Debt has increased from $13 to $15 billion dollars. $8 billion up to $11 billion not including shares.

That about sums it up.

In the second quarter, T-Mobile has gained 970,000 customers. Source: nextel18

What does that have to do with debt?

Nothing.

ok then. Bringing new customers does nothing for debt, yet cutting advertising would be disasterous?! Wow, double standard! I am glad you don't own a business!

I'm glad you assume things. I don't own a business? You think you know... 🙄

900,000 customers isn't going to lowere their debt. You understand, debt raised by 38% in the same quarter that they added those customers. What were all the new customers from Q1 doing for their debt? Certainly not lowering it. 😉

I know that. all I was saying is that 900,000 is certainly more helpful than harmful.

Actually, it's from the Frankfurt Times. And the 38% debt in crease was for DT not T-Mobile USA.

just...don't try to explain anything to him, he is a Cingular customer...

I'll give you a twenty dollar bill if you shut up about Cingular already. That should get you by for about..what...5 months worth of T-Mobile service?

Jokes are fun, aren't they?

just shut up and give me tha money! 👿

Figures...

come on fork ova tha dough! And through in a free phone while ur at it!!!!

now you're starting to sound like some of the customers I get to talk to in retention lol...

My bad, Financial Times.

http://news.ft.com/cms/s/0a5fa82e-0a39-11da-aa9b-000 ... »

:-)

iloveMOTOV300 said:
In the second quarter, T-Mobile has gained 970,000 customers. Source: nextel18

You mean CRAPTEL?

omg, you are so right! I am cancelling my T-Mobile contract right now and am going to Cingular where I pay not only twice as much for my minutes, but I will be getting crappy "Customer Service" and mysterious overage charges on every bill yes!!!!

Was that supposed to be funny?

I'm not saying that T-Mobile is going under anytime soon but they're never going to get ANYWHRE if they keep kissing their customers' asses. Yeah, J.D. Power awards for getting free crap when a mistake is made is almost worth it. At least we'll see companies like Cingular and Verizon in the future, because they don't have to kiss their customers' asses.

My point is, T-Mobile doesn't have enough money as it is. DT isn't happy with the money that T-Mobile is eating. $11 billion in debt is a lot. Where are they going to pull 3G from if they keep blowing their money on giving away service?

If this continues, I don't think you're going to be so happy with T-Mobile in the future.

Cingular does not kiss thier customers' asses, they screw thier customers in the ass.

T-Mobile does not make many mistakes unlike Cingular.

Okay, well Verizon is not in great standings either... you do realize that a lot of your "facts" have been wrong? Everyone has their opinions and are entitled to them, but when you make statements with corrupted and/or inaccurate facts it only makes you seem ignorant and pampas?

Practically every post I have made tonight was opinion. You must choose whether you agree with me or not. I'm not here to make friends. Ignorant and pompous (you spelled it wrong)? Well if I had been misgiving information, then I would accept that, however I don't belive that I have.

I don't recall stating so many facts as you are implying that I made. Please point out the "corrupted and/or inaccurate facts" and I'll gladly take note of them. I believe you'll be hard pressed to find them.

Since we're talking about the truthfulness behind the "facts", what is your reasoning that Verizon is not in great standings?

I'm not expecting a reply considering:

1. The few facts that I brought into discussion (because they weren't necessary) were all true.

and

2. This is only your second post in the 8 month period you have been registered with this site.

Thanks for trying!

gabby has linguini for brains! ha ha! j/k 🤣

First look up the definition for pampas that I used, it was not intended as pompous (and if you want to talk about spelling re-read your posts). I sell Verizon, T-mobile, Nextel, Sprint and Cingular so despite the infrequent posts I’m rather informed. The number of hotheaded statements one makes does not determine Intelligent. As far as false information the examples are numerous from the few posts I did read.

1.)Cricket does not sell their own towers due to the fact that they lease their towers from other companies.
2.) AT&T did not sell due to financial problems, but rather opted for a more lucrative opportunity
3.) AT&T only handed out “free minutes” on the TDMA side of their service (which Cingular still continues to do). ...
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Gabby399 said:
First look up the definition for pampas that I used, it was not intended as pompous (and if you want to talk about spelling re-read your posts). I sell Verizon, T-mobile, Nextel, Sprint and Cingular so despite the infrequent posts I’m rather informed. The number of hotheaded statements one makes does not determine Intelligent. As far as false information the examples are numerous from the few posts I did read.

1.)Cricket does not sell their own towers due to the fact that they lease their towers from other companies.
2.) AT&T did not sell due to financial problems, but rather opted for a more lucrative opportunity
3.) AT&T only handed out “free minutes” on the TDMA side of their service (which

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Look up the other meanings, it means plain, uninteresting or flat. Here is your comment "Cricket randomly shuts their towers off every so often." We also never had a AT&T charter plans. I will give you the Cingulars reps phone number (who also worked for AT&T) and you can talk to him about it. Common you need help... you don't even work for a cell company, reading consumer reports does not make you know everything. https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php ?fm=m&ff=5&fi=358043#

There weren't any other definitions in my dictionary. 😲

We never had AT&T Charter Plans? Okay, you either are unbrilliant or a liar. Or possibly an unbrilliant liar. Which one is it?

https://www.phonescoop.com/news/item.php?n=286 »

The charter plan was a special promotion that AT&T was offering just to keep a stranglehold on the GSM customers that they already had. Unlimited minutes for $99.99 a month. Those plans destroyed their profit, and GSM customers with the charter plan bogged the network (25/7) so much that AT&T was plagued with a reputation of bad network reliability. That is one of the roots of AT&T's mistakes. That plan tarnished their name and put them on a downhill roll. Other things of course contributed to AT...
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*(24/7)

RUFF1415 said:
Other things of course contributed to AT&T's slide too, though.

Namely a disastrous new software rollout that all but crippled ATTWS' ability to port.

Yes, I know. They actually lost $100,000,000 in a five minute time period after LNP was launched.

I'll be looking for that article. It was fully of very, very interesting information on the topic.

Cricket is a subsidiary of Leap Wireless, but they still own their own spectrum and equipment, basically their own network altogether where Leap is not available (which they are not in my area). They are still responsible for maintaining their equipment. They have the abilitiy to do maintenance on any tower they please, at any time the please. No matter how you look at it, the point was that because they shut off their equipment (better?), my friend decided to cancel. Instead of just allowing him to go elsewhere they offered him several months of free service. That is why Cricket went under, giving away the house and such.

Saying that they shut of their towers (which they do own here) isn't a big deal. They were the ones resp...
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I never suggested that you were a disgruntled customer. I don't doubt that T-Mobile has always been good to you either. The point of my post was that if they give away things for free, they're going to start moving backwards not forwards. I'm not dissing T-Mobile as a cellular company, I'm criticizing their business strategy, because they obviously have none. A few years ago T-Mobile was bleeding so much money that DT wanted to pull from the US market altogether. It seemed like they were on the right track for awhile there but their debt is growing deeper and deeper once again.

With expenses such as spectrum and the infrastructure for a 3G network, T-Mobile is falling behind. They aren't going to keep up if they can't afford what ot...
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yeah and Ruff thinks that gaining almost 1 million customers has nothing to do with debt, yet if T-Mobile cut back on advertising it would be a disasterous move! Hilarious! 🤣

Well, that is interesting. Cutting advertising can be detrimental, but if the company simply cuts advertisement funding and not completely eliminates it, it should be ok. Gaining customers however doesn't much equate to debt simply because the company may not use the new revenue to pay off debt based on business strategy. So, there is no direct correlation for either new customers or advertisement. It's based on how much of their profit was put towards their debt. And to be honest T-Mobile USA the profitable arm of DT has no control of what DT puts into the debt.

that is also true. T-Mobile USA is not completely independant. So if they are in debt because of DT then there is nothing T-MO USA can do.

T-Mobile USA has been DT's more profitable subsidiary. It would take a hell of an investment to bring us where we need to be as far as the competition in coverage size and 3G rollout, but at the same time, we aren't doing BAD. Many people like our service, and it works well for them. So, let it be at that.

That's pretty much what I think. T-Mobile USA is the largest money maker for DT. The debt increase is at the DT level. And that is pretty much it. 19.2 million customers and $387 million in net profit. But somehow people want to believe that T-Mobile is DT. It's part of DT, but the positive side. 😁

I can let it be at that, but most people on these forums can't because they are irrational.

Why have you been asking questions, posting insults, making senseless and bad jokes, and responding to every post you have come across on the subject then?

because it is fun, entertaining, and obviously you find it that way too otherwise you would have stopped posting an hour ago.

Besides what else is there to do now that they cancelled Friends?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

*mocks* "Glad you don't own a business!"

"ruff, ruff, ruff!" what's that?! I think I hear a dog barking on the T-Mobile forum.

The $11 billion of debt is solely T-Mobile USA's.

Why do you care. It is not your company, and you don't use thier products or services, so why do you even care? You came in here to pick a fight, and you got one, so leave already and quit wasting our time.

iloveMOTOV300 said:
Why do you care. It is not your company, and you don't use thier products or services, so why do you even care? You came in here to pick a fight, and you got one, so leave already and quit wasting our time.

1. I care because I don't think T-Mobile is a bad company. I don't want to see them struggle over something that could be prevented. I've seen it happen to a great company before. Not something I want to see happen again.
2. I didn't come in here to pick a fight. I have no reason to pick a fight, I think T-Mobile has the potential to remain a great company, they just need to take better action.
3. I got a fight? Where? I must have missed it.
4. I won't leave because I'...
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[insert response here]

Lost for words?

nope, I found them...

let's see...I have a "what" and a "type" and an "of" and a "phone" and a "do" and a "you" and finally a "have"

I found them all! Yay! Now to celebrate with some chocolate cake and icecream!

Okay...now try responding to this:

1. I care because I don't think T-Mobile is a bad company. I don't want to see them struggle over something that could be prevented. I've seen it happen to a great company before. Not something I want to see happen again.
2. I didn't come in here to pick a fight. I have no reason to pick a fight, I think T-Mobile has the potential to remain a great company, they just need to take better action.
3. I got a fight? Where? I must have missed it.
4. I won't leave because I've done nothing wrong. If you think I'm in here to pick a fight, then why are you always in the Verizon and Cingular forums hailing T-Mobile? I have never once brought up how great another company is in this forum. I came here to talk ab...
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I already did...

I assume that you hate them and want to fight because....

because it is fun, entertaining, and obviously you find it that way too otherwise you would have stopped posting an hour ago. Besides what else is there to do now that they cancelled "Friends"?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Nope, that was the response to this:

https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »

So are you avoiding that particular post because you feel stupid to know that I actually have the best interest in T-Mobile?

And another thing...what phone do you have?! 😁

I see no proof of that in any of the fincial forums.

Well considering their debt went up 38%, it still isn't looking so good.

Can you give me a link for that article? Is it from DT's website? I'm sure you understand that a company is going to put the best twist on things as possible to make their press release sound good. That would be a biased article, I assume you understand.

Look at it this way. I see 3 times more people getting T-Molbile or switching than any other carrier. All my friends have T-Moible and u know what everyone recommends T-Mobile so my friends friends are likely to get T-Mobile. It is pretty cool. As for the debt every company has debt but T-Mobile should have a strategy to pay off that debt. I think they should start off from cutting down on the T-Mobile commercials. Really i think they are spending wayyy too much money on commericals. What do u guys think.

I like Catherine Zeta Jones, but they would save a lot of money if they stopped using her for tv commercials.

I do know that Cingular has spent a lot on advertising because I see thier ads everywhere in Chicago, but they are a waste because T-Mobile still reigns the Chicago area market.

moeali85 said:
Look at it this way. I see 3 times more people getting T-Mobile or switching than any other carrier.

And they have the highest churn of any national player. Do you know what that means? You'll see 3 times as many people leaving T-Mobile as any other carrier. They only had 900,000 adds last quarter. How are you seeing 3 times more people getting T-Mobile than any other carrier?

moeali85 said:
T-Mobile should have a strategy to pay off that debt. I think they should start off from cutting down on the T-Mobile commercials. Really i think they are spending wayyy too much money on commericals. What do u guys think.

Honestly, that is the worst business mo...
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what carrier do you have, and aren't you a Cingular employee?!

I currently use Cingular. I'm also currently looking to resign another plan with Verizon.

I've used Bell Atlantic Mobile (before it was Verizon), Verizon, Sprint, Nextel (for a few days at most), AT&T, and Cingular in the past 8 years.

I do not work for Cingular. I do not work for any wireless company.

ok. So why does it matter what's going one with T-Mobile? Clearly what T-Mobile does has nothing to do with you. So why did you come in here and pick an argument?

In our company T-mobile has the highest activation and port over rate along with the second lowest return percentage, right behind nextel.

What company are you referring to?

In Q2 T-Mobile's churn rate was 2.9%. Off the top of my head I believe Verizon had 1.2%, Sprint had 2.7%, and Cingular had 2.2%. I can't recall Nextel's exact numbers but they were in the 1.x% range.

As far activations go Verizon had 1.9 million and Cingular had 1.1 million, both of which are obviously larger than T-Mobile's 970,000.

I do however, give credit to T-Mobile for sticking it to the big guys with their adds. Quite impressive when comparing the size difference of these companies.

um...I have like less than 6 months left. And these minutes are 50 Loyalty minutes. I don't know if you know this or not but let me let you in a little secret about the wireless business...

All carriers are not making enough money on calling plans alone. They heavily rely on people to download games, ringers, wallpapers, and to have text/picture messaging, email, internet, and so on. Verizon and Cingular are going to 3G so that they can make millions off of selling people short TV and Movie clips to download on thier phones. Most of the money wireless companies make depends heavily upon the extras, and NOT the calling plans.

If T-Mobile decided to give me a free game to download instead, then yes it would be a loss of money, but a...
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Ha, I've passed Wireless 101 with flying colors.

Meet your new professor. 😈

oh yeah?! Meet this: (Middle finger) 😈

Wow you know every carrier probally gives away bonus minutes. Sprint does it all the time. T mobile just came out with a new plan 39.99 that gives you 650 min that is 50 more min then the old plan was. Every carrier has to be flexible if they aren't they will lose customers. Which in the long run cost them more money.

Ruff:

1. No hard feelings at all, I was having fun with you.
2. You are nice, and all the people on the forum wish they could be half as smart as you.
3. I am hungry. Now let's see if I have any more of my linguini with clam sauce left.

So the middle finger was a friendly gesture? I would have never guessed! 😛

It was rather fun. Enjoy the linguini.

I only put that part in to be funny. Honestly the only people I show the middle finger to are:

-stupid drivers
-cab drivers
-the Pope
-and pretty much anyone from my hometown

😛

You must flip me off a lot. I'm a horrible driver... 😁

ha ha ha HA HA! Only if you pull out in front of me forcing me to slam on my breaks and then go only 20mph! 😁

I don't think I would be the one forcing you to hit the breaks. I ride bike, you'd squash me like a bug.... 🙂

lol oh no I haven't made a name for myself have I?

yeah, where the hell have you been?! You and muchdrama are entertaining gurus!!!!

well thanks lol I'll....try to learn some more tricks...

that's a good boy! Now here is your Scooby Snack! 😉

I guess I shuld get out more

lol. yes you should.

iloveMOTOV300 said:
Well I am the person who got free minutes, but I have actually been with T-Mobile for 2 years now. And I have renewed my contract about 1000 times in the two years.

So have I, I just renewed my contract for 12 more months and I'm getting a V3 Razr for 137.99 minus 69.99 off my bill so its about 67 bucks for a new razr! 🙂