AT&T White Sim Card Question
Maybe someone here can help . . .
I have an ATT White sim from their original GSM rollout in '02 and an old ATT plan with 7:00 nights.(I am in Pittsburgh, PA.) I have been hearing for some time now that Cingular will be cancelling old ATT plans and forcing everyone to migrate to orange. Can someone confirm this? Will this happen in all markets simultaneously? Has this already happened in some markets?
I read somewhere on here that there are still about 1 million subscribers on the old ATT plans with ATT sims. If that's true, will they bother to force them to migrate?
How does 3G figure into this? Will the 3G system support all of the old sims/plans?
Thanks for the help.
I have an ATT White sim from their original GSM rollout in '02 and an old ATT plan with 7:00 nights.(I am in Pittsburgh, PA.) I have been hearing for some time now that Cingular will be cancelling old ATT plans and forcing everyone to migrate to orange. Can someone confirm this? Will this happen in all markets simultaneously? Has this already happened in some markets?
I read somewhere on here that there are still about 1 million subscribers on the old ATT plans with ATT sims. If that's true, will they bother to force them to migrate?
How does 3G figure into this? Will the 3G system support all of the old sims/plans?
Thanks for the help.
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They are forcing them off, but it doesn't look like it's all at once. In my market it looks like they're getting rid of those unlimited plans first as they cost us the most money. I don't believe they'll do this across every market at the same time, but they've already started it in my market.
When you do migrate, you'll have to get a new phone and a new plan. With the new phone, you'll get a new 3G sim. Without a 3G sim, you cannot get 3G service.
When you do migrate, you'll have to get a new phone and a new plan. With the new phone, you'll get a new 3G sim. Without a 3G sim, you cannot get 3G service.
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I didn't know there were any Blue GSM customers that are being forced to migrate - what market are you in? I know that there have been a handful of forced migrates due to the conversion of Blue accounts (and lots of forced migrations for CRU customers), but as far as I've heard, forced migration for Blue GSM was a long way off.
Are there promotions available for these folks? Has there been any reason stated?
Are there promotions available for these folks? Has there been any reason stated?
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I'm in Dallas, and I've only had two customers come in with it. They were on the $99.99 unlimited plan and had to be off of that plan by December 12th. I was quite pleased when they brough in their letters.
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I was pretty sure that everyone with the Charter offer plan had to be off much earlier than that, but yeah, that one was too good to be true. I figured that the first letter/campaign (back in Feb, I believe) to eliminate the plan was the last word.
That plan was great, almost as awesome as the AT&T employee plan: unlimited minutes & data for . . FREE! 🙂
(sigh) Oh AT&T wireless. . . I miss you. 😢 🙄
That plan was great, almost as awesome as the AT&T employee plan: unlimited minutes & data for . . FREE! 🙂
(sigh) Oh AT&T wireless. . . I miss you. 😢 🙄
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Because those plans cost the company I work for a lot of money each money. They were something instituted by AT&T Wireless as a last "screw you" to everyone, and serve no purpose but to drive up the cost for other users who talk less because they have to pass the expense onto other customers.
I view people on those ridiculous AT&T plans as nothing but vultures preying on the millions of other customers.
I view people on those ridiculous AT&T plans as nothing but vultures preying on the millions of other customers.
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How much money exactly are they costing the company? Can you give me the exact numbers per user on the 99$ plan per month? Are thier phones being subsidized? umm are they calling Customer care excessively? What exactly does 1 minute or 1 Kb of data cost to flow through the infrastructure? Are they vultures like everyone who pays a flat rate for any kind of service ie data on Comcast\Cox\RCN\VZW etc etc? I'm just curious about real numbers.. if you have them..
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he doesn't. its just an excuse driven in his head by siggy and the boyz.
it doesnt cost the company a whole lot to provide their employees with $0 unlimited plans 😳
it doesnt cost the company a whole lot to provide their employees with $0 unlimited plans 😳
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Right... cus I'm on a $0 unlimited plan. It may be a shocker for you, but I do pay for my service. I don't have unlimited minutes. I have a pool of daytime minutes, with no night and weekend nor mobile to mobile. I also don't get my phones subsidized because I can't be on a contract.
Cingy nearly breaks even on the $39.99 450 minute plans. Now just think a little bit. Compare paying $39.99 and 450 minutes with $99.99 and unlimited minutes. Sure, if the person doesn't use much it's a good deal, but most of these people are using over 6k minutes a month. Other customers are paying $200 a month for that amount. Which is fair?
Also you can't compare a land based cable line service with wireless services. They're nothing alike.
Cingy nearly breaks even on the $39.99 450 minute plans. Now just think a little bit. Compare paying $39.99 and 450 minutes with $99.99 and unlimited minutes. Sure, if the person doesn't use much it's a good deal, but most of these people are using over 6k minutes a month. Other customers are paying $200 a month for that amount. Which is fair?
Also you can't compare a land based cable line service with wireless services. They're nothing alike.
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Right... cus I'm on a $0 unlimited plan. It may be a shocker for you, but I do pay for my service. I don't have unlimited minutes. I have a pool of daytime minutes, with no night and weekend nor mobile to mobile. I also don't get my phones subsidized because I can't be on a contract.
Cingy nearly breaks even on the $39.99 450 minute plans. Now just think a little bit. Compare paying $39.99 and 450 minutes with $99.99 and unlimited minutes. Sure, if the person doesn't use much it's a good deal, but most of these people are using over 6k minutes a month. Other customers are paying $200 a month for that amount. Which is fair?
Also you can't compare a land based cable line service with wireles
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wireLESS and wireLINE. Is that asinine enough for you?
When was the last time you bought a subsidized home phone? Both industries are run as a business, you sure did get that part right. They work the same once they get to a main exchange, but before that they don't. How far does your home phone work from your home? Oh wait, they only have to run cables into each home, not build towers every 10 square miles capable of receiving 800 frequencies each.
Let me make it easier for you.
Home phone = two wires leaving your house. Those wires meet a bunch of other wires down at the curb, and go from there to digital concentrator. From there it's fiber or coax.
Cell phone = one phone with two frequencies. After it breaks down, you ...
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When was the last time you bought a subsidized home phone? Both industries are run as a business, you sure did get that part right. They work the same once they get to a main exchange, but before that they don't. How far does your home phone work from your home? Oh wait, they only have to run cables into each home, not build towers every 10 square miles capable of receiving 800 frequencies each.
Let me make it easier for you.
Home phone = two wires leaving your house. Those wires meet a bunch of other wires down at the curb, and go from there to digital concentrator. From there it's fiber or coax.
Cell phone = one phone with two frequencies. After it breaks down, you ...
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Right... cus I'm on a $0 unlimited plan. It may be a shocker for you, but I do pay for my service. I don't have unlimited minutes. I have a pool of daytime minutes, with no night and weekend nor mobile to mobile. I also don't get my phones subsidized because I can't be on a contract.
Cingy nearly breaks even on the $39.99 450 minute plans. Now just think a little bit. Compare paying $39.99 and 450 minutes with $99.99 and unlimited minutes. Sure, if the person doesn't use much it's a good deal, but most of these people are using over 6k minutes a month. Other customers are paying $200 a month for that amount. Which is fair?
Also you can't compare a land based cable line service with wireles
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kissmySS said:
how do I know this? I went to a Cingular funded dinner one night out in Dallas, and they were showing all the numbers, churn, gains, percentages, and costs... and those were one of them.
Wow, I went to a Cingular funded dinner in November. Does that make me special too?
Let's assume the cost per minute figure you have is accurate. Is that the cost of operating the physical equipment, or does it include infrastructure? Daytime minutes are more costly because we have to build and maintain more towers to support the amount of people using the phone during daytime usage. Towers have a physical capacity that everyone shares, so you have to have one tower for about every 50 people using th...
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ralph_on_me said:...kissmySS said:
how do I know this? I went to a Cingular funded dinner one night out in Dallas, and they were showing all the numbers, churn, gains, percentages, and costs... and those were one of them.
Wow, I went to a Cingular funded dinner in November. Does that make me special too?
Let's assume the cost per minute figure you have is accurate. Is that the cost of operating the physical equipment, or does it include infrastructure? Daytime minutes are more costly because we have to build and maintain more towers to support the amount of people using the phone during daytime usage. Towers have a physical capacity that everyone shares, so you have to have one to
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Actually we were talking about my comment on how Cingular barely breaks even on the $39.99 plan. If being informed makes me childish, then I'm certainly proud to be.
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You must be confused as to what that(informed) means.. I asked you a question and you went off on some wierd psuedo comparison between Wireless and POTS - which I didn't bring up. KISS actually had the answer .002cts a minute (which probably covers electric/maint) As for your claim of cost being higher between 7am-9PM is a total farce. Do towers magically spring up between those times to handle the "peak" traffic? No?.. I didn't think so. Wireless Companies will build out their inf based on projected Customers in the area not what type of plan they have.
As for the 39.99 plan, If you mean it cost Cingy 37 a month for recouping Cap expenditures, phone subsidy, payroll, etc and then the profit is 2 bucks minus the 450X.oo2cts...
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As for the 39.99 plan, If you mean it cost Cingy 37 a month for recouping Cap expenditures, phone subsidy, payroll, etc and then the profit is 2 bucks minus the 450X.oo2cts...
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Eventually, you will have to move to a Cingular plan & give up your AT&T GSM plan. Right now, so far as I know, there's no plans for this. "Blue" customers are being actively encouraged/courted/invited to migrate (and Analog & TDMA customers are being forced to migrate), but it's not a requirement for anyone as long as you have a working GSM phone & AT&T Wireless SIM card. You could just get unlocked phones & continue on your Blue plan.
For 3G, you're out of luck. 3G functions are limited to Cingular plans only. I suppose it's theoretically possible to get it working, but you'd have to get that working yourself, as it's something that's not officially supported.
For 3G, you're out of luck. 3G functions are limited to Cingular plans only. I suppose it's theoretically possible to get it working, but you'd have to get that working yourself, as it's something that's not officially supported.
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ATT (blue) accounts are being converted into the cingular (orange) billing system. Customers do not have to get a new phone/sim/plan until they are ready. My market was converted a few months ago. When we pull a number up, it either says orange, blue, migrated, or converted.
There are no plans to "force" att customers (blue) onto cingular phones/plans/sims. If you do need to switch your phone (broken, lost, etc), you will have to get a Cingular plan and phone though.
There are no plans to "force" att customers (blue) onto cingular phones/plans/sims. If you do need to switch your phone (broken, lost, etc), you will have to get a Cingular plan and phone though.
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