but a month later it would be $0. One would imagine that a lower subsidy warrants a lower ETF rate. If you ha...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:03 PM
Oh yeah. I understand that. I'm just saying Verizon/Alltel coverage is HUGE! I think I went extended in rural Mississippi once and of course I lost coverage in rural Louisiana. I'll take VZW native coverage. No question.

I can never understand why anyone purchasing a secondary line would sign a two year unless it is part of a BOGO. Can't upgrade early and the warranty is gone after a year. It is worth it in my opinion to just pay the extra $70 and upgrade every ten months. Flip old phones on Ebay.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:05 PM
Because they like that warm and fuzzy $50 price point.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:07 PM
Man, I used to shake my head at the short-sightedness of customers. Signing two year contracts for the POS phones like the U340. I felt so badly for them.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:10 PM
True. I never understood customers signing two-years for the Kyocera KX-414. Talk about a six-month phone, at best. $20 would end up costing you $200 when you figure in the full retail a650 you had to buy later on.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:15 PM
Aw man! You went way back. I would glare daggers at sales reps who sold Kyocera phones. That phone WAS garbage. They had a PTT version (KX-444, I think). You know what I LOVED about Kyocera phones is when a customer would bring the phone in and complain about it not charging. I would hem the sales rep who sold it up in a corner:

"First of all. You sold a Kyocera. You are going straight to hell for that." Second of all, you neglected to show him where to plug in the charger. You KNOW they always plug the charger into the headset port!"
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:26 PM
I think we mostly sold our KX414s full retail anyway - it was the "desperate man's phone," and it was only about $140 full retail back in the day.

But every once in a while someone would be set on buying that thing under contract. It was the reluctant dad who thought he was all smart paying nearly nothing for his kid's first phone, or the slightly stupid teenager who thought it looked "kewl." I've always been honest with people (and I still am!), and told them I'd rather stand chin-high in fresh manure than sell them that phone.

I sold a bunch of the PTT ones to a company about four years ago. They needed PTT and ruggedness. It was the first and last time I ever sold them. Oddly enough, they're still using them (I can't convince t...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:32 PM
๐Ÿคฃ

Oh yeah! I forgot how cheap they were full retail. Along with the LG-VX3200 and the Motorola C343. The VX3200 was a winner. I think $129.99 or $149.99 full retail. Couldn't beat it.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:40 PM
Of course, I remember when the Audiovox CDM-9500 was $499.99 Full Retail (AND we thought it was a cool phone because the Fifty Cent "In the Club" sounded JUST LIKE the song! Man polyphonic ring tones. Talk about the Stone Age).
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:53 PM
The CDM-9900 was the first high-end (read: camera) phone we sold for $50. The model existed for all of two months before it was no longer made. And it was a GOOD phone, too. I'd say it would hold its weight even today, if we sold it.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 4:01 PM
Verizon did not want to carry it at all. It was a GREAT phone. The camera was AWESOME! I bought one and put it on Ebay. I was REALLY torn after I saw what a great camera it had.
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 1:01 AM
The company I worked for had a couple of those as loaner phones.. basically if someone game in with a phone that was not functional but still covered under warranty, we would provide loaner phones for them to use while they waited for their phone to come in. If they didn't return their loaner phone, we had a signed paper from them that let us charge 100 for the lost loaner and we wrote it off.

anytime that phone was given for a U340 or something similar, we would never get the loaner back.
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Azeron

Feb 3, 2010, 9:42 AM
Yeah, I would trade a $100 and a U340 for a CDM9900 any day. Toshiba made the good Audiovox phones. Those 8000 series phones were garbage.
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:56 AM
I never got that either... I loved it when people would come into my store with a 340 they got online for "free" complaining about how poor the sound/battery life was. Things like that are free for a reason.



then you had the opposite end "I want to know the retail cost of all the phones so I can get the MOST EXPENSIVE" one for free with my NE2.. I want to get my money's worth..
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MissSLM07

Feb 7, 2010, 10:44 AM
How come VZW couldn't leave the price of unlimited data for dumbphones @ $15??? If someone is going to pay $30 for unlimited data they might as well just buy a smartphone(pda). Its ridiculous to require someone pay that much for unlimited on a dumbphone. $10 for 25MB...Wth is 25 MB??? Anyone could easily go over that. Whomever decided to make these changes to the plans definitely didn't have the consumer in mind. **** Verizon! *middle finger*
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epik

Feb 7, 2010, 4:03 PM
Your question answered itself... "they might as well just buy a smartphone."
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Jayshmay

Feb 2, 2010, 12:04 PM
That 25mb crap is just lame, it really is. Most people use that in ONE day! With that plan they probably trying to force people to upgrade to the
!!$30!! plan.

So essentially Vzn is charging $10/mo for NOTHING, cause that's what 25mb's is, NOTHING!
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 12:12 PM
I like verizon I just don't get it. It would be one thing to require a txt messaging plan for the enV3, but data that I will never use! I don't need mobile web and will not be forced to pay for something I don't want.
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Jayshmay

Feb 2, 2010, 12:21 PM
All this stuff about assuming all people use there phones the same and that everybody does this or does that with their phone pisses me off! It isn't up to any company to TELL someone what they have to pay for.

I swear, cable companies don't FORCE things onto peoples accts.
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navydave

Feb 2, 2010, 12:31 PM
tell me jay if a person uses 25m aday why would it not if be a GOOD DEAL on only pay $30 a month????????????????????????????
Unless your dad doesn't mind blowing the house payment on your phonebill.

Oh and the other guys are pushing the same data plans on you.

Grow up and expect to pay for data, its what the phone companies have to sell. People don't pay 40/50 bucks a month to be reminded to stop and buy milk. The want data and clear talk, na that cost money. Money you are going to spend or do without the service.
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Platypus

Feb 2, 2010, 1:04 PM
30 dollars for unlimited data on a dumb phone is just fu(king retarded! Have you used mobile web? Jesus Christ I would not pay a dollar to use it! 30 is fine for smart phone data with a reasonable browser!

The other carriers are not DOING it, att is giving you a choice between txt and data, and their data is unlimited!!! Big difference! So you you want a texting machine obviously you can just get your txt package and walk away.


tmobile and sprint have not done anything stupid like this, and NONE of them are trying to TRAP people further and sneak a 350 ETF like Verizon!
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:24 PM
Granted, Sprint is walking on eggshells and T-Mobile can't find the strength to follow suit when they're still busily building up their 3G network and milking the "we're not AT&T or Verizon" shtick for all its worth. You better believe that if those two had strong financials and two or three times more customers, they'd be thinking the same thing, too.
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:06 AM
I honestly don't see how Sprint can continue.. their past few years have been terrible (showing a loss) You can only give away stuff for free so long before you run out of mad money.
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imwy2cool

Feb 4, 2010, 12:31 PM
All the stupid talk about "If you want a semi-smart phone expect pay for data" drives me nuts. I WANT a semi-smart phone like the ENV Touch and I DON'T need the data. There are other reasons to have a phone like that. On my account I called and had them block data on all 5 lines.

Now they tell me if I want a phone I have to add 10 bucks to each of the lines I upgrade???!!! I'm so mad. I'm glad that I have three lines out of contract and the other two within a few months. It ticks me off that three weeks ago I could have got the phones I wanted without some stupid forced add on.

Verizon hear this: I've paid you over $15,000 over the past six years. You've going to lose me and I dare say many more customers over policies like this. Giv...
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Menno

Feb 4, 2010, 6:02 PM
you're responding to the wrong post fyi
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 9:19 PM
Don't talk the talk, walk the walk.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 1:44 PM
Seriously... I think an important first step would be allowing others to vent without name calling. If one cannot complain about unfair policies here then where can one? And if the "other guys" all have the same policy (which they do not by the way) that still does not make it fair.
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Guy Montag

Feb 2, 2010, 8:57 PM
Is the ENV3 a pda? Otherwise unlimited is only $10 if you've got unlimited text, or $20 if you don't.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 9:27 PM
No. Even on dumbphones $9.99 25MB and $29.99 Unlimited. Where have you been?
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Guy Montag

Feb 2, 2010, 9:35 PM
Ouch. Apparenty not following VZW plans. I thought we(I sell AT&T) were still towing the same line.
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Azeron

Feb 3, 2010, 9:44 AM
Nope! AT&T won't do anything this foolish unless VZW gets away with it. We shall see, eh?
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:17 PM
Someone who is grown up enough to understand the real world. If only the others would do the same... ๐Ÿคจ
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:16 PM
You guys swear that $10 is such---- a big deal! AT&T has unlimited data for $30 and you HAVE TO HAVE IT!
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:30 AM
unlimited data for both att and verizon for smartphones is 30. unlimited data on att for dumbphones is 15 (10 if you have unlimited messaging)
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SugaR-E

Feb 3, 2010, 7:56 PM
No it is $10 if you are on a family plan.
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alee

Feb 4, 2010, 11:34 AM
Nope. 30 dollars for unlimited data and text. Menno is right.
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alee

Feb 4, 2010, 11:35 AM
I think Menno and I had this debate before ๐Ÿคฃ
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SugaR-E

Feb 8, 2010, 4:52 PM
Oh crap... Yea my bad. I was thinking for AT&T. Sorry. I hate working for them. They take over my head! ๐Ÿ‘€
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Well then don't get a smartphone. Simple
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imwy2cool

Feb 4, 2010, 12:37 PM
I hate the dumb replies about not getting a smart phone. Why not allow us to have a choice over using data or not? How about that? Your replies are just stupid Verizon representatives trying to appease people. When I was in the store there were two other people trying to buy phones who were so frustrated that they would have to add something they didn't want.

I asked the rep if they could just block all data and he looked like a whipped pup. I was very nice to him as I realize it isn't his fault, but he told me to go the Verizon's website and post my feelings as it might make a difference if enough people complained. I doubt it will make a difference, but I did it. He said many people were coming in that were not happy about it.

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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 9:23 PM
Well they couldn't explain all those $1.99 MB charges and the FCC got involved. I guess they figured you know what screw this require data on all these phones. Now what are YOU Verizon customers going to do in response? That is the question, eh?
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SugaR-E

Feb 9, 2010, 11:21 PM
You know what, I agree. But like why would you get a phone that was mostly designed for the web? Honestly. I am a Verizon customer, but work for AT&T. Do you know how you can receive and send a picture? It uses DATA! So if you want to block the data you won't be able to pic text. That is the way of the world.
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:14 PM
Well then get unlimited. Simple
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:05 AM
actually on most dumb phones, it's pretty hard to use 25mb in on day unless you have one of the few that can play youtube vids. Remember Jay, this isn't att where you can pop a dumbphone sim into a smartphone and pay the 10 for unlimited.

Do you think you could go through 25mb of data in a day on a razor?
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Its-The-Network

Feb 2, 2010, 12:19 PM
both policies suck plain and simple. i work for vzw and i am losing customers daily because of it. ppl are flabbergasted about both the 350 and the 10 dollar data, and they're walking!
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 12:42 PM
And yet my store has been selling more than ever before, with a few complaints here and there. Go figure.

I don't agree with it, either, but I've seen my data metrics go up in the past couple weeks because of it. As long as THAT is happening somewhere with Verizon, the requirements will continue.
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mellowlen62

Feb 2, 2010, 2:24 PM
And I have a question which I guess would fit here. I can upgrade one of my 4 lines and I really wanted either the Eris or Droid. My kids have a Dare and EnvTouch, both with $15 unlimited data plans. If i get a new phone, my daughter wants my blackberry. I know my contract will change to add the extra data plan, but my son wants to replace his Dare with his sister's EnvTouch. Will that FORCE me out of his $15 unlimited into either the $10 or the unlimited $30 plan on the Env? He uses more than the 25mb and I will NOT PAY $30 for an LG (terrible phones imho). (They've had the crappiest luck with those phones, screens not working one day, then working the next, constant charger issues, it's ridiculous. Someone tell Verizon these phones are NOT...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 2:30 PM
No. That won't force you out of the $15 Vcast Vpak. I would NOT call customer service or go into a store though. I would just dial *228 option 3 from the Touch.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:35 PM
Or do the ESN change online. If it forces a change, it tells you before you submit anything.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 2:32 PM
If your kids already have the $15 Vcast Vpack plans, switching from the Dare to the env Touch you already had won't force you into the newer plans. It won't include the Mobile Email app, which the newer plans include. But the newer plans also don't have Vcast (that's an extra $10 now), which you will continue to have on the plans you're on.

As you know, moving from the $15 VCast VPak plan to a Blackberry will be an increase of $14.99 ($15 up to $29.99). However, you probably won't (read: definitely won't) be able to add the $15 VCast Vpak plan back on once it's off that line.

Did you ever get the software updated on those older phones? I really don't see too many issues with the Dare anymore, though there a lot of them out there in...
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mellowlen62

Feb 2, 2010, 5:03 PM
Ok, so you're telling me to switch the touch to my son on line BEFORE I switch my daughter to the blackberry so I don't lose the Vcast vpak plan...
And then if I don't like my new phone and want my blackberry back, I am SOL with getting back that vcast plan if I want to reactivate the Dare...there's no way to just go back to what I had before? I somehow thought there was. Oh well.
My son's Dare was replaced once right after he got it (internal screen crack) and actually the replacement one has been fine for over a year now. I don't know why he wants the Touch-that was 6 mos old when it had to be replaced for both screens intermittently working and the replacement (only wks old) is doing the exact same thing. Phone sometimes charges and som...
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 8:08 PM
No. You CAN'T switch your son's line to the Touch until the Touch is inactive. Once your daughter has upgraded to the Blackberry have your son power off his current phone. Power on the Touch and dial *228 and Send. Select option three. It will then prompt you for either the last four of the account holder's social or the Billing password. It will then program your son's line into the Touch.

Once your daughter upgrades her line and the Vcast Vpak feature drops...it is gone. Verizon does not offer that feature any longer. By the way, if you are still having trouble with that Touch, I would take it back to the store to be replaced BEFORE upgrading your daughter's line.
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mellowlen62

Feb 2, 2010, 9:17 PM
Thanks. Good point about replacing the Touch before I do anything...didn't think about that
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Menno

Feb 3, 2010, 12:11 AM
The store I am helping out atm isn't seeing much of a backlash either (though keeping intensities in stock is an issue) People are grumbling about it, but when you show them the options, they either choose a non-data phone, or talk themselves into wanting data (seriously.. a customer went from "I just want a basic phone.. really? envy3 needs data? to.. well I guess I'll get the droid then since I am paying for data anyway."

a good thing for the store too (it's indirect) is that the sales they do make are more profitable because things like the chocolate touch and env3 were HORRIBLE for product loss.

I don't agree with the change either, as you know.. but I honestly think all verizon needs to come out with are 1-2 more "solid" qw...
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Azeron

Feb 3, 2010, 9:58 AM
Yes. They need 1x only Qwerty phones.
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Guy Montag

Feb 2, 2010, 9:00 PM
AT&T has a required charge now as well, but we allow the family $30 unlimited text to cover it so it's rarely and issue.
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:23 PM
Which is kinda dumb, to be completely honest. People need to ignore that if they like Verizon why are they freaking out? It has nothing to do with them. It has to do with the people who take advantage of the great deals that are offered. If they are not one, well then who cares? Yeah I understand where you are coming from. Lately I have had a lot of AT&T customers threaten to cancel and walk away due to the $30 enforcement that is AUTOMATICALLY appearing on their account. The thing with AT&T is that if they have a smartphone and haev activated after Sept. 1st, they will be receiving a text saying that a proper data plan has been added to their account. They call in all upset and throw a fit due to AT&T adding a data plan automatically to eve...
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alee

Feb 4, 2010, 12:06 PM
Thats funny because I havent dealt with that at all. And to require data on a smartphone is not only an acceptable request, it just plain smart. I cant tell you how many people would buy a smartphone and insist that they wont use data only to come into my store two months later wondering why the have 400 dollars in usage charges. It takes every ounce of self control not to say "I told you so". ๐Ÿคฃ If you dont want to pay for data, dont get a smartphone and ATT still gives that option.
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 9:16 PM
I have seen that and my response was usually, "I am very sorry but the charges are legitimate."
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SugaR-E

Feb 9, 2010, 11:23 PM
Exactly.
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60dollarcarcharger

Feb 4, 2010, 7:28 PM
wouldn't adding data to a contract without any previous changes be a violation of the contract on AT&T's side?
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imwy2cool

Feb 4, 2010, 12:41 PM
You are right, and I'm one of those who will walk soon as my other two lines are up. I already happily pay for lots of things from Verizon. I've been a customer for a long time, and never questioned higher prices or anything because I got what I wanted. this is just stupid. I'd end up paying a minimum of $50 more a month if I upgrade all my lines, or $600 a year.

I DON'T want to hear anyone's one line "Then buy a simple phone" crap because I want the features of the nicer phones but I just don't need data.

There are a LOT more people out there like me as well.
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Azeron

Feb 4, 2010, 9:26 PM
Verizon is DARING you to walk away. They don't believe that you and customers like you will do anything but bow down and accept the new reality.
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:27 PM
This thread has been up for four hours and looks like it's been up for weeks.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 3:35 PM
I know. I use the flat view so I only see the latest posts.

Check out that coverage. Green and red.

http://www.pagepluscellular.com/Why%20Page%20Plus/Co ... »
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epik

Feb 2, 2010, 3:52 PM
The roaming seems to be mostly divested Alltel, and the red (voice only) looks like some of the Alltel that was retained. At least, that's how it looks in my state and others I know very well.

They sell the E815 for $50. All their phones are the "classics" from Verizon, and all refurb.

Hell, I only need the lowest plan from them, plus texting. $20.95. The only thing I'm missing is smartphone support.

I should open my own store and sell this stuff. I wonder what I would need to flash all my old Verizon phones to.
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Azeron

Feb 2, 2010, 4:11 PM
I find the idea of working retail frightening. I don't mind advising the occasional Phone scooper on a rate plan or phone but the idea of having phones thrown at me is somewhat distasteful
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Menno

Feb 2, 2010, 11:59 PM
retail would be great if it was helping people find a solution for their device/plan/etc and that was it.

But anymore as a phone rep you're expected to be a tech wiz, a customer service guru, the CEO of vzw (to give your customers everything for free like they "deserve") a therapist (because customers will unload stress on you if they had a bad day) and a nanny (for those annoying parents who refuse to tell their kids to stop running around and throwing dummy phones at each other)
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SugaR-E

Feb 2, 2010, 11:12 PM
OK people really need to stop complaining about the ETF. Why do you even care if you are going to stay with them? ****OR**** if you don't want to stay with them purchase the phone at FULL RETAIL PRICE! You have your options, it's ridiculous how people just love to b**ch about things that are really simple.

****OR*** go to AT&T where they force you to pay $30 for unlimited data a month for EVERY SINGLE SMARTPHONE! Deal with it! All the phone companies do their business differently. Grow up and deal with the real world. Gosh!
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alee

Feb 4, 2010, 12:12 PM
You are totally missing the diffrence of the required data between ATT and Verizon. ๐Ÿ™„
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SugaR-E

Feb 4, 2010, 11:58 PM
No people just need to quit complaining and deal with it. They have their options. It's ridiculous how "adults" can be such crybabies sometimes when they don't have it their way. Business is business. You can't have EVERYTHING you want.
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Azeron

Feb 5, 2010, 12:25 AM
No but one can vent about it. Guess what... This is the place. Instead of telling people to suck it up and deal with it, perhaps you should find another forum to frequent. I've been here five years. It's not going to stop unless PhoneScoop ceases to allow comments like Engadget has.
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SugaR-E

Feb 9, 2010, 11:17 PM
I'm pretty sure it is going to happen
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New_2_T-Mobile

Feb 3, 2010, 11:59 AM
I agree verizon does suck! I wish they would get a good Blackberry like the Bold 9700 with AT&T!!! They have all the good phones!! ๐Ÿ˜ข
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replica

Feb 3, 2010, 5:55 PM
they have crossed over to full blown suck. they are not just starting
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MissSLM07

Feb 9, 2010, 6:11 PM
Right
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epik

Feb 7, 2010, 4:08 PM
๐Ÿ‘ฟ ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
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Cellenator

Feb 7, 2010, 7:11 PM
It will save your life!! I have BB 8330 for 60 BUCKS for everything and i've been saved by Jesus Christ too! HEll yeah bitches verizon is for suckers!!!!!!
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Cellenator

Feb 8, 2010, 12:51 PM
I just ate some Yoplait yogurt the thick and creamy kind french vanilla flavor...and was starting to think about how much verizon is really sucking. I got a bill for $120 for only two lines of service! What a rip right? We have two Motorola Barrage phones and they work everywhere we go with crystal clear voice calls! I'm going to email all the verizon executives about this.
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Platypus

Feb 8, 2010, 5:40 PM
Google learned now can Verizon?????

or what's in store for us next week? More money for what?
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Menno

Feb 9, 2010, 10:38 PM
they lowered the equipment recovery fee that they as a third party charge. The ETF remains the same at 200
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lilyofthenorth

Feb 10, 2010, 5:35 PM
If you aren't planning to cancel....What's the issue??? ๐Ÿคจ
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