Verizon will be the best when ........?
Verizon is a great carrier as is Cingular. Had them both at the same time and they both worked great. But the only way I will go back to Verizon is if they get rid of the BREW garbage. I don't like being told who I have to buy all of my content from and I really do not like crippled bluetooth. They can make all the silly excuses they want about viruses and whatever. The fact is that with Cingular, this problem is non-existent and they have pretty good protection for copyrighted protected content. So somebody tell them to get rid of BREW, so I can enjoy V-CAST. I do not think I can wait 8 months before Cingular rolls out UMTS.
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i think that verizon is a lot better then cingular to be honest. you can tell by their numbers. and if cingular had to pay 41 billion dollars for expanding becuase they cant expand on their own and if it will take 20 years plus to be even, then something is wrong. who knows if umts/hspda will be good and fast. especially against wimax, REV A and other technologies.
again, look at the churn, total subscribers etc.. and that will show that verizon is better. as well as with the complaints.
again, look at the churn, total subscribers etc.. and that will show that verizon is better. as well as with the complaints.
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You are just plain ignorant Verizon is not al lot better than Cingular. I am so sick of u posting hot garbage please stop
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so if you say that statment. please show that you think verizon isnt better then cingular.
verizon is better than cingular.
1. churn.
2. lifetime revenue per user
3. DO
4. very good network
5. 6.3 million subscribers for 2004 net adds
6. etc..
now its your turn to show that cingular is better then verizon.
verizon is better than cingular.
1. churn.
2. lifetime revenue per user
3. DO
4. very good network
5. 6.3 million subscribers for 2004 net adds
6. etc..
now its your turn to show that cingular is better then verizon.
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As far as pure service goes, her where I think Cingular has it all over Verizon.
1. Roll over
2. Sim cards ( can buy OTC phones and you are good to go)
3. No roaming surprises
4. Phone selection
5. BT implimentation
6. Coverage is good enough and getting better all the time
7. Plan Pricing
8. 7PM nights
9. Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a signal.
As a subscriber I could not care less about the business end of things like churn, adds, or internet access time.
1. Roll over
2. Sim cards ( can buy OTC phones and you are good to go)
3. No roaming surprises
4. Phone selection
5. BT implimentation
6. Coverage is good enough and getting better all the time
7. Plan Pricing
8. 7PM nights
9. Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a signal.
As a subscriber I could not care less about the business end of things like churn, adds, or internet access time.
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1. roll over isnt good becuase of the limitations. you can only have it for a year then it gets expired.
2. i agree.
3. can you explain that for me?
4. yea, i agree with that.
5. agree
6. not sure if i agree with that, becuase of churn, and complaints.
7. agree.
8. true.
9. isnt verizon the same?
"As a subscriber I could not care less about the business end of things like churn, adds, or internet access time."
you should. becuase churn, adds should effect your mindset about chosing a provider becuase people think. people will think why is the churn high and why are the complaints high.
people do think about that.
2. i agree.
3. can you explain that for me?
4. yea, i agree with that.
5. agree
6. not sure if i agree with that, becuase of churn, and complaints.
7. agree.
8. true.
9. isnt verizon the same?
"As a subscriber I could not care less about the business end of things like churn, adds, or internet access time."
you should. becuase churn, adds should effect your mindset about chosing a provider becuase people think. people will think why is the churn high and why are the complaints high.
people do think about that.
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Roll over gives you a year from the month to use those minutes rolled over in that single month..........MORE than enough time. If I roll over 200 minutes this month and dont use them in 11 months I lose them...But Im continually rolling over minutes so thats reall a non entity. Always will have a decent roll over bank. If you roll over 200 minutes a month you will always have a 1200 minute roll over bank ....after one year PLUS your 450 minutes.....NOT BAD for $39
because there is no roaming on Cingular plans at all....there will be no surprises on your bill. IF you get signal it counts off your minutes period no matter where.
6. Cingular will continue to build out the network DESPITE churn and complaints..in fact it behooves them to ...
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because there is no roaming on Cingular plans at all....there will be no surprises on your bill. IF you get signal it counts off your minutes period no matter where.
6. Cingular will continue to build out the network DESPITE churn and complaints..in fact it behooves them to ...
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Ok why do people need to fight about services...
Let's just say ok, Verizon is the worst service and only works in small areas(I know it doesn't lets just say) and then Cingular works in it's coverage area now. Ok now if I live in the small area of verizon and it works amazing and I never go out of tha area I'm going to say Verizon is better, but for Cingular it would be better if I'm going to be traveling.
Why do I say this. Cause everyone has there reasons for why they like one service over another. There is no reason to fight and talk about churn and whatever else. If something works for one person then they are going to be happy and if something doesn't for another they aren't going to be happy...
On that note, I got Sprint,...
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Let's just say ok, Verizon is the worst service and only works in small areas(I know it doesn't lets just say) and then Cingular works in it's coverage area now. Ok now if I live in the small area of verizon and it works amazing and I never go out of tha area I'm going to say Verizon is better, but for Cingular it would be better if I'm going to be traveling.
Why do I say this. Cause everyone has there reasons for why they like one service over another. There is no reason to fight and talk about churn and whatever else. If something works for one person then they are going to be happy and if something doesn't for another they aren't going to be happy...
On that note, I got Sprint,...
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yea, i agree with your sound opinions.
but wouldnt it be better, and fair if cingular would do roll over for 2 year instead of one? i mean the fair and blexible plan is extremly good and i belive it could be better then the roll over.
but wouldnt it be better, and fair if cingular would do roll over for 2 year instead of one? i mean the fair and blexible plan is extremly good and i belive it could be better then the roll over.
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nextel18 said:
but wouldnt it be better, and fair if cingular would do roll over for 2 year instead of one? i mean the fair and blexible plan is extremly good and i belive it could be better then the roll over.
I disagree about fair and flexable. It really is more expensive if you look at the price points.
But the main fact I like rollover more than fair and flexable is that if I do go over I'd rather use the minutes I already paid for then pay more money to cover the overage.
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fair and flex can last up to whenever, however, roll over just lasts for 1 year and thats it.
that is why i dont like it. what happens after the 1 year is up? back to the old plan with no rollover. with fair and flex all you do is if you go over its a certain amount of money. i belive 5 bucks for every 100 mins used vs others that are 45 cent per min. thats pretty good.
that is why i dont like it. what happens after the 1 year is up? back to the old plan with no rollover. with fair and flex all you do is if you go over its a certain amount of money. i belive 5 bucks for every 100 mins used vs others that are 45 cent per min. thats pretty good.
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nextel18 said:I believe King told you that rollover is ongoing...you never go "back to the old plan with no rollover".
fair and flex can last up to whenever, however, roll over just lasts for 1 year and thats it.
that is why i dont like it. what happens after the 1 year is up? back to the old plan with no rollover. with fair and flex all you do is if you go over its a certain amount of money. i belive 5 bucks for every 100 mins used vs others that are 45 cent per min. thats pretty good.
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rollover only lasts for one year my friend.
what happened to your post saying you want talk to me? cant honor that?
"ROLLOVER MINUTES
Unused Anytime Minutes expire after the 12th billing period. Night and Weekend and Mobile to Mobile Minutes do not roll over. "
from cingular's web site.
lets put a synopsis for you....
unused anytime mins expire after 12th billing period! how is that ongoing?
what happened to your post saying you want talk to me? cant honor that?
"ROLLOVER MINUTES
Unused Anytime Minutes expire after the 12th billing period. Night and Weekend and Mobile to Mobile Minutes do not roll over. "
from cingular's web site.
lets put a synopsis for you....
unused anytime mins expire after 12th billing period! how is that ongoing?
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For example.
Apr 05 you have 200 mins left. They rollover.
If you never in 12 months go over come Apr 06 you lose those 200 mins.
But you still have the May 05, June 05 and so on. Plus if you have 100 left for Apr 06 they rollover as well.
once your on the rollover plan for a full year you will have rollover minutes saved up for 11 months until you change the plan to a non roll over plan. (Or use them all up but the minutes you don't use keep rolling over)
Its not a 1 year special or deal.
Apr 05 you have 200 mins left. They rollover.
If you never in 12 months go over come Apr 06 you lose those 200 mins.
But you still have the May 05, June 05 and so on. Plus if you have 100 left for Apr 06 they rollover as well.
once your on the rollover plan for a full year you will have rollover minutes saved up for 11 months until you change the plan to a non roll over plan. (Or use them all up but the minutes you don't use keep rolling over)
Its not a 1 year special or deal.
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they keep rolling over even after the 12th month? how come it says that they expire and it doesnt say that? can you show me where it says that language please.
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1-866-Cingular
Talk to an actual Cingular Care rep. I'm with Blue CC and haven't been fully trained with Cingular I'll freely admit. But from the somewhat limited info I have access to and the questions I ask the actual Cingular Reps and from my Team meetings with TLs and Ops Managers, what I posted is true.
By expire they mean the minutes you saved up expire after 1 yr but the rollover feature/promo does not exprire as long as you stay on a rollover plan.
Talk to an actual Cingular Care rep. I'm with Blue CC and haven't been fully trained with Cingular I'll freely admit. But from the somewhat limited info I have access to and the questions I ask the actual Cingular Reps and from my Team meetings with TLs and Ops Managers, what I posted is true.
By expire they mean the minutes you saved up expire after 1 yr but the rollover feature/promo does not exprire as long as you stay on a rollover plan.
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i dont have to call them. i read their contract language. it tells me that after you accumulated the roll over for the first year that they expire after the 12th month. thats how its worded to me. or maybe it means that after you accumulate through the 12th month with mins they expire, those mins, and do not roll over anymore during the 2nd term of your contract? could that be it? therefore it doesnt roll over anymore after your first year.
am i missing something?
am i missing something?
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Only the minutes expire after 1yr. The rollover feature/promo does not expire at all. You only lose the feature/promo if you change your plan to a non-rollover plan.
From Cingular website under Common Questions
Q:
Do I lose my Rollover Minutes?
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Minutes will expire from your Current Rollover Balance when the minutes reach an age of 12 billing periods. This normally means that if your have minutes that have sat in your Current Rollover Balance for about a year, then they will expire.
This does not mean you will lose your entire Current Rollover Balance, but just those minutes that have sat there for 12 billing periods. Minutes that are no...
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From Cingular website under Common Questions
Q:
Do I lose my Rollover Minutes?
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A:
Minutes will expire from your Current Rollover Balance when the minutes reach an age of 12 billing periods. This normally means that if your have minutes that have sat in your Current Rollover Balance for about a year, then they will expire.
This does not mean you will lose your entire Current Rollover Balance, but just those minutes that have sat there for 12 billing periods. Minutes that are no...
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"rollover feature/promo does not expire at all."
it does expire.
it just says you keep your ROLLOVER MINS till 12 months or till it goes off, but it doesnt say that it keeps rolling over.
it does expire.
it just says you keep your ROLLOVER MINS till 12 months or till it goes off, but it doesnt say that it keeps rolling over.
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nextel18 said:Should we all just give up on you?
"rollover feature/promo does not expire at all."
it does expire.
it just says you keep your ROLLOVER MINS till 12 months or till it goes off, but it doesnt say that it keeps rolling over.
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why are you still posting to me? what happened to your millions of threads about saying that you will stop talking to me? guess not.
again, i would read the language over listening to him.
again, i would read the language over listening to him.
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Roll over minutes expire one year from the date accumulated. you don't lose ALL the minutes. That would be pretty dumb and no one would buy into that.
Once you have service for a year you lose roll over minutes per month from the previous year's gain in the SAME month. In the mean time you can still accumulate what is being lost. In my case I will be paying $39 a month for a min of 1200 minutes until I USE them,,,,not lose them. And the balance can continue to rise if I roll over more per month than I did the same month last year.
In either case its moot. I do not have to watch my minutes at all anymore and KNOW my bill will be the same every month.
Its a great plan for me.
Once you have service for a year you lose roll over minutes per month from the previous year's gain in the SAME month. In the mean time you can still accumulate what is being lost. In my case I will be paying $39 a month for a min of 1200 minutes until I USE them,,,,not lose them. And the balance can continue to rise if I roll over more per month than I did the same month last year.
In either case its moot. I do not have to watch my minutes at all anymore and KNOW my bill will be the same every month.
Its a great plan for me.
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do you lose the roll over feature? i guess i am trying to understand that whole process. the language on the cingular's web site is very vague in my opinion.
so explain to me please. how does it work.
so explain to me please. how does it work.
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Rollover minutes expire the 12th month from earning them...
For example you earn 100 rollover minutes in April 2005, if by April 2006 you don't use those 100 minutes you lose 100 minutes... On the other hand if you use 50 of the 100 only 50 will expire... so forth and so on...
For example you earn 100 rollover minutes in April 2005, if by April 2006 you don't use those 100 minutes you lose 100 minutes... On the other hand if you use 50 of the 100 only 50 will expire... so forth and so on...
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no no i understand that part.
but on the cingular message board part they are saying that the roll over feature NEVER STOPS. that is why i am confused.
maybe you can go on that board and tell them your say.
but on the cingular message board part they are saying that the roll over feature NEVER STOPS. that is why i am confused.
maybe you can go on that board and tell them your say.
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The feature is a part of the plan and does not expire unless when your contract is over they do not offer that feature any more.
Roll over is best for those who have erratic monthly use. Or those who do not use over 200 and less than 450 daytime minutes.
Roll over is best for those who have erratic monthly use. Or those who do not use over 200 and less than 450 daytime minutes.
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so let me understand this...
lets say you sign up for a plan that has 500 roll over mins. its an obviously a 2 year plan.
so lets say you only use 400 mins per month; thus leaving 100 mins per month. so that means you have 1200 mins at the end of the year. year 2 do your 400 mins that you have keep rolling over or does your 1200 mins keep rolling over? that is what i am confused about.
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lets say you sign up for a plan that has 500 roll over mins. its an obviously a 2 year plan.
so lets say you only use 400 mins per month; thus leaving 100 mins per month. so that means you have 1200 mins at the end of the year. year 2 do your 400 mins that you have keep rolling over or does your 1200 mins keep rolling over? that is what i am confused about.
thanks...
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Ah... Your package minutes are what r/o... The rollover minutes go into what I like to call a bank split by month (12 of them)... the earned rollover minutes do not actually change unless you earn or go over your packaged minutes.
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you still didnt answer the question... so read my post that you replied to and please answer it this time.
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I did answer your question... If I lost you that is not my problem but let me try and simplify things for you.
Rollover minutes expire 12 months from earning
Rollover feature itself does not expire
Rollover minutes cannot earn Rollover
Rollover minutes operate on a month-to-month basis
Example: Your previous example has the customer earning 1200 min in one year, 100 min a month, let's say for the year 2005. On jan, 2006 cust will have 1100 Rollover going into the month... If they earn rollover for Jan 2006 it will be added to the 1100... and so forth and so on...
I cannot simplify it anymore than that. If you're still at a loss... Maybe it was not meant for you to understand.
Rollover minutes expire 12 months from earning
Rollover feature itself does not expire
Rollover minutes cannot earn Rollover
Rollover minutes operate on a month-to-month basis
Example: Your previous example has the customer earning 1200 min in one year, 100 min a month, let's say for the year 2005. On jan, 2006 cust will have 1100 Rollover going into the month... If they earn rollover for Jan 2006 it will be added to the 1100... and so forth and so on...
I cannot simplify it anymore than that. If you're still at a loss... Maybe it was not meant for you to understand.
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i already had someone else explain it for me thanks... i didnt even read the message that you just did.
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OK 500 min per month plan.(Fictional plan) Use 400 per month. 100 min per month rollover.
At the end of year 1 your first month of rollover mins expire (The first 100 mins) Leaving 1100 minutes.
But then first month of year 2 you only use 400 mins again. Which means another 100 mins rollover giving you a total of 1200 mins stored in the rollover bucket.
2nd month of year 2 the 100 mins you saved up in the 2nd month of year 1 will expire. But if you only use 200 mins that month that will leave 300 left over. Which will go into the roll over bucket giving you a total stored of 1400 rollover mins.
1200-100+300=1400
And it just follows that cycle. Month 3 of year 2 you lose Month 3 of year 1 mins stored and gain Month...
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At the end of year 1 your first month of rollover mins expire (The first 100 mins) Leaving 1100 minutes.
But then first month of year 2 you only use 400 mins again. Which means another 100 mins rollover giving you a total of 1200 mins stored in the rollover bucket.
2nd month of year 2 the 100 mins you saved up in the 2nd month of year 1 will expire. But if you only use 200 mins that month that will leave 300 left over. Which will go into the roll over bucket giving you a total stored of 1400 rollover mins.
1200-100+300=1400
And it just follows that cycle. Month 3 of year 2 you lose Month 3 of year 1 mins stored and gain Month...
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alright thanks. seems to me that you are the only one who can actually explain that lol... thanks..
hahah bill gates yea.
thanks.
hahah bill gates yea.
thanks.
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thanks. well i am learning something about that, which is good. seems like everyone keeps saying whatever and doesnt explain it. but you did and i say thanks...
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You would have 1000 minutes in the 12 th month UNLESS in that twelveth month you used only 300 minutes. Then 200 minutes would roll over and you would still have 1200 minutes going inot th 13th month at which time you would lose the minutes if any rolled over 12 months prior to that and gain any current non use of your 500min plan.....
The bottom line is after a few months it does not matter..you will be able to stop the clock watching.
The bottom line is after a few months it does not matter..you will be able to stop the clock watching.
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It was saying that the rollover MINUTES expire after 12 months. Not the feature.
The feature does not expire. Its on the account as long as the rate plan you are on qualifies for the feature.
I don't understand you. This is not rocket science. You seem to be stuck on the word "Expires" but as far as rollover is concerned that word is only used when talking about Rollover MINUTES. Rollover is a feature in the plan itself. Your in plan minutes never expire. The Nation wide LD and roaming don't expire. NW don't expire. Those are all features of the plan just like Rollover!!
The feature does not expire. Its on the account as long as the rate plan you are on qualifies for the feature.
I don't understand you. This is not rocket science. You seem to be stuck on the word "Expires" but as far as rollover is concerned that word is only used when talking about Rollover MINUTES. Rollover is a feature in the plan itself. Your in plan minutes never expire. The Nation wide LD and roaming don't expire. NW don't expire. Those are all features of the plan just like Rollover!!
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alright. well the language to me says otherwise. if i am wrong, then i am wrong, i dont care, but right now it tells me that roll over expires at the end of the 12th month and that your roll over mins that you have accumulated will expire when you finish it or the 12th month of the 2nd year. thats what its telling me. i will call up a customer agent at cingular on monday and then i will see if i understand it correctly.
again, if i am wrong, then i will admit it.
again, if i am wrong, then i will admit it.
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nextel18 said:Dude. King told you how it works to a "T" and you just ignored him. Correction tells you the same and you ignore him. Do you ever just listen to anybody who has something of value to tell you?
they keep rolling over even after the 12th month? how come it says that they expire and it doesnt say that? can you show me where it says that language please.
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i thought you were going to stop talking to me? what happened?
i didnt ignore him.. i just dont see that in the language and i would belive the language over him.
i didnt ignore him.. i just dont see that in the language and i would belive the language over him.
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nextel18 said:
yea, i agree with your sound opinions.
but wouldnt it be better, and fair if cingular would do roll over for 2 year instead of one? i mean the fair and blexible plan is extremly good and i belive it could be better then the roll over.
The fair and flexible plan is a great plan. However I do not like any plan that changes my per month cost. That said the roll over is best for people like myself who are on the $39 per month plan and rarely use 450 primetime minutes in a month. I never pay more than that and always have way more then 450 minutes due to my roll over bank. The tenure of the minutes does not matter because I will never exceed my bank. even when minutes start dropping off in a ...
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very true. thanks...
i just dont like roll over becuase of that 1 year policy.
i just dont like roll over becuase of that 1 year policy.
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nextel18 said:
very true. thanks...
i just dont like roll over becuase of that 1 year policy.
And this just shows exactly the lack of understanding that makes you seem like a fool everytime you open your mouth...
The only rollover minutes that expire after a year are THE MINUTES YOU ACCUMULATED A YEAR AGO.
In other words... April 2004 you have 200 rollover minutes. if you don't use those particular 200 minutes, then you lose them a year later. BUT YOU STILL HAVE THE MINUTES YOU ACCUMULATED FOR THE REST OF THE YEAR!
Now please take your misinformation and become a politician.
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YOU THINK CINGULAR IS COMPETITION TO VERIZON,??? YEAH RIGHT
WELL VERIZON IS ALREADY A HIGH SPEED NETWORK LET'S SAY 3G,,,,, WHEN IS CINGULAR GOING TO IMPLEMENT A 3G NETWORK IN 8 MORE MONTHS,, WELL I GUESS IN 8 MORE MONTHS VERIZON WILL HAVE A YEAR WITH THEIR HIGH SPEED NETWORK. ONE YEAR AHEAD OF CINGULAR, BIG TIME DIFFERENCE AND EXPERIENCE SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING ERRORS, BUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY JUST BOTHER ME,,
STAY AMERICAN CDMA TECNOLOGY RULES, NO EUROPEAN WANTA BE VERSIONS.
WELL VERIZON IS ALREADY A HIGH SPEED NETWORK LET'S SAY 3G,,,,, WHEN IS CINGULAR GOING TO IMPLEMENT A 3G NETWORK IN 8 MORE MONTHS,, WELL I GUESS IN 8 MORE MONTHS VERIZON WILL HAVE A YEAR WITH THEIR HIGH SPEED NETWORK. ONE YEAR AHEAD OF CINGULAR, BIG TIME DIFFERENCE AND EXPERIENCE SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING ERRORS, BUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY JUST BOTHER ME,,
STAY AMERICAN CDMA TECNOLOGY RULES, NO EUROPEAN WANTA BE VERSIONS.
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OH YEAH ONE MORE THINK,,
YOU WERE SAYING SIM CARDS ARE THE BEST THING,,
WELL JUST REMEMBER SPRINT AND NEXTEL WILL USE CDMA TECHNOLOGY, JUST AS VERIZON,, NO SIM CARDS.... SEE YA
YOU WERE SAYING SIM CARDS ARE THE BEST THING,,
WELL JUST REMEMBER SPRINT AND NEXTEL WILL USE CDMA TECHNOLOGY, JUST AS VERIZON,, NO SIM CARDS.... SEE YA
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YOU THINK CINGULAR IS COMPETITION TO VERIZON,??? YEAH RIGHT
WELL VERIZON IS ALREADY A HIGH SPEED NETWORK LET'S SAY 3G,,,,, WHEN IS CINGULAR GOING TO IMPLEMENT A 3G NETWORK IN 8 MORE MONTHS,, WELL I GUESS IN 8 MORE MONTHS VERIZON WILL HAVE A YEAR WITH THEIR HIGH SPEED NETWORK. ONE YEAR AHEAD OF CINGULAR, BIG TIME DIFFERENCE AND EXPERIENCE SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING ERRORS, BUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY JUST BOTHER ME,,
STAY AMERICAN CDMA TECNOLOGY RULES, NO EUROPEAN WANTA BE VERSIONS...
WELL VERIZON IS ALREADY A HIGH SPEED NETWORK LET'S SAY 3G,,,,, WHEN IS CINGULAR GOING TO IMPLEMENT A 3G NETWORK IN 8 MORE MONTHS,, WELL I GUESS IN 8 MORE MONTHS VERIZON WILL HAVE A YEAR WITH THEIR HIGH SPEED NETWORK. ONE YEAR AHEAD OF CINGULAR, BIG TIME DIFFERENCE AND EXPERIENCE SORRY ABOUT THE SPELLING ERRORS, BUT PEOPLE LIKE THIS GUY JUST BOTHER ME,,
STAY AMERICAN CDMA TECNOLOGY RULES, NO EUROPEAN WANTA BE VERSIONS...
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rollover= sucks, if you were a busy individual you would not even care about rollover..
sim cars= gsm tecnology just simply sucks compare to cdma which offers better speed, reliability,and not as much dropped calls as gsm.
not so expensive to implement as a gsm network.
roaming surpises= come on verizon has the most coverage in the states just take a look at the maps
phone selection..... look a t lg v8000 you'll see what cdma phone are capable of, including the V cast televison service
coverage= verizon is definetely better look at the maps please dude.
7pm. not really care about them, soon enough verizon will implement this service as well..
Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a s...
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sim cars= gsm tecnology just simply sucks compare to cdma which offers better speed, reliability,and not as much dropped calls as gsm.
not so expensive to implement as a gsm network.
roaming surpises= come on verizon has the most coverage in the states just take a look at the maps
phone selection..... look a t lg v8000 you'll see what cdma phone are capable of, including the V cast televison service
coverage= verizon is definetely better look at the maps please dude.
7pm. not really care about them, soon enough verizon will implement this service as well..
Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a s...
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rollover= sucks, if you were a busy individual you would not even care about rollover..
sim cars= gsm tecnology just simply sucks compare to cdma which offers better speed, reliability,and not as much dropped calls as gsm.
not so expensive to implement as a gsm network.
roaming surpises= come on verizon has the most coverage in the states just take a look at the maps
phone selection..... look a t lg v8000 you'll see what cdma phone are capable of, including the V cast televison service
coverage= verizon is definetely better look at the maps please dude.
7pm. not really care about them, soon enough verizon will implement this service as well..
Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a s...
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sim cars= gsm tecnology just simply sucks compare to cdma which offers better speed, reliability,and not as much dropped calls as gsm.
not so expensive to implement as a gsm network.
roaming surpises= come on verizon has the most coverage in the states just take a look at the maps
phone selection..... look a t lg v8000 you'll see what cdma phone are capable of, including the V cast televison service
coverage= verizon is definetely better look at the maps please dude.
7pm. not really care about them, soon enough verizon will implement this service as well..
Large all digital network..M2M and all services available everwhere you get a s...
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nextel18 said:
i think that verizon is a lot better then cingular to be honest. you can tell by their numbers. and if cingular had to pay 41 billion dollars for expanding becuase they cant expand on their own and if it will take 20 years plus to be even, then something is wrong. who knows if umts/hspda will be good and fast. especially against wimax, REV A and other technologies.
again, look at the churn, total subscribers etc.. and that will show that verizon is better. as well as with the complaints.
I think there was a time in the not too distant past when Verizzon was ALOT better then Cingular, That gap is closing rapidly as a network has a finite end when both will be equal in coverage, What then...
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yea, your points are very valid. however, cingular doesnt have a stock other then bls and sbc which really dont count.
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Cingular is SBC and thats it's saviour. Cingular has deep pockets there. Whenever a company buys another the buying companie's stock always falls.
Whn SBC has a market value of 120 Billion the 41 BIllion they paid will be a non issue by far. If and when they get to Verizon's stock pprice consider the purchase of ATT FREE!!!!
Whn SBC has a market value of 120 Billion the 41 BIllion they paid will be a non issue by far. If and when they get to Verizon's stock pprice consider the purchase of ATT FREE!!!!
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sbc and bell south are cingular's saviour.
of course their stock price falls.
". If and when they get to Verizon's stock pprice consider the purchase of ATT FREE!!!!"
thats not true at all. its about revenue and everything as opposed to the stock price.
since sbc owns 60 percent i belive and bell south owns 40 percent you have to take that under consideration, especially when it comes to if you are comparing it to vodaphone and verizon. vodaphone owns 45 percent of vzw and verizon owns 55 percent. if you want to do the math to see if they will even you have to take the percentages of it.
sbc= 23.
bls=25
vod=26
vz=35
i would take vodaphone and verizon over sbc and bell south becuase of verizon wireless and vodaphone...
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of course their stock price falls.
". If and when they get to Verizon's stock pprice consider the purchase of ATT FREE!!!!"
thats not true at all. its about revenue and everything as opposed to the stock price.
since sbc owns 60 percent i belive and bell south owns 40 percent you have to take that under consideration, especially when it comes to if you are comparing it to vodaphone and verizon. vodaphone owns 45 percent of vzw and verizon owns 55 percent. if you want to do the math to see if they will even you have to take the percentages of it.
sbc= 23.
bls=25
vod=26
vz=35
i would take vodaphone and verizon over sbc and bell south becuase of verizon wireless and vodaphone...
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Thats because you believe in the Verizon of yesterday. My belief is VErizon will struggle from here on out just to maintain their current state of ARPU, adds, etc. They have real consolidated competition now and its going to get even more competitive with Sprint/Nextel.
This is a new arena for VErizon...Its just a different set of rules now and Verizon is forced to play by Cingular's rules all of a sudden.
If they were confidant they would not have reduced their plan prices. A year ago if you asked a VErizon rep why Verizon was more expensive he would look at you like you were asking how many miles per gallon the Rolls Royce you were interested in got......
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This is a new arena for VErizon...Its just a different set of rules now and Verizon is forced to play by Cingular's rules all of a sudden.
If they were confidant they would not have reduced their plan prices. A year ago if you asked a VErizon rep why Verizon was more expensive he would look at you like you were asking how many miles per gallon the Rolls Royce you were interested in got......
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oh yea, verizon will be facing more competition from nextel/sprint and cingular/att wireless. there is no question about that. i think that they will continue to do very well with their sub growth and arpu, as well as their churn. their prepaid service is doing quite well. i would rather be in verizon's place then cingular's place becase you have wealthier parents in vodaphone and verizon, and you didnt spend/waste 41 billion dollars on a terrible company in att wireless who only got you 21 million subscribers.
yea, time will tell, but i belive verizon will still be doing well then cingular. we will see.
yea, time will tell, but i belive verizon will still be doing well then cingular. we will see.
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I agree with you Kingfrog actually Cingular is makes more money than anything else sbc owns except DSL. SBC has a game plan that includes wirelelss being a big part of the game plan. I am sure Verizon's landline has the same kind of plans because landline is not bringing as much money as it used to.
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actually dumbass Cingular has LESS churn, and more new customers than Verizon does. Did you forget it took what 6-7 companies to create Verizon?.....retard
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cingular has less churn than verizon? are you sure about that?
lets see.
churn for the year of 2004
(information is from their 10ks)
cingular= 2.70%
verizon= 1.50%
thus; verizon has LESS churn than cingular.
fyi, you want churn to be lower not higher.
churn= the number of people that leaves your provider. (ie turn over)
whats up with the name calling?
yea, cingular waisted 41 billion dollars for 21 million new subscribers while verizon only spent 5 billion for 7.3 million subscribers. if verizon spent 41 billion dollars they would get approx 59.86 million subscribers. (41 billion dollars in capex. they spent around 5 billion dollars per year on capex)
so which one is better? verizon.
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lets see.
churn for the year of 2004
(information is from their 10ks)
cingular= 2.70%
verizon= 1.50%
thus; verizon has LESS churn than cingular.
fyi, you want churn to be lower not higher.
churn= the number of people that leaves your provider. (ie turn over)
whats up with the name calling?
yea, cingular waisted 41 billion dollars for 21 million new subscribers while verizon only spent 5 billion for 7.3 million subscribers. if verizon spent 41 billion dollars they would get approx 59.86 million subscribers. (41 billion dollars in capex. they spent around 5 billion dollars per year on capex)
so which one is better? verizon.
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Let's See, How many companies did it take to create Verizon?
Airtouch, BAM, GTE, PrimeCo. That's 4.
How many did it take to create Cingular?
SBC Cellular, Bell South Cellular, Ameritech, Pactel, ATTWS. That's 5. We won't even talk about the LBO's ATTWS did to get big. The legacy of Cingular is buying the competition.
Do your research before you call someone a retard.
Airtouch, BAM, GTE, PrimeCo. That's 4.
How many did it take to create Cingular?
SBC Cellular, Bell South Cellular, Ameritech, Pactel, ATTWS. That's 5. We won't even talk about the LBO's ATTWS did to get big. The legacy of Cingular is buying the competition.
Do your research before you call someone a retard.
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thanks... he also thinks that cingular's churn is a lot lower than verizon.
you are right he should do his research.
you are right he should do his research.
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Also remember, a carrier can offer what they choose (legal products only, of course). They are basically saying "we will only allow you to download BREW applications through GIN if and only if you choose us as you carrier. You are free to select whoever is available in your market." You've gotta weigh the pros and cons of each carrier and think of what you want the most. đ
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LanceUppercut said:
why don't my playstation games work on my xbox?
I have often wondered the same thing, have you tried sicking VHS's in your DVD slots, no luck here
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I also wondered something like that..
Like, why didn't my Acura key work in the Ferrari I tried to steal?! đĄ
Like, why didn't my Acura key work in the Ferrari I tried to steal?! đĄ
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i think you people are all nuts, freaking out about, oh no i don't want to pay for my apps, or i can't pay what the carrier requires, so many cheap people in these cellular forums.
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VZWagent said:
i think you people are all nuts, freaking out about, oh no i don't want to pay for my apps, or i can't pay what the carrier requires, so many cheap people in these cellular forums.
A perfect example of a warm and friendly VErizon rep ADMONISHING a customer.......
You guys do make me laugh,
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kingfrog77 said:VZWagent said:
i think you people are all nuts, freaking out about, oh no i don't want to pay for my apps, or i can't pay what the carrier requires, so many cheap people in these cellular forums.
A perfect example of a warm and friendly VErizon rep ADMONISHING a customer.......
You guys do make me laugh,
On second thought..I think all Verizon customers should visit this board and see just how helpful, warm and fuzzy you guys indeed are.
$30 a share will come sooner than even I thought.Oops.......I know, sorry, Market price of your stock has nothing to do with your managing a business and employees and has no relavance to Verizon at all......oops :rol...
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Please move to another service, carrier, purchase other stocks, or whatever. I'm not going to flame, troll, or anything of the likes, but please, move on!No one is making you own Verizon stock, use Verizon Wireless Service, so don't.
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Zaniphan said:Now, see...this is what I'm talking about. You called him on his "misunderstanding" of Verizon's public or private status, and he corrected you. Now you angrily tell him to go away. Let's try to be a little civil here.
Please move to another service, carrier, purchase other stocks, or whatever. I'm not going to flame, troll, or anything of the likes, but please, move on!No one is making you own Verizon stock, use Verizon Wireless Service, so don't.
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I am being civil. Yes, I guess it still has an impact on VZW, but all Kingfrog Does is bash on VZW, day in and day out, never with anything positive to note. I just wish he would A: Be constructive, or B: Go to a carrier's forum he does like, so that way we don't have to see posts like this where its on and on bickering. âšī¸
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Zaniphan said:I'm just fantasizing about all of us getting along. Lately I've been pretty upset with all the crap being flung.
I am being civil. Yes, I guess it still has an impact on VZW, but all Kingfrog Does is bash on VZW, day in and day out, never with anything positive to note. I just wish he would A: Be constructive, or B: Go to a carrier's forum he does like, so that way we don't have to see posts like this where its on and on bickering. âšī¸
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True, I was not meaning to stir up any trouble. I just think the Verizon people just recites studies done on about 3 or 4000 customers and try to proclaim they have some sort of superiority. Since I have them (both providers) on my hip I just want to tell them that the service from Cingular was and still is just as good as the service from Verizon. Right now, all Verizon really has over Cingular is EV-DO, which is great. And to the guy who said Cingular had to merge to get to its spot, then lets talk about the merger of the 4 or 5 companies that made today's modern day Verizon. That merger opened up the company to every major region in this country and their parent company shelled out the dough to make them great. Verizon has had more ...
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Well, I left Cingular and now that I have no ties to my former employer I will tell you how I see it.
This is an interesting post... About the Ev-do and the UMTS and the HSPDA and all that bull. I got to see a bit of the "back" at Cingular and I will say this most certainly: Cingular has too many cooks in the Kitchen.
Their GSM service, anybody's GSM service, here in the states will suck compare to what Europe has. I can't even use GSM here in the US because its that bad. I know what good GSM service is wether its Orange, Voda, 3, or T-Mo (I personally prefer Voda). In fact Cingular/Att sucked so bad that I couldn't take it and had to go to Verizon because only there in my area (Philadelphia) did it not suck as bad as Cingular. ...
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This is an interesting post... About the Ev-do and the UMTS and the HSPDA and all that bull. I got to see a bit of the "back" at Cingular and I will say this most certainly: Cingular has too many cooks in the Kitchen.
Their GSM service, anybody's GSM service, here in the states will suck compare to what Europe has. I can't even use GSM here in the US because its that bad. I know what good GSM service is wether its Orange, Voda, 3, or T-Mo (I personally prefer Voda). In fact Cingular/Att sucked so bad that I couldn't take it and had to go to Verizon because only there in my area (Philadelphia) did it not suck as bad as Cingular. ...
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Sorry Cingular hurt your feelings. But what I speak is not B.S. and I don't really appreciate it. You are one of millions who can come on here and bag about one of the wireless carriers because you had a bad experience. The funny thing is that there a hundreds of thousands of people in Philly who enjoy Cingular. There are even more than 50 million more who enjoy them across this nation. I happen to enjoy both Cingular and Verizon at the same time and I am more than qualified to come in here and tell luny's like yourself that it is not much difference between the services. Verizon just was able to roll EV-DO out faster because A, they had the spectrum and B, they did not have to just convert there network over from something else less t...
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umts/hsdpa will not be 14mb/s as was tested. i will bet it would be from 1-5mb/s depending on where you are and how close you are to a cell site.
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That is just fine, none the less it will be high speed and technology junkies like myself will enjoy it.
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oh i know!!
this is what we will have in 2007.
rev a, rev o, umts/hsdpa and maybe wimax or flarion.
competition!!!!!!!!!!!
this is what we will have in 2007.
rev a, rev o, umts/hsdpa and maybe wimax or flarion.
competition!!!!!!!!!!!
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Now why is it you post like this... completely un-biased, just wanting the best products to go to your super pro-Sprint/Nextel approach that is completely arrogant?
The only reason why I post is because of fanboys cuz I like to piss em off. I just want good service, I could care less who the provider is.
The only reason why I post is because of fanboys cuz I like to piss em off. I just want good service, I could care less who the provider is.
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nextel18 said:
umts/hsdpa will not be 14mb/s as was tested. i will bet it would be from 1-5mb/s depending on where you are and how close you are to a cell site.
Either way it will be better than $80 a month for 300kbs real word EV-DO if the throughput is even 1mbs.
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yea, i know. 80 bucks per month and 300kb/s is for REV O, not for REV A. we will see what speeds and the prices are for REV A when sprint will be deploying it. i belive it will be closer to 1-3mb/s. especially since sprint does a very good job with spectrum and roll outs with data.
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Knowing Sprint, it will probably be expensive. But I agree with you that Sprint does do a good job of rolling out data.
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well, sprint doesnt usually charge their data plans that high. even, if they do, people actually get sprint becuase of their great data content and products. fyi sprint has the highiest data arpu in the industry. that shows something.
my guess is that sprint will charge around 50-70 bucks per month for REV A. i cant wait for Wimax or flarion to come out.
verizon wont win when it comes to REV O and 80 bucks per month.
my guess is that sprint will charge around 50-70 bucks per month for REV A. i cant wait for Wimax or flarion to come out.
verizon wont win when it comes to REV O and 80 bucks per month.
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kingfrog77 said:nextel18 said:
umts/hsdpa will not be 14mb/s as was tested. i will bet it would be from 1-5mb/s depending on where you are and how close you are to a cell site.
Either way it will be better than $80 a month for 300kbs real word EV-DO if the throughput is even 1mbs.
300 kbps?? the average is 300-600 kbps, and i've rarely seen it as slow as 300 kbps.
$80 a month is worth having unlimited access at a max 2 mbps download speed and a typical browsing speed of 450-500 kbps.
here's the small print.. if you think unlimited means setting up 24 serveilance or 24 hour downloading, your service will be terminated by WDTS. it is normal unlimited use, not "lets...
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What would ever make you think I left Cingy on bad terms? In fact Cingy was a great place to work and the poon.... mate it was like working in a brothel but I didn't have to pay for it.
But about coverage, and this is the meat of what we were chatting about is horrible in my area. Where I was working, KOP and living... centre city Philly my coverage was not of the quality that I would pay for.
As for spectrum and rolling things out before others... well honestly I don't care. Give me service that doesn't sound like sand between two plates of glass.
But about coverage, and this is the meat of what we were chatting about is horrible in my area. Where I was working, KOP and living... centre city Philly my coverage was not of the quality that I would pay for.
As for spectrum and rolling things out before others... well honestly I don't care. Give me service that doesn't sound like sand between two plates of glass.
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