Shop Talk
how to not have to send back your old phone with asurion?
i have a few ideas;
tell them you went fishing and it took a swim
tell them your dog ate it, and it hasnt passed through its bowels
tell them that you were crossing a small stream during a flash flood and your vehicle stopped working and they had to fish you out of a creek with a helicopter and you have no clue where you phone is but you now owe the state $7800 for the rescue
tell them your phone was so old that when the topless maid service came to clean your house they threw it away
tell them your wife dontaed it to charity because it was ancient
tell them your gay uncles neices 2nd cousin jed used it to call his probation officer and accidentially ran over it with his tractor (then send them a phone, in pieces, that you ...
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tell them you went fishing and it took a swim
tell them your dog ate it, and it hasnt passed through its bowels
tell them that you were crossing a small stream during a flash flood and your vehicle stopped working and they had to fish you out of a creek with a helicopter and you have no clue where you phone is but you now owe the state $7800 for the rescue
tell them your phone was so old that when the topless maid service came to clean your house they threw it away
tell them your wife dontaed it to charity because it was ancient
tell them your gay uncles neices 2nd cousin jed used it to call his probation officer and accidentially ran over it with his tractor (then send them a phone, in pieces, that you ...
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And if you made the claim out under "Damaged Beyond Repair?" what would you say then? Besides Beefer's coment of sending them a phone that is all in pieces that you got from a Threft Store.
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problem with the thrift store idea...
if you for get to take out the imei/esn sticker or it is the wrong model, they might catch that.
But why (other than to defraud Asurion) would you want to keep your old phone?
if you for get to take out the imei/esn sticker or it is the wrong model, they might catch that.
But why (other than to defraud Asurion) would you want to keep your old phone?
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seriously...I filed an ins claim when my mother-in-law ran over her N75. Got it replaced stating that it was ran over. Received the replacement and boxed up the broken handset. Had to go to Wisconsin for three weeks for military stuff. Came back from Wisconsin...there sits the box with the N75 in it.
And...........nothing. No charge for failing to return broken equipment...period. My bill is the same as always. ๐
And...........nothing. No charge for failing to return broken equipment...period. My bill is the same as always. ๐
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Like the shack man said (a brother in arms) just say you lost it. People trip off of water damage...but if you "lose" the phone...you'll get another one. SIMPLE AS THAT
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then you may or may not have to file a police report, depending on which state you live in.
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You don't need a police report. If it's lost or stolen they just list the ESN in a directory that renders it unusable if anyone tries to activate it. Of course if your carrier uses SIM cards none of this matters.
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I dont know if its the same in every state, but here in Ohio they require a police report or at the very least an officer's name and badge number for any lost/stolen phone claim.
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SEM said:
I dont know if its the same in every state, but here in Ohio they require a police report or at the very least an officer's name and badge number for any lost/stolen phone claim.
Apparently it's not. When I talked to assurian they requiired no such thing.
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GSM is what im referring to.
they do and i have heard of police reports being required
they do and i have heard of police reports being required
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beeferjay said:
GSM is what im referring to.
they do and i have heard of police reports being required
Oh..GSM. That's a whole other ballpark. Just say it's stolen and get a new SIM then you get two phones. ๐ ๐ ๐
Nyuck nyuck nyuck..
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but they require police reports in most majot metropolitan areas because of the high incidents of fraud, hence the thread.
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You're basically coming on PS, and asking "How do I call insurance, make them send me a phone, and tell a lie that will let me keep my old one". You got an answer.
Stop being a tool. Look, if you're going to lie to the insurance company about loosing the phone, why don't you lie to the police about it also?
{police report]
Officer Smith states that some random tool says that he lost his phone, and doesn't know where he lost it. Officer "filed" his copy of report in shreader, and gave John Q Tool a copy.
[/police report]
Look, there's no way that you can just ask the insurance company for a new phone, and expect them to not either ask for:
A) the old phone back, or
B) a reason why you can't send the old phone back, and proof of s...
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Stop being a tool. Look, if you're going to lie to the insurance company about loosing the phone, why don't you lie to the police about it also?
{police report]
Officer Smith states that some random tool says that he lost his phone, and doesn't know where he lost it. Officer "filed" his copy of report in shreader, and gave John Q Tool a copy.
[/police report]
Look, there's no way that you can just ask the insurance company for a new phone, and expect them to not either ask for:
A) the old phone back, or
B) a reason why you can't send the old phone back, and proof of s...
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obviously there is misinformation about the subject if i am getting all these different, ill-informed answers.
furthermore, if you find it your mission in life to seek out and confront people who are clearly making a thread in jest to ease the minds of the people that work in the wireless indusrty and anyone else who stumbles upon it, you have problems.
Maybe this is why you work at radio shack and i make more money than you.
(no reply needed)(this isnt an argument, arguing on the interwebs is mentally retarded)
furthermore, if you find it your mission in life to seek out and confront people who are clearly making a thread in jest to ease the minds of the people that work in the wireless indusrty and anyone else who stumbles upon it, you have problems.
Maybe this is why you work at radio shack and i make more money than you.
(no reply needed)(this isnt an argument, arguing on the interwebs is mentally retarded)
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Look, if you make more money then me (and quite honestly, you probably don't, because someone who has to boast about how much he makes to someone he doesn't know, and doesn't know the job of the other person is obviously trying to over-compensate), why can't you just simply buy a new phone Mr. Money Bags?
I'm not seeking out anything, you posted on a public forum, so you were the one seeking out advice. I gave it. Heck, if you wanna call me misinformed, why don't you call your insurance carrier, and aske THEM how you can do it? Because chances are, you know that they will cancel your coverage on the spot for trying to defraud them. Then again, they would be the ones who could give you the most informed answer, seeing how they would know t...
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I'm not seeking out anything, you posted on a public forum, so you were the one seeking out advice. I gave it. Heck, if you wanna call me misinformed, why don't you call your insurance carrier, and aske THEM how you can do it? Because chances are, you know that they will cancel your coverage on the spot for trying to defraud them. Then again, they would be the ones who could give you the most informed answer, seeing how they would know t...
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I'll make a long story short. If you say it is missing or stolen they list the ESN as being unusable by the cell carrier. If you say there is anything wrong with it they want you to send it to get your new phone.
And don't make the same mistake I did - if you cancel the process when you're on the phone with them then to do this next time you call requires you to fax them a bunch of crap and I'm not even sure if it works out yet. But they keep very accurate logs to ensure they don't get fux0red.
And don't make the same mistake I did - if you cancel the process when you're on the phone with them then to do this next time you call requires you to fax them a bunch of crap and I'm not even sure if it works out yet. But they keep very accurate logs to ensure they don't get fux0red.
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one time, when i worked for att i told this lady...
ma'am are you sure you didnt have special bitch k cereal for breakfast?
then i proceeded to tell her i would send her a sample of honey nut shut the **** up cereal.
ma'am are you sure you didnt have special bitch k cereal for breakfast?
then i proceeded to tell her i would send her a sample of honey nut shut the **** up cereal.
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I had one guy come into my store a while ago with a little lump of plastic in his hand. The guy was a realtor or something, and he had a 2 or 3 year old little kid. The kid apparently got upset that his dad was on the phone all the time so, when dad wasn't looking, the kid took the phone and hid it. In the oven. Phone was missing for two weeks so you can imagine what this thing looked like when he brings it into the store cradled in his hands.
That's a pretty good way to keep it.
That's a pretty good way to keep it.
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yeah, ive only had one insurance claim so far, in 2 years.
i like those new mokias that came out for t-mo but my sister and her fiance already got them.
the new 5310.
i like the headphone jack and charging port being seperate.
i might still get it.
but most likely the overpriced ROKR
i like those new mokias that came out for t-mo but my sister and her fiance already got them.
the new 5310.
i like the headphone jack and charging port being seperate.
i might still get it.
but most likely the overpriced ROKR
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your an idiot. Asurion checks the old imei. So if you are planing on using both have fun in jail.
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Tmo Slave said:
your an idiot. Asurion checks the old imei. So if you are planing on using both have fun in jail.
First of all, how will asurion know of the IMEI if he is selling a gsm phone? They shove their SIM card in. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with saying it is broken and then selling it. That is not fraud.
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cellfiend said:
Secondly, there is nothing wrong with saying it is broken and then selling it. That is not fraud.
Sorry, I for the moment forgot that if it is broken you have to send it in. But still, if a SIM card is swapped I don't understand how the carrier and/or asurion would know the phone was claimed lost. And what if you found it later?
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Just because you put a new SIM in the phone it still registers the imei. I know tmobile can check imei usage when our demo phones get stolen to see who is using it. I know Asurion checks it to.
And yes it is fraud to lie to an Asurion saying your phone is lost and then turning around and selling it. It would be the same it you said your car was stolen then getting a new car through your insurance then selling your old car.
And yes it is fraud to lie to an Asurion saying your phone is lost and then turning around and selling it. It would be the same it you said your car was stolen then getting a new car through your insurance then selling your old car.
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Tmo Slave said:
And yes it is fraud to lie to an Asurion saying your phone is lost and then turning around and selling it. It would be the same it you said your car was stolen then getting a new car through your insurance then selling your old car.
No. It's not the same. Stolen is different than lost. You don't "find" stolen things. You *find* lost things.
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Definition
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them รยขรขโยฌโ usually, to obtain property or services unjustly. [1] Fraud can be accomplished through the aid of forged objects. In the criminal law of common law jurisdictions it may be called "theft by deception," "larceny by trick," "larceny by fraud and deception" or something similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud »
You are deceiving Asurion for personal gain. You may think your smarter than the insurance company but your not. Lots of people before you have said they "lost" their phone. Thats why a lot of states require a police report. If you really want to file a phoney police report too have fun.
In criminal law, fraud is the crime or offense of deliberately deceiving another in order to damage them รยขรขโยฌโ usually, to obtain property or services unjustly. [1] Fraud can be accomplished through the aid of forged objects. In the criminal law of common law jurisdictions it may be called "theft by deception," "larceny by trick," "larceny by fraud and deception" or something similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud »
You are deceiving Asurion for personal gain. You may think your smarter than the insurance company but your not. Lots of people before you have said they "lost" their phone. Thats why a lot of states require a police report. If you really want to file a phoney police report too have fun.
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Tmo Slave said:
You may think your smarter than the insurance company but your not. Lots of people before you have said they "lost" their phone. Thats why a lot of states require a police report. If you really want to file a phoney police report too have fun.
Am I smarter than asurion? I guess that would be for the court system to decide. I hope it's worth it for them to pay for a lawyer since mine is free. Also, in the situation I gave you my actions are perfectly legal. I say it is lost. Then it is found. Lost things can be found. Lost things don't dematerialize into the 9th gate of hell.
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Asurion states when the ins claim if filed that if you ever "find" the "lost" phone that you have to turn it in.
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Whatever **** them I'd like to see them pay a lawyer more money than the phone is worth and deal with the legalities of the issue.
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Well since insurance fraud is a Federal offense yet I think they would probably come after you.
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Tmo Slave said:
Well since insurance fraud is a Federal offense yet I think they would probably come after you.
Life insurance? I'd like to see them spend more than the phone is worth trying to get at me for doing what is 100% legal.
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100% legal? Obviously there is no point arguing with you. Your an idiot go ahead and try and committing cell phone insurance fraud. You may get away with it you may not. Good luck.
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hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha he's f'ed if he gets caught. Sorry... a $50 deductable isn't worth a couple years in jail.
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cellfiend said:
Whatever **** them I'd like to see them pay a lawyer more money than the phone is worth and deal with the legalities of the issue.
dont worry, they dont hire lawyers to find out whos wrong or right, you will be charged $200 on your bill when/if the lost/stolen esn/imei turns up on someones account and will not be refunded until said phone is back and accounted for in asurions hands... nuff said.
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Yes lost things can be found but you didn't loose it you just said you did. It would look pretty suspicious if you tell them you lost your phone then a week later you find it and it ends up on ebay.
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fraud Audio Help /frรโฐโยd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[frawd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
รยขรขโยฌโnoun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
Here you go since you obviously don't know the definition of the word Fraud.
รยขรขโยฌโnoun 1. deceit, trickery, sharp practice, or breach of confidence, perpetrated for profit or to gain some unfair or dishonest advantage.
2. a particular instance of such deceit or trickery: mail fraud; election frauds.
3. any deception, trickery, or humbug: That diet book is a fraud and a waste of time.
4. a person who makes deceitful pretenses; sham; poseur.
Here you go since you obviously don't know the definition of the word Fraud.
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It's not legal fraud without a legal conviction. Get that through your head since you obviously don't understand the legal system.
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(International Mobile Equipment Identifier)
A 15-digit number (composed of four parts) that uniquely identifies an individual wireless device. The IMEI is automatically transmitted by the phone when the network asks for it. A network operator might request the IMEI to determine if a device is in disrepair, stolen or to gather statistics on fraud or faults.
A 15-digit number (composed of four parts) that uniquely identifies an individual wireless device. The IMEI is automatically transmitted by the phone when the network asks for it. A network operator might request the IMEI to determine if a device is in disrepair, stolen or to gather statistics on fraud or faults.
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