LMFAO!!!!

We have soccer hooligans, you have cell phone carrier hooligans!!!!!

Isn't it time for an ale yet?

Guess what buddy, I think you have your carriers mixed up. Have you read the most recent issue of Consumer Reports? Cingular is the one that can't keep their plans straight. They have local and national (like Verizon), then they start getting into their GSM network for over seas. Oh yeah those cool roll over minutes are only good for a year and poof their gone. Why are roll over minutes considered so good? It means you're paying too much for your plan. Verizon lets you change your plan whenever you want!


Cingular's plans are a rip off too! They say it's only $10 for an additional line, but you have to have the main line at a minnimum plan of $69.99. Verizons start at $49.99 and only $10 for any lines above the first. They ha...
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VerizonRox said:
Guess what buddy, I think you have your carriers mixed up. Have you read the most recent issue of Consumer Reports? Cingular is the one that can't keep their plans straight. They have local and national (like Verizon), then they start getting into their GSM network for over seas. Oh yeah those cool roll over minutes are only good for a year and poof their gone. Why are roll over minutes considered so good? It means you're paying too much for your plan. Verizon lets you change your plan whenever you want!


Cingular's plans are a rip off too! They say it's only $10 for an additional line, but you have to have the main line at a minnimum plan of $69.99. Verizons start at $49.99 and only $10 fo

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First of all, I'd just like to say that KingFrog speaks for himself, and most of the time its out of his ass.

With that said, I don't think that gives any reason for you to make false statements (or maybe you just are misinformed) about Cingular. Many consumers looking for accurate and helpful information can be easily mislead and find themselves stuck in unfortunate situations over a bad decision based on what they read here.

Rollover minutes never expire. The minutes are banked on a "rolling" basis. Your minutes for the most recent twelve months rollover with you. So in the 13th month, your first month's minutes disappear and are replaced with your 13th month's minutes. You will always have 12 months of minutes rolling ov...
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Here's the deal, where I live Cingular charges a nominal $240 early termination fee. And, AT&T had so many people complaining about the buy out that they actually lowered theirs to only $50!!

Oh yeah on this site, the RAZR got 3.65 out of 5 and the LGVX 8000 got 4.54 out of 5.

When you stack them plan for plan, all in all Verizon is a better deal. They have better coverage and give you more options for FREE instead of charging you extra every month. I work at Radio Shack in PA (an area where Cingular "excels") and i get complaints everyday about how upset people are with Cingular (and other carriers). Cingular isn't the worst, but they're not nearly as good as what everyone (KingFrog) says. ANY report done on cell phone carriers w...
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First of all, this post is just screaming LIES to me. If you work in PA I'm assuming you also live in PA. So do I. Its funny that you claim that Cingular charges a $240 ETF where you live, because no market in PA charges a $240 ETF. It was and still is $150 per line in the entire state.

The RAZR's rating is based off of 64 reviews and has been on the market for a few months now. The VX8000's rating is based off of only 27 reviews and has been released nationwide for only a few weeks. Let all the bugs work their way to the surface and then we'll compare the ratings from Phonescoop. I used CNET's ratings because they conduct standardized tests and grade on consistent aspects of every phone.

OK here's what i want you to do.....
1) go to www.cingular.com
2) mouse over "shop Cingular" and click on "Rate Plans.
3) enter in one or all of these zip codes: 17405-york, 17036-harrisburg, and 16801-state college.
4) Now scroll the whole way down to the bottom of the screen and click on "plan terms"
5) The beginning of the second section reads, "Terms Applicable to Cingular Region Plans
GSM phone required. Wireless service is subject to credit approval. Unless terminated in the first 15 days of service, early termination fee of 🙄 $240 🙄 prorated over the length of the service agreement applies. Minutes will be depleted according to usage in the following order: night and weekend minutes, mobile to mobile minutes, and any...
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Terms Applicable to Cingular Region GSM Plans:
Wireless service is subject to credit approval. An early termination fee of $240 prorated over the length of the service agreement applies to subscriptions in the following states: AL, FL, GA, KY, LA, MS, NC, SC, TN, NY and parts of IN and NJ. A non-prorated $150 early termination fee applies in all other areas. If phone is returned within 3 days, activation fee will be refunded. If phone is returned within 30 days in like-new condition with all components, early termination fee will be waived. All other charges apply. Minutes will be depleted according to usage in the following order: night and weekend minutes, mobile to mobile minutes and anytime minutes.

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CARE Markets... We charge a $240 ETF in CARE Markets in PA. $150 is in Telegence, the majority of markets in PA are telegence except for two I believe... You're both right.

actually....CARE markets charge 150 early termination, the only area in the NE region we charge 240 pro-rated is NYC

One thing I do agree with is that Verizon's plans are better than Cingular's. However, three days ago I wouldn't have agreed with your statement. Cingular JUST changed their prices and I have to say, they suck. But for the past few years Verizon's prices were ridiculously high. I'm glad somebody like Cingular finally put enough pressure on Verizon to lower their plans, it just is dissapointing that Cingular is gaining some of the arrogance that Verizon once had with their pricing.

verizon is for the educated customer and cingle air is not ( half of your customers do not even know the correct name) i just stop working for cingular and i have to correct your ignorance. the rollover minutes do expire. as far as the termination fee it depends if you are using tdma or gsm. this was an at&t program were you are actually buying out your contract at $20 per month times 12 = 240 you wont do that if you just started you contract. you get priced acording to how much time you have left.

What a dumb thing to say. So I guess I am not educated. The reason I am with Cingular (should I mention that I had Verizon) is because it works best for me in all of the aspects that I need it to. You sound and wrote very ignorantly in your post.

Where is the GSM network in Oregon? Forget about buffalo, they don't use phones. Truck drivers do and GSM coverage is poor or non-existent in most of the West on the US highways that truck drivers use.
Where I live T-Mobile has 1 token cell site for an area of about 60,000 people. RCC is switching to GSM which will be kind of ugly if it is anything like the ATTWS switch to GSM.

We know what rollover is, a way to bump customers up to the next higher price plan. Other carriers have tried rollover minutes and eliminated them due to billing issues.

Yes Verizon is subject to market pressures like Cingular and every other carrier is. What you brag about today will be in the rear view mirror tomorrow.

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YOu are wrong about GSM being non existant on MOST highways in the west. I travel most highways in the west enroute to MOntana, Missouri, Phoenix , Cali, Denver...and I have not had any issues with my GSM service.

I have also stopped in many truck stops and spoke to truckers with both carriers VErizon and Cingular. Both have issues in various places with VErizon being slightly better in more rural areas. However its not the slam dunk the rearview mirror drivers of VErizon would have the world think.

Come to Central Oregon and say the same. After you borrow that other guy's USCC or Verizon phone to call for help maybe you can go to an Interstate near a large city where your phone might work.

First of all, I live in Oregon. Verizon doesn't even have any liscences in Oregon except on the I-5 corridor and the coast from Eugene up to the Washington border. Verizon doesn't operate out of Central Oregon at all; they work off of roaming agreements with USCC, whose network is subpar compared to Verizon's native coverage. Unicel (RCC) already HAS rolled out GSM, so there is GSM coverage on Highway 20 all the way out to Burns, and on Highway 97 all the way from Bend south to Klamath Falls. The next phase of the GSM rollout will cover the SE corner of the state, and then that will be virtually the only digital coverage in many areas, period. To be honest, I hate to defend Cingular because I can't stand them, but you don't seem to have...
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just out of curiosity, why is Oregon so far behind the rest of the country in cellphone coverage?

It's not, really. It's just that there is a lot of forest/high desert where there are very few people. 90% of people in this state live in about the western third geographically, and there's lots of coverage there.

T-Mobile has a great network in Bend.

Verizon has had a 10MHZ license in the Medford, Coos Bay, Klamath Falls and Roseburg BTA's for a long time. They just acquired a new 10MHZ in Klamath Falls on Feb 15 auction.
In addition they bought Qwest's licenses which gives them additional spectrum in these markets. If you check in EROES you can now populate Bend and Klamath Falls numbers.

The soft launch for Verizon in our market is May, the official launch is June. We can't wait because USCC is not really well thought of here and if there were a credible alternative in coverage and price many would port out.
We have customers who drive to Eugene and Redding to get Verizon phones. We also get 5-10 requests per day for Verizon.

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Well, all this must still be news to my Verizon rep, because I actually called him yesterday to check on the availability in Klamath Falls and some of the other places you mentioned. He was aware of the licenses, but he didn't think that I could assign numbers from those areas yet. Also, my brother and sister-in-law that I mentioned before moved from Houston, and Verizon credited their ETF's when they moved to Bend. This was only a couple of weeks ago. Where are you located, exactly?

SPCSVZWJeff said:
Cingular customers will have coverage in all of Central and Eastern Oregon sometime this year, already RCC has active GSM towers in the Bend area, but they have footprint issues and capacity issues with their TDMA network.
Of course this information comes from our USCC rep who lives in Bend.

Ohhhh. You have a US Cellular rep that gives you all the inside scoop on the inner workings of Cingular and their roaming agreements. 🤣
🤣 🤣
At least we know why your information is always whacky. Do you get your Nextel info from Vodaphone?

I have said Verizon is great where the buffalo roam...BUt most people dont go there.

I have also stopped in many truck stops and spoke to truckers with both carriers VErizon and Cingular.

If you expect us to believe that...

Haven't you ever seen the little pimple faced kids at truckstops with their Cellular Survey in hand??? Hahaha KingFrog is an unemployed trucker! 🤣

muchdrama said:

I have also stopped in many truck stops and spoke to truckers with both carriers VErizon and Cingular.

If you expect us to believe that...

Well....
If even half of what Jeff says is true, then we can believe froggy, too.

PhoenixAshes said:

muchdrama said:

I have also stopped in many truck stops and spoke to truckers with both carriers VErizon and Cingular.

If you expect us to believe that...

Well....
If even half of what Jeff says is true, then we can believe froggy, too.

Jeff is INFINITELY more informed than Froggy (great nickname), but for the love of spam...running up to truckers at truckstops and surveying them about their cell phone service? He'd have been shot by now.

I wouldn't doubt it. He obviously has some unhealthy obsession with his Cingular service.

Kinda creepy. 😕

Cingular has no answer to EV-DO? Please! By the time VZW has EVDO fully deployed, Cingy will be launching UMTS/HSDPA. HSDPA is measuring data speeds im Mb/s, not kb/s. Successful tests in Atlanta show this to be a reality. Deployment to begin end '05, completed nationwide end '06 or sooner. Add the deployment of UMTS which will nearly double network capacity. Cingular has no answer? Where's your rock?

I meant no answer that can be used today. Verizon seems to be alone in high speed networks at this time. We can all talk of future networks but there is only one running on this date.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
We know what rollover is, a way to bump customers up to the next higher price plan. Other carriers have tried rollover minutes and eliminated them due to billing issues.

Uhhh... please tell us which other carriers have tried Rollover. Not Sprint. Not Verizon. Not Tmobile, ATT, or Nextel. Zero. Nada. No one has it. Which one? Billing problems? Cingular manages the rollover just fine.

Network is everything, Cingular has no answer to EVDO and by the time they do nationwide Verizon will probably be on to EVDV or even Wimax.

De plane boss De plane...
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EV DV isn't dead but merely on the back burner since EV DO Rev A has been released. I think Andy Seybold puts it best when he says that Data and voice shouldn't share the same channel. EV DV could still make a comeback but will likely be eliminated with EV DO Rev A if it does it would be introduced in 2006-2007. The sad thing for Cingular is that in this leapfrog war of Data Verizon is winning. If Verizon has true nationwide EV DO before HSDPA (not hspda) By the time that HSDPA is nationwide Verizon and Sprint PCS will likely be employing true 4G networks. The last thing to remember is that Data must be profitable and Cingular is already raising prices and getting ready to layoff 6 to 7 thousand people so that they can pay the bills. N...
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Cingular is not losing money, I believe that any layoffs that will occur will be consistent with a merger/buyout.

I also believe it would be a little irresponsible on both Verizon and Cingular's part to cut prices to meet the discounters. T-Mobile rolls out coverage and buys new spectrum much more slowly than the other major carriers do. Partly because they collect less revenue from their customers.
There is too much network to build to serve more people and too many new features that must be paid for.

I am definitely not a Cingular fan, but credit goes where credit is due.

They posted a loss of in the 4th quarter of last year according to Wirelessweek's report on the web in the end of January.

What's the dEal with cApitalizing every fIrst vOwel in yOur wOrds?

pizpiz80 said:

VZWagent said:
I dont undrstand people like you, creating this huge fantasy fight world between carriers. get a life.

🤣 so true. I second this opinion.

I'll third that.

I'm really getting sick of posters talking trash without a leg to stand on and little, if any, useful information. KingFrog, talk crazy someplace else - we're all filled up here.

~Steve

P.S.- Isn't it funny how these type posts spark some of the longest threads...

I'll bet there is so much animosity that whenever they are around each other the CEO's of bith companies play a very heated game of golf.

kingfrog77 said:
>>dont undrstand people like you, creating this huge fantasy fight world between carriers. get a life.

I'm glad you agree Kermit.

Actually you prove my point.....Verizon fan boys are in such and have been in a fantasy world regarding the lack of competition that they cannt see the REALITY of real competition as it is.

Cingular is not fantasy.....As i predicted a year ago to ridicule and denial, Verizon is going to be playing catch up real soon...if not already. Evrery time they impliment something to compete better it costs them on the bottom line. Something they are not used to.

This is not fantasy...but keep believing it so.....then my reality will come to pass for sure

Ohhhh, goal was deflected at the last second by the keeper... And there's a red card on the field for talking ****e to the referee.

kingfrog77 said:
...my reality will come to pass for sure

See that just it - your "reality" and the rest of the world's reality are much different. 😉

We shall see....

Can it! Verizon and Cingular both offer great service. Pick which one you like and sign up. I have been a loyal Verizon customer for years. They have been good to me, so I will be good to them. Just a side note, my Cingular rep is always telling me a good selling point to Cingular is that 1 out of every 3 cell phone users have Cingular/ATT. Then would it not be true (being that Verizon has 42-43 million customers) that 1 out of every 3 cell phone users have Verizon?

Love,
Big Mac

P.S. My question is a serious one!

Very true my friend, a selling point i began to use when unlimited IN was introduced.

With the consolidation of the wireless industry there will be only 4 national carriers soon and a bunch of niche carriers like Metro PCS and Cricket.
Which carrier is largest could change every few years. Larger doesn't always equal better. Both Verizon and Cingular have good offerings. But so do Sprint, T-Mobile and Nextel.
The point is that the quality of the carrier is in the mind of the customer who uses the service.
Ford men are Ford men and Chevy men are Chevy men. And some prefer Volvos.
When the wireless industry becomes a mature industry like the automotive industry is things will be much different.

And some prefer Volvos.

Yeah, souless yuppies.

Umm... then why did Cingular implement Take Charge AFTER Verizon implemented Minute Packs?

"I'll see your $20, and raise you a dead horse."

Please go to Wirelessweek.com and RCRNews.com and educate yourself on the wireless industry. You are basing what you say on one non profitable quarter and Cingular only added around 60,000 more customers than Verizon. As stated time will tell but why would anyone leave a company that has great network quality for a company that is trying to make to poorly rated networks work together??? The last time I was out in the woods I saw two piles of Deer crap and realized something. By combining the two I would have a huge pile of crap that was bigger than the smaller two but still a pile of crap.
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I agree BigDaddyJay! Also he should check-out the article in Mobile PC this month...as Muchdrama has said "just because a wireless company has more customer's doesn't mean it has MORE COVERAGE"!! As I've traveled across the U.S. I see more people using Verizon phones than any other carrier. I have also tried GSM through Cingular and T-Mobile, and received the best signal, coverage and voice quality through Verizon. When I tried GSM I hated the fact it did not have background noise cancellation, so people on the other end could not understand your conversation with all the background noise the GSM handset's picked up as well as the static. Also I have heard people complain about Verizon not having cool phones...well a phone with all the ...
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kingfrog77 said:
You have no clue.Im not employed by Cingular. Just a customer who researched BOTH companies and after seeing though the VErizon HYpe chose Cingular as the company of the future.......Sorry to burst your bubble. IF people do the research they will select Cingular today...on price, features and performance.

performance? oh I'm guessing you're talking about slow ass EDGE? I'm glad you didn't write EDGE and preformance in the same sentence. thanks.

Verizon hype? a company doesn't get "hype" for no good reason, moron. "well gee I heard Verizon Wireless has awesome reception" ..."uuuh no that's just a huge nationwide rumor" ...is that how it goes? ahahah..

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85percent said:

kingfrog77 said:
You have no clue.Im not employed by Cingular. Just a customer who researched BOTH companies and after seeing though the VErizon HYpe chose Cingular as the company of the future.......Sorry to burst your bubble. IF people do the research they will select Cingular today...on price, features and performance.

performance? oh I'm guessing you're talking about slow ass EDGE? I'm glad you didn't write EDGE and preformance in the same sentence. thanks.

Verizon hype? a company doesn't get "hype" for no good reason, moron. "well gee I heard Verizon Wireless has awesome reception" ..."uuuh no that's just a huge nationwide rumor" ...is that how i

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PhoenixAshes said:

85percent said:

kingfrog77 said:
You have no clue.Im not employed by Cingular. Just a customer who researched BOTH companies and after seeing though the VErizon HYpe chose Cingular as the company of the future.......Sorry to burst your bubble. IF people do the research they will select Cingular today...on price, features and performance.

performance? oh I'm guessing you're talking about slow ass EDGE? I'm glad you didn't write EDGE and preformance in the same sentence. thanks.

Verizon hype? a company doesn't get "hype" for no good reason, moron. "well gee I heard Verizon Wireless has awesome reception" ..."uuuh no that's just a

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85percent said:

PhoenixAshes said:

85percent said:

kingfrog77 said:
You have no clue.Im not employed by Cingular. Just a customer who researched BOTH companies and after seeing though the VErizon HYpe chose Cingular as the company of the future.......Sorry to burst your bubble. IF people do the research they will select Cingular today...on price, features and performance.

performance? oh I'm guessing you're talking about slow ass EDGE? I'm glad you didn't write EDGE and preformance in the same sentence. thanks.

Verizon hype? a company doesn't get "hype" for no good reason, moron. "well gee I heard Verizon Wireless has awesome r

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EV-DO is available in over 30 cities and a few major airports.

Although not as widespread as EDGE, still a considerable amount. You have to realize the Verizon has only had EV-DO deployed for around 6 months now.

kingfrog77 said:
Im not employed by Cingular. Just a customer who researched BOTH companies and after seeing though the VErizon HYpe chose Cingular as the company of the future.......Sorry to burst your bubble. IF people do the research they will select Cingular today...on price, features and performance.

That's odd... I'm just a customer also, and I too researched both companies (plus several others) before choosing... Verizon.

Funny how two careful customers (you and I) could come to such differrent conclusions. Ah well. 🙂

Thats right.....your guessing. I do not use the internet much on the phone.BUt the rates are reasonable if and when i do and the speed is good enough.

I did the research and the best research is not read. It is personal experience. I have had personal experience with V Reps in four different cites. 3 out of 4 were arrogant take it or leave it attitudes....And this was a year ago before the Cingular merger. The other personal experience was in Atlantic City where a co woker and i were for a couple months. She had to but a rent a phone because her Verizon service was too unreliable...also in Vegas. She has since switched. My brother and his family had VErizon as well but have since switched to Cingular after seeing my plan, phone and pric...
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In network is on All over Verizon owned network which is shown on ONE map anything in the red or pink on this map



http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/coveragemap ... »

Which is less than Verizons total coverage area as advertised

How so thats the only map VZW uses

It is exactly equal to verizon's total coverage area. what are you looking at?

kingfrog77 said:
Which is less than Verizons total coverage area as advertised

Really? how so? we have one very large RED digital coverage map that is used for regular anytime minutes and IN-Network minutes, does that honestly confuse you?

I think you're mistake, Cingular and AT&T are the ones with two or three completely different coverage maps.

VerizonRox said:
I think you're mistake, Cingular and AT&T are the ones with two or three completely different coverage maps.

We have one nation wide map. It covers both data and voice.
We have a separate data map, but it's only to show what data technologies are available in certain areas.
Verizon just recently consolidated all of their maps to match what Cingular was advertising.
When I worked for Verizon, they had one map for One nation plan, another map for another nation plan, a data map, and a mobile to mobile map.
One Cingular map shows voice, data, and m2m coverage.
Verizon still has two maps- voice/m2m and data.

EXactly...Verizon is playing catch up.... in every area of competition. Now they HAVE to have a single map IN Network with ALL Verizaon users....ROAMING to go next? nahhhhh......Wonder how much revenue will be lost there......They will make it up on the crippled BT data transfers..LOL Unless the lawsuit is succesful.

Its fun to watch VErizon give up more amd more revenue to stay competitive ..Im guessing its not ALL about the coverage anymore, or JD Powers, or Consumers Reports, or their OWN network testers caliming they have the best network.....

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If Verizon is playing catch up then why are they posting profits??? Cingular is loosing money and Paid 41 billion for the nations crappiest big 6 cell company. Oh and the spectrum answer is getting old, face it Ed Whitacre was crying at night because his precious Cingular couldn't grow so he bought 21 million customers so he could say that Cingular was number 1!!!!!!! Yay yay yay, I will die laughing when they start trending back down with churn when customers realize that Raising the bar is a load of crap. Everyone I know with Cingular here in Chicago say that nothing has changed and the service still stinks, I was in Branson last weekend and Verizon worked great, as a matter of fact my wife was on a business call from Springfield Mo to...
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Everyone you know with Cingular is unhappy LOL Now thats funny ..how many you know with Cingular?

Everyone I knew that had Verizon is now with T MObile or Cingular....lol

And BTW you had better get signal in Branson a travel destination, although you cannot buy Verizon service in Branson. Atlantic City is crap for Verizon though.

One of my best friends sells SBC service in the greater Chicagoland area and uses a Verizon phone for personal use because Cingular is crap in the Windy City but hey I must be wrong just like Channel 2 news, JD Power, and Consumer reports. I used the extended network in Flippin and Yellville AR and it worked pretty well and the only attraction there is Ranger Bass Boats.

JD Power is OLD news (T mobile owns that mantle) another example of you guys driving forward looking through the rear view mirror.

Channel 2 news? NOW THERS A RELIABLE source to make purchase chioces. LOL
CAnt speak for CR....Dont know anyone who subscribes or buys based their recommendations.

Hey, how often do truckers actually shower? The funny thing is that Verizon's Churn is still much lower than Cingular so I guess the customers are speaking as well.

kingfrog77 said:
CAnt speak for CR....Dont know anyone who subscribes or buys based their recommendations.

Really? Then you need to get out more. I know several ppl who listen to what Consumer Reports has to say. I've also overheard CR being used in VZW sales pitches... effectively. 🙂

BetterThanJake said:

kingfrog77 said:
CAnt speak for CR....Dont know anyone who subscribes or buys based their recommendations.

Really? Then you need to get out more. I know several ppl who listen to what Consumer Reports has to say. I've also overheard CR being used in VZW sales pitches... effectively. 🙂

Because, you know, Consumer Reports is read by millions of subscribers, but NObody uses it in their purchases.

Perhaps VErizon exec sends CR exec nice stipend as well. Would not be the first time BUsiness was not completely squeeky clean.

I would not be surprised. Read some history on CR. LOL

kingfrog77 said:
Perhaps VErizon exec sends CR exec nice stipend as well. Would not be the first time BUsiness was not completely squeeky clean.

I would not be surprised. Read some history on CR. LOL

That confirms it. You're a tool.

As much as it pains me to agree in any way with our friend here, I will say that Consumer Reports can be a little annoying. The people that review for that publication are not experts in the product or field that they are reporting, and as such have a hard time being truly well-informed about what they are reviewing. In my personal experience, I have found that my expert knowledge in wireless phones and digital cameras is at odds with what they say. It's really annoying when somebody comes in clutching their copy of CR and says, "do you have this one?", when you know for a fact that is a sub-par product, or it has long been discontinued. Of course, these are the people that worship at the altar of Consumer Reports, and so if you contradi...
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JDigital said:
As much as it pains me to agree in any way with our friend here, I will say that Consumer Reports can be a little annoying. The people that review for that publication are not experts in the product or field that they are reporting, and as such have a hard time being truly well-informed about what they are reviewing. In my personal experience, I have found that my expert knowledge in wireless phones and digital cameras is at odds with what they say. It's really annoying when somebody comes in clutching their copy of CR and says, "do you have this one?", when you know for a fact that is a sub-par product, or it has long been discontinued. Of course, these are the people that worship at the altar of Consu

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I wasn't just talking about phones... although a year or so ago somebody came in with an older copy, pointing to the favorable rating for one of the Motorola t72x models, which at the time I was specifically refusing to carry. It's generally worse with digital cameras, I have found.

kingfrog77 said:
JD Power is OLD news (T mobile owns that mantle) another example of you guys driving forward looking through the rear view mirror..

this is the first year we've been out-ranked with customer service by T-Mobile (in which we ranked 2nd). So this would be their first year being #1. explain how they own that mantle??

Channel 2 news? NOW THERS A RELIABLE source to make purchase chioces. LOL
CAnt speak for CR....Dont know anyone who subscribes or buys based their recommendations.

Yea like anyone has ever heard of that tiny little Consumer Reports magazine. 🤣

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Some sales reps in Eugene/Springfield, OR for ATTWS/Cingular have LGVX4400 and VX6000's on their hip. The reason? ATTWS/Cingular doesn't work where they live.
One friend who works for ATTWS Cingular just signed up for Verizon because his company phone did not work in his apartment near the University of Oregon.

SPCSVZWJeff said:
Some sales reps in Eugene/Springfield, OR for ATTWS/Cingular have LGVX4400 and VX6000's on their hip. The reason? ATTWS/Cingular doesn't work where they live.
One friend who works for ATTWS Cingular just signed up for Verizon because his company phone did not work in his apartment near the University of Oregon.

It's funny you have met all of these people that either work for cingular or have used cingular and you were the only salesman in town who could get them to the right company. 🤣
Yeah, I had a friend who worked for Verizon and he had to have a Cingular phone in Houston. Another friend worked for in Wichita Kansas and had to have AT&T Wireless.
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YOu Verizon fan boys are like an Amish guy in Circuit City......no clue

Cingular is looking for the individual who left there kingfrog77 panties in there restroom.

Kingfrog dont wear panties. He says he wears a frilly lace thong he bought from the Victoria's Secret catalog, lol.

what is the big deal?? they are cell phone company's, and you all are fighting like it's the end of the world,,! Obviously both have ups and downs, so in the end they are probably equal,,get a grip, people! 🙄