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true, but with ptt, you'll be able to hit up to 20 people at the same time...

Those PTT calls can be converted to a wireless call too. That would me a 20 person conference call.
pretty cool!

CainMarko said:
Actually, Cingular's PTT is testing on par with Nextel's PTT.

I would be shocked if that were true. It's practically impossible for any kind of PTT over GPRS to reach that kind of performance.

I'm not saying Cingular's PTT doesn't perform well - I'm just saying "on par with Nextel" isn't realistic.

Sprint's and VZW's PTT is performing poorly.

I wouldn't just lump those two together so casually. At the moment, Sprint's is much better than Verizon's. I would expect Cingular's system to be roughly on par with Sprint's.

iDEN(nextel's technology) is based on GSM, so Cingular's should be just as good.

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ahem... excuse me.... I meant based on TDMA. But it's even plausable to say that iDEN was definately INSPIRED by GSM. Take a cellular signal and tweak it with different technologies and ADD A GSM SIM CARD.... Viola!

Yeah, Rich, I guess you will be shocked. Because if you're saying that Sprint's PTT is good then you will be impressed.

According to telecomm magazine...
"While optimizations coming in CDMA2000 Release A should improve performance, the initial service has not posed a threat to Nextel’s iDEN network. Waiting in the wings, however, is a pre-standard GSM-based PoC solution from Nokia that has already demonstrated rapid connection initiation and fast “Chirp to Talk” responses. Taking advantage of permanent GPRS PDP (Packet ...
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CainMarko said:
Yeah, Rich, I guess you will be shocked. Because if you're saying that Sprint's PTT is good then you will be impressed.

I said Sprint's PTT was better than Verizon's. Saying it's "good" would be something different. That's a matter of opinion and I wasn't trying to offer that - just make a comparison.

According to telecomm magazine...
"While optimizations coming in CDMA2000 Release A should improve performance, the initial service has not posed a threat to Nextel’s iDEN network. Waiting in the wings, however, is a pre-standard GSM-based PoC solution from Nokia that has already demonstrated rapid connection initiation and fast “Chirp to Talk” responses. Taking advantage of pe

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Well actually, I have not tried it. But I've seen it used by our testers. The guys R&D offices are right next door to our Marketing&Developement Offices, so I do know what I'm talking about. It's kind of funny, because YOU are the only person I've heard say that it wasn't as fast. Oh, well. Opinions..opinions. Oh, and people quote magazines all the time. I can't exactly quote people in the marketing and developement dept at Cingular. And I know Kodiak uses voice... I SAID it was circuit based. I'll just have to add you to the list of folks who constantly doubt the abilities of GSM. GSM's PTT solution will be better than anything BUT Nextel. That was my point. And Nextel will be going 3G, so they'll have to look for an alternative for their c...
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CainMarko said:
...I'll just have to add you to the list of folks who constantly doubt the abilities of GSM.

What?? 😕 Where did that come from? 🙄

Oh, and yes Nokia's PTT was a pre release... but they have come on board with OMA and are working with the other companies in that group.

Absolutely; everyone is committed to the standard. But my point was that it's Nokia vs. the other guys, with both sides wanting their "pre-standard" to become the standard. Until that issue is settled, it's all a little preliminary.

But do you think they will come up with something that's not as good as the pre-release?

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wow, Cain, you are the most arrogant person i have ever heard on here. You can't even gracefully accept a slight correction.

Rich Brome said:

CainMarko said:
...I'll just have to add you to the list of folks who constantly doubt the abilities of GSM.

What?? 😕 Where did that come from? 🙄

Well, you did imply that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was quoting a magazine. I can appreciate the fact that you've had the opportunity to use it briefly, but the guys down the hall have used it often, and they say it's nice. It's quite bothersome to hear naysayers of the GSM product, because,quite frankly, GSM has NEVER underperformed. Everytime some someone starts spouting that GSM has reached it's zenith, or is just ancient technology, someone comes up with a way to make the GSM ...
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CainMarko said:
Well, you did imply that I didn't know what I was talking about because I was quoting a magazine.

That wasn't my intention. Sorry if it seemed like it. Certainly I quote articles all the time - I think most of us do.

I can appreciate the fact that you've had the opportunity to use it briefly, but the guys down the hall have used it often, and they say it's nice.

I didn't say it wasn't. I only said that when I tried it, it didn't seem nearly as fast as Nextel. It might have improved since then, or I might just have a different take than the guys down the hall.

It's quite bothersome to hear naysayers of the GSM product, because,quite frankly, GSM has

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No, I was NOT "trolling" as you put it... my statements were in direct response to your comments. We've already established that it was a misunderstanding, so I hope you can "appreciate" that. As far as lumping people into groups... it's pretty easy to do on this forum, considering the large amount of flaming here. My "flamebait" comment was in response to yet ANOTHER comment that stated a GSM product isn't as good as another technology. You said it wasn't a GSM bash, so we can leave it at that.
Yes, I totally agree that MOST people do not have as strong feelings on the technology issue. MOST people who don't care DON'T WORK in the wireless industry. The bottom line to most people is "does the phone work?". But, I think it's pretty NAIVE t...
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CainMarko said:
... did you used to run a website called "sprint forums"? if you didn't then i have you confused with someone else, but that's where i got the idea that you were a cdma/sprint advocate.

No. Phone Scoop is the only site like this I've ever run, and I've always tried to keep it as unbiased as possible.

Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.

Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.

muchdrama said:

Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.

Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.

Education levels have NOTHING to do with TYPOS. Your so-called "last bastion" is the second lowest rated customer service group in the world.... so much for them having anything ...
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Well Just so you know not All CSR's are high-school drop outs some are 20 year old college students. Who in the next 4 years will be making more money than you 😛 😛 😛

tyrjohn said:
Well Just so you know not All CSR's are high-school drop outs some are 20 year old college students. Who in the next 4 years will be making more money than you 😛 😛 😛

Guys, I STARTED OUT IN CUSTOMER SERVICE. Not ALL CSR's are idiots.... it's just the one's that are idiots make everyone else look bad. My intent was not to slander CSRs, but to defend myself from someone who was talking trash about me. The post I was referring to was deleted, as it could have been deemed offensive, along with my direct response. The comment was not at all directed towards ALL CSRs.
I'm glad you are going to college, it WILL lead to a better job. I rec'd tuition reimbursement from both Voicestream and Sp...
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You could never disappoint me. I have read a lot of what you say on different subjects and I agree with a lot of the thing you say. I just thought that you should no we are not all like that. I may have over reacted but it does get to you because so many people treat you like crap when your on the bottom of things.
Buy the way I will be ready to retire around 30 also. 😉 I still have 9 years 😉

What degree(s) do you have and what is your position now?

bba in Marketing
bba in Management
Terry College/University of Georgia

without giving away my identity: I am currently in marketing.

I already know who you are cain but I will keep it on the downlow.

Really? Where do you work?

I work for cingular customer care. I work in what used to be GLR region. I am part of the save team.

MMMM. I have a BBA Marketing, MBA, MS Training and Development. Never been in telecom. Think I could come in with a decent salary?

Dang Cain they took us back to one of our first meetings

yeah i noticed... 😕

Not the best meeting I'll admit, But hey it's all love now. Just had to get time to see what each other was about.

The two of you should really be ashamed of yourselves. I graduated from High School and have been in the cellular industry as a senior sales rep for 5 years. I have no college degree. But here are my qualifications. I was the leading sales rep in my region for 21 out of the 24 months that I was a senior sales rep with verizon wireless. I also was a sales rep for sprintpcs and now work on the GSM side of the businiess. The point of this sight is so that people can come here and ask questions in an environment where they dont have to fee like an "idiot" The people involved in this conversation are both obviously very intellegent people whom I feel I could learn a lot from about the cellular industry. But with all due respect I also know ...
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eugene23 said:
The two of you should really be ashamed of yourselves. I graduated from High School and have been in the cellular industry as a senior sales rep for 5 years. I have no college degree. But here are my qualifications. I was the leading sales rep in my region for 21 out of the 24 months that I was a senior sales rep with verizon wireless. I also was a sales rep for sprintpcs and now work on the GSM side of the businiess. The point of this sight is so that people can come here and ask questions in an environment where they dont have to fee like an "idiot" The people involved in this conversation are both obviously very intellegent people whom I feel I could learn a lot from about the cellular industry. Bu

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CainMarko said:

muchdrama said:

Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.

Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.

Education levels have NOTHING to do with TYPOS. Your so-called "last bastion" is the second lowest rated customer service group in the world..

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you said they were the bastion between the customers and my salary.... anyway it's not important. I got your point. Like I said, not all csr's are idiots, just some of them.

muchdrama said:

Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.

Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.

See that, Cain? "the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that PAY your salary".

muchdrama said:

muchdrama said:

Oh, and I really don't care if anyone on this forum thinks I'm arrogant or ****y. I spent a ton of money on my college education. I have worked in the wireless industry for almost 9 years and really don't care about the opinion of a highschool drop-out who's making 9 bucks an hour as a CSR.

Ouch. Careful, Cain...those "highschool drop-outs" (and highschool should be high school...so much for secondary education) are the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that pay your salary.

See that, Cain? "the last bastion between you and the beloved customers that PAY your salary".

Yeah I see it.... I also see the ...
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You two give me something to laugh at every day. I just loving reading each one of your come backs. 🙂

tyrjohn said:
You two give me something to laugh at every day. I just loving reading each one of your come backs. 🙂

It's a labor of love.

Okay... so those of you who followed this "discussion" might notice that it's been been pruned a bit.

I don't care was arguing for what; all I know is that a line was crossed when the name-calling began.

It started with someone calling someone else an "irrational idiot", and went downhill from there... way downhill, unfortunately. 🙄

It got out of control, and I'm not happy about that. I apologize, and I want to make two things clear:

1. Name-calling and personal attacks are unacceptable. It doesn't matter what the topic is; there's a clear difference between disagreeing with someone (attacking their argument) and attacking a person. Attacking a person is completely unacceptable.

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Thank you.

9 years of education and still acts like an idiot. too bad after all that education he cannot have intelligent discourse. Must have been the school of hard knocks.

The delay is down to under 2 seconds for cingular. It will definately be on par with Nextel, with a plus that customers can get you with PTT or by calling you without reaching a message telling them to wait while they locate the you.....

I heard we're testing every possible angle to go w/ the PTT... I've heard tons of rumors though... And will not post anything that hasn't actually come from corp...

Nokia and Kodiak are strong competition right now, with Ericsson possibly coming to bear as well. ONly one I have seen in action is Kodiak.

only one problem with Kodiak's solution... it runs over Voice, so it's going to be insanely expensive. I hope Nokia or anyone else in the OMA can find a way to get theirs to work as well or better.

I think he was saying there is no point in having PTT because, like mobile to mobile, it only works with your carrier. M2M is included in many carriers plans so is now more cost efficient to use M2M than the current PTT options.

I think however people want the PTT option due to its simpleness. Push one button to talk to either one other person, or to a group of people walkie-talkie style. It's way more convenient to use than making a call. That's PTT's main appeal i believe.

CainMarko said:
I think he was saying there is no point in having PTT because, like mobile to mobile, it only works with your carrier.

Precisely. It's redundant.
I can see the appeal of being able to call an entire group of people with just a few button-pushes. However, for one-to-one calls, is anyone really in such a rush that they can't pull someone's number from their contact lists? It ends up being the same number of button pushes on most phones.

Granted, my only experience with PTT, aside from being annoyed by people's chirps in public, is guiding customers through making their first Readylink calls. I don't know if it's simpler or more difficult on Nextel.

Slander said:

CainMarko said:
I think he was saying there is no point in having PTT because, like mobile to mobile, it only works with your carrier.

Precisely. It's redundant.
I can see the appeal of being able to call an entire group of people with just a few button-pushes. However, for one-to-one calls, is anyone really in such a rush that they can't pull someone's number from their contact lists? It ends up being the same number of button pushes on most phones.

Granted, my only experience with PTT, aside from being annoyed by people's chirps in public, is guiding customers through making their first Readylink calls. I don't know if it's simpler or more difficult on Nextel.

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I can't remember the exact dates, but it was before July 2004. The codes have been in the systems for testing on billing and to add the feature for test accounts in live network testing.

heard that cingular is going ahead with kodiak solution for push to talk.
is it true?

anybody knows the lauch date...?

Trojan,

You are correct. Cingular is in the process of rigourous testing(since summer 0f 04) to prevent a PTT flop like Verizon had. It sould be ready to go by the middle of the 1st quarter of 2005. Cingular is starting with the Moto V400p. The SE Z500 was suppose to be PTT, too, but it appears that isn't the case. I haven't heard of anymore info in a while but if I do, I will keep you posted.

Will
Dallas Market

trojanDe said:
whats the satatus of cingular push to talk??

In development, probably deciding what standard they'll go with. Closer than you think, though. A perfect person to ask is CainMarko.

I agree... The push to talk is only a matter of time, but they don't want to launch it before its ready because they don't want to have it be like Verizon's was... We already have prototypes at our local office. 😁

I have cingular now, but i like the ptt on nextel. Anyone have any idea when cingular is getting ptt, because i have been with them for 5 years and have not had any problems, but i want ptt

I'm one person who wont be jumping on this PTT bandwagon. If I wanted someone to be able to get in touch with me instantly I'd have them sitting next to me so they could slap me in the head whenever they want to. If all PTT ends up taking the form of walkie-talkies, I'll have to garrote myself in protest.

Any one have info... on a date for cingular ptt?

Q3 2005 more specifically sometime early sept is the "launch date". unofficial of course, but alot of phones are scheduled in sept that support ptt on cingular.....

Cingular will launch it's PTT service september 1st in its b2b side will it retail october 15th

... were you on the conference call today??? 🙂

Aight just went through training on this... you'll be able to talk with up to 20 people at a time. A huge difference from Nextel is if your in a PTT conversation, you'll be able to instantly switch it to a regular call. Lets see Nextel do that.. Another huge difference over all carriers--- it will work over the entire Cingular network that is shown in the brochures by the end of the year... Meaning, it will be the largest PTT calling area out of all the US providers.

I've also played with a live phone. It takes about 7 seconds to initially connect, but communication after the initial connection is almost instantaneous. You can compare it to this.. When you sign onto Yahoo, you have to connect to the yahoo server, which gives yo...
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We got two demo models in of the LGF7200 yesterday. So far we havent been able to make connections to specific phones, we can only use group calling. However, the feature is crisp and clear and is defintiely turning heads.

We're hoping for the Samsung model to come in soon so all of us employees can get our new lines.

It takes.5 sec for you to start ptt

cingular's ptt will be 0.5 sec to initiate a convo and 0.1 sec thereafter, making it slower than nextel to set up a call but faster once it is set up and dramatically faster than sprint and verizon. ptt talk coverage will be the same as cingular's allover gsm network, the largest in the nation. cingular's ptt will also have 4 add'l features that no other carrier currently offers in addition to everything nextel has. these are the facts 🙂