do you know the v265 will most likely be going to us cellular,and not verizon.

Who knows what they'll do? Its speculation at this point. My point was that a phonemaker is capable of releasing a camera and non-camera version of the same phone.

the Treo 600 is avail with or without a camera

Yeah, I count 24 on the V web site available in Atl, 7 are $400+ PDA's, 6 have camera's, and the rest are OLD technology or clunkers like the Kyocera and Nokia so they've have something cheap to give away.

The LG 4600 was one I seriously considered a couple of months ago, then LG and V took it off their web site. It's back on the V web site, but not LG, which suggests V is dumping remaining stock and it will be an orphan.

As I said in my original post, the only NEW technology V seems to care about are the expensive PDA's or gimmicky camera phone. They don't seem to be interested in providing for good business communication needs.

What do you consider new technology? Most of the phones have everything most people want. "get it now, speakerphone, mobile web, voice dial, EMS etc". Just curious what you're lookin for.

Small, color screen, clamshell design, external caller id, voice dial, data capability, USB, speakerphone nice but not necessary. These make for a good business phone, without the marketing gimmicks.

Everyone has different wants and needs.

Camera phones are so reasonably priced these days that many consumers DO want them.

However, for what you are asking for, an LG 4500 or a Samsung A650 would be just fine.

think 1 1/2 2 years ago the top of the line NON-Camera phones were running the same price as the new top of the line Camera phones. so what does it matter? more for you money. if you don't want it then don't use it how hard is that?

jcoberg10 said:
think 1 1/2 2 years ago the top of the line NON-Camera phones were running the same price as the new top of the line Camera phones. so what does it matter? more for you money. if you don't want it then don't use it how hard is that?

What I think you're missing is the possibility, at the rate we're going, of all or very nearly all of the lineup being camera phones, when there are a significant number of us that are not ALLOWED TO HAVE camera phones in the workplace, for various reasons.

It hasn't happened yet, but I could see it being that way in the near future.

If you are not allowed to have a camera phone than you are probably not allowed to have any type of recording devise, which would include most any cell phone since almost all of them have a voice memo recorder which could prove to be just as dangerous in the corporate world as a camera. My wifes company is a prime example of this type of strict security code. She leaves her phone in the car during the day, not allowed in the building, unless she has the battery removed from it. Similar situation with her PDA, they allow it in the building but only with metallic tape over the IR port.

That's not true everywhere, do a Google search on camera phone ban. Schools, gyms, government offices are calling for bans on camera phones, just like they don't allow you to take your digital camera or video recorder into your local health club locker room.

Then just don't buy a camera phone. I don't see what's so bad about the phones that don't have cameras...after all..isn't a phone's most important feature: being able to place and receive calls?

I'm most definitely not as tech savvy as most of you, but having looked at the features of other cell phones w/out cameras...they seem to be more than capable of doing their job, and doing it well.

bleu_tropix said:
Then just don't buy a camera phone. I don't see what's so bad about the phones that don't have cameras...after all..isn't a phone's most important feature: being able to place and receive calls?

... having looked at the features of other cell phones w/out cameras...they seem to be more than capable of doing their job, and doing it well.

Sigh. I think this is the 3rd time someone in this thread has said, "then just don't buy a camera phone", even though the reasons why its not that simple have been repeated several times in this thread.

I can't speak for jmc, but to repeat, for me the issue is as follows:

1) My workplace does not ALLOW cameraphones. This is more common than you'd ...
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jhmlbrgr said:
If you are not allowed to have a camera phone than you are probably not allowed to have any type of recording devise, which would include most any cell phone since almost all of them have a voice memo recorder which could prove to be just as dangerous in the corporate world as a camera.

Nope, at my place of work, the ban is only against camera phones, not cell phones in general. Screenshots are what they're worried about, not brief audio clips, though I'm sure there are places in the industry where they worry about both.

The possibility of any wireless company offering JUST camera phones is about as likely as every digital camera manufacterer putting a wireless phone in their camera. (Litte cheesy, I know.) This will never happen, so stop worrying about it. There will always be the option of having the basic run of the mill phone because there will always be the basic run of the mill wireless phone user. Now don't think that's what I'm calling you, cause it's not. My point is that VZW will always have the option to buy a camera with and without a camera.

Mazrim said:
The possibility of any wireless company offering JUST camera phones is about as likely as every digital camera manufacterer putting a wireless phone in their camera. (Litte cheesy, I know.) This will never happen, so stop worrying about it. There will always be the option of having the basic run of the mill phone because there will always be the basic run of the mill wireless phone user. Now don't think that's what I'm calling you, cause it's not. My point is that VZW will always have the option to buy a camera with and without a camera.

I completely agree. Now I'm sorry for not reading the three earlier posts that said exactly what I said. But like Mazrim said...don't worry about it.

There are other carriers that cater that business needs...like Nextel.

Nextel's coverage area can't come close to even trying to compete with VZW.

---and dont forget those business places where you CANNOT carry a camera (or camera phone) what then do you do??

Well, to answer the previous questions...you don't buy a camera phone, or you leave the phone in your car.

I'd understand all the crying if VZW only offered camera phone, or PDA style handsets;
but they don't. The Kyocera KX 414, and soon to be K 404. The LG VX-3200, 4500 and 4600. The MO v60p and v60s. Also the Nokia 3589i and soon to be Nokia 6015i. And the Samsung a650. All of these phone are great phones that DON'T have cameras, offerd by VZW. Not to mention all the other channels that you can take to purchase a VZW phone that doesn't have a camera, ie Ebay.

P.S. Perhaps there are more camera phones available through VZW than there are phones without. Don't you think that's the case based on consumer demand though. VZW wo...
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Mazrim said:
I'd understand all the crying if VZW only offered camera phone, or PDA style handsets;
but they don't.

Yes, but that is the present. The way things are going, probably most (if not all) of VZW's lineup will be camera phones in a year or two. The 9900, VX-6100, v710... the big new releases are all camera phones.

And its hardly 'crying' to simply have a different set of needs than the majority, eh? Certainly not our fault that our workplaces don't allow camera phones, and the issue is more widespread than you'd think. At least it is in the software industry, where I work ☹️

It's not consumer demand driving the push for camera phones, it's company profit from the extra charges for sending pictures.

Check out the Oct 14 Atlanta paper for the article on how revenue from camera phones is only 1/2 of what it was predicted to be just 2 years ago.