ATTWS phone on cingular network...
I know from reading on these threads that newer Cingular phones can operate on old ATTWS towers, but the vice versa is not true of old ATTWS phones and Cingular phones.
If I were to purchase an unlocked GSM phone and use it with my ATTWS contract and phone number, would it pick up CIngular towers? Would this increase my signal strength, decrease my dropped calls, and give me "More Bars" as Cingular advertises??
Thanks for your input.
If I were to purchase an unlocked GSM phone and use it with my ATTWS contract and phone number, would it pick up CIngular towers? Would this increase my signal strength, decrease my dropped calls, and give me "More Bars" as Cingular advertises??
Thanks for your input.
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Considering their infrastructure is now combined... I think so. But dont take my word for it, im only making an assumption here.
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Thanks for the input.. Does anybody (Cingular service rep/tech) know FOR SURe the answer to this question (before I buy an unlocked phone!)
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What does the phone have to do with it? if it is a newer phone which has both gsm technoligies 850/1900 and it is unlocked it goes by what information they send to the sim card!!!
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jack1435 said:
What does the phone have to do with it? if it is a newer phone which has both gsm technoligies 850/1900 and it is unlocked it goes by what information they send to the sim card!!!
Actually is does matter.If its a newer Cingular phone, then its ENS capable phone, with dual access to both networks, but all the phones att branded were designed to pick up its primary carrier, if its unlocked and used it on the cingular side ,thats only means it will search for its primary carrierwhich would be congular, it still won't pick up the att network, unless there is no cingular signal.
you can go and buy a new VCR, it still won't play DVD's in it.The fact is that an unlocked phone does change the softw...
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jack1435 said:
what is ENS capable?
means dua; network capable, old blue phones can't do it
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jack1435 said:
and what is the dua network? please explain in detail thanks jack!
Sorry meant DUAL network, let me explain, i had to take much training and want to let some pour out to make room for more 🤣
All phones pre merger, phones manufactured prior to nov 15,2004 were built with 1 function to search for and use its primary network , "att" picked their network and, then if no signal at all then any other carriers signal, would ber picked up and used, same deal with cingular phones cept their primary was cingular.
After merger, the phones being made and sold were ENS capable phones to use both network equally so not to choose one then look for another, it would automatically search for the...
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its intersting all this to me i have a nokia 6230 which was never locked to any network does that have any problems with cingular? also my mother sisster and 2 brothers use a nokia 3100 and 3120 unlocked origanaly aws and have no problems i compared the servise signal and its the same now i know for fact that aws here has a weaker 1900 signal and cingular put up a 850 towwer 1/2 a mile from my house and they are obviously picking that up all the time not just once a while?
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jack1435 said:
its intersting all this to me i have a nokia 6230 which was never locked to any network does that have any problems with cingular? also my mother sisster and 2 brothers use a nokia 3100 and 3120 unlocked origanaly aws and have no problems i compared the servise signal and its the same now i know for fact that aws here has a weaker 1900 signal and cingular put up a 850 towwer 1/2 a mile from my house and they are obviously picking that up all the time not just once a while?
Listen i've better things to do, i've explained it you, and i'm not going through it again, you can do what you want. if you have service issues using aws phones on cingular service, don't call in and ask for help or ask i...
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at this point i will argue wiyh you being that 1 you did not give me a valid answer why i have no problem with my unlocked aws 3100/3120 phones and 2 because i do work in the cellular industry i sell phones and prepaid sim cards for people going abroad! also in europe the carriers are not realy the ones selling the phones you go to the local electronic store and buy it unlocked so i dont think the whole europe is wrong thats the reason why the phones get sold to other countreis before the us cause the carriers dont have to put all there media mall crap on the phones!!!
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jack1435 said:
at this point i will argue wiyh you being that 1 you did not give me a valid answer why i have no problem with my unlocked aws 3100/3120 phones and 2 because i do work in the cellular industry i sell phones and prepaid sim cards for people going abroad! also in europe the carriers are not realy the ones selling the phones you go to the local electronic store and buy it unlocked so i dont think the whole europe is wrong thats the reason why the phones get sold to other countreis before the us cause the carriers dont have to put all there media mall crap on the phones!!!
First of all this is the last post on this will reply to on this subject.Oooh you sell phones to be used abroad, congratulat...
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ok you lost so you dont want to reply it is so that any time you get a phone they make you sign a minimum 1 year so why do they lock? also the reason they are willing to pay for there phone is cause they dont have to pay a minimum of $40 a month! in the us if you look at the history the carriers NEVER let you have your own phone they always supplied it cause they buy them in bulk for very cheap then sell them for normal price i know you work for one of these company's so they tell you what they want but the real truth is they make more money this way! and ive been doing this for a long time unlocking and selling them abroad why dont i have complaints? ive called cingular for example by the merger mine and my freinds calls were getting droppe...
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I think I understand what you are getting at, but I have an unlocked Nokia 6800 that I use my Cingular sim in and it gets better service than either my V551 or my 6230 that are Cingular phones. I does not matter what towers they are on or seeking either. Haveing been an AT&T customer for a year in this area I do know which towers are which. Oh and by the way I am a Cingular Store Manager. 😁
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you casn buy an unlocked phone and that is fine just make sure it is GSM. Other then that it is all on the card. we would prefer to have the number move over to cingular but even if not then thats fine but it is all in the card. But yes is the answer
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mahylo said:
I know from reading on these threads that newer Cingular phones can operate on old ATTWS towers, but the vice versa is not true of old ATTWS phones and Cingular phones.
If I were to purchase an unlocked GSM phone and use it with my ATTWS contract and phone number, would it pick up CIngular towers? Would this increase my signal strength, decrease my dropped calls, and give me "More Bars" as Cingular advertises??
Thanks for your input.
No, I can truly Tell you NO!, the fact is that you are only got the "Raisin the Bar, if you migrate over to the New Cingular, thats the whole point of you watch the comercials.If you stay on the ATTWs systems you will have only Access to the former attws to...
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What happended to all the former ATTWS sites ??? Surely they are now CINGULAR. Do you think CINGULAR execs said "OH, these old ATTWS cellsites are not CINGULAR, so former ATTWS customers will NOT benefit from "raising the bar???"
That's stupid. Cingular acquired infrastructure -- so any "Blue" customer should still benefit.
On a trip from Pittsburgh to Rehoboth Beach last summer, I got excellent signal from BOTH ATTWS and CINGULAR cell sites. Do you guys mean to tell me NOT to expect the same service on my trip this year???
That's stupid. Cingular acquired infrastructure -- so any "Blue" customer should still benefit.
On a trip from Pittsburgh to Rehoboth Beach last summer, I got excellent signal from BOTH ATTWS and CINGULAR cell sites. Do you guys mean to tell me NOT to expect the same service on my trip this year???
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johnny_one_rate said:
What happended to all the former ATTWS sites ??? Surely they are now CINGULAR. Do you think CINGULAR execs said "OH, these old ATTWS cellsites are not CINGULAR, so former ATTWS customers will NOT benefit from "raising the bar???"
That's stupid. Cingular acquired infrastructure -- so any "Blue" customer should still benefit.
On a trip from Pittsburgh to Rehoboth Beach last summer, I got excellent signal from BOTH ATTWS and CINGULAR cell sites. Do you guys mean to tell me NOT to expect the same service on my trip this year???
You are kidding right? Either that are you are pretty naive, cuz they are doing that way, and if you think they(blue) customers are get the benefits of the...
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I don't understand the reluctance of ATTWS customers to migrate to Cingular.
I was an ATTWS Cuatomer for 6 years and JUMPED at the chance to migrate before the buy out became official. no sense in sticking with a dying company. Yeah I lost some promo minuts I gained on my last contract before going month to month but roll over has more than made up for those and I preferred to be with the :host" company rather then the one being phased out.
I went from 100 amonth to $39 a month and have the same minutes each month (now after building a roll over bank. I did not want to sign a contract because I wanted to make sure the service would be stable. Now that Im moving my main base from Las Vegas to Myrtle Beach, SunCom has the better deal. B...
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I was an ATTWS Cuatomer for 6 years and JUMPED at the chance to migrate before the buy out became official. no sense in sticking with a dying company. Yeah I lost some promo minuts I gained on my last contract before going month to month but roll over has more than made up for those and I preferred to be with the :host" company rather then the one being phased out.
I went from 100 amonth to $39 a month and have the same minutes each month (now after building a roll over bank. I did not want to sign a contract because I wanted to make sure the service would be stable. Now that Im moving my main base from Las Vegas to Myrtle Beach, SunCom has the better deal. B...
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I don't understand the reluctance of ATTWS customers to migrate to Cingular.
I was an ATTWS Cuatomer for 6 years and JUMPED at the chance to migrate before the buy out became official. no sense in sticking with a dying company. Yeah I lost some promo minuts I gained on my last contract before going month to month but roll over has more than made up for those and I preferred to be with the :host" company rather then the one being phased out.
I went from 100 amonth to $39 a month and have the same minutes each month (now after building a roll over bank. I did not want to sign a contract because I wanted to make sure the service would be stable. Now that Im moving my main base from Las Vegas to Myrtle
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temp said:...kingfrog77 said:
I don't understand the reluctance of ATTWS customers to migrate to Cingular.
I was an ATTWS Cuatomer for 6 years and JUMPED at the chance to migrate before the buy out became official. no sense in sticking with a dying company. Yeah I lost some promo minuts I gained on my last contract before going month to month but roll over has more than made up for those and I preferred to be with the :host" company rather then the one being phased out.
I went from 100 amonth to $39 a month and have the same minutes each month (now after building a roll over bank. I did not want to sign a contract because I wanted to make sure the service would be stable. Now that Im moving my mai
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Rollover a gimmick??? This "gimmick" is one of the main reasons that I switched over from VZW a couple yrs ago. Considering that I have +9200 rollover mins banked, and I never worry about overages or what time it is when I make my phone calls, this is SOME gimmick.
Customers with other carriers who make remarks like yours may act like rollover is nothing, but I doubt that you'd be complaining if it suddenly got added to your plan.
As a former sales rep for a Cingular dealer, I can testify that rollover is the number one reason that people would cite for leaving their previous carrier & porting over to Cingular.
Customers with other carriers who make remarks like yours may act like rollover is nothing, but I doubt that you'd be complaining if it suddenly got added to your plan.
As a former sales rep for a Cingular dealer, I can testify that rollover is the number one reason that people would cite for leaving their previous carrier & porting over to Cingular.
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Complete with batting helmets and motorized wheelchairs! I am having a horrible day, you will have to excuse my lack of compassion.
Will
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Caleb,
What are the last 4 of your cell number? I know it is 8XX-7XX-????. I guess I had you saved to the phone and not the sim.
I called Moto CS again, still no word. They just recieved a bunch of new tracking numbers today, you might want to call.
It looks like I am opening up my own stores with Cingular. I have been working on locations and I have the financing secured. THe only disadvantage is that I have to start at the sub-dealer level, and there is no money give to me by Cingular. I am starting out in Bridgeport, and am looking at opening in Stephenville and Wichita Falls. Sure could use a hard working young lad like yourself!!
Hope your day gets better. Talk to you soon.
Will
What are the last 4 of your cell number? I know it is 8XX-7XX-????. I guess I had you saved to the phone and not the sim.
I called Moto CS again, still no word. They just recieved a bunch of new tracking numbers today, you might want to call.
It looks like I am opening up my own stores with Cingular. I have been working on locations and I have the financing secured. THe only disadvantage is that I have to start at the sub-dealer level, and there is no money give to me by Cingular. I am starting out in Bridgeport, and am looking at opening in Stephenville and Wichita Falls. Sure could use a hard working young lad like yourself!!
Hope your day gets better. Talk to you soon.
Will
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I don't think you'd have any problem with an unlocked GSM phone. The biggest difference you would see is that attws cards get *primary* service from the blue network and "seconday" (roaming) service on the orange network.
I've got an unlocked blue phone with a cingular 64K sim card. The only difference with mine is I get primary service from either network due to the new SIM which balances the networks.
Probably not that big of a deal. I get good coverage. You will too.
I've got an unlocked blue phone with a cingular 64K sim card. The only difference with mine is I get primary service from either network due to the new SIM which balances the networks.
Probably not that big of a deal. I get good coverage. You will too.
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OK.....I have a ATTWS GSM National Family Share.....A Nokia 6200 and 2 Nokia 3395's. I upgraded to this service on 6/17/2005, prior to the merger/buyout.
I had wonderful service when I travelled from Pittsburgh to Rehoboth Beach, DE. I travelled PA Turnpike thru Frderick MD to Annapolis, MD cross the Bay Bridge -- service could not have been better.
Through the whole trip, my phone's banner read "ATTWS" and through Delaware, a combination of ATTWS and Cingular. Can I expect to have the same service this summer.
I had wonderful service when I travelled from Pittsburgh to Rehoboth Beach, DE. I travelled PA Turnpike thru Frderick MD to Annapolis, MD cross the Bay Bridge -- service could not have been better.
Through the whole trip, my phone's banner read "ATTWS" and through Delaware, a combination of ATTWS and Cingular. Can I expect to have the same service this summer.
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No you won't expect or get the same coverage you had before, for 2 reasons. 1:The former attws lost their roam agreements with other carriers so you can only rely on "former att towers" or cingular towers, and 2:"former att" are there but are no where the signal strength of the cingular towers, and your "former att" phone is designed to pick up a weaker "att" signal over a stronger signal from another carrier, since "blue" is your primary carrier.
If you want access to really good signal, migrate over to the "new cingular" otherwise suffer with the crappier "blue signal" BTW i am a "blue rep" and i can tell you cuz other customers have the same issues now!!!!!!!
Cingular has to honour the plan you were on when att went out of business...
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If you want access to really good signal, migrate over to the "new cingular" otherwise suffer with the crappier "blue signal" BTW i am a "blue rep" and i can tell you cuz other customers have the same issues now!!!!!!!
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Heres the basic answer, the phone doesnt mean much, if it is unlocked great you can use it with anyone anytime, but what lets you get proper access to both networks is the SIM card, if you have an AWS sim it is programed to seek AWS towers first and foremost, same is tru with an old Cingular sim card, if you have a New Cingular sim card, 64k card, then you get both networks no matter what kind of phone you have as long as it has the right fequencies, so in the end if you still have an AWS sim card your service will not change, if anyone else has already answered this in this way good for you but I didnt read it. 😁
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