Cingular Pride
I have to say that I'm proud to be a Cingular agent. All these guys on here run Cingular down and talk about how great Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and whoever else is.
But think about it: Cingular has converted to GSM in a brief period of time and is now acquiring its next biggest GSM rival. Say what you want, but no other company is as aggressively moving forward on a nationwide scale.
And what was up with all these guys correcting everyone saying it's a merger, not a buyout. Cingular is buying ATTW. Read the headlines. And there are no indications that the name Cingular is going anywhere.
Wake up people. There will be a new number one.
tz
But think about it: Cingular has converted to GSM in a brief period of time and is now acquiring its next biggest GSM rival. Say what you want, but no other company is as aggressively moving forward on a nationwide scale.
And what was up with all these guys correcting everyone saying it's a merger, not a buyout. Cingular is buying ATTW. Read the headlines. And there are no indications that the name Cingular is going anywhere.
Wake up people. There will be a new number one.
tz
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When you say, "There will be a new number one..." what exactly are you referring to? Number one in network reliability? Number one in customer service? The new Cingular will undoubtedly be number one in U.S. market share upon finalization, but that's about it. The rest are arguable. 🙄
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Not the 850mhz conversion markets-they suck big time. Poor audio quality, echoes, noises. One of the reasons I paid the ETF and stuck with my Sprint Free & Clear America plan.
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Oh yay, now there are only 2 GSM carriers in the USA. By the time Cingular makes it to 3g the rest of the country will be well on its way to 4g. Quite frankly Cingular will in all probability be forced to sell off PCS or even cellular licenses like Verizon was (How do you think Cingular got Seattle and Spokane?) where they owned multiple licenses. Cingular is a company with a reputation for consumer complaints just like ATTWS. As far as coverage goes, Cingular will need to build out aggressively in former ATTWS markets to even be on par with SPCS or T-Mo. ATTWS network has deteriorated to the point of being the worst choice in the Northwest. When Cingular does make it to 3g their phones will not talk to the rest of the industry. Let's face i...
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If anything, I imagine this would speed up the move to 3G with the new spectrum licenses they'll have. As for your claims against GSM, I don't know what the numbers are here in the US, but worldwide (including the highly competitive asian market, where a great deal of the new phone technology ideas come from), GSM is WAY larger. And where in the world do you come up with "Cingular will need to build out aggressively in former ATTWS markets to even be on par with SPCS or T-Mo"? T-Mobile? they don't even compare to the coverage of Cingular OR AT&T Wireless, much less, the combined company. In fact, you say yourself that the combined company will have a larger customer base, and while there are still some people in these companies not on GSM, h...
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'cuz he's another cdma 'tard.
i'm really starting to think that part of vzw & spc's care training involved brainwashing that cdma is their new god, bow to their new god, and preach it's gospel.
i'm really starting to think that part of vzw & spc's care training involved brainwashing that cdma is their new god, bow to their new god, and preach it's gospel.
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Thanks so much for setting us straight! I wish there were more people on the internet like you to keep us all so well informed. How do you know so much?!?
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Foolish CDMA is ok do you work for verison because all those guys are brainwashed and beleive cingular is going under. they are so brainwashed CDMA does not even matach up with GSM. All your features work no mattter where you are on the GSM network. CDMA you need one map for your features and one map for your calling. Verizon is number one because they have a technology that has been around a lot longer in the US than GSM. Come on stop being so brainwashed by Verizon think for yourself.
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Oh yay, now there are only 2 GSM carriers in the USA. By the time Cingular makes it to 3g the rest of the country will be well on its way to 4g. Quite frankly Cingular will in all probability be forced to sell off PCS or even cellular licenses like Verizon was (How do you think Cingular got Seattle and Spokane?) where they owned multiple licenses. Cingular is a company with a reputation for consumer complaints just like ATTWS. As far as coverage goes, Cingular will need to build out aggressively in former ATTWS markets to even be on par with SPCS or T-Mo. ATTWS network has deteriorated to the point of being the worst choice in the Northwest. When Cingular does make it to 3g their phones will not talk to
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Sprint, who you dog so aggressively... lemme see, don't THEY use CDMA as well? T-Mo is a GSM carrier, so that's apples to oranges. As for our customer base being mostly due to ATTWS, So is the vast majority of Verizon, who built their network through acquisitions, albeit more smaller companies. That's just the way the game is played, yet you seem to think that buying ATTWS somehow makes Cingular the "evil cheater". The facts bear out... the WORLD operates on GSM, and until the CDMA boys figure this out, they will always lag behind GSM technologies. And before you jump on the W-CDMA kick, understand that W-CDMA is a GSM product, not an updated CDMA. You remember W-CDMA, the technology all those cool features they have in Korea, Japan, etc. ru...
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Sprint, who you dog so aggressively... lemme see, don't THEY use CDMA as well? T-Mo is a GSM carrier, so that's apples to oranges. As for our customer base being mostly due to ATTWS, So is the vast majority of Verizon, who built their network through acquisitions, albeit more smaller companies. That's just the way the game is played, yet you seem to think that buying ATTWS somehow makes Cingular the "evil cheater". The facts bear out... the WORLD operates on GSM, and until the CDMA boys figure this out, they will always lag behind GSM technologies. And before you jump on the W-CDMA kick, understand that W-CDMA is a GSM product, not an updated CDMA. You remember W-CDMA, the technology all those cool fea
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about as much as we love when you cdma guys preach how perfect your service is when it's far from it (i get more calls needing assistance from people porting in from vzw then cing & t-mo combined).
besides cdma and it's future upgrades look good on paper but atm it's not functioning any better the gprs or edge in the real world.
besides cdma and it's future upgrades look good on paper but atm it's not functioning any better the gprs or edge in the real world.
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I'm not trying to "preach". Ane yes, I DO have service through Verizon. But do I think that ATTWS, Tmob, or Cingular "suck" 'cause they're GSM carriers? Hell no. I'm aware that Verizon touts itself as "the best"...and that's self promotion on their part. I'm also aware that every carrier's strength is do to location. BUT...if you do read up on EV-DO compared to EDGE, EV-DO is superior. Both in speed and reliability...they trials set up in Washington, D.C. and San Diego are meeting with tremendous success (average speeds in the 300-500 kbps range, with bursts up to 2 mbps). This is fact...and it's also fact that EDGE doesn't quite compare. Don't take it personally...I'm just giving you the facts. I'm no GSM hater (in fact, I'm jealous of all ...
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from what all i've read on ev-do is it was paper (even with the dc tests). but i will wait until it's national launch to hold a real opinion and you should to with umts/w-cdma comming this summer. will be interesting none the less and about damn time too. : P
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MW2 said:
from what all i've read on ev-do is it was paper (even with the dc tests). but i will wait until it's national launch to hold a real opinion and you should to with umts/w-cdma comming this summer. will be interesting none the less and about damn time too. : P
That's just the thing, though...it's not a paper technology. Two separate companies have EV-DO up and running smoothly for Verizon in both San Diego and Washington, D.C. And I'm looking forward to the WCDMA trials from ATTWS as well.
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by paper i meant it looks good on paper. i am waiting to see how it does on a national level as it's not nearly that difficult to make one or two cities run it well but seeing them doing it nationwide is another story. which is why i can't wait to see what happens when ev-do and wcdma/umts are both nationally launched (i know that umts is initially being launched in 4 cites this summer with 2 more right afterwards and it may be sometime next year before it gets a national launch).
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"If Cingular is so far behind the times, why does over 80% of the Fortune 1000 use our wireless data solutions?"
Just because 80% of the Fortune 1000 use Cingular's wireless data solutions (which, mind you, I was UNABLE to verify) doesn't mean Cingular's data solutions are superior to the rest of the industry's. It just means Cingular outbid its competition. When EV-DO gets the complete rollout this summer you can't possibly tell me that EDGE will compare. Not even close. Pfft.
Just because 80% of the Fortune 1000 use Cingular's wireless data solutions (which, mind you, I was UNABLE to verify) doesn't mean Cingular's data solutions are superior to the rest of the industry's. It just means Cingular outbid its competition. When EV-DO gets the complete rollout this summer you can't possibly tell me that EDGE will compare. Not even close. Pfft.
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EV-DO will have one major downfall - it's speed bursts or "burstiness"... this makes it unsuitable for enterprise class business solutions, which will in all likelihood be its primary interest group. Although EDGE may function at slower speeds, it is far more speed-stable than EV-DO. And, yes I said CDMA lags behind GSM... the most sophisticated networks in existence are the highly touted W-CDMA networks in use in places like Korea, Japan and China... and as I already pointed out, this is a GSM standard.
Sometimes it is a good idea to step back from all the hype a company feeds its reps, and explore for oneself.
Sometimes it is a good idea to step back from all the hype a company feeds its reps, and explore for oneself.
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EV-DO will have average speeds of 300-500 kbps when Verizon gets it rolled out this summer. It will have "bursts" up to 2 mbps. Now...YOU step back and compare that to EDGE's average speeds and "burstiness".
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Yet again, on paper it'll look good. Who the hell cares anyway? Verizon spends all its time and money on rolling out EV-DO nationwide, while a combined AWS/Cingular will be starting to roll out UMTS nationwide, which has speeds even higher then EV-DO (on paper) 😛
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The big kicker aginst EvDO is the limited upload speeds. EvDO will rule for the common user who just downloads things all the time, but anybody sending things like MMS or business users sending files via PC cards will be limited to 40-60Kbps. You might as well plug into a landline for that. 😈
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ralph_on_me said:
The big kicker aginst EvDO is the limited upload speeds. EvDO will rule for the common user who just downloads things all the time, but anybody sending things like MMS or business users sending files via PC cards will be limited to 40-60Kbps. You might as well plug into a landline for that. 😈
Actually, check out EV-DO release A...upload speeds up to 1.8mbps. That's slightly faster than 40-60kbps. Designed with video conferencing in mind.
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ralph_on_me said:
http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20040408.html »
just read it yourself, i'm not a preacher
Nor did I ask if you were one. I'm just referring to the article that's on the HOMEPAGE of this very website. Happy reading.
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Any of you guys ever download an MP3 and get a huge speed burst during the d/l? Remember that annoying squeal you get on playback? Thats due to the file moving faster than the receiver can handle. Now make that a mission critical Excel spreadsheet, and your job or presentation counting on it, and ask me... which is more important - speed or stability?
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