***AT&T adds fewer new contract customers 1Q 2010!!!!!
Bad sign for AT&T: fewer new contract customers
AT&T Inc. added fewer wireless customers with contracts in the first quarter than it has since 2004, an indication that the saturation of the market is even starting to catch up with the carrier of the iPhone.
The country's largest telecommunications provider said Wednesday that it added a net 512,000 wireless customers under contracts, down 43 percent from a year ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/ap_on_hi_te/us_e ... »
AT&T Inc. added fewer wireless customers with contracts in the first quarter than it has since 2004, an indication that the saturation of the market is even starting to catch up with the carrier of the iPhone.
The country's largest telecommunications provider said Wednesday that it added a net 512,000 wireless customers under contracts, down 43 percent from a year ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/ap_on_hi_te/us_e ... »
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Cellenator said:
Bad sign for AT&T: fewer new contract customers
AT&T Inc. added fewer wireless customers with contracts in the first quarter than it has since 2004, an indication that the saturation of the market is even starting to catch up with the carrier of the iPhone.
The country's largest telecommunications provider said Wednesday that it added a net 512,000 wireless customers under contracts, down 43 percent from a year ago.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100421/ap_on_hi_te/us_e ... »
What about the churn rate numbers on Terminated/Port Out Customers? I'd be curious as to how many dropped from AT&T? I dropped both my lines at the end of March 2010 so I see that as just a very min ...
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Post paid churn fell to a record low 1.07% while overall churn decreased to 1.3%. the increase in prepaid adds is expected as prepaid growth is one of ATTs big focuses in 2010. You can spin numbers to say whatever you want but 1.9 million subcribers, record low churn, and a near 30% increase I revenue is a pretty solid month no matter how you look at it ( pretty sure tmobile or sprint would kill for those numbers)
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asiatic1982 said:
Post paid churn fell to a record low 1.07% while overall churn decreased to 1.3%. the increase in prepaid adds is expected as prepaid growth is one of ATTs big focuses in 2010. You can spin numbers to say whatever you want but 1.9 million subcribers, record low churn, and a near 30% increase I revenue is a pretty solid month no matter how you look at it ( pretty sure tmobile or sprint would kill for those numbers)
Numbers can be whatever they are. But it's only a matter of time before the churn out from AT&T starts to rise, which will be when the iPhone comes to VZW and eventually T-Mobile later on soon after. It's still a mystery as to whether Sprint gets the iPhone or not but they'll ...
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Remember what happened when at&t(cingular) lost exclusivity on the razr??? Oh wait, nothing. Their gross adds rose and their churn dropped.
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sunilsonia said:
Numbers can be whatever they are. But it's only a matter of time before the churn out from AT&T starts to rise, which will be when the iPhone comes to VZW and eventually T-Mobile later on soon after. It's still a mystery as to whether Sprint gets the iPhone or not but they'll be releasing some beastly yet eye catchers themselves too. It'll be interesting and fun to watch, that's for sure!
"numbers can be whatever they are"??? tell that to warren buffett, steve jobs, bill gates, etc
lol thats all that matters, and thats all that will ever matter
mods, please release the ban hammer for this tard
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you are so ANNOYING. go hang out in the verizon chat room and get off to the sound of your own voice...
i wonder if the company's drop rate has anything to do with the drop in employment in the past year...
because if you dont have a job, then you might not be able to afford a good cell phone.
just a thought.
oh, and i have had 7 occurances in the month of april where i have had to port someone over from verizon. just to let you know.
i wonder if the company's drop rate has anything to do with the drop in employment in the past year...
because if you dont have a job, then you might not be able to afford a good cell phone.
just a thought.
oh, and i have had 7 occurances in the month of april where i have had to port someone over from verizon. just to let you know.
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whatupitsdani said:
you are so ANNOYING. go hang out in the verizon chat room and get off to the sound of your own voice...
i wonder if the company's drop rate has anything to do with the drop in employment in the past year...
because if you dont have a job, then you might not be able to afford a good cell phone.
just a thought.
oh, and i have had 7 occurances in the month of april where i have had to port someone over from verizon. just to let you know.
Two instances here of a customer porting lines from at&t. And we're just getting started. Wait for June my friend. AT&T will lose plenty of customers amongst its iPhone user Population. There are a lot of people on AT&T who may not be voici...
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jesus, its really easy to forecast the future isn't it? but when the nubmers come out and you're proved wrong, what will you say then? next time? "oh dont worry, the perfect storm is just around the corner." lol
wait for june? what's going to happen in june? at&t is going to have customers extending contracts, keeping churn low. we'll have customers porting in left and right. apple has built a machine, and im not talking about the iphone, im talking about the way the iphone is marketed, and why they're more popular than any other phone out there. and it will stay that way, unless you have a reason that would change? verizon getting iphone? not until they have LTE fully deployed...
wait for june? what's going to happen in june? at&t is going to have customers extending contracts, keeping churn low. we'll have customers porting in left and right. apple has built a machine, and im not talking about the iphone, im talking about the way the iphone is marketed, and why they're more popular than any other phone out there. and it will stay that way, unless you have a reason that would change? verizon getting iphone? not until they have LTE fully deployed...
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new subscriber are low but revenue is high and churn is at an alltime low, lowest in the industry.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9280 »
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One of the things that certainly added to the company's wireless growth is the low churn rate(INFO) for the quarter, the lowest figures it has ever achieved. Its contract users had a 1.07 percent churn rate, and the inclusion of pre-paid users into the calculation only raises the figure marginally to 1.3 percent.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9280 »
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One of the things that certainly added to the company's wireless growth is the low churn rate(INFO) for the quarter, the lowest figures it has ever achieved. Its contract users had a 1.07 percent churn rate, and the inclusion of pre-paid users into the calculation only raises the figure marginally to 1.3 percent.
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deepskyblue said:
new subscriber are low but revenue is high and churn is at an alltime low, lowest in the industry.
http://www.mobileburn.com/news.jsp?Id=9280 »
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One of the things that certainly added to the company's wireless growth is the low churn rate(INFO) for the quarter, the lowest figures it has ever achieved. Its contract users had a 1.07 percent churn rate, and the inclusion of pre-paid users into the calculation only raises the figure marginally to 1.3 percent.
All that needs to happen for AT&T to lose a good share of their Customer base is FOR THE iPHONE TO GO ELSEWHERE TO A COMPETITOR CARRIER. WE ALL KNOW THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WITH THAT SAID, AT&T WILL FACE HIGHER CHURN ...
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Who is the Iphone going to, and when guess I missed that press release? I was under the impression that the contract was good until at least the end of the year. Walk into an at&t store, even if you dont want an iphone they try and sell you one. That is the phone that gets pushed, so of course it will be the one getting sold the most. I just dont understand why people have this hate toward at&t.
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get to the point said:
I just dont understand why people have this hate toward at&t.
Because artificial device exclusivity destroys the supply/demand curve and completely circumvents the operation of a free marketplace?
Look at what's happening in Europe where multiple carriers offer the iPhone. The economics are completely different. Even if there never is a CDMA iPhone for Verizon or Sprint, allowing t-mobile and the other regional GSM carriers to stock the device would be sufficient competition to restore the supply/demand curve.
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I am replying to your comment after a few drinks. But did you just blame aT&T for the down turn in the American economy?
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get to the point said:
I am replying to your comment after a few drinks. But did you just blame aT&T for the down turn in the American economy?
Umm... try again once you get sobered up, m'K?
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O' great wise one. Then what are you trying to say? So are you telling me AT&T has or has not inpacted the economy.
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....interesting....so the problem is that Apple took AT&T's $10 million and *agreed* to let them be the exclusive service provider in the US?
now they should let t-mobile in too without paying them any $$?
now they should let t-mobile in too without paying them any $$?
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insider. said:
....interesting....so the problem is that Apple took AT&T's $10 million and *agreed* to let them be the exclusive service provider in the US?
now they should let t-mobile in too without paying them any $$?
Oh, of course T-mobile would have to pay for what they get, but the exclusivity agreement with AT&T artificial sets the "cost of doing business with Apple" at $infinity$.
No economic system can function when one of the cash variables is infinity. Just ask the CBO and their analysis of the "no lifetime caps on health care costs, but pay the same premium as everybody else" clause in the new Health Care RamRod Act.
T-mobile could offer Apple $100,000,000,000,000,000,000 for the ...
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$100 quintillion. Guess T-mogile is doing a little better then I thought.
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That's the point. Even if they had that kind of money, the answer would still be:
NO WAY!!!
How is that a sound free market practice? Exclusivity deals are inherently broken. They cannot be fixed, they must be eliminated.
NO WAY!!!
How is that a sound free market practice? Exclusivity deals are inherently broken. They cannot be fixed, they must be eliminated.
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For someone touting free market policy, your ideas sound like a communist style managed economy.
Here are some relevent questions...
Is requiring a manufacturer to offer it's product to every retailer a free market practice?
Should retailers then inturn be required to carry product of any manufacturer that wants them to?
Apple does not have a monopoly on quality phones, they just built one that was years ahead of every other phone in the market.
So apples phone has produced competition, not the other way around, other phone makers are stepping it up to make phones that can come close.
The market impact of the iphone is that now there are more manufacturers making the feature rich phones that consumers want. further, now...
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Here are some relevent questions...
Is requiring a manufacturer to offer it's product to every retailer a free market practice?
Should retailers then inturn be required to carry product of any manufacturer that wants them to?
Apple does not have a monopoly on quality phones, they just built one that was years ahead of every other phone in the market.
So apples phone has produced competition, not the other way around, other phone makers are stepping it up to make phones that can come close.
The market impact of the iphone is that now there are more manufacturers making the feature rich phones that consumers want. further, now...
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deepskyblue said:
For someone touting free market policy, your ideas sound like a communist style managed economy.
There are two kinds of market regulation: anti-competitive and anti-monopoly. Communism seeks to force all production to occur under the banner of the state- a forced monopoly.
I favor regulation which broadens the scope of competition to resemble a more natural supply/demand curve relationship, an anti-monopolistic behavior.
A little research on the Carterfone judgement should give you a fair idea of where I stand on equipment/service provider neutrality. I believe the Carterfone decision should be applied to cellular operators and manufacturers.
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It's bull.... rumors and speculation.
iPhone has been months away from VZW for years now.
The *ONLY* way Verizon will get one, is when Apple sees Android numbers and sh..s itself.
*NO* one has answered vital questions that caused Apple not to go VZW in the first place.
But... we wouldn't want to discuss that as a fanboi now would we?
Stop spouting BS as gospel.
iPhone has been months away from VZW for years now.
The *ONLY* way Verizon will get one, is when Apple sees Android numbers and sh..s itself.
*NO* one has answered vital questions that caused Apple not to go VZW in the first place.
But... we wouldn't want to discuss that as a fanboi now would we?
Stop spouting BS as gospel.
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Couldnt have said it better. The guy sounds like George Bush Jr. after 9/11. WMD's this, WMD's that, only to discover that there were none and the whole argument was always based on speculation, not fact.
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Even if a CDMA iPhone never develops, offering unlocked models for T-mobile and the other USA GSM carriers would be enough to cause some serious, serious concerns for AT&T management and shareholders.
The iPhone is a compelling device, but there is no question at all that AT&T is a one-horse show and has been for nearly 3 years now. They have failed to truly compete in the marketplace in any meaningful way outside of greasing up Steve B. Jobs day in and day out.
The iPhone is a compelling device, but there is no question at all that AT&T is a one-horse show and has been for nearly 3 years now. They have failed to truly compete in the marketplace in any meaningful way outside of greasing up Steve B. Jobs day in and day out.
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one horse show?
-85 million active lines
-11 million active iphones
-2 largest geographic coverage in america
-highest revenue of all u.s. cell companies
-fastest data speeds of u.s. carriers
the iphone is a nice boon for att, but most att cusomers are noniphone customers.
they must have other reasons for choosing att.
how many horses is your carrier running?
-85 million active lines
-11 million active iphones
-2 largest geographic coverage in america
-highest revenue of all u.s. cell companies
-fastest data speeds of u.s. carriers
the iphone is a nice boon for att, but most att cusomers are noniphone customers.
they must have other reasons for choosing att.
how many horses is your carrier running?
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That was so, so funny when you said "The *ONLY* way Verizon will get one, is when Apple sees Android numbers and sh..s itself*", that was so, so funny!!!
Well, I left ATT, to get the Droid from Verizon. So you can count me in those numbers.
Well, I left ATT, to get the Droid from Verizon. So you can count me in those numbers.
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at&t has other phones besides the iphone...
did you know that in fact, my store doesnt even carry the iphone...
so, except for the occasional person who cant be swayed, ive never sold one iphone...but i sure do have alot of customers...
do you think that when this great prediction of yours comes true, and everyone goes to verizon to get an iphone, do you think all of my other customers will switch to verizon too?? even if they hate the iphone about as much as i do??
hmmm....something to think about...
did you know that in fact, my store doesnt even carry the iphone...
so, except for the occasional person who cant be swayed, ive never sold one iphone...but i sure do have alot of customers...
do you think that when this great prediction of yours comes true, and everyone goes to verizon to get an iphone, do you think all of my other customers will switch to verizon too?? even if they hate the iphone about as much as i do??
hmmm....something to think about...
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I left ATT too. Went to Verizon for the Droid, cause ATT !!FKD!! up Android.
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predictable market trend, most carriers will experiance this.
cars sale were astronomical until everybody had a car, then they slowed dramatically.
it will be the battle of the buldge soon. where the main way to make signifigant gains it to get customers from other companies.
cars sale were astronomical until everybody had a car, then they slowed dramatically.
it will be the battle of the buldge soon. where the main way to make signifigant gains it to get customers from other companies.
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It's been that battle for a couple of years now. Between this and the talk of the incoming superiority of T1, I'm now thoroughly convinced you are from the past.
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Unfortunately for Big Red, it didn’t fare as well as Ma Bell. Over the past three months, 423,000 new post-paid customers put ink to a contract. Overall, Verizon gained 1.5 million net customers to bring its overall total to 92.8 million. Postpaid churn matched AT&T’s 1.07%, while the overall rate was 1.4%.
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/04/22/verizon-po ... »
http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/04/22/verizon-po ... »
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That wouldn't affect BOTH companies would it? naw... it's *GOT* to be fanboi fuel *Rolls eyes*
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The market has probably been saturated for 1-2 years now, ATT and Verizon were able to offset that by picking up the customers that Sprint was bleeding out. Now that Sprint has at least slowed down the bleeding you are starting to see ATT and Verizons numbers slow down. (at least that's my take on the situation)
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Ummm that's the exact point I was trying to make. ATT adding fewer contract subscribers is not something to e worrie about as even Verizon, which normally has the strongest retail postpaid growth out of all carriers was down in 1Q as well. I'm sick of all the immature idiots on here who know nothing about the industry posting a blurb from a website that they can't even truly comprehend.
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Hehe, yeah. I'm pretty sure that all major cell carrier are seeing a drop in adds recently.
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