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"It's the Network" . . . Hmmm...Not so much anymore guys...

sdgmcdon

Jul 7, 2008, 10:55 PM
I'm about to jump ship from Verizon to Sprint for ONE REASON - COST.

Years ago when cell phone useage was just exploding, some networks had really crappy coverage, others had great coverage (started off Sprint was better than Verizon took hold of the better coverage reigns) and all networks could charge an arm and a leg for minutes, coverage was really important for a lot of people and even if coverage wasn't a huge issue for folks because costs were similar across the board (a plan for every budget with most providers basically) the other thing people wanted was good customer service. The economy was strong, people could afford a bit more for better coverage and better customer service.

Verizon became and is King...

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cwcanty

Jul 7, 2008, 11:02 PM
Listen, everyone in here knows that verizon is not the cheapest, but their prices are on par with ATT who is their chief rival in terms of coverage and market penetration.

I dont think anyone in here needs a price lesson or an update on the housing market or rising oil costs. WE ALL KNOW.

If you want to leave to save money...just go. You don't to announce it to the whole phonescoop world. We don't care, none of us are loosing sleep knowing that you ported to an inferior carrier. Just take your money and go.

And verizon doesn't want to be the cheapest carrier. Look where sprint is right now? They are in huge financial trouble and now they have to give away the farm just to attract customers. They have a failing business model ...
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phonefan1

Jul 7, 2008, 11:05 PM
I was thinking the same thing...but could not think how to put it that nicely! ๐Ÿ˜
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cwcanty

Jul 7, 2008, 11:07 PM
thats why they keep me around, lol

Chris
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sdgmcdon

Jul 7, 2008, 11:13 PM
I posted about a roaming question...The "Sprint Sucks" crowd chimed in and turned that question into that.

I also posted a cancellation fee question which luckily didn't turn into that, at least not in a big way but a sprint sucks person did manage to chime in anyway even though I specifically asked those replying not to chime in the Sprint sucks responses.

Lastly I figured what the heck, get a discussion going about pricing in relation to the economy, etc, see what people have to say about it which would only make sense that I put my two cents in to start.

And here I get a VZW police telling me quite literally to quietly go away?

Wow...
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cwcanty

Jul 7, 2008, 11:25 PM
These post just serve no purpose but to start flame wars....just port and move on man.
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sdgmcdon

Jul 7, 2008, 11:34 PM
Actually these forums serve as an outlet, source and exchange of information for those interested in the topic at hand. They are also I'm quite sure reviewed regularly by the companies the forum thread is related to. So if those companies monitor these threads, which they do, and come across threads continually mentioning people leaving or considering leaving because of the high cost of their services, economic reasons etc the chances of said companies making improvements within their companies increases.

As a consumer that believes in and supports a competitive market place is LITERALLY IS my duty (if I care about the company or subject at hand) to voice my opinion, kudos or complaints in a forum such as this.

If you prefer no compet...
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cwcanty

Jul 7, 2008, 11:52 PM
Oh I have the right my friend, but you have the right continue to right the exact same posts that has been posted several times over the past few days. Congrats on performing your civic duty.

I just dont see the point in these posts, all they do is cause flame wars and the last thing this forum needs is more flame wars.

And if you're so happy with sprint, go to the sprint forum and share you stories, im sure they would love to hear all about it. They could prolly use some cheering up over there.
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 12:07 AM
Flame wars? Wonder whos starting those...hmm
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phonefan1

Jul 8, 2008, 8:21 AM
Let me see if this makes sense to you. You come into the Verizon forum and make repeated post about how you are going to Sprint and that Verizon is too expensive. Ok- that's cool we get it. Where the problem comes in is that while you are offended when someone does not "respect" your opinion, you get upset. Basically, you are doing the same thing. So, if you can't afford your phone bill or mortgage, we get it too, times are tough. Go to a carrier that will work for you. No problem there.
But if you want the true decision makers at VZW to pay attention, I would not waste my time here. They have options for customer to voice their concerns directly to them where they can actually do some good. Yes, I am sure the legal team keeps an ey...
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maverick96

Jul 8, 2008, 9:40 AM
phonefan1 said:
Let me see if this makes sense to you. You come into the Verizon forum and make repeated post about how you are going to Sprint and that Verizon is too expensive. Ok- that's cool we get it. Where the problem comes in is that while you are offended when someone does not "respect" your opinion, you get upset. Basically, you are doing the same thing. So, if you can't afford your phone bill or mortgage, we get it too, times are tough. Go to a carrier that will work for you. No problem there.
But if you want the true decision makers at VZW to pay attention, I would not waste my time here. They have options for customer to voice their concerns directly to them where they can actually do some good. Yes,
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 11:26 AM
First off, actually I did not get upset, I'm simply responding to those that are upset with me, as I am responding to you.

Second, who says I haven't sent a feedback communications to VZW about their pricing?

Third, if you truly think that there is no one at VZW looking at these posts for customer satisfaction information you are dead wrong. This and forums like this are a GOLD MINE for them in terms of seeing what customers are saying, thinking etc about their services.

You don't like me saying what I'm saying? Too bad...get over it.
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Cellenator

Jul 8, 2008, 11:28 AM
The time it took you to write that response another 100 sprint customers just ported to Verizon! ๐Ÿคฃ
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phonefan1

Jul 8, 2008, 11:42 AM
sdgmcdon said:


You don't like me saying what I'm saying? Too bad...get over it.


Wow ...that was quite a zinger! No need to get all nasty.

I never said I did not like you saying what you said, I simply said I disagreed with your logic.
I am sure you will do well at Sprint! From reading your post, it will be a perfect fit and you will get what you deserve from your service provider.

Peace
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MissSLM07

Jul 8, 2008, 12:50 PM
I love it! @ sdgmcdon ๐Ÿ˜‰
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AvgJoe

Jul 9, 2008, 6:13 PM
sdgmcdon said:
Actually these forums serve as an outlet, source and exchange of information for those interested in the topic at hand. They are also I'm quite sure reviewed regularly by the companies the forum thread is related to. So if those companies monitor these threads, which they do, and come across threads continually mentioning people leaving or considering leaving because of the high cost of their services, economic reasons etc the chances of said companies making improvements within their companies increases.

As a consumer that believes in and supports a competitive market place is LITERALLY IS my duty (if I care about the company or subject at hand) to voice my opinion, kudos or complaints in a forum such a
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mycool

Jul 8, 2008, 9:36 PM
sdgmcdon said:
I posted about a roaming question...The "Sprint Sucks" crowd chimed in and turned that question into that.


The problem is that Trolls make fake posts to incite riots within the forums. It's best to ignore the trolls and the people retalliating against them. I did notice that you at least read my post in the roaming question thread, but you are right that the post got hijacked.

But, it doesn't help your case to post about you porting out. It just adds fuel to the fire, as the post has no point. Posts about cancellation fees and roaming questions are fine because they provide information, but posts like this are the reason why people post stuff like "Sprint sucks" in response to your othe...
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AvgJoe

Jul 9, 2008, 6:11 PM
sdgmcdon said:
I posted about a roaming question...The "Sprint Sucks" crowd chimed in and turned that question into that.

I also posted a cancellation fee question which luckily didn't turn into that, at least not in a big way but a sprint sucks person did manage to chime in anyway even though I specifically asked those replying not to chime in the Sprint sucks responses.

Lastly I figured what the heck, get a discussion going about pricing in relation to the economy, etc, see what people have to say about it which would only make sense that I put my two cents in to start.

And here I get a VZW police telling me quite literally to quietly go away?

Wow...

Get used to it CWANTY is VErizon biggest de...
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MissSLM07

Jul 8, 2008, 12:47 PM
Ooooh CWcanty he was just stating his reasons why he is choosing to leave and he made some valid points about our economy...back off! If you want to complain about something then complain about the retarded fanboys that like to go to every forum and bash! ๐Ÿคจ
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cwcanty

Jul 8, 2008, 1:07 PM
my issue is more with the fact that several people have posted this exact same post in the past few days.

I dont need to hear every other day about someone leaving. Just go, and start posting in your new carriers forum.

stop clogging up this forum with the same stupid price comparissons. Everyone in here knows that sprint is cheaper, and if we wanted to leave, we would.

Chris
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 8:40 PM
Chris, here's the deal...you may read pretty much everything in this forum, a lot of people probably don't. Hence, a lot of people POSTING don't know if someone has already said the exact same thing because they don't have time to read the entire forum as you apparently do.

Even if someone DOES know the exact same thing has already been said, another post on the topic is simply viewed as another "vote" for lack of a better word on the subject. For me personally, I'm not bashing Verizon, I truly hope that with enough people voicing this concern on pricing Verizon will react and do something about it. If no one said anything about it Verizon wouldn't know it's an issue.

You don't like reading about it? Then don't read it....read the oth...
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cwcanty

Jul 8, 2008, 9:11 PM
I respect the right to post your opinions on an online forum, but in my 4 years or so on this forum, I've never read of these "im leaving posts" that really seemed to be worth while.

I understand you are just sharing your views, and quite frankly, you have the right to do so. I guess personally i just dont see the point in writing a long post about why you're leaving. Like I said before, people in this forum are reasonably knowledgeable and don't need a listen on price and the economy.

It's just the same old tired post threating to leave, or actually leaving. Next time, I'll take your advice and just scroll down to the next post.
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 9:30 PM
I think you have a problem similar to my own that my wife yells at me for all the time...I have this need, this REQUIREMENT to understand things that don't make sense to me when the average more rational person just says "I don't get it, oh well" and moves on, I demand to gain an understanding, to make sense of it (or of course to make the other person understand why it doesn't make sense).

...It happens.
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AvgJoe

Jul 9, 2008, 6:08 PM
cwcanty said:
Listen, everyone in here knows that verizon is not the cheapest, but their prices are on par with ATT who is their chief rival in terms of coverage and market penetration.

I dont think anyone in here needs a price lesson or an update on the housing market or rising oil costs. WE ALL KNOW.

If you want to leave to save money...just go. You don't to announce it to the whole phonescoop world. We don't care, none of us are loosing sleep knowing that you ported to an inferior carrier. Just take your money and go.

And verizon doesn't want to be the cheapest carrier. Look where sprint is right now? They are in huge financial trouble and now they have to give away the farm just to attract customers. T
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Juanbyjuan

Jul 12, 2008, 9:17 AM
cwcanty said:
If you want to leave to save money...just go. You don't to announce it to the whole world. We don't care, none of us are loosing sleep knowing that you ported to an inferior carrier. Just take your money and go.



If only we can say this to customer...if only.
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PeterGriffin

Jul 8, 2008, 10:26 AM
I jumped from Verizon to Sprint and I'm glad I did! Service is exactly the same as Verizon in most areas. In the rest where I am Sprint is actually a bit better! Not here to bash verizon because they were great too, just a bit pricey for this day in age.
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 11:00 AM
And that's exactly my point. A lot of people these days don't have the luxury of spending more for a little better service and I suspect it will start to hurt Verizon if they don't adjust to the times. AT&T has similar high pricing, but they also have rollover, which in our case would have kept us from seeing $500/month bills 2 months in a row as we had a lot of minutes through the winter and spring that were un-used. AT&T also has the attraction of phones as well (iPhone etc) over Verizon. Verizon's only justification for their higher prices is "the network" and it use to be worth it, but not anymore.
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maverick96

Jul 8, 2008, 11:29 AM
sdgmcdon said:
And that's exactly my point. A lot of people these days don't have the luxury of spending more for a little better service and I suspect it will start to hurt Verizon if they don't adjust to the times. AT&T has similar high pricing, but they also have rollover, which in our case would have kept us from seeing $500/month bills 2 months in a row as we had a lot of minutes through the winter and spring that were un-used. AT&T also has the attraction of phones as well (iPhone etc) over Verizon. Verizon's only justification for their higher prices is "the network" and it use to be worth it, but not anymore.


Used to be worth it but not anymore???? Maybe in your opinion. Regardeless STOP flaming wi...
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 11:46 AM
Flaming with my opinions as though I'm trying to portray as fact?

The economy isn't an issue on peoples minds?

The majority of folks out there have plenty of money to spend?


VZW doesn't charge significantly more for their services than their competition?

With JUST THOSE THREE things said (which are true, all of them by the way) it's not reasonable to assume that VZW's higher pricing will start to erode their customer base? ...Hmmm...Oh wait...it already HAS done that.

http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/4/verizon_q1_vz_ »

(25% fewer new customers than previous quarter)

Opinion portrayed as fact? Wake up and smell reality.

By the way, I'm not flaming or at least not intending too, I simply feel VZW is a good company a...
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phonefan1

Jul 8, 2008, 11:55 AM
Just so you know. VZ is Verizon Communications not VZW- they are a part owner of VZW along with Vodafone. So if you own stock, you own stock in VZ not VZW.
If you read the article, it clearly states that Wireless is up 13/2% y/y. And with 1.19% overall churn, I am more than happy to see the addition of 1.5 million new customers on VZW.
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 12:00 PM
more than happy to see the addition of 1.5 mil when it's usually 2 mil ehh?

I see that as a 500,000 person LOSS...

Maybe it's just my math?
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phonefan1

Jul 8, 2008, 12:08 PM
All carriers KNOW that customers will leave. It is the nature of the business. I was simply advising you that VZW still has the lowest churn (post-paid). And that does make a difference. Yes, 1.5 million is nothing to smirk about. As you have stated time and time and time again, the economy is in the shi**er. So if a company can still post those gains, then I say good for them.
I am sure real estate agents wish they could have those earnings in this market!
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 9:41 PM
Yes we do!...All I was saying is someone saying Sprint just lost X number (millions? whatever) in the last quarter/year whatever I was just showing that even Verizon has down times as well and just because Sprint is losing however many customers as they are, they are also GAINING customers (but at what rate?) and in my opinion it doesn't have a lot to do with a reason to use them or not. In fact I think they just switched CEO's didn't they? Right after that there stock from what I can tell has been improving and then you have the right thing to do, the everything plans they introduced.

I know a bunch of people with Sprint now that are perfectly happy with them, they are 50% cheaper than VZW so I'm giving them a try...Maybe I'll be back, ...
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willv

Jul 11, 2008, 9:49 AM
the only way to make this a fair arguement would be to get factual numbers for all the carriers!
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liquidfire

Jul 8, 2008, 4:13 PM
no its still a 1.5mil gain. just because its not as much of a gain as usual, its still a gain.

at first i agreed with you that VZW is more expensive and sprint has its plusses, which i still do to an extent. but now it seems that you just want to start a flame war.


**puts on flame suit so as not to get strunk by an collateral damage. sets out jiffy pop and grabs a cold beer......**
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 9:45 PM
not sure how you gathered that from my posts but you're certainly entitled to your interpretation.
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Cellenator

Jul 8, 2008, 11:30 AM
Just port already ready the sprint forum is over there
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 11:56 AM
You are defending VZW a lot, warning them not to leave etc, then when you realize they're not listening to you you begin to attempt to insult them.

...I just couldn't help but to notice you're having to do that with 20% of the post's on the front page of VZW's own forum here.

20% of the posts on the first page of their own forum here are from people LEAVING (not even including my cancellation fee or roaming question posts) and that's good? That isn't descriptive of the problem with VZW when every single one of those posts cites their pricing as the problem?

Keep defending VZW...yeaaa!

Keep telling yourself they are worth all that extra cash...to you maybe.
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MissSLM07

Jul 8, 2008, 12:55 PM
Ooooh Cellenator hush! Where do you go EVERYDAY when you log into Phone Scoop??? The Sprint forum to bash so shut yo big fat trap!!! ๐Ÿ˜› ๐Ÿคฃ
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phonefan1

Jul 8, 2008, 12:12 PM
This guy just doesn't get it. So, please let's just let his useless post die a quick death.
I am done with him!
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ArmySF

Jul 8, 2008, 12:41 PM
I agree ED is making this guy cranky! ๐Ÿคฃ
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MissSLM07

Jul 8, 2008, 12:59 PM
Are you serious? @ phonefan He has the right to post opinions like everyone else. At least hes not here insulting people and calling names. If you love VZW then great. Don't be so defensive. I don't understand why people take this stuff so personal...its not that big of a deal. ๐Ÿ™„ Go smoke a cigarette and calm your nerves...geez! ๐Ÿคฃ
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 10:02 PM
Sure thing ๐Ÿ˜ˆ
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Platypus

Jul 8, 2008, 8:47 PM
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »


๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ :lol
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sdgmcdon

Jul 8, 2008, 9:21 PM
Wow...impressive attempt to convince me not to go to Sprint...amazing... ๐Ÿ™„
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vzwrican69

Jul 8, 2008, 10:06 PM
wow...seriously...im not even going to comment...get a grip leave VZW good for you...if you're nto happy thats nice why waste your time writing a novel about it...good luck elsewhere
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Its-The-Network

Jul 8, 2008, 10:51 PM
Millions are leaving sprint but this genius thinks everything will be fine. Funny funny stuff ๐Ÿคฃ
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vzman23

Jul 10, 2008, 11:28 AM
what a joke. thousands of people leave cell companies all the time. More people leave Sprint than everyone else. if you want to be a bargain basement guy with no mobile to mobile people to talk to go ahead. You will probably be back soon.
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rynels

Jul 10, 2008, 12:14 PM
Well that greatly depends on how many Sprint users this particular user knows.
I don't know awhole lot but if Sprint is a big network in his area then it'll work out really well for him, along with being cheaper.

Everyone needs to learn to be a bit more unbias in responses. The OP was calm and gave us his story and didn't bash VZW, no need to bash the company he's going to.

"Oh, you're moving to England and getting Vodafone? Have fun with that terrible network and no mobile to mobile users to talk to."

I work for VZW, I'd love to see them stay, but you gotta open your mind before you just post "rabble rabble Sprint is crap, rabble!"
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vzman23

Jul 10, 2008, 10:39 PM
Go to sprint, yeah they're cheaper, they don't give you as good of a deal on phone up grades, and the people working at the company are generally unhelpful (Store or Customer service)

I have not been in any area where sprint is the dominant carrier. I also only know 1 person who has ATT and they have a lot of customers so idk.

Sprint is decent in my area, but not very many people have them.
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DoubleHelix

Jul 10, 2008, 9:49 PM
sdgmcdon said:
I'm about to jump ship from Verizon to Sprint for ONE REASON - COST.


"It's the Network"?

It WAS the network; I suspect now it's more along the lines of "it's the cost Verizon i think is going to catch onto that only when it's too late.

Goodbye Verizon.

I have a Verizon Personal account (KRZR) and a work provided Sprint Blackberry.
All I can say is that there IS a big difference between the coverage and Verizon still wins hands down.

My Sprint phone drops calls for no good reason and very often I just use the VZ phone because the Sprint phone can't decide if it has 5 bars or none - all while I am standing still very close to the tower.
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Platypus

Jul 11, 2008, 8:06 PM
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »


you think they guy will learn??? ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ ๐Ÿคฃ
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