Is Cingular Run By Retards???
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otamywy said:
The rep had me on hold for 35 minutes while he waited to talk to someone. According to him, it was a department that could add the feature back on. He relayed the message to me that they (whoever they are) said the feature expired, blah, blah, blah. He made it sound like he fought for me, so I couldn't go postal on him. I'm going to try the corporate store where I signed my contract.
Well i'm sorry for what happened, but they CAN'T re-add it, not that they WON'T ,but CAN'T, what happens is that when a feature plan or promotions becomes "retired" or "expired" that promo, plan or feature is removed from the system, its removed as the company does it for 2 reasons: 1)customer calsl in and want...
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lordrevan05 said:
πΏ That doesn't take away from the fact that he had a cool plan and now as I've mentioned so many times before, he has one of these "Now that we own AT&T, we can f@#k anyone we want to now dataplans"! Damn it pisses me off to have to work for these people with a smile on my face while they screw the little guy. The dataplans and new FT plans are going to be a major problem down the line especially with situations like this one πΏ
If you don't like it then leave, its not rocket science.We are not a charity, and its good to make money!,so like i said before, if you don't like it leave!!
otamywy said:
I wish I could. I intentionally signed my contract on 2/9 b/c I heard on this forum that the rates were going to change on 2/11. I got the V180 with the intention of exchanging it with the S710a when it came out. Well, I bought the S710a w/o contract b/c I got 30% off, which turned out to be less than the contract price. I have since sold the V180 on ebay, so I assume I'm SOL. Damn it, I was so excited about Cingular too, better coverage, better plan, bad ass phone...Classic bait and switch. Patua, that's me spitting on Cingular.
Sounds like karma just but ya in the butt, ya got greedy, getting discount off on the 2nd phone, locking yoself in the contract then selling the v-180, so karma...
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Mr.PIR said:...otamywy said:
I wish I could. I intentionally signed my contract on 2/9 b/c I heard on this forum that the rates were going to change on 2/11. I got the V180 with the intention of exchanging it with the S710a when it came out. Well, I bought the S710a w/o contract b/c I got 30% off, which turned out to be less than the contract price. I have since sold the V180 on ebay, so I assume I'm SOL. Damn it, I was so excited about Cingular too, better coverage, better plan, bad ass phone...Classic bait and switch. Patua, that's me spitting on Cingular.
Sounds like karma just but ya in the butt, ya got greedy, getting discount off on the 2nd phone, locking yoself in the contract
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Oh, and BTW, once a feature code expires, there is NO way to add it back in. It becomes completely unavailble in the systems to add.
BTW, the people I know that would post something like that are fellow scadiens... would you happen to be one?
adilus said:
Wow... harsh man harsh... love the post though...
BTW, the people I know that would post something like that are fellow scadiens... would you happen to be one?
Dunno about him, but I am... π
lordrevan05 said:
π And further more you're not making s#!%. BLUEGUY. Stan Sigman and the bigshots are. You're just a corporate owned peon!!!
Why you yelling at me man? Blueguy is now bluerguy and he isn't here.Its not my job to crtique the p&p, just to enforce it.
I think you need to lay the ceffeine a little bit!
Mr.PIR said:...otamywy said:
The rep had me on hold for 35 minutes while he waited to talk to someone. According to him, it was a department that could add the feature back on. He relayed the message to me that they (whoever they are) said the feature expired, blah, blah, blah. He made it sound like he fought for me, so I couldn't go postal on him. I'm going to try the corporate store where I signed my contract.
Well i'm sorry for what happened, but they CAN'T re-add it, not that they WON'T ,but CAN'T, what happens is that when a feature plan or promotions becomes "retired" or "expired" that promo, plan or feature is removed from the system, its removed as the company does it for 2 reas
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jramossteel said:...Mr.PIR said:otamywy said:
The rep had me on hold for 35 minutes while he waited to talk to someone. According to him, it was a department that could add the feature back on. He relayed the message to me that they (whoever they are) said the feature expired, blah, blah, blah. He made it sound like he fought for me, so I couldn't go postal on him. I'm going to try the corporate store where I signed my contract.
Well i'm sorry for what happened, but they CAN'T re-add it, not that they WON'T ,but CAN'T, what happens is that when a feature plan or promotions becomes "retired" or "expired" that promo, plan or feature is removed from the system, its rem
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coldsteel said:
Dude, it's in Grandfathered features. The guy's in a Telegence market, unfortunately, otherwise I would have fixed it already...
Any telegance reps here?
lordrevan05 said:
π‘ If it was grandfathered in he should have been able to get it back. This is so frigging unfair to the customer. And many wonder why we get the crap customer service reports we do πΏ
no, grandfathered plans aren;t in the computer systems anymore, so once the feature gets dropped off, they can't magically make it reappear.
lordrevan05 said:
π‘ If it was grandfathered in he should have been able to get it back. This is so frigging unfair to the customer. And many wonder why we get the crap customer service reports we do πΏ
This is what happens.When a plan is grandfathered in, then what happens is that the plan, feature, promotion whatever you wanna call it is removed out of the billing and backup system.Whoever has it on their account can keep it for as long as nothing is changed.
When the above mentioned is removed, either by accident or on purpose, then its gone forever.The reason is that it stayed in the system as long as it was an active feature.Soon as it became inactive, like removed accidentally , or if customer...
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I can help. just might take a few days while its being processed. but it will be done.. escpiclly if it was on his contract.
coldsteel said:
Dude, it's in Grandfathered features. The guy's in a Telegence market, unfortunately, otherwise I would have fixed it already...
Dude, once its remove it dissappers, grandfathered doesn't meean that you remove it ,then re-add, thats the problem in the first place, when you remove itgoes *POOF*, it is only on the system as long as its on the account, once its removed then it gone forever, it can't comeback.
jramossteel said:
That is not true... If you worked for Cingular as long as you claim to have, you would know that.
Oh my god, i swear Every Store rep thinks they know it all, the fact is this: there Were system MODS done to the 4 sytems, Telegence, Care , and the Blue side Siebel and AXYS.
They want everything to be working the same way.So whatwas done that that once a "grandfathered" plan, promotion, feature is removed,its automatically removed permantly.
you, i may not like it, but it was done because the fact is the Company DOES NOT TRUST REPS, EITHER CUSTOMER CARE OR SALES, the fact is reps will to please a customer offer them expired offers to keep them on service.So this was changed to prevent t...
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jramossteel said:
That is not the case... BECAUSE, we have had to do it in my store... AND as long as the account is noted properly it won't be taken off, AND as long as they see that the feature was taken off and then put right back on there would be no issue... I know this from past experience.
Jackie, the past is the past, and i got news for you, you could remove it off*grandfathered*, then write *please, oh god please re add it in the notes* the fact is that they *cingular management took a concept that attws was doing before which was removing the expired features out of the sytem so that as long as the feature was active it ewould stay, but as soon a the feature became deactivated, such as removal or ...
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Mr.PIR said:...jramossteel said:
That is not the case... BECAUSE, we have had to do it in my store... AND as long as the account is noted properly it won't be taken off, AND as long as they see that the feature was taken off and then put right back on there would be no issue... I know this from past experience.
Jackie, the past is the past, and i got news for you, you could remove it off*grandfathered*, then write *please, oh god please re add it in the notes* the fact is that they *cingular management took a concept that attws was doing before which was removing the expired features out of the sytem so that as long as the feature was active it ewould stay, but as soon a the feature became
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If its not in the system,you aploigize, then place on the most comparable feature then place an appropriate compensatory credit onto the account.They do not get out of the contract without an ETF, their contract is not nased on part of the puzzle, thats like saying, oh you got a discount for a phone, but we lost your text messaging package, so you can cancel and no penalty, no it does not!!!
Errors happen. if its able to be re-added, then do it, if it can't you do the best to replace it.
Ask any lawyer you know.. if the customer signs a contract that Says that he has a certain plan and certain features, Cingular has to abide by that agreement. If we remove anything off of that plan without the customer permisson, or change his plan without his permission that is a breach of contract.
Why do you think customers can keep grandfathered pacakges after we dicountiune them? If this was not a breach of contract we could happly change the customers price plan any time we wanted.
BTW.. do a search in CSP if you have access to it:
Description: Expired price plan or SOC request
Under valid reasons to request an expired price plan request you will see this line"
"Customer calls i...
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If you also look it says subject to availablility, if its not in the system anymore, then what are they gonna do pull it out of their behinds, No thats why they were given credit, and the customer accepted the credit, so the matter is closed!!!!!
Mr.PIR said:
The contract is for the voice plan and dicsount of the phone.If you read the terms of service it says we ARE allowed to make changes to their plan without prior notification.
If you also look it says subject to availablility, if its not in the system anymore, then what are they gonna do pull it out of their behinds, No thats why they were given credit, and the customer accepted the credit, so the matter is closed!!!!!
Umm did you actully read the contract or make this up?
If you read the contract under "Changes to Terms and Rates" it says :
"We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, charges regarding your service at any time BUT..... We wil provide you with notice of such ch...
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scapegoat said:
Umm did you actully read the contract or make this up?
If you read the contract under "Changes to Terms and Rates" it says :
"We may change any terms, conditions, rates, fees, charges regarding your service at any time BUT..... We wil provide you with notice of such changes. "
And then right below that it reads:
"IF WE INCREASE THE PRICE OF ANY OF THE SERVICES TO WHICH YOU SUBSCRIBE, AS SUCH PRICE ARE SET FORTH IN YOUR RATE PLAN BROCHUR, WE WILL DISCLOSE THE CHANGE AT LEAST ONE BILLING CYCLE IN ADVANCE"
And yes this covers rate plans and features
Well let's see, he was notified over the phone that it could not be put back on, so that was notification-check
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We all have to tell customers things that they may not feel is fair or just, but guess what it still has to be done. Try walking in his boots then question anything.Its a dirty thankless job, but it still has to be done.
The SOC's expire, but they do have a department which can add them back on. The rep is the one that screwed up, so they can/will/have to fix it. The only trick is getting somebody on the phone who knows how to help. Sadly, Jackie can't answer every phone call. π
(your name was Jackie, right jramos?) π
jramossteel said:
The point is that the customer had it and it was not provisioned right... Now with out going into great detail, on how our systems work, you know how easily is can be brought back... Any manager is sales would back me up... THis is not the customers fault this is something that our system did wrong.
Jackie, the system did not do ANYTING wrong, the rep who removed it did the wrong thing, thats why the Supervisor offered the person 4 months worth of credit.
I've run into similar problems with the 2.99/100 msg text package, but thank god I knew enough not to remove it or else it would be gone from what I see. The issue had to be escalated with a trouble ticket which I can only hope was fixed down the line. The "system" did screw up a few peoples text packages when the new ones came out, but the rep didn't help.
Grantizzle said:
not only does cingular have retards running it, but most of cingulars customers are retards them selves.
Let me guess, and VzW customers are all geniuses, right? π€£
jramossteel said:Grantizzle said:
not only does cingular have retards running it, but most of cingulars customers are retards them selves.
Let me guess, and VzW customers are all geniuses, right? π€£
And their reps too, right? π€£ π€£ π€£
Grantizzle said:
you couldn;t be more correct. VWZ affiliates are the smartest ever.
Joy... *looks at all the errors in that statement, bashes his head on his desk repeatedly*
ralph_on_me said:
I've run into similar problems with the 2.99/100 msg text package, but thank god I knew enough not to remove it or else it would be gone from what I see. The issue had to be escalated with a trouble ticket which I can only hope was fixed down the line. The "system" did screw up a few peoples text packages when the new ones came out, but the rep didn't help.
The FACTS ARE THIS, The Rep screwed up, yes!, no ddoubt about it, the system did what the rep told it to do, was not a system error, it was a idiot rep error, but the system were alered so they can be given back.
That like if i had a blue customer woh had the "grandfathered 39.99 local 400 included with the expired 600 addtional ...
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jramossteel said:
But the system did mess up because the customer was unable to use his features. Did you ever think of it that way?
it should have been escalated to Tech, to see whatwas going on, so the Rep SCREWED the POOCH, but don't blame the system, blame the rep.It still won't bring back the feature.
This must be part of that new math
busterhyman said:
So what your trying to say here is that Cingular should not be held accountable for a rep messing up this guys plan, and that some how $8.00 credit would make up for the $48.00 more he's going to be charged?
This must be part of that new math
Sorry actually It was a total of $32.00 in credit, which for the record is still less than $48.00 ($2.00 more times 24 months)
jramossteel said:
No sometimes the only way to fix things is to re-provision it by taking it off and add it back on.
no its not, thats why they have Tier I and Tier II tech, to fix the problem without removing anything.
jramossteel said:
No you are supposed to call Tier I or tier II if you can't fix the problem on your own... If I called customer service or tech support everytime a customer came into my location with a problem, I would never leave the phone.
Then be prepared that if you remove off ANY grandfathered offer or promotion or feature, cuz it now goes *POOF*, and you'll be blamed, but the system won't be able to save your butt on that.
mleanne0 said:
Mr PIR I do not know where you are, but I added this feature back on for a customer just today in the same situation! You are so full of crap! It has not disappeared from the system it is right in front of my face! Are you a supervisor or mentor? Cause if so man I feel bad for your team! I also feel like the rep previously man cingular is soooooo greedy in comparison to other companies it makes me feel ethically bad at work! When I have a customer that is truly needing a credit due to our error and we say "Now I want you to know this is a one time courtesy credit!" UGH!
Then I would suggest you get off your behind and find a job somewhere else.You can add it, but the system itself will remove ...
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I've been very pleasant on the phone, very proud of myself, just got off again and got a $48 dollar credit, $2 difference for 24 months. I still get jipped on text mails and data, but I made my complaint to the BBB and FTC. Matter is resolved, unless they take action, which is doubtful.
This has been an enlightening experience, Cingular, not what I expected.
jramossteel said:
Wow, no sympathy... Especially when it is not his fault...
There's sympathy...and empathy.I may empathize with the person's situation but i also still have to deal with situation the same way.If people showed more empathy and less sympathy them maybe sollutions would be found rather then just "i'm sorry muffin".Sympathy gets you nowhere.
otamywy said:
Fix my problem, and I'll take it all back and apologize.
The problem is fixed, when you took the credit after talking to the Supervisor, that closed the matter.When you have a dispute over anything, and you take compensation over the matter, as far as the company is concerned it a closed matter not to be re-opened again.
you don't get a second bite at the apple, you talked to a supervisor who explained it to you, the situation, and were given the credit.
The matter is over and done, gonna have to move past it.
Mr.PIR said:
They get complaints from all kinds of people about all kinds of companies.That complaint will get filed in their wastebasket
Mr. Pir, that is not true. My friend works for the BBB and they file all complaints. If one company receives too many they WILL be investigated. Whether they are punished in anyway is up to the BBB. I agree with someone earlier, they said if you are going to make replies with information YOU and only YOU feel is correct, please investigate it before you start berating people on a subject you know nothing about.
Mr.PIR said:...otamywy said:
The rep had me on hold for 35 minutes while he waited to talk to someone. According to him, it was a department that could add the feature back on. He relayed the message to me that they (whoever they are) said the feature expired, blah, blah, blah. He made it sound like he fought for me, so I couldn't go postal on him. I'm going to try the corporate store where I signed my contract.
Well i'm sorry for what happened, but they CAN'T re-add it, not that they WON'T ,but CAN'T, what happens is that when a feature plan or promotions becomes "retired" or "expired" that promo, plan or feature is removed from the system, its removed as the company does it for 2 reas
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Very enlightening experience, Cingular is not what I had hoped.
halifax_gal said:
I think y'all have unrealistic expectations of a cell service. we dont' walk on water people! Sorry for the mistake, but we can only do so much without basic human error getting in the way.
I like you , you're honest to the point, you i asssume work in the Halifax convergys site?
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Yes.. It can be fixed in a Telegence market. It is called the βExpired Price Plan/SOC Formβ which follows the following tree. Rep fills out and emails to Manager, Manager forwards to Area Manager, Area Manager forwards to Revenue Assurance who add the code back on the account. It is a 48 hour turn from when RA receives it.
Done.
thickjake said:
Man, by all the hoopla over this issue, the title of the thread kinda fits.
Yes.. It can be fixed in a Telegence market. It is called the βExpired Price Plan/SOC Formβ which follows the following tree. Rep fills out and emails to Manager, Manager forwards to Area Manager, Area Manager forwards to Revenue Assurance who add the code back on the account. It is a 48 hour turn from when RA receives it.
Done.
Finally!
Someone who actully knows something... this is what ive posted already.
Description: Expired price plan or SOC request
There is the CSP search even if you want to find the form
simple.
jramossteel said:
Most of us are not in telegence markets and did not have access... I know I tried, I even emailed back and forth with him a couple of times trying to help π€
god i wish i wouldn't have taken a few days off of the forum. There were SOOO many comments made by Mr. PIR that were wrong, that i would have had some fun. π
just FYI, old SOC's can be added on, but once they are considered "expired", the sales rep doesnt make commission on them.
glad this got resolved for the original poster.
i agree, the way things look to me, mr pir DOES look to be blueguy.