Yeah you can take advantage of the AT$T paln that you currently have, but at Cingular your network IS still larger. You are only useing the Cingular network in your local state or market. The networks are not completed into one as of yet. You will also miss out on the LARGEST mobile to mobile market in the entire world. There are several advantages to migrateing to Cingular. Simple things such as customer service, & just plain being able to pay your phone bill to a person not to an operator. Star services for example. Check you ramaning minutes, your account balance, & also pay you bill there. The motorola v505 is the equivlant to the motorola v551, but the choices of phones that you will have will for sure triple. The biggest advantage in d...
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Dolmar, take your 99 cents advised back to the dollarmart, its about as much as its worth.

Do you work For ATTWS/Cingular, no, well we do, so we have acccess to internal info.

1)The phones are locked and can't be unlocked by the carrier or Indirext dealers, you can buy a code but soon as you log on the network, the phone gets locked againm so you'll pay lots of unlock code fees off internet, so you wnna spend lots of money, power to you.

3)Yes you can manually set your blue phone to another netowrk, but we are cinstantly sending out signals to your phone with updte info, so whenever you turn your phone off, then back on the info ,forces your phone back onto the ATT network, don't like it, well those phones are pre merger, and thats ...
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Yes i am in Tech Support. I work for the Cingular Wireless SIM Unlock as a matter of fact.

1) if you realy are a dealer logon to cingular's dealer web page and look up Cingular Wireless SIM Unlock Group.

This is the offical Sim unlock policy posted on Cingular's dealer webpage:

Please note: SIM unlock codes are released to Cingular Wireless customers only. After becoming a Cingular customer you must have service for 90 days before the code is given. If this is not a Cingular phone then your current or previous service provider must provide the code. Also, Cingular will not release an unlock code for an inactivated phone or a closed account with an outstanding balance.

Only reason i recommend the other poster goto an asain dea...
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P.S we do not like indirect dealer spreading false information about our policy's or how our network operates just to try and get our customers to migrate over there service to orange side to blue side. Only true advantage of migrate is rollerover minutes + the ability to get a new handset because we are not longer issueing handsets to consumers on the blue side.

I KNEW IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I AM NEVER GOING TO MIGRATE NOW!

Wow, ok this is a lot of information. I think that for the time being i'm going to stay with whats left of AT@T. You guys have talked a lot about a lot of stuff which is way over my head🙂

Right now I have a Motorola V505 and its the best cell phone i've ever had. I get great reception, so the tower situation does not seem that bad. I'm just going to monitor Cingular and see if they have any good deals coming out soon.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys know when they are going to force me to migrate?

arouth said:
Wow, ok this is a lot of information. I think that for the time being i'm going to stay with whats left of AT@T. You guys have talked a lot about a lot of stuff which is way over my head🙂

Right now I have a Motorola V505 and its the best cell phone i've ever had. I get great reception, so the tower situation does not seem that bad. I'm just going to monitor Cingular and see if they have any good deals coming out soon.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys know when they are going to force me to migrate?

When there is no more AT&T equipment left... which from what I understand won't be too much longer.

jramossteel said:

arouth said:
Wow, ok this is a lot of information. I think that for the time being i'm going to stay with whats left of AT@T. You guys have talked a lot about a lot of stuff which is way over my head🙂

Right now I have a Motorola V505 and its the best cell phone i've ever had. I get great reception, so the tower situation does not seem that bad. I'm just going to monitor Cingular and see if they have any good deals coming out soon.

Just out of curiosity, do you guys know when they are going to force me to migrate?

You can stay as long you want with ATTWS you will never be forced to migrate except you can no longer get any phones on the ATTWS side of thing. So if

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correct, you are never going to be forced to migrate... just like now we still have millions of TDMA customer that we are not forcing to migrate to GSM..

though i imagine, as they have already done.. you will be able to get less and less though ATT and the deals will become more attrative on the Cingualr Site 😁

scapegoat said:
correct, you are never going to be forced to migrate... just like now we still have millions of TDMA customer that we are not forcing to migrate to GSM..

though i imagine, as they have already done.. you will be able to get less and less though ATT and the deals will become more attrative on the Cingualr Site 😁

You see- put your smiley face on you want, cuz you know what, its being done, just in the smart way.See they are acting like its a war.Cingular cust off the supply lines.Ther have no TDMA phones to sell on the Blue side, Cingular is not TDMA plans except for pre paid, ATTWS side is doing the same.

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Right. There is no "forced" migration. whatever price plan blue customer may be on right now, they can stay on that price plan as long as they want.

It is just commen buisness sense for cingular to try to persuade customer to migrate. in the long term it saves a ton of money having one system instead of serveral.

and you are right this is exacly what was done when cingular switched from CDMA to TDMA and them to GSM. its standard buisness.... BUT it does not violate a customer contract. a customer contract provides for the Price plan they signed up for (or if they switch, to the one they switch to) no where in the contract does it say that we are obligated to provide them with a choice of price plans.

That is correct if if you plan on ATTWS right now is for example:

39.99
1050 AT National Minutes
Unlimited 7PM N&W
Unlimited M2M
9.99 Add a line
this promo expired back in dec 18, 2004

You can keep this plan as long as you want.But if you make any changes to your plan then you will loose all the old promotions and there current promotions make the plans less attractive than cingular plans for the same price point. If you want a new phone and are willing to pay the unactived unsubsidized price you can use it on ATTWS and continue to stay with your current plan that will sooner or later be grandfathered into Cingular billing system just like all the older PBMS plans where when they mergered into Cingular. And yes some people still ...
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I know nothing, i got news for you, YOU WILL MIGRATE, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT KIDS, EVERY CUSTOMER I GET, I DON'T GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHOICE I CHOP THEM DOWN INTO LITTLE PIECES, SINGULAR LOVES MY ASS FOR DOING IT, SO YOU WILL AND EVERYONE WILL GO.

SEE KIDDIES, HOW YOU GONNA CINGULAR TO UNLOCK A PHONE, IF THEY DON'T SELL ATT SERVICES, SO WHAT BUY A PHONE FROM CINGULAR, WAIT 90 DAYS ,GET IT UNLOCKED AND DO WHAT YOU CAN'T MIGRATE TO BLUE, UNLESS YOU PREVIOUSLY HAD A ACCOUNT, SO WHAT YOU GONNA DO, THEY CAN'T SELL YOU A CINGULAR PHONE UNLESS YOU GOT A CINGULAR SERVICE. ITS THE CHICKEN OR THE EGG, TO GET A PHONE YOU NEED A CINGULAR PLAN,SO YOU CAN'T MIGRATE TO CINGULAR TO GET A PHONE, THEN MIGRATE UNLESS YOU RETURN THE PHONE, FACE IT THERE I...
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Well ok then, I'm going to wait until I get shoved 😎 My phone is fairly modern with good reception, and until Cingular forces me over i've got a really good deal.

Well let's see, despite what yahoo, who claims he's cingular tech does not know is this, ATTWS has the network and phones to pick up the Home carriers network first, so you phone will search for only att towers and will lock that one in, despite another stronger signal, such as cingular 🤣 , next they say oh you can set it to manually work on another network, yeah for about a couple of hours, see, the system recognizes what tower you are off of, the ATTWS system will send out a OTA, Over The Air programming update to bump you off back onto the ATT network 😉

Now lock yourself into a contract for long as you want, while you stay on the blue side, You Will NEVER have access to the ALLOVER network, so your rception will get worse an...
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The only true statement you said so far that was true is there are no more ATTWS branded phones. And if you phone breaks your only choice for now would be to either buy any phone and have it unlocked or buy an oem phone which costs even more. Or migrate over to Cingular which inturn would give you a discounted price on a handset and rollerover minutes. Remember ATTWS is not selling phones anymore so you pay full retail price for them. And as far as NC and SC is concerned they are both non-disvested Markets which where sold to Suncom not Cingular.

This is from Cingular web page explaining the Merger go here and read it. http://www.newcingular.com/a_questions1.html

here is your answer to ALLOVER NETWORK:

"Q: How will the merger affec...
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Do I have access to secret documents, no, I read, if you bother to read the The SMALL PRINT, which ost people don't- GO FIGURE, it states that the allover network is based on certain eligibility requirements, open them up, and it states you must have a current Cingular service, a Current Cingular Device and a Cingular 32k or 64k sim card.

As for them getting them bumped off and back onto the ATT network, yes they do, since thats the whole point, if you knew the Blue programing, and even updates in the system, they saw customers doing the manual network they made 2 changes, 1 they changed the T&C, stating that in order to be eligble for service with ATTWS you must spend the majority of your usage on the ATT Wireless Network.It also gives t...
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No idea where you see that.

But please provide a link becasue on cingular web page there is nothing even close to what you said.I posted a like for benifits that ATTWS customers will see and ATTWS never had a 64K sim so not sure why they would refer to one.

First off Cingular TOS has the same claus in it as a matter of fact every TOS agreement with a cellphone carrier it is a requirement by the FCC. FCC dictates that a cellphone provider can not sell or provide access to customer where they do not have native coverage. Do you want me to goto FCC web page and find that link for you?

And here is a link from ATTWS own web page with a System admin telling a customer how to set his phone in manual to pick cingular network and how as lo...
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So tell me are you stupid, retarded, mental or all the above?

Providing links to ATTWS forums where people bitch more on that forum then they do is a joke.

Telling a customer how to change to another network manual is something they can tell, hell customer care can to if you ask, but here's the big but- IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, then YOU would be responsible for spending the majority of your usage on another cariers network, thats why whenever a customer changes their plan on Blue,that Verbatim as to "the majority of your service must be on the ATT Network to be eligible for service" has to be read to the customer, and knowing that then they choose to take the chance.People make choices ,and despite the bilge you say,...
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BlueGuy said:
So tell me are you stupid, retarded, mental or all the above?

Providing links to ATTWS forums where people bitch more on that forum then they do is a joke.

Telling a customer how to change to another network manual is something they can tell, hell customer care can to if you ask, but here's the big but- IF YOU CHOOSE TO DO IT ON A REGULAR BASIS, then YOU would be responsible for spending the majority of your usage on another cariers network, thats why whenever a customer changes their plan on Blue,that Verbatim as to "the majority of your service must be on the ATT Network to be eligible for service" has to be read to the customer, and knowing that then they choose to take the chance.People make choic

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Well, since i brought the actual facts, he shut his lips up, now hasn't he?

what actul facts... i still have yet to see you provide any documentation of the "facts"

Im a tech support rep in customer care... and what has been said previosly by dolmar is correct... i dont know where you get your info.. but you sir, are wrong 😁

scapegoat said:
what actul facts... i still have yet to see you provide any documentation of the "facts"

Im a tech support rep in customer care... and what has been said previosly by dolmar is correct... i dont know where you get your info.. but you sir, are wrong 😁

I'll tell you what i told Dolmar, you may know Orange TSD, but you don't work in Blue TSD, never have, I have the info i provided on the blue is correct, the info i gave was on the orange side, but the blue side.And the Blue info i gave was right.

Sorry the links did post correcly the forum cut them down for beening too long but if you go into motorla forum you will all the FAQ at the top there are ones for both V3 and V551 so pretty much thoses faq total disprove you claims that a carrier will delete you setting if you have a non branded phone. And they where posted by ATTWS ADDMIN who i am sure knows alot more than you unless you think he is lieing to customers.


The other ones you will need to search for "network selction" or "roaming on cingular" or "Manual Network" and they will show up. Answers with a big ATT logo next to them are offical answers from ATT admin who again is wrong.

So let me understand this correct just to make sure. Cingular CS/Tech support/ And press rel...
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Sorry one more point. The reason you know the posts with a big ATT logo next to them are from ATT SYS ADMIN is it says next to them ATT SYS ADMIN and all other says users.

BlueGuy said:
EVERY CUSTOMER I GET, I DON'T GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHOICE I CHOP THEM DOWN INTO LITTLE PIECES, SINGULAR LOVES MY ASS FOR DOING IT, SO YOU WILL AND EVERYONE WILL GO.

Dude...he spelled Cingular with an S.

joef3 said:

BlueGuy said:
EVERY CUSTOMER I GET, I DON'T GIVE THEM ANOTHER CHOICE I CHOP THEM DOWN INTO LITTLE PIECES, SINGULAR LOVES MY ASS FOR DOING IT, SO YOU WILL AND EVERYONE WILL GO.

Dude...he spelled Cingular with an S.

Congratulations, you are a spell checker, you want a cookie or something? 🙄 🤣

Dude, it's Cingular with a C. Even I know that.
It just kinda invalidates your rant, if a post in caps lock is in any way valid at all...

You are actually agent debit aren't you?

greyrat said:
You are actually agent debit aren't you?

Who?? Sorry who's that?

No idea where you see that.

But please provide a link becasue on cingular web page there is nothing even close to what you said.I posted a like for benifits that ATTWS customers will see and ATTWS never had a 64K sim so not sure why they would refer to one.

First off Cingular TOS has the same claus in it as a matter of fact every TOS agreement with a cellphone carrier it is a requirement by the FCC. FCC dictates that a cellphone provider can not sell or provide access to customer where they do not have native coverage. Do you want me to goto FCC web page and find that link for you?

And here is a link from ATTWS own web page with a System admin telling a customer how to set his phone in manual to pick cingular network and how as lo...
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Sorry the links did post correcly the forum cut them down for beening too long but if you go into motorla forum you will all the FAQ at the top there are ones for both V3 and V551. The other ones you will need to search network selction or roaming on cingular and they will show up.

okay if you are an att customer and are receiving discounts through your employment that will all change soon.

james112085 said:
okay if you are an att customer and are receiving discounts through your employment that will all change soon.

Until it comes time to renegotiate those contracts with those particluar buisness. You will keep any discounts you have regardless if you are Blue or Orange.

If you ever worked with B2B accounts.. you will know these are usually handled on a Account by account basis... Cingular works seperate deals with every buiness depending on how much buisness they bring us. And no, no one is going to be loosing there disount.