LGs and Samsungs? C'mon. Why is one of biggest if not the biggest cell phone companies - NOKIA - that has a ton of great looking phones only have 2 featureless (although great reception) phones carried by Verizon? Maybe you should go to the Winter Consumer Electronic Show in Las Vegas this jan to see all the new stuff coming out. In asia, motorola, sony ericsson and nokia have a ton of selection for their GSM customers. As big as VZW, it must have the clout to work w/ these manufacturers to come up and supply it with better phones. C'mon VZW, do something...

Ahh the rant of the un-enlightened.

VZW runs on CDMA technology. Qualcomm has a patent on CDMA technology. For a phone manufacturer to make a phone they have to develop the software to run on a CDMA platform. Also the manufacturer has to pay a licensing fee or commission to Qualcomm to make the chipset and software required for CDMA.

By the way.. Everyone knows that phone tech in other countries is so far ahead of the USA. They have less rules and regulations regarding how these phones work. Besides.. I could give two flying freaks what works in Asia or Japan. How about what works in the USA today? At a reasonable price hmmm?

sorry but if you think the VZW phones are comparable to the ones sold by Cingular and T-mobile, then you're as blinded as the VZW company. maybe you're still into black and white TVs and think that's the best thing out there right now. 🙄

I would like you to quote me on where I said they are comparable. I specifically said that it is his opinion, and I think the selection is good.

Nice try, good assumption.

schnozejt said:
You got me, I've never seen any other phone besides VZW phones. How did you know that I've never seen any other phone?

Well, either your a complete moron, or you just haven't had the chance to view the other provider's phone line-up.

I personally don't want to believe that your a moron. So that is how I came to that conclusion.

Was I right in my assessment or was I wrong?

😕

I have viewed other phones and I still think our selection is good. I am not saying which carrier has better or worse phones.

In retrospect, a correlation can be made w/ our target demographic and phone selection; the majority of our customers (old people) look for reception and durability as the main features.

schnozejt said:
I have viewed other phones and I still think our selection is good. I am not saying which carrier has better or worse phones.

In retrospect, a correlation can be made w/ our target demographic and phone selection; the majority of our customers (old people) look for reception and durability as the main features.

...But you get reception and durability from the other phones as well!

It just doesn't make sense!!!!

Reception is another question/debate. Durability I can give you.

Reception is relative to where the customer lives.

schnozejt said:


... In retrospect, a correlation can be made w/ our target demographic and phone selection; the majority of our customers (old people) look for reception and durability as the main features.

Plus, it is the younger crowed that spends the most in this business!

The majority of our customers are not of the younger demographic.

schnozejt said:
The majority of our customers are not of the younger demographic.

really? well, then why limit it to old folks? doesn't sound like goog marketing strategy. still young or old, you can't just keep supplying POS phones forever. just imaging if the all the nice phones are available w/ VZW, wouldn't that make a bunch of Cingular and T-mobile users switch. Plus, back to my point in this thread. Why did Motorola just have the RAZR phone for the GSM market? Again, no nice phones for VZW. It has never happened and will never do. They will always have POS phones, period!!!!

klapper2001 said:
Why did Motorola just have the RAZR phone for the GSM market? Again, no nice phones for VZW. It has never happened and will never do. They will always have POS phones, period!!!!

Uhh... you're being a tad silly. 🙄

Go look at the user reviews on this very site... there are several Verizon phones that score very highly indeed. If the users are very happy with said phones, then they aren't POSes, except in your mind- end o'story.

(btw, the RAZR looks cool... but its also hella expensive & not a features champ for the money. Probably less than 5% of users would seriously consider it for those reasons. Cool to ogle in the store, though.

When super-slim phones become more common an...
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is that why they are flying off the shelves?

CainMarko said:
is that why they are flying off the shelves?

Yes Cain, and there's often a waiting list for certain models of Mercedes-Benz too... does that mean that they outsell Ford F-150 pickups or Honda Accords? Heck no. Sales-wise, good high end products get blown away by good midrange ones, that's just the reality of the marketplace- there's a lot more people willing to drop $150 on a phone than $600.

If you honestly believe that a phone that's $600 with contract is going to be the best-selling phone out there for any significant period of time, you need to get out of Beverly Hills once in awhile. Or better yet, buy us all dinner at Spago's. ;)

BetterThanJake said:
If you honestly believe that a phone that's $600 with contract is going to be the best-selling phone out there for any significant period of time, you need to get out of Beverly Hills once in awhile. Or better yet, buy us all dinner at Spago's. ;)

Ok, that was a little mean. And on, further reflection, not entirely fair.

The RAZR is a nice product, and should sell reasonably well even after the launch hype has worn off. And since there are fewer high-end phone models out there compared to midrange ones, it actually has a chance of being one of the better-selling models out there.

Does that mean that its not a niche product? No. Does that mean that the high end phone market is any...
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Here's a little test.
Go into the Phone Finder section of this website and enter some of the higher end features which are becoming the norm in next generation wireless telephony.

I entered as required features:
Bluetooth
Camera
Data-Capable
Expansion Card
Speaker Phone

Of the many phones that showed up, only one was a Verizon phone, the V710. We all know about the foibles of that one, and I for one do not consider Bluetooth that's been crippled to qualify as the full Bluetooth standard.

Excellent reception, sound and graphics capabilities are standard requirements in emerging phone technology. Phones that don't meet or exceed these abilities are already behind the curve. Clearly, Verizon has some work to do to become competit...
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Well, if the phones are as goddawful as you seem to be saying, why then are so many VZW customers seemingly happy with their phones? And why is Verizon's customer add rate blowing away all these other carriers that allegedly have such amazing, wake-the-kids-and-call-the-neighbors phones?

Given VZW's obvious success, the reasonable conclusion would be that either the other carriers must suck so hard that Verizon could put a string between cans and still win, or, more likely, only a small percentage of customers require their phones to have ALL of the bells & whistles, and your error is in assuming that the majority of customers do.

Heck, by your own post, the Moto RAZR (the #1 phone mentioned by folks wailing that VZW has a 'sucky' pho...
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BigPhony said:
Here's a little test.
Go into the Phone Finder section of this website and enter some of the higher end features which are becoming the norm in next generation wireless telephony.

I entered as required features:
Bluetooth
Camera
Data-Capable
Expansion Card
Speaker Phone

Of the many phones that showed up, only one was a Verizon phone, the V710.

I have a cold & am stuck inside, so I did as you requested, but went one better- I made sure the phones that had those features were actually *Available*, by marking Required for that field.

'Many' phones did not show up. Eight did. Of those, the majority were some rather ugly Nokia smartphones.

Don't know about you, but I don't want an ugly ...
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I don't know why you try to argue this fact! VZW has an awful phone selection. Even the VZW store rep agreed with this.

Also, VZW new line-up of phones that are just now being released (kio/kx2, Audiovox 8940, LG VX8000,..) just proves that someone at VZW finally realized the inferior selection they possessed and are starting to do something about it.

PS. To judge a phone by how "Ugly" it is to you, is really NOT a fact, but just your lone opinion. On the other hand, VZW phone poor selection (when compared to its biggest rivals) is pure fact. ...And VZW mad push of these new handset is proof.

I just want to thank the person at VZW that finally figured it out!!!

actually i think there is a pretty good selection to choose from ,depending on your needs.not all phones are made equal.

Again, it's all in the eye of the beholder. Sure VZW phone selection isn't as 'bling bling' as those in Korea or Japan...or even the GSM carriers over here. But I personally think it's fine, and I'm likin' the new selection that is coming soon.

Once again...I need to know my phone will work whenever and wherever I am. With VZW I have that. Also, the Audiovox CDM 9900, with a great camera, video, speakerphone, etc., is a great communications tool. Assuming I dont need bluetooth, what else would a phone from another carrier do for me?

cp1973 said:
I don't know why you try to argue this fact! VZW has an awful phone selection. Even the VZW store rep agreed with this.

Sorry, but I don't completely agree. VZW's selection is, IMO, lacking a bit at the high-end, but in the midrange (where most folks shop), VZW has a number of well-regarded phones that get great user reviews. How exactly is this 'awful'? I think we need to step back for a moment and realize that the people who frequent these forums tend to high-enders, so they're not exactly looking at things through the same prism as the average buyer.

And btw, who's arguing? I simply did what the guy ASKED me to do, I was just more careful about it. What came up, as I said, was a pack of ug...
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BetterThanJake,
My point was based on the high end phone issue.

As you are, I'm also glad to see VZW correcting that issue by introducing the new phones. 😉

I'm picking up my new KOI/KX2 tomorrow!!! 😁

It's all right where? It's easy to pick winners and losers when you make all of the rules.
How about PDA phones with fast data rates?
How about PTT?
How about phones that can use the existing network in 90% of rural America?
The Tampa Bay Devil Rays do some things statisticly better than the Red Sox, but which one is world champion and which one is a cellar dwelling varmint?
Bluetooth is a great technology with a lot of promise, but it has yet to be implemented very effectively. Before it is it will probably be displaced by 802.11g.
Any lame duck company now has camera phones. (USCC anyone?)
1x is a better data technology than GPRS. EVDO is even better. Who cares if a phone has bluetooth, a camera, GPRS, an SD slot, etc. if it op...
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You keep making the same statments over and over again and you never seem to read the repsonse posts to them. You're leaving out way too much information to even consider your post reasonable.

Take a look at this reply before you post and re-post your "misinformation".

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

well... the phone is only 500 with a 2 year contract, and it's even cheaper with a 150.00 rebate in SOME cases. That phone isn't just a "flat phone". It's a generation leap forward in design. I was able to play with the phone too, and I'm here to tell ya, it's IMPRESSIVE. Just holding it makes you realize the quality of the phone.

Well, the kids gotta bling! The RAZR is liek the Rolex of cell phones. I mean, it's keys are cut with lasers, for god's sake.

PS- You're also ignoring the fact that Verizon is coming out with a number of interesting new phones in the near future, such as the Kyocera Koi, LG VX8000, Audiovox 8940, Nokia 6255, etc. Also, was the Audiovox/Toshiba 9900 chopped liver? Most ppl didnt seem to think so.

Not to mention that the Koi is coming out *next week* and the Moto v260 any day now (already in Radio Shack) The v265, 9900, and LG 6100 are all recent additions.. Verizon's obviously releasing lots of new phones, maybe just not the ones YOU want.

Judging from your comments on the v265 forum (a VZW phone you seem to actually like), you seem to be a Motohead and LG-hater. Given that, no wonder you don't like VZW's phone selection... a lot of it is LG, and Moto is only...
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schnozejt said:
The majority of our customers are not of the younger demographic.

How are you going to deal with the Bluetooth car problem then?

There were about 132,000 BMWs delivered this past year. They are all coming with BT standard.

All of the car makers want out of the phone business, so they are offering BT, from Merceded-Benz to Honda.

Maybe a million cars a year will have it. How long will Verizon hold out to accomodate tham?

There is nothing I can do about the BT car problem.

There is the POSSIBILITY that a software upgrade would be available and newer BT phones would support more profiles.

I would like to emphasize the word "POSSIBILITY" one more time, I can not guarantee of any software upgrade or future BT support of more profiles for any phone not released to the market.

schnozejt said:
There is nothing I can do about the BT car problem.

There is the POSSIBILITY that a software upgrade would be available and newer BT phones would support more profiles.

My understanding is that the profiles have already been developed and that the existing Verizon BT phones already have the ability to support the profiles needed to synch with the cars.

Are you saying something different?

Yes, I agree.

It seems to be a problem - having a million users per year added to a system of BT cars w/o having support from VZW.

schnozejt said:
The majority of our customers are not of the younger demographic.

It depends on what you consider Young. The only thing that is obvious is that VZW is know trying to catch up with the others' phone selection. (KX2/Koi, Moto v505, V710, Audiovox 8940,...) So it is not a matter of older vs younger demographics, its just pure business sense. Hence, the race to release these new phones.

Don't you agree?

Both sides need to catch up, we need to catch up and provide more to the younger demographic and the other side needs to the same w/ the older demographic.

I have opted to not answer nor reply to klappers comment, sounds like he/she has some issues to work out first.

Fair enough 😉

I'm picking up the KX2/koi monday, so they are getting some new phones out! 😁

That looks like a cool phone, let me know how you like it. I might purchase it as well.

I will. I thought it was goint to be huge, but last night at the VZW store, they had a demo model and it was smaller then I expected. 😁

Isn't it about the size of the 9900(when closed) or 7000

Since you replied to me.... 🙂 (I don't think you intended to though.)

Actually I don't really care about cameras and video. I use my phone for business and prefer to use a Smartphone with Blackberry capabilities. Currently, Wireless Sync suffices for the two Palm-based Smartphones and the two Microsoft Smartphones VZW offers. There are newer, more powerful smartphones which I would like to see VZW carry.

Note: I prefer not to carry a Blackberry because it does not have all of the features I need from a Palm PDA. Further, is a little tough to keep up with too many devices.

I am anxiouly awaiting the newer Blackberry 7100 type phone offered exclusively by TM. For smartphones and business it answers a lot of needs!

As Blackberries go the 7100 is not the same. It is designed as a cell phone first, and data device second. If you are looking for a true data/Email/Web device stick with the standard Blackberries.