3 reason's why Cingular will fall................
I *personally* dont believe that cingular's not ganna stay on top much longer for these 3 reason's:
#1. Cingular is ganna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.
#2. Cingular is currently going through a lawsuit in california for purposely degrading the AT&T Network and forcing customers to switch to their GSM Network. Cingular promised both at&t cusotmers & cingular customers that both networks will be maintained and only get better. How unfair dont ya think?
#3. The Cingular brand name will be changed to the AT&T brand name here in the near future due to the recent merger of Bellsouth...
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#1. Cingular is ganna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.
#2. Cingular is currently going through a lawsuit in california for purposely degrading the AT&T Network and forcing customers to switch to their GSM Network. Cingular promised both at&t cusotmers & cingular customers that both networks will be maintained and only get better. How unfair dont ya think?
#3. The Cingular brand name will be changed to the AT&T brand name here in the near future due to the recent merger of Bellsouth...
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sowhatsowhat10 said:
sure
I have an awesome espresso machine that I got from a second hand store for cheap (and it is practically brand new!!!) and it makes the best lattes ever, seriously it is better than starbucks. (I used to work for Starbucks so I am a latte master....:-) )
To be honest, Cingular won't fall. They are too big of a company to do that. Honestly if any major carrier is the first to go I would have to say Sprint. Sprint is now a stand alone wireless provider.
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lefteyeiu2006 said:To be honest, Cingular won't fall. They are too big of a company to do that. Honestly if any major carrier is the first to go I would have to say Sprint. Sprint is now a stand alone wireless provider.
Sprint just propped themselves up by buying Nextel. Unless Sprint screws up their major business clientele they're not likely to fail either. It's sort of hard to tell what they're doing now since it's all been mashed together but it's likely that the native Sprint service (fka Sprint PCS)) has somewhere around 23 - 25 thousand customers which is right about what T-Mobile is going for.
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KSJSharks said:
#1. Cingular is ganna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.
Try again. cingular hasn't had any TDMA contracts for over two years. Think of another reason. cingular hasn't activated any new TDMA service in over two years.
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I think he meant TDMA customers who remain... 🙄
No TDMA customers have been in contract for over two years. Contracts don't have anything to do with TDMA customers.
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8 percent of cingys customer base is TDMa and cingy wants them off it as they cost more money then they are worth
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Right, but now those customers have to buy new equipment and get a completely new 2-year plan. You have to look at the economics of things and how each subscriber currently has their plan set up and how much it costs. It might be better for those customers just to stick on there until the deadline for analog is there. Perhaps Cingular might give them free phones and a good price in price plans.
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nextel18 said:Perhaps Cingular might give them free phones and a good price in price plans.
Yeah, there's about as much chance of that as GWB admitting that invading Iraq was a dumb decision. In other words it's likely not gonna happen. cingular figures that up to 4 million subscribers defecting to someone else is worth the risk. They have over 40,000,000 other customers.
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I don’t think that invading Iraq was a dumb decision, however, staying there as long as they are is a dumb decision, but that is another story at another time.
I just don’t think that they should charge that amount because it is simply not fair for those subscribers who don’t want to upgrade because they have to pay all these fees to do so.
That is a dumb decision to let a potential 4 million+ customers leave because they are giving revenue towards the company obviously at a lesser profit margin, but it would be wise for Cingular to give them an incentive to join because it would help both the customer and Cingular.
I just don’t think that they should charge that amount because it is simply not fair for those subscribers who don’t want to upgrade because they have to pay all these fees to do so.
That is a dumb decision to let a potential 4 million+ customers leave because they are giving revenue towards the company obviously at a lesser profit margin, but it would be wise for Cingular to give them an incentive to join because it would help both the customer and Cingular.
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I don?t think that invading Iraq was a dumb decision, however, staying there as long as they are is a dumb decision, but that is another story at another time.
I just don?t think that they should charge that amount because it is simply not fair for those subscribers who don?t want to upgrade because they have to pay all these fees to do so.
That is a dumb decision to let a potential 4 million+ customers leave because they are giving revenue towards the company obviously at a lesser profit margin, but it would be wise for Cingular to give them an incentive to join because it would help both the customer and Cingular.
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Cingular still has about 4.7 million customers using TDMA phones. Those people will be charged an extra $5 per month until they switch.
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Try again. cingular hasn't had any TDMA contracts for over two years. Think of another reason. cingular hasn't activated any new TDMA service in over two years.
Umm, this makes no sense what so ever!! anyone else know what he's talking about, perferably a hischool graduate this time!
Umm, this makes no sense what so ever!! anyone else know what he's talking about, perferably a hischool graduate this time!
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also allow me to add that anyone with a phone that old is already out of contract. And the ATT contracts are pretty much null and void...since they are allowing ATT Blue customers to migrate to orange without any activation or upgrade fees...say that about any other carrier...u cant..really. 😉
The $5 fee, as was explained makes since, and the customers will understand...specially with the way its explained. I've already spoken to customers who had older phones and agreed it was a good idea to do...since they upgraded they also got better service.
The lawsuits are over something implied. Cingular tried to simply migrate the technology, but the mistakes ATT made before the merger which IS WHATS affecting the customer experience ...
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The $5 fee, as was explained makes since, and the customers will understand...specially with the way its explained. I've already spoken to customers who had older phones and agreed it was a good idea to do...since they upgraded they also got better service.
The lawsuits are over something implied. Cingular tried to simply migrate the technology, but the mistakes ATT made before the merger which IS WHATS affecting the customer experience ...
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thats probably because they ahve an old startac that isnt E911 capable, they can just get a new trimode, cause yes the startacs are amazing, but there are many many newer phones that are just as good with reception, are tri-mode, and E911 capable
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3 reasons your post is dumb.
#1 tdma customer are ALL out of contract.
#2 EVERY carrier has that one important thing that t-mobile cant compete with and that's COVERAGE.
#3 if you reviewed at&tws history you'd know the whole buyout/name change was just name sake in the 1st place.
try again.
#1 tdma customer are ALL out of contract.
#2 EVERY carrier has that one important thing that t-mobile cant compete with and that's COVERAGE.
#3 if you reviewed at&tws history you'd know the whole buyout/name change was just name sake in the 1st place.
try again.
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sowhatsowhat10 said:
3 reasons your post is dumb.
#1 tdma customer are ALL out of contract.
#2 EVERY carrier has that one important thing that t-mobile cant compete with and that's COVERAGE.
#3 if you reviewed at&tws history you'd know the whole buyout/name change was just name sake in the 1st place.
try again.
Actually AT&T Wireless was still accepting new contracts for TDMA service until the merger with Cingular was completed in markets that Cingular acquired, which was around summer or fall of 2004. So those who still have TDMA service contracts should be out of contract soon. But Cingular stopped signing up people for TDMA service (at least in NW Indiana) in 1993, when they started overlaying...
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But Cingular stopped signing up people for TDMA service (at least in NW Indiana) in 1993, when they started overlaying the area with GSM service.
I am assuming you meant 2003? 1993 doesnt even make sense.
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wfine81 said:dave73 said:
But Cingular stopped signing up people for TDMA service (at least in NW Indiana) in 1993, when they started overlaying the area with GSM service.
I am assuming you meant 2003? 1993 doesnt even make sense.
emmmmmm.........im starting to think he doenst either.
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3 reasons your post is dumb....
#1 tdma customer are ALL out of contract.
#2 EVERY carrier has that one important thing that t-mobile cant compete with and that's COVERAGE.
#3 if you reviewed at&tws history you'd know the whole buyout/name change was just name sake in the 1st place.
Reasons your post is dumb.
1. Your statement that ALL tdma customers are out of contract intensifies his point that once Cingular adds $5 to their bill for being on an old plan, thats gonna piss off a lot of people that have the freedom of leaving. But then again, not all TDMA customers are out of contract, some still have a little time left.
2. Wrong here. 2 years ago you could say this, but not today. In fact, I get bette
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luguy said:...3 reasons your post is dumb.
#1 tdma customer are ALL out of contract.
#2 EVERY carrier has that one important thing that t-mobile cant compete with and that's COVERAGE.
#3 if you reviewed at&tws history you'd know the whole buyout/name change was just name sake in the 1st place.
Reasons your post is dumb.
1. Your statement that ALL tdma customers are out of contract intensifies his point that once Cingular adds $5 to their bill for being on an old plan, thats gonna piss off a lot of people that have the freedom of leaving. But then again, not all TDMA customers are out of contract, some still have a little time left.
2. Wrong here. 2 years ago you could say this, but
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I agree, thats probably why I might be switching from Cingular to T-mobile. Let alone Cingulars customer service. 👿
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To anybody who thinks i am mistaken i would like to ask you u to call Cingular's customer care or go to any Cingular store or Kios and ask the rep if Cingular's going to change their name AT&T.......I only wish i was there to see that look of "Oops i was wrong"!! Being a former Cingular employee & a current T-Mobile employee i think i would know a little more than the average customer wouldnt u think?
And as far as the $5 info, try clicking the "News" link on this site & scroll down a bit.....their going to charge customers in september $5 a month to keep your AT&T service or move to their network/plans. Now anybody who thinks that its fair for cingular to do that to (what they call) "their" customers than they have no sense!!
And as far as the $5 info, try clicking the "News" link on this site & scroll down a bit.....their going to charge customers in september $5 a month to keep your AT&T service or move to their network/plans. Now anybody who thinks that its fair for cingular to do that to (what they call) "their" customers than they have no sense!!
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It is not just ATT service, it is for TDMA subscribers. They come from both networks dude! Also, life is not fair, if it is costing them more money to maintenance the dinosaur network and holding back spectrum, then $5 is just the price they are gonna have to pay. None of these customers are under contract so they should look at it as a month-to-month rate adjustment. That sounds fair to me.
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Hate to say this, but Verizon did the same thing back in the early 1990s, (Hey, I am 40, I remember when the only people that cell phones were doctors, lawyers and drug dealers, heck I remember when you had to pay for caller id and voice mail) on a cell phone.
In Michigan, they bought the old Airtouch network and the subscriber base. If you stayed on Airtouch and you didn't migrate over, you were charged a fee to stay as a Airtouch customer.
I know this was true, because I moved over to AT&T and my parents and sister stayed on Airtouch. Every month, they were hit with a fee. I believe the fee was like 10% to 15% of your monthly bill (dependent upon rate plan and features), Essentially, if your bill was 29.99 and you had zero features (no ...
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In Michigan, they bought the old Airtouch network and the subscriber base. If you stayed on Airtouch and you didn't migrate over, you were charged a fee to stay as a Airtouch customer.
I know this was true, because I moved over to AT&T and my parents and sister stayed on Airtouch. Every month, they were hit with a fee. I believe the fee was like 10% to 15% of your monthly bill (dependent upon rate plan and features), Essentially, if your bill was 29.99 and you had zero features (no ...
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WTF 🤣
#1 TDMA customers represent the smallest group of customers that Cingy has and if they are holding on to it is b/c they live out in the woods and it has coverage there. I guess that counts TMo out b/c if you drive off the interstate your phones are useless.
#2 There is absolutely no proof of this what-so-ever and it will not hold up in court.
#3 Who cares about names? Hmmm...Aerial, VoiceStream, TMo 😳
TMo will not give any of the big three major competition. Woopty do they have added new sites, who has not, if you haven't read, no one has invested more money into their network than Cingular. Also, VZ and Sprint are light years ahead of them and Cingy will have most major markets covered by the end of the year wit...
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#1 TDMA customers represent the smallest group of customers that Cingy has and if they are holding on to it is b/c they live out in the woods and it has coverage there. I guess that counts TMo out b/c if you drive off the interstate your phones are useless.
#2 There is absolutely no proof of this what-so-ever and it will not hold up in court.
#3 Who cares about names? Hmmm...Aerial, VoiceStream, TMo 😳
TMo will not give any of the big three major competition. Woopty do they have added new sites, who has not, if you haven't read, no one has invested more money into their network than Cingular. Also, VZ and Sprint are light years ahead of them and Cingy will have most major markets covered by the end of the year wit...
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#1. Hey if cingular wants to sell out on their TDMA Customers then i say go for it......at least with T-Mobile i aint payin an extra $120 for keeping my same phone!! I mean come on, one lady actually got let off her contract because cingular admitted to digrading her AT&T Network which wasnt in her service agreement which she signed with AT&T. When they merged cingular promise AT&T cusotmer's that both networks will remain strong!!
#2.And lets face it, facts are facts.....we were voicestream and did we make those customer's pay anything extra for keeping their phone?? NOPE!!
And #3. Weither anybody or likes it or not we all know that cingular has & is going to lose a majority of their customer's due to their recent actions!!
#2.And lets face it, facts are facts.....we were voicestream and did we make those customer's pay anything extra for keeping their phone?? NOPE!!
And #3. Weither anybody or likes it or not we all know that cingular has & is going to lose a majority of their customer's due to their recent actions!!
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#1 Did she name what rep she talked to who told her this. No b/c it did not happen. And they are not selling out any customers. If it is costing them more money to have them, then it looks like they are just getting their money's worth. Cingy would be selling them out if they terminated their service but that is not the case. Like I said, the lawsuit does not have a leg to stand on.
#2 You did not have 2 b/c it was the same technology. You are comparing apples to oranges. TDMA and GSM are a little different. If it was a GSM to GSM transaction there would not be a problem. I still have a friend who uses his ATT GSM phone and has not had any problems.
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#2 You did not have 2 b/c it was the same technology. You are comparing apples to oranges. TDMA and GSM are a little different. If it was a GSM to GSM transaction there would not be a problem. I still have a friend who uses his ATT GSM phone and has not had any problems.
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#2.And lets face it, facts are facts.....we were voicestream and did we make those customer's pay anything extra for keeping their phone?? NOPE!!
also keep in mind that you were maintaing the same crappy gsm 1900 network. and life isnt fair theyre doing ir because they know the people will pay the fine. my friends mom renewed her contract with ATT right before the merger, when att was giving away minutes. she pays 50 a month for 1000 minutes and 2 phones, so 55 wont be making her cry, and you can say t-mobile is improving or what ever, its still going to be t-mobile, in a couple of years maybe it will be a "big" competitor, look how long its taken verizon and cingular/att to build up th...
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And #3. Weither anybody or likes it or not we all know that cingular has & is going to lose a majority of their customer's due to their recent actions!!
How's the E? 🙄
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Worst statement ever.
TMo will not give any of the big three major competition.
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Keep talking all you want. The first time T-Mobile USA's customer base overtakes Cingular's, then say something that I won't take with a grain of salt.
T-Mobile is cool, but I couldn't live with it right now.
T-Mobile is cool, but I couldn't live with it right now.
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i 2nd that, but they are good enough for my little niece and nephew who i purchased prepay for.
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Oh for sure. If I was tight on cash I would probably go for a cheapy T-Mob plan for myself.
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mistercrinkles said:
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People are just so silly arguing about what is better or worse. There is no one size fits all. Use what works for you and hopefully everyone else will take that hint and use what works for them!
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Than why are all you non-T-mo subscribers here in this forum anyway? Obviously T-Mobile strikes some sort of attraction for you all to be here and post here!!
Bottom line is: Cingular is screwing there AT&T customer's for charging them extra to keep their TDMA service, changing there name *once again* & most importantly purposly degrading the TDMA network when they promised BOTH AT&T GSM/TDMA & Cingular's network would stay strong & only get better for everybody!! So can you honestly tell me they were fair & honest to "All" their customer's? What about those customers who have their TDMA in an area that has no GSM?? Why should they pay an extra $5 to keep their already crappy phone so they can keep service? And what about the customers w...
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Bottom line is: Cingular is screwing there AT&T customer's for charging them extra to keep their TDMA service, changing there name *once again* & most importantly purposly degrading the TDMA network when they promised BOTH AT&T GSM/TDMA & Cingular's network would stay strong & only get better for everybody!! So can you honestly tell me they were fair & honest to "All" their customer's? What about those customers who have their TDMA in an area that has no GSM?? Why should they pay an extra $5 to keep their already crappy phone so they can keep service? And what about the customers w...
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Cingular's Lawsuit Link: http://abcnews.go.com/Business/IndustryInfo/w ireStory?id=2162340
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KSJSharks said:
Bottom line is: Cingular is screwing there AT&T customer's for charging them extra to keep their TDMA service, changing there name *once again* & most importantly purposly degrading the TDMA network when they promised BOTH AT&T GSM/TDMA & Cingular's network would stay strong & only get better for everybody!!
Bottom line: None of what you mentioned will effect Cingular's status as the number one carrier in the U.S. by subscribers. You have absolutely NO proof Cingular's "degrading" their legacy networks purposely. And that whole "charging TDMA customers more" thing will be a moot point come 2008. You sound like a conspiracist. Give it up. Please.
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well when you say the sexond best carrier is going to fall, it strikes an interest
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KSJSharks said:
And what about the customers who migrated from AT&T to Cingular cause they hated AT&T? What is Cingular to say when there AT&T again? You cant hoestly tell me that they'd all be more than happy to go back to AT&T do you?
Welcome to Logic 101.
Lesson 1:
A name change is not the equivalent to a company change. 😲
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Period.
Were you fired by Cingular for incompetence? You sure show it here.
P.S. And you claim you used to work for Cingular? The $5 charge is for customers using TDMA phones. So, far they are realising that is time to upgrade... They are coming to our stores and are upgrading their phones. Most of them are surprised about how much better their service is on GSM.
They are even coming back and adding lines to their accounts due to this...
The whole $5 charge is a wake up call to get them on GSM, that's all.
Were you fired by Cingular for incompetence? You sure show it here.
P.S. And you claim you used to work for Cingular? The $5 charge is for customers using TDMA phones. So, far they are realising that is time to upgrade... They are coming to our stores and are upgrading their phones. Most of them are surprised about how much better their service is on GSM.
They are even coming back and adding lines to their accounts due to this...
The whole $5 charge is a wake up call to get them on GSM, that's all.
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The real 3 reasons 😈
1. Cingular not German.
2. No Catherine.
3. Cingular doesn't have Nokia 8801.
Wait... did I just say Cingular is not European? 😛
And yes, I was extremely bored thus this post. Feel free to make intelligent comments.
1. Cingular not German.
2. No Catherine.
3. Cingular doesn't have Nokia 8801.
Wait... did I just say Cingular is not European? 😛
And yes, I was extremely bored thus this post. Feel free to make intelligent comments.
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carlsberg said:
The real 3 reasons 😈
2. No Catherine.
😁 LOL yeah, just some little orange guy with his arms and legs stretched out
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KSJSharks -
The majority of TDMA customers are still on the service for a reason. Most of the ones we see are on govt prepaid service that is around 18cents/min and they spend an average of around $8-$10 a month and that is why they keep it because no one can give them the same coverage for the price they are paying currently. The other ones use it because it works in BFE where NO ONE else has service. So I understand yours and the customers frustration with the $5 TDMA legacy charge but these customers don't have a better option. Who do they have to switch to if no one else offers service there?
I used to sell t-mo and I think they are a great company but as an indirect company we switched to cingular for a reason. They are a much stron...
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The majority of TDMA customers are still on the service for a reason. Most of the ones we see are on govt prepaid service that is around 18cents/min and they spend an average of around $8-$10 a month and that is why they keep it because no one can give them the same coverage for the price they are paying currently. The other ones use it because it works in BFE where NO ONE else has service. So I understand yours and the customers frustration with the $5 TDMA legacy charge but these customers don't have a better option. Who do they have to switch to if no one else offers service there?
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I understand that & thanks for the info that we all here know but the majority of AT&T/Cingular's customers is not ganna see it that way.....Cingular will have a heavy loss due to their recent actions. And their competitors like T-Mobile for example who already has a much better customer service & value for customer's in every aspect, has huge plans ahead & has showed it as of late. They've increased their network by 56% in just one yr.
T-Mobile is also going to launch their T-Mobile 5 in september that will "for sure" wipe out the meaning & value of rollover!! Each customer will have 5 ppl they can talk to (any network, including landlines) absolutly free & they will still have there same amount of minuets (including Unlimited nights & w...
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T-Mobile is also going to launch their T-Mobile 5 in september that will "for sure" wipe out the meaning & value of rollover!! Each customer will have 5 ppl they can talk to (any network, including landlines) absolutly free & they will still have there same amount of minuets (including Unlimited nights & w...
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dude I already told you that even with the $5 surcharge the tdma plan is still the best option. Does t-mo offer analog coverage in the middle of nowhere? Nope sorry, not around here. I doubt those customers are going with t-mo. I understand the "get more" montra which is awesome but as many have said there isn't one size shoe fits all for cell providers. T-mobile is a great great company like I already said but you act like they are going to go from zero to hero overnight. It is not going to happen. Thats awesome that t-mo put up 650 towers but I think cingy put up a few more actually i think they invested around 6.6 billion in network upgrades last year and they are doing the same thing this year and next year. T-mo has always been pushing ...
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dude I already told you that even with the $5 surcharge the tdma plan is still the best option. Does t-mo offer analog coverage in the middle of nowhere? Nope sorry, not around here. I doubt those customers are going with t-mo. I understand the "get more" montra which is awesome but as many have said there isn't one size shoe fits all for cell providers. T-mobile is a great great company like I already said but you act like they are going to go from zero to hero overnight. It is not going to happen. Thats awesome that t-mo put up 650 towers but I think cingy put up a few more actually i think they invested around 6.6 billion in network upgrades last year and they are doing the same thing this year and next
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thank god!, we all know the problems of analog, horrible voice quality and inefficient use of spectrum, what all carriers should be doing now is expanding digital coverage in rural areas so they wont have to use analog just because it has better range, i wonder if tmo will provide service in the 850mhz band because that band has better range and coverage will expand dramatically
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thank god!, we all know the problems of analog, horrible voice quality and inefficient use of spectrum, what all carriers should be doing now is expanding digital coverage in rural areas so they wont have to use analog just because it has better range, i wonder if tmo will provide service in the 850mhz band because that band has better range and coverage will expand dramatically
T-Mobile will *never* provide service with 850 since they are not and never have been one of the A or B cellular carriers. The only way that they could possibly do that is to buy out one of the cellular carriers which mostly would mean that they would buy out cingulat&t. I highly doubt that this will ever happen, ...
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T-Mobile will *never* provide service with 850 since they are not and never have been one of the A or B cellular carriers. The only way that they could possibly do that is to buy out one of the cellular carriers which mostly would mean that they would buy out cingulat&t. I highly doubt that this will ever happen, but never say never. What's more likely is that T-Mobile may sign more 850 roaming agreements (perhaps even with cingular.) T-Mobile will never have any native 1900 service.
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dave73 said:You actualy mean they won't have native 850 coverage.
I meant only what I said. They will not have native 850 coverage unless they buy a cellular carrier. There are only two cellular carriers per market. Usually that means cingular is one and Verizon is another but that's not always the case.
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Well it sounds like t-mo is going to put everyone out of business not just cingy. Then they can start buying other countries and it will be global domination. T-mobile= total domination mobile!!!!! Get more!!!!!! w00t!!!!!!
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KSJSharks said:
Cingular will have a heavy loss due to their recent actions.
Yeah, Cingular's customers are leaving them by the millions. It's on the front page of the "Fantasy Gazzette". The sky is falling!
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You make it seem like customers are stupid. Is that the award winning customer service you have since you should b/c you have half the customer base of the big 2. Hey, I think it is great that TMo has added new sites but they are not the only ones who are upgrading and filling in the holes. Cingular spent more money last year and will spend more money this year than any other carrier on upgrades. As for TMo going after the spectrum hard, hell they need it. Sprint, Cingular, & VZ have more than enough spectrum to launch new services as they are doing. And I seriously doubt TMo will launch 3G everywhere. It would not be cost effective for them to do so. They might stick up a wi-fi spot or something but that is not going to happen. Why...
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correction on the towers:
"T-Mobile’s Engineering & Operations team not only met their Q2 goal of building 780 new cell sites in Q2, but exceeded it by seven percent! That’s right – 837 new cell sites were brought on the air between April and June as T-Mobile marches toward improving coverage in urban areas and meeting its Big Six Objective of making Dramatic Suburban Network Quality Improvements."
"T-Mobile’s Engineering & Operations team not only met their Q2 goal of building 780 new cell sites in Q2, but exceeded it by seven percent! That’s right – 837 new cell sites were brought on the air between April and June as T-Mobile marches toward improving coverage in urban areas and meeting its Big Six Objective of making Dramatic Suburban Network Quality Improvements."
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I *personally* dont believe that cingular's not ganna stay on top much longer for these 3 reason's:
#1. Cingular is ganna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.
#2. Cingular is currently going through a lawsuit in california for purposely degrading the AT&T Network and forcing customers to switch to their GSM Network. Cingular promised both at&t cusotmers & cingular customers that both networks will be maintained and only get better. How unfair dont ya think?
#3. The Cingular brand name will be changed to the AT&T brand name here in the near future d
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muchdrama said:...KSJSharks said:
I *personally* dont believe that cingular's not ganna stay on top much longer for these 3 reason's:
#1. Cingular is ganna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.
#2. Cingular is currently going through a lawsuit in california for purposely degrading the AT&T Network and forcing customers to switch to their GSM Network. Cingular promised both at&t cusotmers & cingular customers that both networks will be maintained and only get better. How unfair dont ya think?
#3. The Cingular brand name will be changed to the AT&T
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Sprint added 3G and last quarter look at their net adds. Cingular has 3G in a few cities and they still outperformed them. It is going to take more than 3G to make any major strides. The fact is it will take TMo over 10 years of great quarters and Cingy 10 years of horrible quarters before you to overtake them in subscribers and be taken seriously by them. All you might do is piss them off and they terminate the roaming agreements 🤣
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Cingular/ATTWS will not fall
however, they need to adjust their attitude
currently, I see a lot of hofo members switched from Cingular to T-Mobile, that catches my eyes
when I look at Cingular forum, I found a lot of issues (billing problem, roaming policy, blue feature shutoff.....) that irritates some customers
however, they need to adjust their attitude
currently, I see a lot of hofo members switched from Cingular to T-Mobile, that catches my eyes
when I look at Cingular forum, I found a lot of issues (billing problem, roaming policy, blue feature shutoff.....) that irritates some customers
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Why would hofo members leaving catch your eye. Look at Cingular's overall churn rate and that will give you a better take on the issues. I dont necessarily think that they need their attitudes adjusted. I know 3 people at my job who had ATT and they were givin the world. Allowed to upgrade ahead of schedule, credits to their bills when it was clearly their fault, and had their a** kissed when they threatened to go to another carrier. I used to tell them I wish I could get away with that. What has happened is that Cingular is not going to allow customers to walk all over them. This is something TMo, VZ, or Sprint will not allow. When consumers are used to getting over and the buck stop then they raise hell. These are issues that TMo ...
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amen, I can't tell you how many legacy plan att customers I have come in that are on 29.99/month plans with 1000 min unl n&w at 7pm with 15% off their monthly service! Then they seem to act pissed off when no one offers anything close to it. Get Real!!!! I think many customers will welcome the return of at&t name because they were familiar with the name and the handouts they received.
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Only the name is changing. The name AT&T is known overseas. That is it. So far, no intentions on changing plan rates or policies.
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If T-Mobile was US Owned then i could understand how they could not be a solid competitor with cingular. But they are German owned by Deutsche Telekom & actually have T-Mobile service in 9 other countries which are by far way ahead of cingular's Technology.
T-Mobile USA is Deutsche Telekom's newest Market & that is the ONLY reason why were far behind our competiors. But Deutsche Telekom already stated some huge & major changes ahead for their T-Mobile USA Market that will be even better then Verizon's Network. And that is also another reason why they didnt sell T-Mobile USA.
If Deutsche Telekom thought it would take (as you said) 10 yrs to catch up to cingular wouldnt you think they'd sell their T-Mobile USA market when they had the ...
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T-Mobile USA is Deutsche Telekom's newest Market & that is the ONLY reason why were far behind our competiors. But Deutsche Telekom already stated some huge & major changes ahead for their T-Mobile USA Market that will be even better then Verizon's Network. And that is also another reason why they didnt sell T-Mobile USA.
If Deutsche Telekom thought it would take (as you said) 10 yrs to catch up to cingular wouldnt you think they'd sell their T-Mobile USA market when they had the ...
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man you must write this stuff write out of a t-mo newsletter. T-mo USA last time I heard was the only thing keeping deutchse telekom profitable. They had massive layoffs in their foreign markets and have had financial difficulties. Thats why they didn't sell t-mo usa. DT is a large provider in europe but they aren't number one. Vodafone is much much larger!!!
This is a good article
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=27058 »
This is a good article
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=27058 »
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I think Vodafone doesn't manage network pretty well
in Kuwait, Vodafone is MTC, the call quality is bad.....a lot of hiss, static, no EDGE outside Kuwait City, while the competitor, Wataniya, is a lot better
in Kuwait, Vodafone is MTC, the call quality is bad.....a lot of hiss, static, no EDGE outside Kuwait City, while the competitor, Wataniya, is a lot better
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man you must write this stuff write out of a t-mo newsletter. T-mo USA last time I heard was the only thing keeping deutchse telekom profitable. They had massive layoffs in their foreign markets and have had financial difficulties. Thats why they didn't sell t-mo usa. DT is a large provider in europe but they aren't number one. Vodafone is much much larger!!!
This is a good article
http://rcrnews.com/news.cms?newsId=27058
Actually, on a world-wide scale Telekom is number six as far as the number of customers. cingular is number twelve.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Largest_mobile_phone_co ... »
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And whats your point? Just because a company is large doesn't mean its earnings are through the roof. Read the article.
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Blah! Blah! Blah! again! Cingular and Verizon has 2 to 2.5 times as many subscribers. Meaning they can do much more than Duesch(whatever). Not to mention they are backed up the deep pockets of ATT & VZ phone co's. Once again I think it is great that TMo is looking at advancing but you are already light years behind and do you in your right mind think that Cingy, VZW, or Sprint is gonna stop to let you catch up. BTW T-Mo oversees is not really ahead of Cingular either. They both have HSDPA released and if you look at the number of markets and compare them you will be able to see this. Also, Europe has a standard in wireless which speeds up the deloyment of services like this. The only reason Cingular is having any difficulties at relea...
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personally I like ATTWS better than Cingular
SBC did a wrong move, they did not measure the quality of the brand, if SBC changed Cingular into ATTWS after requistion, the story may be different
I remember DT did not change Voicestream to TMUS right away after acquistion
SBC did a wrong move, they did not measure the quality of the brand, if SBC changed Cingular into ATTWS after requistion, the story may be different
I remember DT did not change Voicestream to TMUS right away after acquistion
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I dont think that it matters that much. Just trying to get everything named the same.
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The main reason why Cingular bought out ATTWS was existing declining in subscribers, and great assets that are not being utilized with both towers and most importantly 3g spectrum.
The name ATTWS was not a very good name in the marketplace, although AT&T is which doesn’t make any sense. Nonetheless, it will be interesting if they say AT&T or ATTWS again.
The name ATTWS was not a very good name in the marketplace, although AT&T is which doesn’t make any sense. Nonetheless, it will be interesting if they say AT&T or ATTWS again.
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first cingy has spent 15 billion in 2006 on network expansion next year 18 billion. so they wont be going anywhere for awhile
second AT&T and bellsouth HAVE NOT MERGED it still has to pass the Federal regulators
third Tmobile using mostly cingys signal in a large part of there coverage. (called roaming agreement.)
fourth. what does tmobile have for data planned EDGE.
fifth if At&t does merge then that will give cingy A huge cash flow for network development
sixth as far as t-mobile spending the most on the auction that is because they need it the most cingy sprint verizon dont need the spectrum's that bad
second AT&T and bellsouth HAVE NOT MERGED it still has to pass the Federal regulators
third Tmobile using mostly cingys signal in a large part of there coverage. (called roaming agreement.)
fourth. what does tmobile have for data planned EDGE.
fifth if At&t does merge then that will give cingy A huge cash flow for network development
sixth as far as t-mobile spending the most on the auction that is because they need it the most cingy sprint verizon dont need the spectrum's that bad
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1. Great point, but spending a lot of money sometimes proves out to be a bad move especially if there isn’t a return on the investment. They need to focus more on data and prepaid as voice and postpaid soon will start to decline, however, you are wrong with your capital expenditure spending because it wont be $16B it will be around $6B-$7B. Next year, they will be spending around $7b-$8b, not $18b that you just mentioned. (perhaps you put that “1” by accident)
2. Very true, but most likely it will pass because many of the states have approved it. They can say that they can target everyone from telephone companies, satellite companies, and cable companies.
3. Well they all do roaming agreements but if T-Mobile is successful with the auct...
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2. Very true, but most likely it will pass because many of the states have approved it. They can say that they can target everyone from telephone companies, satellite companies, and cable companies.
3. Well they all do roaming agreements but if T-Mobile is successful with the auct...
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cloud2819 said:
third Tmobile using mostly cingys signal in a large part of there (sic) coverage. (called roaming agreement.)
Better check that out again. There are some roaming agreements with cingular but that's only in areas where T-Mobile does not have service and even then not always there as well such as in the Carolinas where they do not use cingular any longer they use Suncom.
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I think T-Mobile is going to buy Suncom. There are several indicators that this is a distinct possibility.
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As I mentioned earlier T-Mobile, buying Suncom is a horrible idea. (You can see my post)
Some facts about Suncom…
SunCom Wireless, formally named Triton PCS, is based in Berwyn, Philadelphia, with a focus on the
Southeast region of the United States, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. SunCom was formed in February
1998, when it became an AT&T Wireless affiliate company. Following AT&T Wireless's merger with
Cingular, SunCom exchanged properties with Cingular and became an independent regional wireless
company. Today, the company has approximately 18.3 million licensed POPs.
Q2 2006 RESULTS.
Net ads were 24.3K
Churn was 2.2%
ARPU (not including roaming) was $52.89
Total subs; 1,032,000
At the end of Q2, TPC had $257...
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Some facts about Suncom…
SunCom Wireless, formally named Triton PCS, is based in Berwyn, Philadelphia, with a focus on the
Southeast region of the United States, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. SunCom was formed in February
1998, when it became an AT&T Wireless affiliate company. Following AT&T Wireless's merger with
Cingular, SunCom exchanged properties with Cingular and became an independent regional wireless
company. Today, the company has approximately 18.3 million licensed POPs.
Q2 2006 RESULTS.
Net ads were 24.3K
Churn was 2.2%
ARPU (not including roaming) was $52.89
Total subs; 1,032,000
At the end of Q2, TPC had $257...
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No reason for T-Mobile to buy Suncom because Suncom is not doing that great while T-Mobile is doing quite well. T-Mobile is bidding for spectrum in some of the areas where Suncom operators so there is no point of buying Suncom. The majority of the company is on its spectrum, towers, and around 1.2 million customers or more (have not checked lately). T-Mobile isn’t that desperate and if they are successful in buying spectrum in those areas, there is no need to spend more than $2.5 billion on Suncom just based on 1.2 million customers times an appropriate multiple ($2000 each sub) for them and it doesn’t include any multiple for spectrum. (As you know, it is based really on number of subscribers times a multiple.) They only have 18.8 million...
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KSJSharks said:...
I *personally* dont believe that cingular's not gonna stay on top much longer for these 3 reason's:
#1. Cingular is gonna start charging its AT&T customer's $5 to stay with their phone & plan. Once that happens we all can agree that 99% of them will not stay with cingular after their contract with AT&T is up.-not true TDMA and analog customers are going to be charged 5.00.
#2. Cingular is currently going through a lawsuit in California for purposely degrading the AT&T Network and forcing customers to switch to their GSM Network. Cingular promised both at&t cusotmers & cingular customers that both networks will be maintained and only get better. How unfair don't ya think? These customers need to get
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You might want to check your post again. All you have is that other guy's original posting without a response of your own.
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Lets face it, every carrier has their share of naysayers. It's almost a moot point. Even though I've been a t-mobile customer for 4 years, i do believe there are some areas that do need improvement if they expect to remain competitive. I'm also not particularly picky on phones but i also believe they are far behind the competition with phone selection.
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