We've had several experimental CDMA iPhones in testing for some time now (which simply means its being tested and nothing more).

The exclusivity was always speculation. And knowing a few things on exclusivity agreements, they usually have a clause for adjustment pending certain changes occur. For instance, an EA could hold until the manufacturer creates a newer version of the phone, at which time the agreement can be modified. Even if it WERE five years, it's likely changed since then, and still, no one on either side of the deal has admitted to any term.

Here's something we can speculate on:
The first iPhone lasted a year. The pricing was set at an unsubsidized rate. Within that first year of the device coming out, Apple slashed...
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very good insight, thanks!

Wow....awesome reply. I had heard that there was no exclusive paperwork saying that Apple was in contract with AT&T only until 2011...it was just speculated. But even if they are, that's a good point that once the iPhone changes, it's new contracts written up.
If Apple expanded their contracts to VZW and even other carriers...their profit would sky rocket.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9742441-7.html »

...it's not the carrier, it's the manufacturer hired out to build the iPhone, that's why it's GSM... Worldphone ready...

If you search around the web you'll see reports how VZW and Sprint are all trying to scramble to either push WiMax or LTE (or downplay the issue) in order to bring the divide between the original CDMA & GSM specs closer. Don't believe me, name one phone that is built 100% in the US or Canada where CDMA is still relevant.

dca said:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9742441-7.html »

...it's not the carrier, it's the manufacturer hired out to build the iPhone, that's why it's GSM... Worldphone ready...

I'm not entirely sure how the article directly relates to your comment here.

We all know that the iPhone is GSM because GSM (through multiple frequency bands) is more common around the world. I just don't get why you had to link this article then say something somewhat unrelated that most people here already understand. The article deals more with exclusivity deals and locked phones than why the iPhone is GSM.

dca said:
If you search around the web you'll see reports how VZW and Sprint are all

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That's my fault, the link helps answer that exclusivity deals do not exist between carrier & manf or iPhone & AT&T...

The rest of the point is the same as stated, because GSM is the dominant player in the world market it would be foolish to release same phone under alternate tech if either a second manufacturer is req'd or patent cross-licensing deal needing to be signed for CDMA chipsets, etc, etc...

Transitioning from one technology to another isn't relative, the idea was as you said by 5g, all carriers will probably have converged on same platform leaving the only unresolved issue of what OS will it run thus starting a second set of wars a'la CDMA vs GSM...

It would be nice if phone manufacturers would just make CDMA and GSM versions of their devices for us to purchase unsubsidized. Then, the carriers forced to allow service to any unlocked device on their networks respectively with no contracts since they are not subsidizing the phone. Then they would have to give great support or we'd just take our phone to another carrier. It's win/win for both. The carrier doesn't have to support the device. That falls on the manufacturer. The device doesn't get hardware/software crippled by the carrier.

The phones would cost more, but would be what we wanted with the features we wanted. They would also have a higher resale value since they would all be unlocked to their respective technologies. (CDMA/G...
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agreed

I disagree with your premise that carriers do not care about you until your contract is up. Each quarter carriers measure a statistic called churn and it is a very important metric, because it is cheaper to keep a customer than to sign a new one up. This is why some carriers pay their reps the same money to upgrade an existing customer that they do to sign up a new customer. I do agree that one day wireless providers will no longer have to subsidize handsets (once the Democrats outlaw ETFs) I cannot wait for that day. Phones $200 and up because the vendors won't care what carrier activates your phone. They'll just want the money upfront.

I cannot wait until the entire world (except Sprint) rolls out LTE so that this arguement will go away. If Verizon (or Sprint) wanted to support a removable card then they certainly could. China Unicom has been operating both a GSM and CDMA networks and their phones operate on both using SIM and CSIM cards. (CSIM) is an application that runs on a removable smart card. Originally, a subset of the CSIM application ran on an R-UIM card. Recently, the application has been ported to the UICC (Universal Integrated Circuit Card), so that a card with CSIM, SIM, and USIM can operate with all cellular networks worldwide. Note that the CSIM acronym refers to 'identify' and not 'identity', unlike other 'SIM' acronyms for GSM networks. The CSIM applic...
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here's some links to some "refutable" sites that clearly show ATT/Apple's exclusive deal for five years.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at& ... »

ATT/Apple then restructured their agreement on the 3g iPhone - still exclusive, but no timeline was mentioned.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news ... »

I swear everytime I read VZW forum somebody has to mention that damn iPhone. If you want it that bad then switch to At&t.

well...then here's an idea:

DON'T READ THE POST and keep it movin.
Have a wonderful day! 😁

How about those fools that want the iPhone port to At&t...how 'bout that?!?! 😛

how come we dont see or read reports on vzw's network goin down, or some of vzws 3g phone not connecting, or certain phone (read: bold) being delayed forever because of 3g problems. didnt half the east coast go out with att not too long ago.

and besides multi touch, and the wow factor, and all the apps for it, the iphone is not that special.

I never posted that Verizon had a poor network. The Bold's issues are not AT&T's fault. AT&T has dozens of handsets made by a multitude of companies that work just fine on the 3G network. But that's not the point. His post stated that the iPhone was junk and that AT&T was charging more than Verzion. Both are ridiculous statements. As is yours about the apps for the iPhone being junk. There are plenty of useless apps there for most, I agree. Generally those are either free or in the .99 range.

But the app store is still only a few months old and does have hundreds of apps, especially games, that rival those of the DS and the PSP. I have both so I know what I'm talking about. How many of those GIN apps and games are worth a thin dime?

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evilhomer said:
The iPhone is a phenomenon and hard to find too much fault with unless you choose to nitpick it to death. It's not without flaws and not for everyone, but you have to admit it raised the bar and has sparked a much more interesting line of devices from other manufacturers in their efforts to keep up.

The way I see it, the reasons why people purchase the iPhone are as follows:
1) It is a fashion phone.
2) It is an enhanced iPod
3) It bears the Apple logo.
4) It has good features*.

The "good" features it has, where you can truly say it raised the bar are:

best touchscreen
good software (i.e. safari browser, youtube catalog, etc)
nice software catalog accessed from device (new)
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agreed

ok mr evilhomer i can no longer listen to the nonsense you are spouting....i just had an Iphone 3G..note that i said "had", now while i found the device to be physically well made the softeware was buggy to an infinite power...the reception was even worse...and the plan well it was costing a lil more than my friends verizon wireless blackberry...It is well known that Att's 3g network...while improving lil by lil is still quite sub par...now as far as wow factor the Iphone has it by the truck load thats true..but still is missing very basic things that you can get on a free phone (ie..mms..) and several features that should be available on a phone of this caliber..(ie..copy n paste..teathering..a camera w/a flash...etc)...Ok so while i agree ...
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The Storm is another phone that you haven't used. So how can you know it's better than the iPhone based on features. A lot of phones have some features that the iPhone doesn't but that still doesn't make them better. What about the Glyde? It's got MMS, cut and paste... oh... yeah... VZW pulled that because it was junk didn't they?

So you can't really say a phone is better based on features. Now, many who've actually USED the Storm, of which your are NOT, have reported a less than stellar build quality, issues with the touch screen, and a laggy OS. Will that be corrected before release? I guess we can all hope so. But is it guaranteed? I dunno...

I don't believe for one minute that you ever owned an iPhone. I don't believe that your p...
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Haha ok ..I have only seen good reviews as far as the touch screen was concerned...have heard of a laggy OS..which im sure will be corrected...and have only heard positives about the build quality...so stop being such a hater fanboy...As for the ownership of the Iphone...i could care less if you believe me..last i checked grown men dont need parents permission to go buy a cellphone..Now i cited things i liked about the Iphone...there was just much more to dislike once you really got into it.....now im sure it is fine for you..you know the guy that listens to a few songs watches a few videos and doesnt expect much more...but somebody who actually needs to conduct some business...which im sure isnt you...does need more..Stop with the praise of...
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Please stop feeding the egotistical trolls.

I agree that the iphone is a revolutionary phone, its flaws have a lot to do with AT&T, and the phone lacks some features it should really have for the price. However, I also agree that nobody can really comment on the almighty Storm until it's actually in the hands of everyday users...which it's not. Let the debate wane for a bit until there's something more to debate...

mlovesem said:
I agree that the iphone is a revolutionary phone, its flaws have a lot to do with AT&T, and the phone lacks some features it should really have for the price. However, I also agree that nobody can really comment on the almighty Storm until it's actually in the hands of everyday users...which it's not. Let the debate wane for a bit until there's something more to debate...

I agree with you but that's not going to happen. VZW fans have already anointed this device as handheld perfection and will name call and flame to to no end for expressing even the slightest concerns that it won't live up to the hype. They have already drank from the same Kool-Aid pitcher that they accuse the iPhone folks ...
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out of curiosity, why do you have a vzw aircard and not an att card to go with your iphone?

I think you'd already know the answer to that. It's no secret that the EVDO service with VZW is more widespread than AT&T's currently is. I will say that I have used AT&T's card here in the DFW area an it is faster than VZW's per dslreports.com. And yes, I am using Rev A card with VZW. AT&T is faster, VZW is more widespread. So take your choice based on your needs. If I didn't travel outside of the AT&T's 3g coverage, I'd take the AT&T card. But I do. So I take the slower but still effective VZW card.

If and when AT&T covers all of the areas that I need, I might switch for the faster. If VZW launched LTE or something similar that is faster, I'll go with that.

I do what best for me and my needs. I don't make my wireless decision needs...
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So...do you work for AT&T?

No. But I've repeatedly posted that before. I'm not exactly sure what about my posts makes you think I work for AT&T. I guess everyone here who like VZW works for them too. Seriously, that's what I think these boards are really made up of. VZW employees. Who else would take so much effort to sit and argue and bicker about every thing someone says negative about VZW and NOT be getting paid for it.

It is really sad if you are THAT defensive over a carrier that isn't paying your bills. 🤣

I use AT&T but if you say you don't like it for whatever reason, I don't give a chit. Why should I care? I just like to talk devices. Not about who's carrier has the biggest d1ck or the largest number of users sucking it.

I asked because you are so passionate in your defense of the Iphone.

evilhomer said:
What about the Glyde? ... VZW pulled that because it was junk didn't they?

I don't believe for one minute that you ever owned an iPhone. I don't believe that your parents would let you get one.

I think you guys tried that with that lame duck of an LG Dare, didn't you? Or was the Voyager the iPhone killer??? Maybe the Glyde...? Geez. VZW needs to figure out which device they are going to really declare the iPhone killer... 🙄
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That's pretty relevant there, big guy. We know the Glyde got pulled, but nobody is comparing it to the iPhone. It's a touchscreen, messaging handset, not a smartphone.
You're showing your own ignorance by comparing a regular touchscreen handset (Voyager

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evilhomer said:
What about the Glyde? ... VZW pulled that because it was junk didn't they?

I don't believe for one minute that you ever owned an iPhone. I don't believe that your parents would let you get one.

I think you guys tried that with that lame duck of an LG Dare, didn't you? Or was the Voyager the iPhone killer??? Maybe the Glyde...? Geez. VZW needs to figure out which device they are going to really declare the iPhone killer...
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That's pretty relevant there, big guy. We know the Glyde got pulled, but nobody is comparing it to the iPhone. It's a touchscreen, messaging handset, not a smartphone.
You're showing your own ignorance by comparing a regular touchscreen handset (Voyager, Dare, Glyde) to an iPhone....
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evilhomer said:
What about the Glyde? ... VZW pulled that because it was junk didn't they?

I don't believe for one minute that you ever owned an iPhone. I don't believe that your parents would let you get one.

I think you guys tried that with that lame duck of an LG Dare, didn't you? Or was the Voyager the iPhone killer??? Maybe the Glyde...? Geez. VZW needs to figure out which device they are going to really declare the iPhone killer...


That's pretty relevant there, big guy. We know the Glyde got pulled, but nobody is comparing it to the iPhone. It's a touchscreen, messaging handset, not a smartphone.
You're showing your own ignorance by comparing a regular touchscreen handset (Voyager, Dare, Glyde) to an iPhon...
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You are a troll but there is one grain of truth in your post..the Iphone most certainly has "raised the bar and has sparked a much more interesting line of devices from other manufacturers in their efforts to keep up." That in it self is something to be thankful for. I still think Verizon made the right decision in turning Apple down, but I doubt we would have seen the Storm now or maybe ever if AT&T did not have the Iphone exclusive. Thanks AT&T and Apple.

"You're a troll.... you're a troll..."

You're a broken f'king parrot.

My best friend has the iPhone 3G and is not too happy with it. He said the first iPhone was better and more solid. His iPhone 3G scratches easily and the 3G is not that fast.

Plus he had to buy a special apple data plan, it's part of the deal between AT&T and Apple.

I have played with the phone several times and I do not think it is worth all the hype. The phone looks great, but it is not for me.

Honestly, I think you are an idiot because you were so quick to be rude. So to hell with ya, Joe.

Well, I guess if YOUR best friend had it and didn't like it, or couldn't afford the data plan for it, then that's good enough for me! You really showed me up there. Man, if I'd the nearly 7mil iPhone owners out there had known YOUR friend wasn't going to like it, we all could have gotten us one of last years model blackberry's, with the missing wifi and stripped down GPS on the Big Red.

Please, by all means, post all of your best friends likes and dislikes so the rest of us will know what to do.

What I like most is that your aren't even talking from PERSONAL experience with the iPhone. What phone did your best friend tell you to buy??

Idiot.

you really are very rude...not everyone like the iphone...i didnt like the iphone...it did not meet all of my demands in a phone...now..ok...why would anyone on verizon care to much about wifi...they actually have 3g service everywhere unlike Att...and come on about the GPS u cant even get good turn by turn on the iphone

Your friend told you to say that didn't he? 🤣

why would my friend have to tell me something to say when i experienced it first hand

My apologies to you. I was actually responding to someone else.

evilhomer said:
My apologies to you. I was actually responding to someone else.

That's because YOU are the idiot...

CellStudent said:

evilhomer said:
My apologies to you. I was actually responding to someone else.

That's because YOU are the idiot...

I wasn't talking to you. Don't be a pu$$y and pick fights that aren't yours. I was being a man and apologizing for the posting error. You should try it sometime.

I think Verizon should still request that RIM include WI-Fi in the device. I know it will raise the price of the device slightly, but I think it would be worth having. Until the Rev A network covers the entire VZW network then yes let's have Wi-Fi. I think this idea that because the Broadband network covers blah blah blah percentage of the U.S. it doesn't need Wi-Fi is ludicrous. Put the Wi-Fi in it for goodness sake. They still have to have a data plan. The EV-DO network is NOT available overseas is it?

Go do us all a favor and play in traffic.

I guess now those who have a VZW account and plan on getting another are TROLLS? Of course, I'd have to care about what you said in the first place...

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

Another witness to the iPhone's so-so ness

Oh yeah. I guess another "I hate iPhone thread" in a the Verizon forum is all the proof anyone would need to make their case. You want links to the "I hate Verizon" threads I can find? Will that prove me right. Again, you prove yourself and idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear what kick ass device you went with on Verizon that isn't cheap, or buggy, or has a cheaper smartphone data plan than AT&T.

evilhomer said:
Oh yeah. I guess another "I hate iPhone thread" in a the Verizon forum is all the proof anyone would need to make their case. You want links to the "I hate Verizon" threads I can find? Will that prove me right. Again, you prove yourself and idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear what kick ass device you went with on Verizon that isn't cheap, or buggy, or has a cheaper smartphone data plan than AT&T.

Go drink cyanide and take a nice long nap...

Sounds stupid coming from a guy using ATnT wireless in his name. I guess Mama's Boy was taken???

evilhomer said:
Oh yeah. I guess another "I hate iPhone thread" in a the Verizon forum is all the proof anyone would need to make their case. You want links to the "I hate Verizon" threads I can find? Will that prove me right. Again, you prove yourself and idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear what kick ass device you went with on Verizon that isn't cheap, or buggy, or has a cheaper smartphone data plan than AT&T.

Cheaper data plans??? how much is a MB charge over there in paradise huh?

owned

IamTheGodfather said:

evilhomer said:
Oh yeah. I guess another "I hate iPhone thread" in a the Verizon forum is all the proof anyone would need to make their case. You want links to the "I hate Verizon" threads I can find? Will that prove me right. Again, you prove yourself and idiot. And I'm still waiting to hear what kick ass device you went with on Verizon that isn't cheap, or buggy, or has a cheaper smartphone data plan than AT&T.

Cheaper data plans??? how much is a MB charge over there in paradise huh?

owned

Owned? You don't even have the brain power to understand the question. He said that he left AT&T for Verizon because of cheaper data plans. I'm trying to ...
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evilhomer said:

The New ATnT Wireless said:
because it is a much better tool than a dildo... 🤣

If that were the case, I'd like you. You seem to be a better, if not BIGGER tool than any dildo.

Guess the internet was built for pu$$ys like you that can insult and tough talk in the safety of your mothers basement.

Good comeback! A++!