Tired of the Cingular bashing
Wow, do the verizon people have nothing better to do then talk about how Cingular only added 900,000 people this qt? and thay added more? Well thats great! good for them, this is a cingular forum not a sales forum. If you want that, hey go to the makers of this page and tell them you want a sales forum. It's so sad that they rip on GSM and half of Verizon is owend by a gsm provider! Verizon is so funny, you think they just made that network alone? No they bought every one elese out who possed a problem to um, all they are is patch work. You say they added more people but how much more did they gross after all there advertizing? Cingular is selling quality not quantatie, so just keep telling your self you are better if that makes you sle...
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Look at the first 3 quarters of Verizon after their purchases and look at Cingular's First 4 q s of results.
Cingular is selling NEITHER quality nor quanity.
ALL the polls and consumer advocates pretty much concur. We are not telling ourselves we are better. EVERYBODY else who matters is tellinig Verizon they are better. I wish Cingular was as good as their phones. But they are not.
If you KNOW you are better that explains why Verizon added twice as many customers.
Cingular is selling NEITHER quality nor quanity.
ALL the polls and consumer advocates pretty much concur. We are not telling ourselves we are better. EVERYBODY else who matters is tellinig Verizon they are better. I wish Cingular was as good as their phones. But they are not.
If you KNOW you are better that explains why Verizon added twice as many customers.
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Advertizing 😲 Look people will belive what they see and here in advertizing, look at us and the razor, not that cool of a phone but every one thinks it's the coolest phone ever. Get a grip man throw all the numbers you want the only ones I care about are the ones going in the check amt. on my pay checks as long as I keep making money i don't care. Where I live Cingular far out does VZW and My area is all I care about.
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Advertising doesn't really explain it tho'.
My understandin' is that Cingular and Verizon are actually pretty close in what dey call GROSS adds. Which is, how many new customers sign up each quarter.
But Cingular is gettin' killed in NET adds, which is, how much your customer count goes up, once you subtract all the customers that are LEAVING from all the new customers that signed up.
Cingular's prob isn't dat they can't get people in the door to sign up. Their prob is that they can't get people to STAY wit' them once they do.
To me, dat's not an advertisin' problem, that's a quality problem.
My understandin' is that Cingular and Verizon are actually pretty close in what dey call GROSS adds. Which is, how many new customers sign up each quarter.
But Cingular is gettin' killed in NET adds, which is, how much your customer count goes up, once you subtract all the customers that are LEAVING from all the new customers that signed up.
Cingular's prob isn't dat they can't get people in the door to sign up. Their prob is that they can't get people to STAY wit' them once they do.
To me, dat's not an advertisin' problem, that's a quality problem.
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SystemShock said:
Advertising doesn't really explain it tho'.
My understandin' is that Cingular and Verizon are actually pretty close in what dey call GROSS adds. Which is, how many new customers sign up each quarter.
But Cingular is gettin' killed in NET adds, which is, how much your customer count goes up, once you subtract all the customers that are LEAVING from all the new customers that signed up.
Cingular's prob isn't dat they can't get people in the door to sign up. Their prob is that they can't get people to STAY wit' them once they do.
To me, dat's not an advertisin' problem, that's a quality problem.
EXACTLY. They could not have possible "meant to do that" as some self descibed astute...
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Um, people will pay the fee with any provider? I have customers come in all the time to port from any other carrier and they gladly pay the $150-$200 just to get out of their current carrier.
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Cingular's main problem is customer experience. Cingular customer care sales team are not setting proper expectations. I even was in a Cingular store and heard a sales reps say network integration was done in Chicago. That is completely false information and misleading the customer and that customer is going to find out the truth in a few months. Me in customer service will be the one to tell him that network integration is not complete and that customer is going to feel like Cingular sucks and so do I. I have to tell him that network integration will be done by 07. then i have to convince this customer not to cancel their service. For people who like to compare Cingular to Verizon they have no idea what is going on at Cingular. Cingular be...
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simplymarcus said:
Cingular customer care sales team are not setting proper expectations. I even was in a Cingular store and heard a sales reps say network integration was done in Chicago. That is completely false information and misleading the customer and that customer is going to find out the truth in a few months.
..I have to tell him that network integration will be done by 07. then i have to convince this customer not to cancel their service.
..Cingular beat Verizon in net add-ons when Cingular was advertising a network that was not even complete yet.
Your right, expectations is the problem.
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it's funny how people act as if cingular is in trouble, when cingular was adding more people then verizon did any think they where going down? Oh and by gross i ment money not people, how much money are they making? Thats the quality sale.
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From what I read, Cingular only did better than Verizon fo' one quarter. So based on that one quarter, no, I don' think anyone smart thought Verizon was in trouble.
Cingular, on the other hand, has seemed to be doin' worse n' worse over the last 3 quarters. Thats the difference.
I don' know what you mean by gross meanin' quality. If you talkin' 'ARPU' (how much money per customer), I think Verizon passed Cingular in ARPU this last quarter.
Btw, congrats on how the Giants did today. Dey flat cleaned house on the Redskins. Whupped up on 'em just somethin' fierce.
Cingular, on the other hand, has seemed to be doin' worse n' worse over the last 3 quarters. Thats the difference.
I don' know what you mean by gross meanin' quality. If you talkin' 'ARPU' (how much money per customer), I think Verizon passed Cingular in ARPU this last quarter.
Btw, congrats on how the Giants did today. Dey flat cleaned house on the Redskins. Whupped up on 'em just somethin' fierce.
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You are going to be waiting a while for that one. My boy Roethlisberger and the BIG NASTY D is going to make sure that doesn't happen this year.
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IF Rotehlisberger can stay healthy, that is.
I feel fo' Jerome Bettis. I think he stuck around one mo' year 'cus he feels like this is Pittsburgh's year to win it all. But I got this sinkin' feelin' Roethlisberger's gonna get hurt again at jus' the wrong time.
I feel fo' Jerome Bettis. I think he stuck around one mo' year 'cus he feels like this is Pittsburgh's year to win it all. But I got this sinkin' feelin' Roethlisberger's gonna get hurt again at jus' the wrong time.
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Roethlisberger is like Brett Favre. He will play through any pain and injury. He will be fine.
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Hope you're right. I actually do wan' the Steelers to win the SB this year, it's been awhile. They're overdue.
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Are you serious? I didn't think anybody actually thought he got hurt every week.
Now don't get me wrong, I do believe he's had his fair share of injuries...but half of it's just a ploy to keep the other team guessing. Maybe its just because there is so much local coverage on his "injuries" in Pittsburgh that you know the said "injuries" aren't really threatening his play.
Now don't get me wrong, I do believe he's had his fair share of injuries...but half of it's just a ploy to keep the other team guessing. Maybe its just because there is so much local coverage on his "injuries" in Pittsburgh that you know the said "injuries" aren't really threatening his play.
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Thank you, Ruff. I didn't think that it was getting such national coverage that he was "hurt" when in reality we all know he is going to play every week.
In my opinion, they are simply trying to sit him in the games that we should win without him, or in the games that it doesn't matter if we lose, just to avoid a repeat performance of last year with him being exhausted in the playoffs.
In my opinion, they are simply trying to sit him in the games that we should win without him, or in the games that it doesn't matter if we lose, just to avoid a repeat performance of last year with him being exhausted in the playoffs.
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SForsyth01 said:
Thank you, Ruff. I didn't think that it was getting such national coverage that he was "hurt" when in reality we all know he is going to play every week.
In my opinion, they are simply trying to sit him in the games that we should win without him, or in the games that it doesn't matter if we lose, just to avoid a repeat performance of last year with him being exhausted in the playoffs.
Hum, no. Roethlisberger is actually out fo' 1-2 games after gettin' knee surgery. :
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A9FJqLhSZWpDpU ... »
Didn' ya know?
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That isn't any type of big deal. C'mon....we play Green Bay (1-5) and Cleveland (2-4). Charlie Batch is completely capable of handing the ball off, and aside from that, all you have to do is show up against those 2 teams and you win.
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Oh, I don' think they're gonna lose games against weak opponents with Ben out. What I'm sayin' is, he may not be as durable as Steelers fans hope. They better do a GREAT job protectin' him, 'cus he's the one indispensable man on that squad. Nuthin' could hurt the Steelers worse than Ben gettin' hurt either right before or durin' the playoffs.
I say dat as someone who wants da Steelers to take it all this year.
I say dat as someone who wants da Steelers to take it all this year.
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Colts 6-0 all the way.
Assuming they make it past the Pat's Monday
I do not see anyone else stopping them
Did i mention the pat's are 3-3
Assuming they make it past the Pat's Monday
I do not see anyone else stopping them
Did i mention the pat's are 3-3
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Good Luck with the 16-0 idea. Once they clinch home field advantage, they will sit all of the starters and lose at least 1. And that is if they make it past the Pats in Foxboro (the game is in NE, right?).
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yeah it is in NE and i am hopeful but know that they have had problems winning there in the past. I don't care about undefeated in the regular season. It's making it to the playoffs with HF advantage and being undefeated in the post season that matters
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Not if they keep allowing the B-mores of the world to make it close.
Two Monday night games by 4 points. Not very dominant.
Two Monday night games by 4 points. Not very dominant.
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I wish Cingular would make a couple of subtractions, and that would be you along with a few others from the CINGULAR forum. I think I have finally figured it out. Verizon supporters can't read, and therefore differentiate between the VZW and Cingular forum. Are you illiterate? Or immature enough that you must go antagonize someone? Does that make you feel better when you do? Do you need professional counseling? Would it make sense if we went and trashed the Cricket forum?? Please tell me WHY people who are Pro-VZW feel the need to come to the CINGULAR forum and stir up trouble. Can you explain that??
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You are the type who needs the world to be exactly as you want it. with everyone agreeing with your point of view. Keep wishin. Those who do not agree with your most likely need "professional counseling" Yikes what a thought. You are not self absorbed at all are ya?
I know it sucks to have to represent a company that is tanking from it's brief moment of glory.
Kinda like being a Chicago Cub. I understand your pain. Feel free to trash any forum you need to. Cricket. Verizon Sprint. I don't take my wireless seriously nor do I take you seriously either. So take a Xanax and relax. Its gonna be OK. Really.
I know it sucks to have to represent a company that is tanking from it's brief moment of glory.
Kinda like being a Chicago Cub. I understand your pain. Feel free to trash any forum you need to. Cricket. Verizon Sprint. I don't take my wireless seriously nor do I take you seriously either. So take a Xanax and relax. Its gonna be OK. Really.
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why cant we just be civil on here and just analyze the carrier and people can defend or attack but say facts to support their arguement?
if one is too attached with a carrier that we are debating or having dialogues about, then there is no point of doing it becuase then it would turn ugly. (like it has in the past)
if one doesnt want to talk about the carrier then just dont partipicate in the dilogue...
come on people!
if one is too attached with a carrier that we are debating or having dialogues about, then there is no point of doing it becuase then it would turn ugly. (like it has in the past)
if one doesnt want to talk about the carrier then just dont partipicate in the dilogue...
come on people!
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nextel18 said:
why cant we just be civil on here and just analyze the carrier and people can defend or attack but say facts to support their arguement?
if one is too attached with a carrier that we are debating or having dialogues about, then there is no point of doing it becuase then it would turn ugly. (like it has in the past)
if one doesnt want to talk about the carrier then just dont partipicate in the dilogue...
come on people!
Good point bro. People on both sides should jus' chill an' not take everythin' so personal.
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I find it entertaining. I enjoy a good argument. (even though don't agree with the side that i am arguing half of the time 😉 ).
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Sure bro. But beyond a certain point, its jus' the Jerry Springer show.
Yo, maybe everyone here should have an avatar dat hits other posters dey don' agree with over da head with a chair? 😁
Yo, maybe everyone here should have an avatar dat hits other posters dey don' agree with over da head with a chair? 😁
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Icyhot said:
I wish Cingular would make a couple of subtractions, and that would be you along with a few others from the CINGULAR forum. I think I have finally figured it out. Verizon supporters can't read, and therefore differentiate between the VZW and Cingular forum. Are you illiterate? Or immature enough that you must go antagonize someone? Does that make you feel better when you do? Do you need professional counseling? Would it make sense if we went and trashed the Cricket forum?? Please tell me WHY people who are Pro-VZW feel the need to come to the CINGULAR forum and stir up trouble. Can you explain that??
When I first started visiting these forums, I stuck to the T-Mobile forum. I had a neutral vi...
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there is alot of truth to this, lots of cing reps(not all) go in the t-mobile forum and just throw thing like, "HA you wish you had the coverage we do!'". And stuff like that, or Other people come in asking..should i got with t-mobile or cingualar. well it Depends on where you live, what you can afford, what you need in features wise, and how much you travel and where. it just depends onthe person. but yet we still get people in there saying, well even though you dont travel much, cingualr is till better because of blah blah etc... and than someone gets all pissed and they say something negitive about cingular, than its back and forth. it sucks, lol.
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Well i think we all can agree on how cool "Boobs" are, huh ya boobs are sweet.
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I agree that bashing of cingular on alot of forum boards is high and needs to stop. All the people making these comments will never be happy with any service. Everytime i call cingular i dont have problems. When i did my migration i had no problem and i am on a university business plan. My phone since the day i got has not ever not have service when i pick it up. Cingular has great service in my area and even has service in basements which i did not have with Att. Cingular is great compared to verizon where your call gets dropped in a hot minute.
CINGULAR ROCKS
CINGULAR ROCKS
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Wow, do the verizon people have nothing better to do then talk about how Cingular only added 900,000 people this qt? and thay added more? Well thats great! good for them, this is a cingular forum not a sales forum. If you want that, hey go to the makers of this page and tell them you want a sales forum. It's so sad that they rip on GSM and half of Verizon is owend by a gsm provider! Verizon is so funny, you think they just made that network alone? No they bought every one elese out who possed a problem to um, all they are is patch work. You say they added more people but how much more did they gross after all there advertizing? Cingular is selling quality not quantatie, so just keep telling your self y
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As refered to in the last post Verizon Fans do not need to bash Cingular, Stanley Sigman (Cingular's CEO) does a pretty good job of bashing them himself.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b ... » ...
That is the funniest thing i have ever read. I have to applaud Stanley Sigman (CEO of cingular) for being as open and honest as he was in the article.
Just a few things that Sigman says that Cingular (the so called #1 Provider) is behind verizon on:
1. "in metrics like customer service"
2. "Getting business simplified"
3. "Rate of Penetration"
4. "Churn
5. "Addition of Customers"
6. "Return on operations"
7. "Reputation"
8. "Network"
9. "roll-out of high speed network"
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b ... » ...
That is the funniest thing i have ever read. I have to applaud Stanley Sigman (CEO of cingular) for being as open and honest as he was in the article.
Just a few things that Sigman says that Cingular (the so called #1 Provider) is behind verizon on:
1. "in metrics like customer service"
2. "Getting business simplified"
3. "Rate of Penetration"
4. "Churn
5. "Addition of Customers"
6. "Return on operations"
7. "Reputation"
8. "Network"
9. "roll-out of high speed network"
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Oh and by the way Big brother Peyton would beat Eli like a red headed step child if there was a manning vs. manning superbowl
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i can here me now said:...
As refered to in the last post Verizon Fans do not need to bash Cingular, Stanley Sigman (Cingular's CEO) does a pretty good job of bashing them himself.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_45/b ... » ...
That is the funniest thing i have ever read. I have to applaud Stanley Sigman (CEO of cingular) for being as open and honest as he was in the article.
Just a few things that Sigman says that Cingular (the so called #1 Provider) is behind verizon on:
1. "in metrics like customer service"
2. "Getting business simplified"
3. "Rate of Penetration"
4. "Churn
5. "Addition of Customers"
6. "Return on operations"
7. "Reputation"
8. "Network"
9. "roll-out of high speed netwo
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TenMidgits said:
And then you woke up! 🙄
Please read my post again and explain where your response would fit anything I said. Stop being so butt hurt. Your side is winning right now, so why do you insist on acting like a spoiled little brat? Aside from the fact that that is what you are. 🙄
Stan has just shown that he has more class than his opponents and that seems to be the case in the forums as well. There is a huge deficiency of class from you and your Verizon whiners. Everytime you type something it proves why you belong under a bridge and not on a forum, troll.
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CamelTowing said:TenMidgits said:
And then you woke up! 🙄
Please read my post again and explain where your response would fit anything I said. Everytime you type something it proves why you belong under a bridge and not on a forum, troll.
This drivel is what I was referring to:
They represent the fear of what Verizon will have to face when Cingular is finished with it's plans.
By that time Cingular will be so far behind there will be no fear...never was.
And since when do you decide where people belong just because they don't agree with your highness.... Yes you do make me chuckle.
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Now you are funny. I bet u are not even in the cell phone business. You obviously are just a customer with a copy of JD power spouting off information.
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aww come on.. give him some credit.. he tried..
"By that time Cingular will be so far behind there will be no fear"
this is a good point though..
"By that time Cingular will be so far behind there will be no fear"
this is a good point though..
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nextel18 said:
aww come on.. give him some credit.. he tried..
"By that time Cingular will be so far behind there will be no fear"
this is a good point though..
Well, lessee nextel18. Sprint is even further behind than Cingular so I guess Verizon shouldn't be worried about them either.
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lol.. i am not even mentioning sprint, but since you are the way that sprint is adding subscribers they could do some damage..
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I don' think Sprint it going to pass anyone, since they got their own merger to deal with, but that deal they jus' made wit' the cable companies looks interestin'.
Should help them since now the cable companies are gonna be pimpin' Sprint-Nextel mad fierce.
Should help them since now the cable companies are gonna be pimpin' Sprint-Nextel mad fierce.
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well, they have been doing quite well.
yes, they just did that cable deal which was huge while the other companies like sbc and verizon will spend billions going to fios and to do cable..
also, that is just in the ev-do rev o and rev a, who cares about that, look what they could do when they use the 2.5ghz spectrum.. they can do anything they want and the cable companies will love them even more!!
i could do my methodology but i dont feel like it today, perhaps monday or tuesday or the next time i post..
yes, they just did that cable deal which was huge while the other companies like sbc and verizon will spend billions going to fios and to do cable..
also, that is just in the ev-do rev o and rev a, who cares about that, look what they could do when they use the 2.5ghz spectrum.. they can do anything they want and the cable companies will love them even more!!
i could do my methodology but i dont feel like it today, perhaps monday or tuesday or the next time i post..
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Ding Ding Ding You win. "Tell him what he won Bob".
"Well Jack..Marcus won an all expenses paid trip to...........(drumroll) LUBBOCK Texas where he will go on a blind date with TExaswireless na denjoy all the wonderful sights and sounds (not on his Cingular phone) of Lubbock Texas..followed by a meeting with 1700 Cingular employees"
I am NOT in the cell phone business. I considerthat a good thing. Car salesman have less turnover and get more respect.
"Well Jack..Marcus won an all expenses paid trip to...........(drumroll) LUBBOCK Texas where he will go on a blind date with TExaswireless na denjoy all the wonderful sights and sounds (not on his Cingular phone) of Lubbock Texas..followed by a meeting with 1700 Cingular employees"
I am NOT in the cell phone business. I considerthat a good thing. Car salesman have less turnover and get more respect.
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Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
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SystemShock said:
Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
How come I feel like I'm watching the movie "Identity"? 🙄
*sigh*
I like how he thinks car salesmen get more respect. That's actually the only business that has less respect than wireless.
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CamelTowing said:SystemShock said:
Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
How come I feel like I'm watching the movie "Identity"? 🙄
*sigh*
I like how he thinks car salesmen get more respect. That's actually the only business that has less respect than wireless.
Wee congratulations you do where you stand.
Sounds like I missed a promotion.
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TenMidgits said:CamelTowing said:SystemShock said:
Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
How come I feel like I'm watching the movie "Identity"? 🙄
*sigh*
I like how he thinks car salesmen get more respect. That's actually the only business that has less respect than wireless.
Well congratulations you do KMOW where you stand.
Sounds like I missed a promotion.
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TenMidgits said:TenMidgits said:CamelTowing said:SystemShock said:
Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
How come I feel like I'm watching the movie "Identity"? 🙄
*sigh*
I like how he thinks car salesmen get more respect. That's actually the only business that has less respect than wireless.
Well congratulations you do KNOW where you stand.
Sounds like I missed a promotion.
I'll get it right if it takes all night.
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TenMidgits said:...TenMidgits said:TenMidgits said:CamelTowing said:SystemShock said:
Yeahhh, comments like those'll make a lot o' friends on a forum where half the guys work in the cell phone biz.
C'mon Ten, you can make your points wit'out bein' this aggro.
How come I feel like I'm watching the movie "Identity"? 🙄
*sigh*
I like how he thinks car salesmen get more respect. That's actually the only business that has less respect than wireless.
Well congratulations you do KNOW where you stand.
Sounds like I missed a promotion.
I'll get it right if it takes all night.
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SYS! I'm not here to make friends. I am not like you. You take back handed slaps at Cingular. Very subtle but there. I wallop them head on with the subtlety of and elephant at a wedding.
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
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Sry bro, but I'm not here to make friends, or to take slaps at Cingular (tho' I'm sure a few o' the Cingular hardcore'll disagree). I jus' call 'em like I sees 'em.
I jus' don' think you have to go out of your way to piss people off. Which is what you're doin' half the time.
I guess I don' understand why you gotta hate. 'Cus if you do, then you on the same level as the Cingular hardcore fanboys that you don' like.
If they hate on Verizon or anyone who don' automatically say nice things 'bout Cingular, and you hate on Cingular, then what's the difference between you an' them?
I jus' don' think you have to go out of your way to piss people off. Which is what you're doin' half the time.
I guess I don' understand why you gotta hate. 'Cus if you do, then you on the same level as the Cingular hardcore fanboys that you don' like.
If they hate on Verizon or anyone who don' automatically say nice things 'bout Cingular, and you hate on Cingular, then what's the difference between you an' them?
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TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first one:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
No one calling you a troll in that.
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SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first one:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
No one calling you a troll in
that.
Ah ok .....The Sec...
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TenMidgits said:...SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first one:
https://www.phonescoop.com/carriers/forum.php?fm=m&f ... »
No one calling you a troll in
tha
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SForsyth01 said:...TenMidgits said:SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first one:
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TenMidgits said:...SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first one:
https://www.phonescoop.com/car »
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SForsyth01 said:...TenMidgits said:SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:SForsyth01 said:TenMidgits said:
I make no apologies. The FIRST RESPONSE I received on this forum was being called a "troll" because I had an issue and was overjoyed by the end of my contract.
Now Im not particularly offended by being called a trolls- I like trolls. But I did take offense at the poster's intent. Now I have never been one to stand by or run from a fight.Im not going to begin now.
Wrong again, jackass. My response calling you a troll was the second response made to your first post on this site. Here was the first o
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" Become the Best by 2007. It's not the first time that Cingular has said it would be the Best in 2007. "
lol.. they might not have the top spot by the end of 2006. lol.
lol.. they might not have the top spot by the end of 2006. lol.
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C'mon, nextel, you are smarter than this. 🙄
Verizon does not have the most customers right now but they are claiming to be the best. Would it be so far-fetched to think that, if Cingular does complete these goals, that they would be the best without having the most subscribers?
Not too far fetched if you ask me.
Verizon does not have the most customers right now but they are claiming to be the best. Would it be so far-fetched to think that, if Cingular does complete these goals, that they would be the best without having the most subscribers?
Not too far fetched if you ask me.
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aww.. SF!
lol.
anyway, let me explain myself..
verizon claims they have the best network, which they have.. in my methodology of analyzing the two carriers with their net ads and total net ads for the first 3 quarters and just averaging to get their 4th quarter numbers at this rate, verizon will top cingular at the end of 2006. of course things might change, but i am just basing it on the average of what they get per year (with these numbers for these 3 quarters) and adding it to the total of total subscribers and getting my math.
verizon is the best becuase they 1. have the best network, 2. have the most wireless subscriber per quarter growth and 3. the most wireless high speed data (but obvioiusly they are the only ones who ...
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lol.
anyway, let me explain myself..
verizon claims they have the best network, which they have.. in my methodology of analyzing the two carriers with their net ads and total net ads for the first 3 quarters and just averaging to get their 4th quarter numbers at this rate, verizon will top cingular at the end of 2006. of course things might change, but i am just basing it on the average of what they get per year (with these numbers for these 3 quarters) and adding it to the total of total subscribers and getting my math.
verizon is the best becuase they 1. have the best network, 2. have the most wireless subscriber per quarter growth and 3. the most wireless high speed data (but obvioiusly they are the only ones who ...
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Cingular's coverage issues are in markets like Minnesota Michigan and Washington state and some parts of California. But Cingular beats verizon in Arkansas and Texas and Oklahoma and other areas that Bellsouth mobility and SBC wireless originate from. cingular's main problem it is not coverage. Cingular's main problem is they have two TDMA networks and two GSM networks. they must integrate those networks as soon as possible. Plus Cingulaer must provide a better customer service and sales experience through all customer service and sales channels. the customer experience is even more important than network integration.
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i am talking about on a nationwide basis.. cingular doesnt have a better network then verizon or else cingular would be advertising that..
"Cingular's main problem is they have two TDMA networks and two GSM networks. "
excuses after excuses...
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their reputation is also bad becuase they have the most complaints and their network isnt that good.
why does verizon keep getting 1.45 million from 1st to 1.9 million for 2nd and 3rd quarters with subscribers while cingular 1.45 million to 867k from quarter 1 to quarter 3? the only thing is coverage..
verizon has better coverage then cingular they can do better then them, becuase that is the only thing that i see that helps verizon do well in the marketplace.. without their...
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"Cingular's main problem is they have two TDMA networks and two GSM networks. "
excuses after excuses...
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their reputation is also bad becuase they have the most complaints and their network isnt that good.
why does verizon keep getting 1.45 million from 1st to 1.9 million for 2nd and 3rd quarters with subscribers while cingular 1.45 million to 867k from quarter 1 to quarter 3? the only thing is coverage..
verizon has better coverage then cingular they can do better then them, becuase that is the only thing that i see that helps verizon do well in the marketplace.. without their...
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I continue to try to educate u. Cingular and Verizon are in two different places as companies. they both have different challenges. Cingular has a lot more challenges than Verizon. That is just a fact not an excuse. Please get your mind right before you post.
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Cingular's coverage issues are in markets like Minnesota Michigan and Washington state and some parts of California. But Cingular beats verizon in Arkansas and Texas and Oklahoma and other areas that Bellsouth mobility and SBC wireless originate from. cingular's main problem it is not coverage. Cingular's main problem is they have two TDMA networks and two GSM networks. they must integrate those networks as soon as possible. Plus Cingulaer must provide a better customer service and sales experience through all customer service and sales channels. the customer experience is even more important than network integration.
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i disagree with him... if cingular was better on a nationwied situation then verizon, cingular would be out gaining in net subscribers every single quarter but they arent.. it is all about nationwide.. word of mouth gets around very quickly and if you have a good reputation you will do well, like verizon, however, if you dont you wont like cingular... that is until cingular fixes their coverage, integration issues, customer care problems, and complaints.
he is giving so many excuses at least the ceo isnt.
he is giving so many excuses at least the ceo isnt.
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Cingular beats Verizon's coverage in some markets. I am the first to say Customer service needs work. I say it all the time customer care needs to be completely retrained. The problems in customer care are self inflicted and upper-management knows it. They have streamlined a lot of the processes that are in place to reduce customer frustration but Cingular still has a long way to go.
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Cingular beats Verizon in the Pittsburgh market. Even if just by a little. 🙂
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thats funny we rock here in washington state, trust me there are no probs here bud.
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Nextel, you are listening like a brick wall. You really are smarter than this. Why are you playing so dumb.
I did not ask for an opinion. What I asked was is it so far-fetched to think that, if Cingular completes their initiatives in the suggested timeframe (by the end of '07), that they would be the best without having the most subscribers?
It is a simple yes or no question. No opinions or dissertations required.
Your post does not, in any way, answer my question.
I did not ask for an opinion. What I asked was is it so far-fetched to think that, if Cingular completes their initiatives in the suggested timeframe (by the end of '07), that they would be the best without having the most subscribers?
It is a simple yes or no question. No opinions or dissertations required.
Your post does not, in any way, answer my question.
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lol.. here we go again with your insults..
you didnt get what i meant so i explained it to you.. if you didnt get it, then its your problem not mine.. 🙂
you didnt ask for an opinion yet now you want me to say yes or no? lol are you ok?
cingular wouldnt be the best without having the most subscribers becuase they will not be leading in 2007...
verizon is the best becuase they have the best network...
(brick walls take a lot of things in though..)
you didnt get what i meant so i explained it to you.. if you didnt get it, then its your problem not mine.. 🙂
you didnt ask for an opinion yet now you want me to say yes or no? lol are you ok?
cingular wouldnt be the best without having the most subscribers becuase they will not be leading in 2007...
verizon is the best becuase they have the best network...
(brick walls take a lot of things in though..)
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I'm not attempting to insult you. I am attempting to get you to understand.
IF CINGULAR ACCOMPLISHES ALL OF THEIR CURRENT INITIATIVES, THEY WILL HAVE MORE COVERAGE, BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND BE ADDING MORE NET SUBSCRIBERS PER QUARTER THAN VERIZON!!!! WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING LESS SUBSCRIBERS THAN VERIZON!!!! Thus, based on what Verizon marketers are claiming right now (that they are the best), Cingular should be able to claim that in the end of 2007. PROVIDED THEY ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THEIR INITIATIVES!!!!!
Do you understand now?????? Can you hear me now????? Good!!!! Now, its allover. 😈
I'm not attempting to insult you. I am attempting to get you to understand.
IF CINGULAR ACCOMPLISHES ALL OF THEIR CURRENT INITIATIVES, THEY WILL HAVE MORE COVERAGE, BETTER CUSTOMER SERVICE, AND BE ADDING MORE NET SUBSCRIBERS PER QUARTER THAN VERIZON!!!! WHILE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING LESS SUBSCRIBERS THAN VERIZON!!!! Thus, based on what Verizon marketers are claiming right now (that they are the best), Cingular should be able to claim that in the end of 2007. PROVIDED THEY ACCOMPLISH ALL OF THEIR INITIATIVES!!!!!
Do you understand now?????? Can you hear me now????? Good!!!! Now, its allover. 😈
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i dont read posts that have upper case so that post was a waste.. try again in a lower case manner then i iwll read it again..
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Then read my prior posts and you may understand. I was simply trying to emphicize it for you since you obviously couldn't read it the first time. 🙄
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i explain things very understandble so that people who arent even in this business can understand, i am not sure why you arent getting any of the language.. perhaps i should talk in a different one.. or perhaps you should read more about some of the terms in the wirless industry or read better the message that i post..
next time i will do better just for you..
next time i will do better just for you..
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I'm not the one that is having trouble comprehending someone's post....you are. Duh!!! 🙄 😉
I'm not the one that is having trouble comprehending someone's post....you are. Duh!!! 🙄 😉
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nextel18 said:
" Become the Best by 2007. It's not the first time that Cingular has said it would be the Best in 2007. "
lol.. they might not have the top spot by the end of 2006. lol.
One thing ta clarify, didn' Sigman say the plan was to be the best by END of 2007?
So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will.
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not sure if he said end of 2007 or beg of 2007, but regardless 2007 time frame is too late if verizon and cingular continue at these net addition pace.. who cares about 2007 when they will pass in 2006... lol.
"So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will."
exactly!
"So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will."
exactly!
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not sure if he said end of 2007 or beg of 2007, but regardless 2007 time frame is too late if verizon and cingular continue at these net addition pace.. who cares about 2007 when they will pass in 2006... lol.
"So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will."
exactly!
No $hit verizon will pass Cingular in total subscribers in 2006. No one is disputing that. And Stan Stigman knows this. He is just saying that once they accomplish their initiatives, BY THE END OF 2007, they will be more fi...
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i dont think so... their reputation is very shot right now.. especially after the merger with a horrible company... (in att wireless) if they dont turn it around quickly who knows at the end of 2007 where they might be.. perhaps they will be 3rd.
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SForsyth01 said:
No $hit verizon will pass Cingular in total subscribers in 2006. No one is disputing that.
Oh bro, I'm sure you can still find some o' the Cingular hardcore who'll puff out their chests an' tell ya it won't ever happen. Tho' judgin' from that latest RCR News poll, they is WAY outnumbered.
But I agree wit' ya, if the plan works out, 2 years from now they'll be fierce.
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we should underline the word IF.
2 years from now they will be fierce? perhaps, but you cant forget verizon... they obviously wont stop with doing whatever they have in the works for the future..
2 years from now they will be fierce? perhaps, but you cant forget verizon... they obviously wont stop with doing whatever they have in the works for the future..
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nextel18 said:
we should underline the word IF.
2 years from now they will be fierce? perhaps, but you cant forget verizon... they obviously wont stop with doing whatever they have in the works for the future..
Yeah, dat's true. Verizon certainly won't be sittin' still either.
Verizon doesn't HAVE to announce their 'plan' the way Cingular does, 'cus they're doin' so well that they don' have to reassure anyone. But I'm sure they've got a plan too.
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What is funny is some people think the next year is all that matters.
I guess it is because they are young. I care about how well they will do for the next decade, not the next quarter.
I guess it is because they are young. I care about how well they will do for the next decade, not the next quarter.
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SystemShock said:nextel18 said:
" Become the Best by 2007. It's not the first time that Cingular has said it would be the Best in 2007. "
lol.. they might not have the top spot by the end of 2006. lol.
One thing ta clarify, didn' Sigman say the plan was to be the best by END of 2007?
So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will.
You're wrong. If any company is named "Best in Class" by the end of 2007, it would be because they actually were the best before the resul...
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CamelTowing said:...SystemShock said:
One thing ta clarify, didn' Sigman say the plan was to be the best by END of 2007?
So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will.
You're wrong. If any company is named "Best in Class" by the end of 2007, it would be because they actually were the best before the results came out. If the network is completed by 2006 like they are saying, then it's quite possible that they will be named best in class anytime after that. They'll also have to work on c
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SystemShock said:...CamelTowing said:SystemShock said:
One thing ta clarify, didn' Sigman say the plan was to be the best by END of 2007?
So, even if his plan does work out as good as he hopes, they kinda wouldn't be the best 'till 2008, really.
Plenty o' time for Verizon to re-take #1, they wouldn't even have ta do it in '06. Though its lookin' more an' more like they will.
You're wrong. If any company is named "Best in Class" by the end of 2007, it would be because they actually were the best before the results came out. If the network is completed by 2006 like they are saying, then it's quite possible that they will be named best in class anytime afte
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I don' know bro, I'm jus' takin' what he said in the Biz Week interview at face value. Guess we'll see how it turns out.
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Keep in mind, shock, that it is easier to upgrade GSM towers to UMTS and HSDPA than it is to upgrate CDMA 1x towers to EVDO. It could easily take less time for Cingular to complete their upgrade than it is taking for Verizon to deploy EVDO.
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I kinda doubt it. Verizon is 12 to 18 months ahead, that's a pretty big edge. It'd be pretty amazin' if Cingular can complete their high-speed network even close to the time that Verizon completes theirs.
But if they can cut the gap to even 6 months before its all through, that'd be pretty great fo' them.
But if they can cut the gap to even 6 months before its all through, that'd be pretty great fo' them.
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Oh, sorry Fo'syth, I forgot to mention why I think that.
From what I've read, Verizon is s'posed to finish their high-speed network sometime in 2006. Cingular, on the other hand will "be close to being in all the top 100 markets by the end of 2006" with their high-speed network. Thas' a quote from Stan Sigman, Cingular CEO.
So Cingular should be "almost" done with it at the end of 2006, done maybe in early 2007? Behind Verizon, but maybe not by all that much.
From what I've read, Verizon is s'posed to finish their high-speed network sometime in 2006. Cingular, on the other hand will "be close to being in all the top 100 markets by the end of 2006" with their high-speed network. Thas' a quote from Stan Sigman, Cingular CEO.
So Cingular should be "almost" done with it at the end of 2006, done maybe in early 2007? Behind Verizon, but maybe not by all that much.
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That was my point. Since it is easier to upgrade the GSM towers, they will be very able to make up some good time on the 3G deployment.
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Oh sry, I thought you were implyin' that Cingular will finish their high-speed network before Verizon finishes theirs, which doesn't seem very realistic.
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Nope, just stating that I wouldn't be all that surprised if Cingular has it across their entire network by the end of 2006.
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That'd certainly be ahead of Sigman's schedule. Looks like the tower tech guys won' be gettin' much sleep. 🙂
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Remember, that is Cingular's bread and butter. Promise something and then deliver earlier than expected.
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SForsyth01 said:
Remember, that is Cingular's bread and butter. Promise something and then deliver earlier than expected.
And we all know they have never nor are they known for doing that!!!! 🤣 🤣
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TenMidgits said:SForsyth01 said:
Remember, that is Cingular's bread and butter. Promise something and then deliver earlier than expected.
And we all know they have never nor are they known for doing that!!!! 🤣 🤣
can't sneak any sarcasm by you. 😈
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Right, they didn't complete their entire GSM network overlay six months before promised...
100 percent nationwide GSM/GPRS network coverage achieved in June, six
months ahead of original schedule
http://cingular.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_rele ... »
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100 percent nationwide GSM/GPRS network coverage achieved in June, six
months ahead of original schedule
http://cingular.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_rele ... »
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RUFF1415 said:
Right, they didn't complete their entire GSM network overlay six months before promised...
100 percent nationwide GSM/GPRS network coverage achieved in June, six
months ahead of original schedule
http://cingular.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=press_rele ... »
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And how did that work out for them?
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Worked out just fine. 96% of all minutes used are on the GSM network. GSM works a lot better than TDMA did in my area. Heck, in fact Cingular's GSM tops everything, yes even Verizon, in Pittsburgh.
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advertizing? quantatie? Use spell check.
Also, Verizon isn't the only company buying other wireless providers. Who did Cingular buy?
Also, Verizon isn't the only company buying other wireless providers. Who did Cingular buy?
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[[Walks up to the podium, turns on the mic]]
[[Feedback]]
"Cingular Sux"
"Verizon Sux"
"Redwings sux"
"Less Filling"
"Tastes Great"
Why are we fighting?
There are pluses and minues o all carriesr, to all services. Now should we fling our shiitake over to our neighbors yards? No, I have to aggree with that. Afer all, Cing and T-Chan have their own things they can say about the Big Red V. American Telephone and Telegraph had a good long run, so did GTA--er, GTE, and MCI.. er, bad example. But despite how good or bad our feelings are towards services, can we not find some common ground? I for one have decided to extend an olive branch of peace to our Orange Friends. Yes, I am a Verizon user. Yes I love my phone, and I have no ILL WILL t...
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"Cingular Sux"
"Verizon Sux"
"Redwings sux"
"Less Filling"
"Tastes Great"
Why are we fighting?
There are pluses and minues o all carriesr, to all services. Now should we fling our shiitake over to our neighbors yards? No, I have to aggree with that. Afer all, Cing and T-Chan have their own things they can say about the Big Red V. American Telephone and Telegraph had a good long run, so did GTA--er, GTE, and MCI.. er, bad example. But despite how good or bad our feelings are towards services, can we not find some common ground? I for one have decided to extend an olive branch of peace to our Orange Friends. Yes, I am a Verizon user. Yes I love my phone, and I have no ILL WILL t...
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Ok, now! You can say that Verizon sux. You can say that Cingular sux. But to snipe at the Redwings???? That's HERESY!
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djdelay said:
Ok, now! You can say that Verizon sux. You can say that Cingular sux. But to snipe at the Redwings???? That's HERESY!
I've got your back on this one DJ.
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haha....been reading PS for like 10 months now....I was reading the lounge the whole time you and tadams and Jkriv and speedy were on there.....I was just too lazy to respond to my email for making a PS account. I forgot what your full name was a long time ago, just know that everyone called ya C.
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okay, if you didn't get it, the whole "xxx sux" bit was meant to show different people bickering back and forth. The great arguments of the modern eara. As far as i'm concerned, no sport interests me enough to say "teamX rules," or "team[theta] blows the llamas a$$" did we even get to the part where I'm trying to bridge the gap caused by all this fighting?
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i'm not a regular poster. i consider myself pretty knowledgeable and logical. my first lesson in sales was to NOT bash the competition. and i never intend to. cingular is a good company, and mr. ceo knows his companies faults. that's great. attws merger is not as successful as they would have liked. ok, they spent ungodly money on "raising the bar" ad campaign. what sets verizon apart at this time is HOW they spend their money. NOT how much money they spend. vzw is unscrupulous in their tactics. and they stick to a plan whether it's failing or not. we wouldn't advertise about our network being the best if we couldn't back it up.
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Tampa_VZW_Jim said:
what cingular did by "raising the bar" is raise the expectations of the consumer. it wasn't raised at the point of sale or during their first cs call. their expectations were raised at home, when they're watching tv, or listening to the radio, or reading the newspaper. if you're going to "raise the bar" well, you better "raise it" a lot. now vzw is not without it's flaws, but vzw certainly has the least flaws....right now...
Like Amy, I totally agree with the above. Its all 'bout expectations, an' whether you meet 'em or not. Good point. 🙂
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