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New Cingular rolover policy!!! suck

jack1435

Dec 1, 2005, 6:21 PM
Hello i need help over a while i have accumulated 12,000 minutes and now i want to add a line for a family member and they tell me i will loose my rollover I'm going up in service not downward! this policy sucks it should be you loose your lollover only if you are going down in plan why do you loose your rollover if you are going to give them more $$$ its messed up whats become of cingular??? 😕 😢
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longsleeves

Dec 1, 2005, 6:25 PM
If you have that many minutes why upgrade just yet go ahead blow them all first
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jack1435

Dec 1, 2005, 6:27 PM
i want to add a line for a family member do you reed?
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everman

Dec 1, 2005, 6:52 PM
What plan?
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jack1435

Dec 1, 2005, 7:03 PM
i used to have like 2000 mins but when i relized how many rollover i had i went down to 39.99 450 and i want toad a line now!
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everman

Dec 1, 2005, 7:31 PM
You should be able to add a line for 9.99 and keep your rollover balance because it isnt really a rate plan change, just an add a line. What state do you live in?
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jack1435

Dec 1, 2005, 10:11 PM
no because I have to switch to family plan and I live in nj
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cellularman2006

Dec 1, 2005, 7:36 PM
thats the EXACT reason why the policy changed in the 1st place!
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mysystemsareupdating

Dec 1, 2005, 9:55 PM
39.99 is not a family plan he has to change to a family talk plan to add on a line of service, unless he wants two individual plans
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awb17013

Dec 1, 2005, 10:08 PM
as a care rep, i am telling you to escalate the call. there is a retention policy in place for this kind of issue.
Since it is over 5000 minutes it requires that a floor manager to approve the exception. You will be allowed to keep your rollover minutes.
1) A trouble ticket, refered to as a "case" will also have to be filed to make sure you do not lose the roll overbalance when they go in to expire your minutes
2) a managers not must be in place to allow exception to go through.
3)make sure to get he ID for all the reps you talk to. ask for a CUID. it is your only recourse if the rep does not do their job. hope that helps
adam
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 2, 2005, 12:27 AM
Adam,
You know as well as I do that representatives are not allowed to give out their CUID's to customers. Also, you know as well as I do that there are resources pertaining to certain actions taken on the account. As soon as the account is noted, the CUID pops up anyway on the note. And, even if the account is not noted in detail, it will show any action taken along with that rep's CUID. In addition to this situation, you know for a fact that this customer will not be able to keep their rollover balance according to our new policy -- yes, managers have the ability to allow them to keep their current rollover when it comes to adjustments in numbers, but with the new policy they cannot do that. I work for the OOP and we deal with this s...
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 2, 2005, 12:30 AM
Also, the rollover adjustment team will not take this situation into consideration anyway. It happens everyday.
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mysystemsareupdating

Dec 2, 2005, 2:20 AM
thank you for clarifying that for anyone who wants to escalate
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elisjourney

Dec 2, 2005, 7:56 AM
Selling the Cingular Advantage to a customer who is upset that he is losing his huge rollover balance despite his loyalty to Cingular is like putting lipstick on a pig. 🙄
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lordrevan05

Dec 6, 2005, 5:11 PM
😉 Hey now Ms Piggy is darn cute!
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awb17013

Dec 2, 2005, 11:09 AM
supermanskryptonite in our call centers we have to give that information out. Yes this is a company owned center. if i am asked by a customer. It was the same when i was in NYC sales for cingular. if they ask for a employee ID then you have to give it out. While I am glad you are in OOP, in our center if the customer meets certain criteria we are allowed to make that exception. I assume you missed the consistantcy agenda from 3 weeks ago then where this process was outlined. Not trying to start a debate here but this is the poilicy that we have be told and emailed on to follow. Again this could be a market by market ruling.
adam
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 2, 2005, 1:21 PM
There's a possibility it could be a market policy, however I was reading CSP this morning to which it states that we are not supposed to give out our CUIDs to anyone but other Cingular departments, as well as Lockline . I mean just speaking from an employee's point of view and reputation, wouldn't you hate it if you gave a customer your CUID, then they called into another department (or even customer service) and stated that they work for Cingular and gave them your CUID and you needed access to such and such account and needing this done? -- then you'd be responsible for anything that happened. I definately wouldn't give my cuid out, and definately wouldn't tell as customer to ask for another reps CUID, just for that reason in particular ...
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awb17013

Dec 2, 2005, 4:58 PM
ok i can see your point of view on this issue. however since it is still the policy at our call center at the moment I have no choice. I refuse to give my CUID once and the QA team failed me for it. Some day they will hopefully get a national policy similar to ATTWS tried to do.
adam
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G-rad

Dec 2, 2005, 5:28 PM
which company do you work for adam
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awb17013

Dec 3, 2005, 1:20 PM
I am a former blus att wireless rep. I work in a now orange center, handling the GLR region calls As well as PT sales for the NYC market.
adam
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mupi

Dec 3, 2005, 1:09 PM
From a legal perspective, if a customer asks for identifying information, you are REQUIRED to give them something that will allow them and the company to positively identify you.

What if I speak to a rep, and the rep doesn't note the account? Now there is no "note" to pop up the "CUID".

This is legal protection for you, the employee, the company, and the customer.

Now, this information does not have to be the same ID that is logged on a call (ie, the CUID), but there needs to be a way for the cutomer to positively identify you. For example, if I called in and said "I spoke to Adam and he said..." how many "Adams" are there employed by cingular? I would imagine a great many more than one. Its worse with common names like "Mike"....
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 3, 2005, 2:56 PM
Well when it comes to Quality and Assurance, as well as owning the call when the customer calls in, reps are required to give out their FULL names (ie. James Smith). That is it. We are also allowed to give the call center we work for (ie. Ocean Springs call center). Cingular Wireless has an employee locater that can look up any employee based on the location of the center they work for as well as the first and last name. Therefore, if you need more information in regards to a certain situation and the rep you're speaking to needs to locate the employee in regards to that situation, then it is possible for them to give you the first and last name as well as the location of the center they work for -- however DUE TO LEGAL PURPOSES, we cann...
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LilShorty

Dec 4, 2005, 1:19 AM
supermanskryptonite said:
Well when it comes to Quality and Assurance, as well as owning the call when the customer calls in, reps are required to give out their FULL names (ie. James Smith). That is it. We are also allowed to give the call center we work for (ie. Ocean Springs call center). Cingular Wireless has an employee locater that can look up any employee based on the location of the center they work for as well as the first and last name. Therefore, if you need more information in regards to a certain situation and the rep you're speaking to needs to locate the employee in regards to that situation, then it is possible for them to give you the first and last name as well as the location of the center they work
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 4, 2005, 8:08 AM
Oh believe me I'm completely right. When a rep greets the caller, we are to give out our full first and last name, however, if you are uncomfortable giving out this information, you ARE allowed to have a pseudo in place of your actual name, which might I add takes some paperwork and requests, ect. So, we can't just say any ole' name that pops into our head. And only if a customer asks, we are supposed to give out our location of employment (like it honestly matters anyway---must customers just ask this because they think it will intimdate you or they feel they can actually get you in trouble. But it doesn't do ANYTHING AT ALL really.) And that is all the information reps are to give them. Name (required) and location (if asked). So, do...
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supermanskryptonite

Dec 5, 2005, 6:49 PM
Ironically enough, a situation like this just happened today. A customer wrote in to "Stan the Man" because he feels that he was treated poorly by previous representatives in regards to a situaion. He has a TDMA phone, which of course, is not compatible with the GSM network, therefore not giving him the benefits of the current Nationwide rate plan. Therefore, he called into Customer Service wanting to upgrade his equipment, in which the rep he spoke with quoted him on various prices for phones with a 2-year Term of Service. However, the customer had a past due balance of 101.85 on his account, therefore keeping him from upgrading until the past due was paid. Per the notes on the account, the rep he spoke with provided the customer with ...
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SForsyth01

Dec 2, 2005, 12:34 PM
Every time I have asked for a CUID, I have been given it -- and I am not an employee of Cingular. I am just a customer and have had no trouble getting it.
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lordrevan05

Dec 6, 2005, 5:10 PM
😈 Something to be said for explaining that to the customer in a "flat robotic monotone" isn't there Supes?
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lordrevan05

Dec 6, 2005, 5:08 PM
🙄 You better had been a customer for longer than '04 or you're screwed. The VALUE THE CUSTOMER PROTOCOL does not apply to newbies 😈
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tadams

Dec 2, 2005, 11:06 AM
If you have that many rollover minutes I would imagine that you won't EVER use them. The point of rollover wasn't to accumulate thousands of minutes and then go to the lowest rate plan possible. It was to cover the unexpected overage months. This is why the changed it in the first place just like someone else has already said.

I just don't get why it is a big deal to keep them. They should be expiring anyhow if you have that many, and you will still roll more over.
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everman

Dec 2, 2005, 3:29 PM
If you have the 450 39.99 plan, and you want to add a line for 9.99, then tell the sales rep to notate your account so that you can keep your rollover balance. These minutes will have to come off when the plan is changed from individual to family, but then they can be put right back on by Customer Service.
Just make sure that Customer Service changes your rate plan from individual to family talk. Dont let the sales rep do it.
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tadams

Dec 2, 2005, 4:23 PM
You can't do that. We have FAMILY TALK plans and then we have single line plans. There is no way to activate a second line on ANY single line rate plan anymore. YOU CAN'T DO IT
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everman

Dec 2, 2005, 5:33 PM
Its been done. So you can.
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mysystemsareupdating

Dec 2, 2005, 9:03 PM
actually no I don't know if you are thinking of care or telligence but EVEN if you did try and suceeded at adding an addtional line onto an idividual plan it would be in the different group AND the addtional line would be charged at the out of bucket minute rate! for instance AN39R5KNWUMM ( I cant remember the exact code but it shows up on the users bill) and you try and add FTN9RUNWUM2M, tell me how in hell the system is going to recognize an indiviudal plan for an addtional line if it was NEVER designed for it. unless there is some magical addtional line code I do not know or its a grandfathered plan, it cannot be done
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everman

Dec 3, 2005, 12:32 PM
Apparently your systems are still updating, because you failed to read my other posts.
Here is what you do, usually only in the care market.
Customer has individual 450 plan, wants to add a line to the 450 plan for 9.99.
I would set up a new individual plan for the new line(which plan doesnt matter) and when I am done setting this up, I would call customer service. I would have them change the individual plans to a family talk plan, and since their rate doesnt change, I will ask the care rep to re add the rollover minutes to the plan.
I have done this, so I KNOW it can be done.
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mysystemsareupdating

Dec 3, 2005, 12:48 PM
there rate DOES change, FT plans start at 59.99. we are not supposed to readd rollover and at least in our centre we are capped at 1000. sure you can have to individual plans and change both into a FT plan, I am not disagreeing with you there. BUT aviable FT plans start at 59.99
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everman

Dec 3, 2005, 6:31 PM
Family Talk plans start at 49.99 with both lines, 450 anytime 5000 N&W. Base line is 40$ add a line is 9.99. New rate plan changes effective 11-25-05.
This is an option only for existing customers, but Jack here fits that bill.
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mysystemsareupdating

Dec 2, 2005, 9:09 PM
and another thing about the CUID situation is that it cleary does state in CSP that we are not to give out the CUID or EVEN notate the cuid on the event notes unless you are using a tracker that does not generate the typists info. Giving a customer your full name, first and last is saficiant for if they want to reference you in their future dealings with CS. The CUID is there for internal varification and tracking procedures. I understand how strict quality can be, but weither its a centres policy or not it does conflict with what is in CSP(evil slow CSP) I don't think you should have failed for a quality for not siting information that should not be asked for in the first place
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notwhoiwuz

Dec 5, 2005, 7:00 PM
if you're an existing customer, activated prior to 11/24, you can add a line for $9.99 on to the current $39.99 450 plan, and keep any rollover minutes you currently have. It's a holiday promotion for existing customers that will expire on 2/11/2005
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lordrevan05

Dec 3, 2005, 1:58 PM
It's call profit genius 🙄
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Debi

Dec 3, 2005, 11:07 PM
When did this change take place? I cannot find it anywhere on the Cingular site. All I could find was you would loose your roll over minutes if you changed to a plan WITHOUT roll over which of course makes sense. I was ready to change to unlimited nights and weekends and have close to 3,000 rollover, now not sure I will do it if this new rule is correct. Can anyone clarify this for sure????? Show us where on the Cingular site it says this??? Thanks.
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doczaius

Dec 4, 2005, 11:15 AM
"ROLLOVER MINUTES
Unused Anytime Minutes expire after the 12th billing period. Night and Weekend and Mobile to Mobile Minutes do not roll over. If you change from one rollover plan to another rollover plan, any accumulated Rollover Minutes in excess of the new plan's number of monthly anytime minutes will expire upon such change. If you migrate a single line to a FamilyTalk plan or should a subscriber join your FamilyTalk plan for which your line is the primary line, any accumulated rollover minutes for all lines included in the new FamilyTalk group's Rollover Minutes in excess of the monthly anytime minutes for such group shall expire upon such change."

http://www.cingular.com/cingular_advantage »

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lordrevan05

Dec 6, 2005, 5:06 PM
Basically Cingular got tired of cheap customers with high rollover plan accumulating large rollover balances after a few months and then switching to the lower rollover plans ie $39.99 450R/UMM/5000NW with 12,000 rollover mins from their previous plan. It was costing them money and they'd had enough, so now if you go to above mentioned plan you lose those 12,000 minutes and start of with 450. Gotta lovem 😉
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