how can i get media net instead of PDA connect?
i have been up til now that i recently deselected my media net cuz i didnt need it temporarilly, but when i went back to reselect it at their website, suddenly their system is matching my plan options with my selected phone which is a "pda" phone thus the pda connect service is only available to me which IMO is rediculous. if they wanna charge more for the same service they should make it ...not the same but better. i already paid more for having a "pda" phone by buying the expensive phone itself.
anyway, i tried changing my phone in my profile on the website to a non-pda-phone but so far my options available to me are for pda users. so i'm wondering if i were to call in to complain, will the rep have a way of knowing what phone i re...
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anyway, i tried changing my phone in my profile on the website to a non-pda-phone but so far my options available to me are for pda users. so i'm wondering if i were to call in to complain, will the rep have a way of knowing what phone i re...
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If you have a PDA on your account, then you should be paying for the PDA internet plans - you're transferring much more data with your pda than you would with lets say a RAZR... hence the price difference. You already cheated the system for this long... game over.
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who's to say i'm using more bandwidth than with a razor? it's just a bs excuse of an assumption in place of a fairer method of pricing their packages based on bandwidth use and then measuring such usage.
it's a stupid aritrary method that lacks logic and reason. a razor using customer may use a lot more bandwidth than another pda user who actually may be using less but needs a qwerty keyboard for text messaging and email on a pda which you'd need a data package for, where the razor user may be using the same yet cheaper service but at the same time texting less without the need for a qwerty keyboard but going nuts with google maps and yellow pages cuz he works on the road.
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it's a stupid aritrary method that lacks logic and reason. a razor using customer may use a lot more bandwidth than another pda user who actually may be using less but needs a qwerty keyboard for text messaging and email on a pda which you'd need a data package for, where the razor user may be using the same yet cheaper service but at the same time texting less without the need for a qwerty keyboard but going nuts with google maps and yellow pages cuz he works on the road.
maybe my ghetto neighbor should be charged half as much f...
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Just curious, what provider would you go to? Which have a flat Internet package for both PDA and non PDA phones?
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First you say:
"it's a stupid aritrary method that lacks logic and reason. a razor using customer may use a lot more bandwidth than another pda user who actually may be using less"
and then you compare it to:
"maybe my ghetto neighbor should be charged half as much for his comcast cable cuz he's running a 433mhz windows 98 system with 128mg of ram?"
What happens if your ghetto neighbor uses his crap computer to run a server - then he'll be using more bandwith than you. Your arguments are whiney and self righetous. Step off your soap box and pay. You're still coming out ahead in the long run - you were paying $15 less a month than you should have been.
"Corporate puppet"? Nice. Here's a cookie. I payed for my PDA servic...
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"it's a stupid aritrary method that lacks logic and reason. a razor using customer may use a lot more bandwidth than another pda user who actually may be using less"
and then you compare it to:
"maybe my ghetto neighbor should be charged half as much for his comcast cable cuz he's running a 433mhz windows 98 system with 128mg of ram?"
What happens if your ghetto neighbor uses his crap computer to run a server - then he'll be using more bandwith than you. Your arguments are whiney and self righetous. Step off your soap box and pay. You're still coming out ahead in the long run - you were paying $15 less a month than you should have been.
"Corporate puppet"? Nice. Here's a cookie. I payed for my PDA servic...
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my ghetto neighbor running a server proves my point that the system is arbitrary because i'm getting charged more for less service in such a case and which is why comcast wouldn't bother with such a stupid system.
were you trying to help me prove my point cuz i didn't get what you meant in then end with all the name calling.
and i know you are not making it up and that it is the way they do it but it doesn't make it sensible. customers need to know what they're buying and know that it's fair. myself and my neighbor know that we both get the SAME unlimited comcast internet at home for the SAME price yet on our cellular plans again we both get the SAME unlimited EDGE internet package but get charged DIFFERENT prices because at&t wan...
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were you trying to help me prove my point cuz i didn't get what you meant in then end with all the name calling.
and i know you are not making it up and that it is the way they do it but it doesn't make it sensible. customers need to know what they're buying and know that it's fair. myself and my neighbor know that we both get the SAME unlimited comcast internet at home for the SAME price yet on our cellular plans again we both get the SAME unlimited EDGE internet package but get charged DIFFERENT prices because at&t wan...
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Your not getting the same service. My Motorola SLVR cannot access more than a few graphics its a text based internet service. Hence the 15.00 unlimited plan. Your PDA's have Internet Explorer or a full proprietory browser on them they access a full site that do not have to have a WAP portal on them. That is why it costs more bandwidth and usage help offset the actual cost to have people using the network. And no I am not a corporate puppet I just understand why there is a price difference.. This is why i support people buying phones at full cost and paying the actual cost of service per phone call per text message and per kb accessed then people would stop complaining.
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So your saying you can't download Opera Mini on to a Moto SLVR? I'm using an N95-3 and do almost all my internet surfing using Opera Mini, and I don't have internet at home, so literally 100% of my internet surfing is done for $15/mo using my N95-3. And that's a whole lot of internet surfing for $15/mo, there are at least 4 websites I go to daily including PhoneScoop, plus Yahoo email, and not including porn, so I do a whole lot of internet surfing for only $15/mo, and because I bought my device on good ole ebay, it't none of AT&T's business, just like it's none of the cable companies business what HDTV I have.
I wonder if Europeans have to put up with the same sh*t we do.
I wonder if Europeans have to put up with the same sh*t we do.
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Jayshmay said:
So your saying you can't download Opera Mini on to a Moto SLVR? I'm using an N95-3 and do almost all my internet surfing using Opera Mini, and I don't have internet at home, so literally 100% of my internet surfing is done for $15/mo using my N95-3. And that's a whole lot of internet surfing for $15/mo, there are at least 4 websites I go to daily including PhoneScoop, plus Yahoo email, and not including porn, so I do a whole lot of internet surfing for only $15/mo, and because I bought my device on good ole ebay, it't none of AT&T's business, just like it's none of the cable companies business what HDTV I have.
I wonder if Europeans have to put up with the same sh*t we do.
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AvgJoe said:...Jayshmay said:
So your saying you can't download Opera Mini on to a Moto SLVR? I'm using an N95-3 and do almost all my internet surfing using Opera Mini, and I don't have internet at home, so literally 100% of my internet surfing is done for $15/mo using my N95-3. ................
Same here....No limitatin on the screen with $15 internet over $30 PDA internet. The ASSUMPTION of more internet use on a PDA w QWERTY is what the $30 is all about.
I would have to say the determination is made more by OS. Corporate America recognizes WM, BlackBerry , Palm and now possibly Apple as smartphone OS's. All have push email capability and most qwerty. The Nokia S60 N & E series phon
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tkboxer said:...AvgJoe said:Jayshmay said:
So your saying you can't download Opera Mini on to a Moto SLVR? I'm using an N95-3 and do almost all my internet surfing using Opera Mini, and I don't have internet at home, so literally 100% of my internet surfing is done for $15/mo using my N95-3. ................
Same here....No limitatin on the screen with $15 internet over $30 PDA internet. The ASSUMPTION of more internet use on a PDA w QWERTY is what the $30 is all about.
I would have to say the determination is made more by OS. Corporate America recognizes WM, BlackBerry , Palm and now possibly Apple as smartphone OS's. All have push email capability and most qwert
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well, the services look the same to me on my phone. yeah, i'd be for some pay per minute/text/kb plan which when if an affordable one comes along i'll jump on it. do they have one now? i'll keep reading...
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Do you realize that rate plans are priced not on actual usage, but possible usage? If you are on a 900 minute plan, you pay for the possibility of using 900 minutes. If your neighbor is on a 450 min plan and uses 400 min and you are on the 900 min plan and use 400 min...you still pay more.
Rate plans are about potential use. Since all phones do voice equally, then all voice plans are the same for every phone. However not all phones use data equally. PDA phones easily use a HUGE amount more. Consider that many applications on a smartphone background connect (for example the gMail client), or have high data usage apps like AT&T Navigator, your data usage on a smartphone is not always restricted to your web browsing habits.
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Rate plans are about potential use. Since all phones do voice equally, then all voice plans are the same for every phone. However not all phones use data equally. PDA phones easily use a HUGE amount more. Consider that many applications on a smartphone background connect (for example the gMail client), or have high data usage apps like AT&T Navigator, your data usage on a smartphone is not always restricted to your web browsing habits.
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Do you realize that rate plans are priced not on actual usage, but possible usage? If you are on a 900 minute plan, you pay for the possibility of using 900 minutes. If your neighbor is on a 450 min plan and uses 400 min and you are on the 900 min plan and use 400 min...you still pay more.
Rate plans are about potential use. Since all phones do voice equally, then all voice plans are the same for every phone. However not all phones use data equally. PDA phones easily use a HUGE amount more. Consider that many applications on a smartphone background connect (for example the gMail client), or have high data usage apps like AT&T Navigator, your data usage on a smartphone is not always restricted to y
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yeah, now that would be a sensible solution. man, someone just needs to come up with an easy affordable flat per kb/minute/text rate.
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It's called prepaid...
And if you don't want to pay more per minute that way, you could always go without a package, and just do pay per use ($0.01/kb). That way, if you are using less than 3 mb of data, you aren't having to pay those 'corporate puppet' bastards...
And if you don't want to pay more per minute that way, you could always go without a package, and just do pay per use ($0.01/kb). That way, if you are using less than 3 mb of data, you aren't having to pay those 'corporate puppet' bastards...
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thanks for the tip. what is that? $30 for 3mb? I use at least 20mb. Hell no. As far as those corporate puppet "bastards", don't ya think you're being a little harsh? They're just trying to make a living.
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juntjoo said:
thanks for the tip. what is that? $30 for 3mb? I use at least 20mb. Hell no. As far as those corporate puppet "bastards", don't ya think you're being a little harsh? They're just trying to make a living.
So are drug dealers and car salesman
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Ha! 'corporate puppet bastards' was sarcasm...ALL of my previous post was sarcasm aimed at the shots people have been taking at others sticking up for carriers charging $30/month for unlimited data. (Calling them 'corporate puppets' in previous posts)..if you are using 20mb+, then why the complaining? That much net on pay per use would be $204.80+++ per month. Kind of makes $30/month look appealing. So why should you be exempt for the 'oh-so-terrible carriers'? (Again, sarcasm...) Next you're going to be complaining that you are forced to pay more per mile to drive your Navigator than others driving Hondas 🙄 ...This is nuts! If you want to use a product that costs more to use it to it's fullest extent, then cough up the dough. Sacrifi...
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juntjoo said:
to charge someone more than someone else for the same service based on their type of phone is ... phone discrimination and i aint sitting at the back of the bus no more. ;)
Then take a cab, if you can afford it. I use gobs of Inet for $15 a month, But no Windows or BB just crappy ole S60 on an N95........
There's your answer. get of the "ghetto" subsudy wagon and the price you pay is controlled by no one but you.....Hows that for anew concept. Self realization choice.
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i just may. tell me, how is "crappy" s60? as much as i like windows mobile with it's touch screen and versitile mini-windows features what i really need is to be able to use google maps, make notes, tasks and spreadsheets. can you make/edit spreadsheets with s60 or at least with a 3rd party application. also, how is s60 as far as 3rd party support. does it have any or just proprietary software? thanks
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here's a thought.
if you can't afford to pay the correct price for your device's data usage.. because you blew all your money buying the phone in the first place..
then don't get it.
end of story.
if you can't afford to pay the correct price for your device's data usage.. because you blew all your money buying the phone in the first place..
then don't get it.
end of story.
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yeah, like i said, simpletons. minds like yours corporations feed off of. docile sheep. minds like mine see wrong in present situations improve situations. there is clearly something to improve upon here but my observations are clearly causing SOME people mental frustrations because they they would rather not think about change and just say yes to the status quo.
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i think the frustration is simple..
i could see why you wouldnt want to spend the extra money to use the thesaurus no your PDA..
but alas, it's a cruel, cruel world.
complain all you want, my dear.
but the fact are simple.
you're gonna have to pay for it either way.
i'm sorry mommy & daddy yelled at you for making their bill that much higher. 🙂
i could see why you wouldnt want to spend the extra money to use the thesaurus no your PDA..
but alas, it's a cruel, cruel world.
complain all you want, my dear.
but the fact are simple.
you're gonna have to pay for it either way.
i'm sorry mommy & daddy yelled at you for making their bill that much higher. 🙂
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They are not charging more for the same service. They are charging more for a different service. The connections settings are different and therefore allow for faster speeds.
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oh really? that's cool -well, if i wanted those faster speeds. but if that really is the case shouldn't we be able to opt for the cheaper lesser service? i mostly use email and google maps and media net is enough for that.
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texaswireless said:
They are not charging more for the same service. They are charging more for a different service. The connections settings are different and therefore allow for faster speeds.
This is a interesting statement but I'm afraid I don't understand it. I'm on MediaNet with a EDGE only connection. (No 3G in my area) If I switch to a PDA data plan I will somehow get a faster EDGE connection? Is my current MediaNet EDGE connection only running at partial capability? I am using a Nokia S60 smartphone on the AT&T network.
Feel free to explain your statement and use technical terms if you wish.
I am really trying to get some insight into how the AT&T data network works. TIA.
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Basically there are different servers for each service. Medianet handles all phones whereas the isp server handles only PDA devices (and laptop cards). Less traffic and no middle sites to link to the non-medianet websites.
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texaswireless said:
Basically there are different servers for each service. Medianet handles all phones whereas the isp server handles only PDA devices (and laptop cards). Less traffic and no middle sites to link to the non-medianet websites.
OK, I understand that. Thanks.
Let me ask you, in your opinion, is it worth it, performance wise, for a MediaNet user to upgrade to a PDA plan if they are in a EDGE only area?
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There is no upgrade option. If you have a medianet phone you get a medianet plan. If you have a PDA you get a PDA plan.
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texaswireless said:
There is no upgrade option. If you have a medianet phone you get a medianet plan. If you have a PDA you get a PDA plan.
OK, Thanks again.
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suppose he chose to change phones in his edge only area? would it be worth it then? i am also in edge only area.
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If you have a PDA you were really provisioned wrong in the first place, most likely some reps fault trying to sell what he can. This is why AT&T made certain features only available on certain phones. It's not really a new rule, simply a newly enforced rule.
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Its simple either find somebody with a "dumb" phone and use that for awhile, or go in and buy the cheapest phone they have (full retail on a credit card), add $15 media net, and then return cheap phone. Put sim back in old phone and wham, you got your cheap internet.
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The system automatically checks for what phone your using compared to what's registered. If it's registered incorrectly it will fix it and in turn flagging you for having an incorrect media pacakge.
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They actually just changed this a couple of months back, if you were already on it it wouldn't affect you until you had a problem or took it off and wanted it back in ur situation... But they have it to where even if you were to say get it back on there, it would not work any longer. Happened with my blackberry once they did the upgrade... had the plan but removed it and then I could still mms but once they updated their plans and everything in the system my mms stopped working without a plan on there... So even if you get them to allow it back on, chances are it will not work at all.
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Uh screw off I read the initial one and reply to that I am not gunna read everyone elses, if he has the answer he is looking for then he does not need to continue reading if he doesnt want to
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He has in the original person who posted this forum message thank you and no medication
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i in message now no understand you of like foreign sound no comprendo speaky pleasy englotch.
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wow u are beyond retarded and im not one for petty arguments over the internet with complete idiots so thanks for the entertainment... and i made one mistake in that entire post and you act like it is not readable... get over yourself
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i have been up til now that i recently deselected my media net cuz i didnt need it temporarilly, but when i went back to reselect it at their website, suddenly their system is matching my plan options with my selected phone which is a "pda" phone thus the pda connect service is only available to me which IMO is rediculous. if they wanna charge more for the same service they should make it ...not the same but better. i already paid more for having a "pda" phone by buying the expensive phone itself.
anyway, i tried changing my phone in my profile on the website to a non-pda-phone but so far my options available to me are for pda users. so i'm wondering if i were to call in to complain, will the rep hav
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At this point your choices are: pony up and pay the PDA plan fee or take that unlocked Windows Mobile, Blackberry, or Palm you bought and put it up on EBay. Then buy a unlocked full featured multi-media based on the Symbian S60 OS either from Nokia, Samsung or Sony Ericsson. S60 and UIQ phones are not considered PDA's and your MediaNet plan will work with them.
Unless you really need push email you're wasting your money with a PDA.
Unless you really need push email you're wasting your money with a PDA.
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tkboxer said:
Unless you really need push email you're wasting your money with a PDA.
Ain't that the truth,,,,The N95 has push email. It can be set up with a ringtone each time a new email is received form any or every email account you set up on it.
I'd say QWERTY is the thing you have to give up. If you know how to spell T9 works great.
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first of all my phone isn't "unlocked" which i am not sure what that implies, but if you're (or whoever said that) saying i got an unlocked phone to somehow fool at%t's pda radar i think i just got lucky cuz one day i logged in and added media net since it was there. and actually, if they were so hell bent on not offering such a plan to pda's they shouldn't've allowed me to take it. they're just messing with the customers' head that way. now, i'll take a look at those phones but i should point out i love my phone cuz i use it a lot for document creation and editing (i.e. spreadsheet and word) so i suppose i could possibly sacrifice the keyboard but no way on the spreadsheet.
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It may have been ATT's mistake but they caught it and forced you to change. They are even checking for unlocked phones that are PDA's that slip through the cracks. You need to understand that ATT is in business to make money. I feel for what I used a PDA for the plans are priced pretty close to what the other companies are offering. I used a lot of data and email and felt the price was worth the service. AvgJoe's phone is not a PDA so he can have his $15 Media Net. You however have a PDA so you are charged $30. What I would look at is do you really use the internet. If you think that is something that you will use then bite the bullet and get the plan. If not then just pay the pay-per-use fee. If it's for business then write it off ...
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What makes the N95 NOT a PDA
I get push email, I can install all kinds of programs, I have push Email (on 4 accounts, I can connect to a network server and print directly to the printer.....
All on broad photots and video can be automatically uploaded to emails addresses immediately after taking them of my choice or edited with transitions and sent to YouTube.Vox and photobucket etc.
I have full contact management
What am I missing to be designated aas a PDA. QWERTY?
I get push email, I can install all kinds of programs, I have push Email (on 4 accounts, I can connect to a network server and print directly to the printer.....
All on broad photots and video can be automatically uploaded to emails addresses immediately after taking them of my choice or edited with transitions and sent to YouTube.Vox and photobucket etc.
I have full contact management
What am I missing to be designated aas a PDA. QWERTY?
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Okay Joe it's a PDA. Now you have to pay $30 a month for data. Just call it a smartphone and save yourself some money.
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bwag717 said:
Okay Joe it's a PDA. Now you have to pay $30 a month for data. Just call it a smartphone and save yourself some money.
Yeah Joe, chill, we are just a couple dumb Americans using one of those Euro "smartphones". Wink.
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bwag717 said:
Okay Joe it's a PDA. Now you have to pay $30 a month for data. Just call it a smartphone and save yourself some money.
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That was not the answer of my question. What would make the N95 not be considerd a PDA...
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The difference is the price you pay in data usage. Probably cause it doesn't have a full or condensed QWERTY helps too. ATT for whatever reason only considers BB OS, Windows mobile and Palm OS PDA operating systems. Be happy they do or you'll be paying more than you should. No disrespect to the N95 but some who read this forum will get confused.
Palm/Windows/Blackberry + Data = $30/month
Everything else + Data = $15/month
Palm/Windows/Blackberry + Data = $30/month
Everything else + Data = $15/month
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The difference is the price you pay in data usage. Probably cause it doesn't have a full or condensed QWERTY helps too. ATT for whatever reason only considers BB OS, Windows mobile and Palm OS PDA operating systems. Be happy they do or you'll be paying more than you should. No disrespect to the N95 but some who read this forum will get confused.
Palm/Windows/Blackberry + Data = $30/month
Everything else + Data = $15/month
Thank You that was what I was looking for...Symbian does not count, no QWERTY (which i suspectd) Thats a good thing. I use the Inet a lot. Not so much the text portion, nor do I input much since I input the websites I like to read.
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Yesterday morning, while showering, I noticed something ... bad. I felt a lump on my testicle. I'm pretty sure it's what I think it is.
AvgJoe, what should I do about it? I know that I should buy an N95 and tape it to the afflicted area, but do you think it would hurt to buy two?
Also, your advice on my car purchase was right on the money. Since I bought an N95 just for the car, it now gets 50 MPG and runs on water.
AvgJoe, what should I do about it? I know that I should buy an N95 and tape it to the afflicted area, but do you think it would hurt to buy two?
Also, your advice on my car purchase was right on the money. Since I bought an N95 just for the car, it now gets 50 MPG and runs on water.
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bwag717 said:
Yesterday morning, while showering, I noticed something ... bad. I felt a lump on my testicle. I'm pretty sure it's what I think it is.
AvgJoe, what should I do about it? I know that I should buy an N95 and tape it to the afflicted area, but do you think it would hurt to buy two?
Also, your advice on my car purchase was right on the money. Since I bought an N95 just for the car, it now gets 50 MPG and runs on water.
Proud of ya there Sparky.....yer lernin..
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Om confused becauseyou can accses both internet explorer and media net on a pda through both programs
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