Verizon going GSM?
I heard eventually in order to keep up with demanding internet usage, Verizon would have to go GSM. Is this true?
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No its not true. Verizon is eventually going to lte which is neither gsm or cdma but a new technology. But till then which is a couple years down the rd its still 1x/evdo.
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Excatly its the othe rway around. GSM carriers need to change to keep up with Data. CDMA could stick with EVDO Rev b, c, d. But they are chosing newer technolgies. There really is no limit to CDMA as with GSM. But the top 3 carriers have chosen not to take 4g CDMA. Sprint is going Wimax and ATT and Verizon LTE.
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From what I have read no carrier in any part of the world is 4g yet. The closest is Japan.
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no I doubt it what system are they using? LTE is not out yet. And the only other tech that is out there is almost ready to be deployed in Japan. But not yet.
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But what about AFTER that? I heard CDMA can only do so much compared to GSM in the internet world.
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As I said GSM is no longer able to expand. It can not go past 2g. That is the end of GSM. All 3g on GSM is WCDMA not GSM.
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wombough said:
As I said GSM is no longer able to expand. It can not go past 2g. That is the end of GSM. All 3g on GSM is WCDMA not GSM.
What are you trying to indicate here? WCDMA is really Verizon technology being used by GSM carriers>?
If so it's implemented far better on the open GSM phones then for their OWN customers!!! Ya think?
I think VErizon customers would be better off with a W in front of their CDMA.....ya think? Then they would not have to wait a year for phones like the RAZR and Curve........They would have REAL GPS not tower/network fee based GPS.
Thank you for the the W Verizon....WCDMA Rocks.
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AvgJoe said:
What are you trying to indicate here? WCDMA is really Verizon technology being used by GSM carriers>?
If so it's implemented far better on the open GSM phones then for their OWN customers!!! Ya think?
I think VErizon customers would be better off with a W in front of their CDMA.....ya think? Then they would not have to wait a year for phones like the RAZR and Curve........They would have REAL GPS not tower/network fee based GPS.
Thank you for the the W Verizon....WCDMA Rocks.
GSM's evolution uses CDMA based technology (which is not Verizon Technology) for it's 3G. You are still using GSM for voice and 2G data. Your RAZR and Curve both use EDGE for data, which is 2G. If you have ...
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there is no explaining it to him he is the below avejoe and can't grasp what everyone is telling him!
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One other thing. ATT will switch over all voice from GSM to WCDMA. In the near future. Once it is fully deployed.
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hmmm I honestly dont know. You would be best asking in the at&t forum for that.
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Yes WCDMA is much better then GSM voice wise from my experiance. I used it in Japan. They ahve had it for a long time now. They only use WCDMA and one carrier uses CDMA. Never had that issue.
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yes they do not have to though. One company is Japan does and another does not.
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i like sim cards better, but I like CDMA calls and data better. Such a world.
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In Japan you can save stuff to your sim card or your phone. Its your choice.
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save stuff? like, pics? texts? vids?
so, you're saying BETTER sims? right?
so, you're saying BETTER sims? right?
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text and contacts but sims are limited in space so even in Japan you can't save vids and pics. They will never be able to hold those things. They were designed to hold contacts and account info.
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cause our sims can't even hold text over here.
never say never. i'm sure people never thought a gig of memory would be useful.
never say never. i'm sure people never thought a gig of memory would be useful.
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I just don't see the use of a sim holding that. When they all have sd cards. And another thing is just something else to go bad in my opinion. You can transfer SD card to another phone just as you can a sim card.
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i would like to see sd cards done away with and sim's becoming higher in capacity, but i doubt it'll happen.
san disk likes making money on SD cards, and carriers like paying sqwat for sim cards.
san disk likes making money on SD cards, and carriers like paying sqwat for sim cards.
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just got out my phone from Japan here it the memory breakdown:
SMS Sim Card (USIM) 10
SMS Phone 770
Contacts:
USIM - 50
Phone 1000.
Nothing else can be saved to the USIM so I didn't include it.
SMS Sim Card (USIM) 10
SMS Phone 770
Contacts:
USIM - 50
Phone 1000.
Nothing else can be saved to the USIM so I didn't include it.
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this has to be a joke!!! How many times do we go over this. GSM is dead it reached end. It can not go past 2g. All GSM carriers 3g is WCDMA technolgy not GSM.
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but isn't WCDMA the same as GSM?
it's not a joke, jerk. I'm asking a question. Actively. I don't search old fourms to answer questions, because I enjoy interaction. If you don't like it, don't answer.
it's not a joke, jerk. I'm asking a question. Actively. I don't search old fourms to answer questions, because I enjoy interaction. If you don't like it, don't answer.
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No wcdma is not the same as gsm. It uses sim cards yes but its more of an evolution of cdma.
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weird. I never would have thought.
What does ATT and TMO have to do to convert their towers to WCDMA
What does ATT and TMO have to do to convert their towers to WCDMA
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They alread started. ATT 3g is WCDMA. And once they get it on all towers then they will most likley move voice over also.
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didn't mean it that way. And if its legite then ok. But its not that old. It was talked about jsut in the thread below this to death. That is why I said that. And jerk is not called for. I understnad about not going far back or even on page 2. Buts its all on page 2. however I love interaction to and rather talk to someone that is really intrested in talking about it then what avejoe does.
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well, i didn't see it. sorry.
i've had a few run ins with avejoe. he's not bad. there are some real dorks on this site, however.
i've had a few run ins with avejoe. he's not bad. there are some real dorks on this site, however.
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chainmail311 said:
but isn't WCDMA the same as GSM?
it's not a joke, jerk. I'm asking a question. Actively. I don't search old fourms to answer questions, because I enjoy interaction. If you don't like it, don't answer.
Don't bother with Wormbough. He's made himself the "Verizon defender" He does not understand WCDMA is nothing like CDMA. They both use different phones, Different technologies.
He believes GSM is really CDMA. IF it is indeed it's CDMA DONE RIGHT. NO matter what Veriaon will never have the complete flexibility of GSM no matter what they call it. They would lose too much money to become GSM like.
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I am not the verizon defender. I can care less about verizon don't have them and never will. You are the defender of idiots. WCDMA has both GSM and CDMA characteristics. However more so of CDMA. GSM has not growth beyond 2g. Please prove me wrong!! GSM is not CDMA. GSM is based of TDMA.
Their is no such thing as GSM LTE and CDMA LTE because LTE is LTE not CDMA or GSM. Damn you need to do some research and stop showing what an retard your bieng not wanting to listen or even look for yourself.
Their is no such thing as GSM LTE and CDMA LTE because LTE is LTE not CDMA or GSM. Damn you need to do some research and stop showing what an retard your bieng not wanting to listen or even look for yourself.
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LTE is an extension of the GSM technology. Many tech sites have claimed this.
"It's certainly hot technology, but one seen as an extension of GSM's high-speed packet technology. This is a rejection of CDMA's EV-DO (which has a faster Rev. C that could have been rolled out) and a definite rejection of WiMax, which has been Sprint's chosen 4G"
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/verizon-switch ... »
UMTS operators that are upgrading to LTE will have a smooth migration path especially since mobile devices are likely to be GSM/UMTS/HSDPA/LTE compatible. LTE makes this especially easy since the air interface has been designed to be able reuse oscillators etc. from HSDPA. Also...
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"It's certainly hot technology, but one seen as an extension of GSM's high-speed packet technology. This is a rejection of CDMA's EV-DO (which has a faster Rev. C that could have been rolled out) and a definite rejection of WiMax, which has been Sprint's chosen 4G"
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/verizon-switch ... »
UMTS operators that are upgrading to LTE will have a smooth migration path especially since mobile devices are likely to be GSM/UMTS/HSDPA/LTE compatible. LTE makes this especially easy since the air interface has been designed to be able reuse oscillators etc. from HSDPA. Also...
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LTE is an extension of the GSM technology. Many tech sites have claimed this.
"It's certainly hot technology, but one seen as an extension of GSM's high-speed packet technology. This is a rejection of CDMA's EV-DO (which has a faster Rev. C that could have been rolled out) and a definite rejection of WiMax, which has been Sprint's chosen 4G"
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/verizon-switch ... »
UMTS operators that are upgrading to LTE will have a smooth migration path especially since mobile devices are likely to be GSM/UMTS/HSDPA/LTE compatible. LTE makes this especially easy since the air interface has been designed to be able reuse
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your missing the point. GSM is not LTE not even remotly close. It may be closer to WCDMA which is what the articles you pointed out hint to. HSDPA/UMTS is WCDMA.
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wombough said:
your missing the point. GSM is not LTE not even remotly close. It may be closer to WCDMA which is what the articles you pointed out hint to. HSDPA/UMTS is WCDMA.
Explain this statement then..
"CDMA operators such as Verizon will have a much more difficult story to tell their subscribers. I kind of doubt that there will be CDMA/LTE mobile devices since there won't be many operators taking this path. Also from the core network point of view LTE won't be able to interconnect with a CDMA network as easily as with a UMTS network."
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its a new generation of devices. like now with companies that use 2g and 3g, some devices support it and some don't. if you want 4g, you just get a 4g capable device. dude thats not hard at all. seriously...c'mon joe! from what i read you seem smarter than that. or are you just copying and pasting stuff from wikipedia onto our forums?
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Anything is possible. All they have in them is radios. They said their wouldn't be a GSM/CDMA phone but there have been a few Quad band phones that have been made available by both verizon sprint and alltel. They can make anything if they want. That is what I read from that article. They have to find a company that will make a CDMA/LTE phone. Which won't be a problem as big as verizon is. However 4g I would think will replace 3g and below meaning you won't need a phone other then a LTE. It would be cheaper and I am sure after a few years of 4g 2g and 3g will go away.
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totally off topic, 2001: a space odyssey is F***ED!!!!! i haven't seen it in forever. i started last night after work, and just finished like the last hour or so of it. omg! i want to curl up in a ball and die before the future comes and intelligent life mess with my mind!
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The workd standard being GSM and manufactures will make GSM phones more then CDMA because of this. Therefore, manufactures will make GSM/LTE phones more then CDMA/LTE phones. That's the hard part for Verizon.
CDMA carriers worldwide, besides Verizon and Sprint, will have to make a decision on their 4G network.
They can 1. Go to UMB (CDMA 2000 EVDO Rev C) and continue to use CDMA technology, 2. go to WiMax although US carriers would have to use other spectrum besides what Sprint and Clearwire cornered. 3. LTE which will be a more worldwide used technology, 4. Some other new and unknown technology. Guess we'll have to see what Alltel, US Cellular, Cricket, MetroPCS, Canadian CDMA carriers and etc. will go to for 4G.
CDMA carriers worldwide, besides Verizon and Sprint, will have to make a decision on their 4G network.
They can 1. Go to UMB (CDMA 2000 EVDO Rev C) and continue to use CDMA technology, 2. go to WiMax although US carriers would have to use other spectrum besides what Sprint and Clearwire cornered. 3. LTE which will be a more worldwide used technology, 4. Some other new and unknown technology. Guess we'll have to see what Alltel, US Cellular, Cricket, MetroPCS, Canadian CDMA carriers and etc. will go to for 4G.
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The workd standard being GSM and manufactures will make GSM phones more then CDMA because of this. Therefore, manufactures will make GSM/LTE phones more then CDMA/LTE phones. That's the hard part for Verizon.
CDMA carriers worldwide, besides Verizon and Sprint, will have to make a decision on their 4G network.
They can 1. Go to UMB (CDMA 2000 EVDO Rev C) and continue to use CDMA technology, 2. go to WiMax although US carriers would have to use other spectrum besides what Sprint and Clearwire cornered. 3. LTE which will be a more worldwide used technology, 4. Some other new and unknown technology. Guess we'll have to see what Alltel, US Cellular, Cricket, MetroPCS, Canadian CDMA carriers and etc. wi
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you really underestimate the ability of the current U.S. populous to conform to new technology. getting a new phone isn't an inconvienence. and most people do want to wait for their "New Every Two" because thats why they are with VZW. there are benefits of each company, good phones at a great discount every 20 months is one of them.
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you really underestimate the ability of the current U.S. populous to conform to new technology. getting a new phone isn't an inconvienence. and most people do want to wait for their "New Every Two" because thats why they are with VZW. there are benefits of each company, good phones at a great discount every 20 months is one of them.
I understand that ATT also offered us "free" or new phones at 18 months. The phone I wanted was not on the list otherwise I would have accepted the deal. I also won't pay an upgrade fee which just adds to the cost of the phone. Nor do I participate in anything sold with a Rebate that tkes 6-8 weeks to collect.
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Verizon isn't going GSM. It has decided that it's 4G technology is going to be LTE, which is not GSM... GSM is a very old, 2G technology, and is TDMA-based. LTE, meanwhile, is 4G, and OFDM-based. Apples and oranges, two entirely different technologies.
Besides, why would Verizon go backwards to GSM, when actually GSM has gone CDMA for its 3G tech? The other name for UMTS, after all, is WCDMA for a reason... it uses CDMA tech for its air interface. And a good thing too, 'cuz GSM's air interface kinda sucks. ☹️
The confusion, I think, comes from the fact that a lot of GSM carriers are ALSO going to LTE/OFDM too for their 4G, and they announced their intentions before VZW did.
Some people who don't know much about technology saw tha...
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Besides, why would Verizon go backwards to GSM, when actually GSM has gone CDMA for its 3G tech? The other name for UMTS, after all, is WCDMA for a reason... it uses CDMA tech for its air interface. And a good thing too, 'cuz GSM's air interface kinda sucks. ☹️
The confusion, I think, comes from the fact that a lot of GSM carriers are ALSO going to LTE/OFDM too for their 4G, and they announced their intentions before VZW did.
Some people who don't know much about technology saw tha...
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Good explanation. I will also liek to add if the carriers do not give enough spectrum 4 g will be jsut as fast as 3g in say Japan. Japan 3 g sees upwards of 20mbs.
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true. Also just imagine when all this happens. It will be harder for sprint to get phones. Everyone else will be able to use each others phone sprint will be left in the dust. I dont think sprint will know what hit them as usual. 🤣
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Well they will be 2 years at elast ahead of the others. While the others are deploying sprint will be deployed and the manufacters will already made deals. Now if they were on the same time table I think it would matter more.
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True but think how many phones will be made for lte compared to wifi. Sprint will be my itself and not nearly enought pull to get all the latest gear. Also with how their history of having business problem would any company take the risk of giving them too much equipment with smaller chances of a return. I think not.
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It will depend on numbers. If they have say 50 million subscribers on wimax then yes any company will be glad to make phones for them. If they only have a couple mill then no.
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One other thing. Wimax is not just sprint. Its the only wireless carrier going to it but its been around for a bit and other copmanies use it and already make devices for it.
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Make devices for it but I dont think they are cell phoens or act the same way. Also not all of sprints custs are going to be on wimax. According to their leadership they want to keep nextels ptt which I think is stupid and will hurt them but thank god I dont personally worry about that.
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Most will move. Wimax will offer VOIP for like 50 a month unlimited calls. Its cheaper and most will go to it. And your right they are not phones but smart devices. But its easy to add a phone to a smart device.
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VOIP for 50 a month? T-Mobile does that for 9.99 a line, or 9.99 a family. Rip off.
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I am talking about going anywhere on the wimax network like you do a cell phone now for unlimited calls for 50.00. Not like tmobile@home. And data for about 40 a month for like 10-20mbs.
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so, wimax would basically cover voice as well? i wasn't made aware of that. that is a sweet deal.
what other part of the world has wimax?
what other part of the world has wimax?
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I don't think any besides the US. We have had fixed Wimax for a while now. And yes it would eventually cover voice with VOIP. Instead of the voice tech today. Its cheaper so they can offer it for cheaper.
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But you still think Sprint is a sinking ship> so, buying stocks in it wouldn't be a good idea right now?
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no they are going to come up. I think the new CEO is going to turn them around and the assets they have is second to none. The stock rose good today and its a good time to buy them now.
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I know he was with the old ATT before cingular bought them. He is the one that started to free nationwide long distance and pissed all the other carriers off which in turn had to follow suit. So you can thank him for making long distance a thing of the past.
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