true..but i always feel more comfortable when ATT has it in their line up, dont ask me why.

basically you have to make sure the phone comes in the same 'bands' as ATT offers for 3G and all?

GSM 850 / GSM 900 / GSM 1800 / GSM 1900
WCDMA 850 / WCDMA 1900 / WCDMA 2100 ???

dromant said:
That's the good thing about ATT, they don't have to release it. You can simply buy it unlocked and activate it with ATT.

Exactly...This phone will cost around $700 on release if it follows the N95/n82 path and will settle around $500-$600. If ATT offered it, they would quote retail then "subsidize" it for $500-$600 anyway!!

Although ATT doesn't muck up their branded phones like VErizon, its still ok to use an unbranded/unlocked phone.

exaclty I only use unlocked, unbranded phones. I would even pay $1K for this bad boy. I have tmobile but I use a Nokia N73. The only reason I did not get an Iphone was because of the poor camera. everything else on it is top notch.

bonecrusher said:
exaclty I only use unlocked, unbranded phones. I would even pay $1K for this bad boy. I have tmobile but I use a Nokia N73. The only reason I did not get an Iphone was because of the poor camera. everything else on it is top notch.

Im glad you said you would pay $1000 for it, IF it were not for people like you ,people like me would never be able to buy that phone for $700 a month or two later....LOL

Thanks out there to all those who bought 50" HD flat panels for $7000 too!!!

I dont by any electronic device that has been on the market less than 6 months.

bonecrusher said:
I dont by any electronic device that has been on the market less than 6 months.

For me it depends on the product. Phones have such a short "shelf life" a couple months is old news.

TVs a much longer time.

I dont mind not " keeping up with the joneses ". I am patiently waiting until all the bugs are worked out of the Nokia N82 before I jump on it.

bonecrusher said:
I dont mind not " keeping up with the joneses ". I am patiently waiting until all the bugs are worked out of the Nokia N82 before I jump on it.

What bugs? I am not aware of any. They just released a firmware update for some bugs. But I have not done it becasue I have not seen any bugs yet. I waited until the first new ones showed up used. The guy who sold me mine bought the N95. He wanted 3G and was willing to give up some features in favor of others.

I've had the N95-3 for over 2 months and I'm extremely happy with mine. I have absolutly no confidence at all that ATT will release the N95 anytime soon even though it is quad band and dual band HSDPA.

But I intend on getting my hands on some OT on my job and $aving for that AMAZING N98. I just hope they have a very, very impressive battery in that handset. What I'm most excited about the N98 is the 5x optic zoom!

I have tmob and I know its a fad but except for the camera the iphone is pretty sweet. too bad its still $600 unlocked.

bonecrusher said:
I have tmob and I know its a fad but except for the camera the iphone is pretty sweet. too bad its still $600 unlocked.

Waste of money at $400.....

how do you figure, I browse the web a lot on my phone and that screen is huge.

bonecrusher said:
how do you figure, I browse the web a lot on my phone and that screen is huge.

For me the phone just does not do anything really well. The screen is nice but the touch screen is not. I like to be able to use one hand to dial a call. No MMS. Thats crazy, No Stereo BT.
I like phones that my notebook can see as a Mass Storage Device. I also keep phones a long time and not being able to replace a weakening battery is a deal breaker.

The phone doesn't do anything as well as the N95 and many things a lot worse. Many paid $600 for it as well..Thats a shame becasue there are much better phones out there for that kind of bread...even used.

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I heard they fixed the mms with an update. I imagine the 3g iphone will address a lot of these.

bonecrusher said:
I heard they fixed the mms with an update. I imagine the 3g iphone will address a lot of these.

NAh..My phone does not have 3G. But I don't need it. The GPS can receive satellite fixes and can use the towers but does not need to. Therefor the faster 3G means nothing in that regard. The wiFi is plenty fast enough.

There are hardware differences Apple simply will not be able to "fix" with a SW update. They have a long way to go to catch up with the Nokia flagship phones.

it's their first phone. give them a break. it's moved more devices in 7 months than nokia has all year, so I wouldn't be so harsh.

can anyone get me a n95 for $300?

chainmail311 said:
it's their first phone. give them a break. it's moved more devices in 7 months than nokia has all year, so I wouldn't be so harsh.

can anyone get me a n95 for $300?

The "moved" phones based on marketing....and creating a false sense of unavailibility.
Pure marketing hype. a few weeks after release they lower the price 30% Who does that when a product is flying off the shelf?

Nokia moves phones based on solid research. Not marketing. You have to find their flagship phones. Besides, Why would Nokia market a phone no carrier offers, few can afford, and many are unaware of.

You have to actually do some research to find those little gems. Can you find an unlocked un branded iPh...
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boo hoo.

You have to search for the phone, huh? Yeah, you're totally right. It's worth it.

Sorry, the iPhone wasn't ALL marketing hype. It's a freakin sweet phone, live with it. But, I would get an N95 if oppurtunity arouse...but I'd rather have an iPhone.

This isn't an arguement over functionality. It's about how the iPhone is a mini laptop. I don't care about being "seen" with the iPhone, but it's GUI is AMAZING, and Safari is AMAZING, and coverflow is AMAZING.

I promise I'm not a mac fanboy. I've worked on a dell for the past 3 years. I am a graphic designer and musician. I don't care about streaming video onto the internet wirelessly, or else the choice would be the N95.

That's my case.

You are right, but avgjoe cannot be reasoned with, he has a NOKIA tattoo on his arse. He is a lifer.

Is he Finnish?

chainmail311 said:
Is he Finnish?

NO In fact I have not even begun smacking down those who stood in line to buy the iFAd and now have severe buyer's remorse.

............you're whacko dude. It's a cool phone. Deal with it. Your N95 maybe a million times better........FOR YOU. But I prefer iPhone. So, iCalm yourself down.

chainmail311 said:
............you're whacko dude. It's a cool phone. Deal with it. Your N95 maybe a million times better........FOR YOU. But I prefer iPhone. So, iCalm yourself down.

NAh I am just smug in the knowledge that I actually did some research rather then jump aboard the marketing "me too "train.......

oh my gosh. you're so egotistical.

I've done plenty of research. I didn't jump on the "me too" train. I could care less if nobody or everyone had that phone. I LOVE the look, feel, and GUI of the iPhone. LOVE it. It's a beautiful product. Sure, it's doesn't have a shaver and the kitchen sink, but I don't use all that stuff. Captain superior. Sheesh.

chainmail311 said:
boo hoo.

You have to search for the phone, huh? Yeah, you're totally right. It's worth it.

Sorry, the iPhone wasn't ALL marketing hype. It's a freakin sweet phone, live with it. But, I would get an N95 if oppurtunity arouse...but I'd rather have an iPhone.

This isn't an arguement over functionality. It's about how the iPhone is a mini laptop. I don't care about being "seen" with the iPhone, but it's GUI is AMAZING, and Safari is AMAZING, and coverflow is AMAZING.

I promise I'm not a mac fanboy. I've worked on a dell for the past 3 years. I am a graphic designer and musician. I don't care about streaming video onto the internet wirelessly, or else the choice would be the N95.

That's my ca

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AvgJoe said:
BTW the N95 uses Safari too.

the n95 uses a symbian browser. while it shares the unix/khtml under laying that safari does, it in fact is not safari. while you can argue that safari, symbian, mozilla and other open source borswers are all the same, the fact they have a different gui and produced by different groups of people make them different.

You are one sad little man. Where does all this anger and jealous stem from? Are you short? Do chicks not pay attention to you? Did your Dad hit you?

We need to start digging into the psychological issues that surround Joe, maybe 20/20 can run a little segment on his life.

pepsijunky said:
You are one sad little man. Where does all this anger and jealous stem from? Are you short? Do chicks not pay attention to you? Did your Dad hit you?

We need to start digging into the psychological issues that surround Joe, maybe 20/20 can run a little segment on his life.

i was the same way about blu-ray :-(

Ah Someone get's it.

Jealousy does not enter the picture. Envy is others having what you can't have. I can buy iphones all day long.....but why?

Don't get me atarted on Blu-Ray.......

AvgJoe said:
Ah Someone get's it.

Jealousy does not enter the picture. Envy is others having what you can't have. I can buy iphones all day long.....but why?

Don't get me atarted on Blu-Ray.......

yea. engadget rubbed it in enough.

crackberry said:

AvgJoe said:
Ah Someone get's it.

Jealousy does not enter the picture. Envy is others having what you can't have. I can buy iphones all day long.....but why?

Don't get me atarted on Blu-Ray.......

yea. engadget rubbed it in enough.

Although I have a 1080P capable Vizio. Im not switching. MY eyes aren't good enough to tell the difference anyway. Besides I don't want to see the hairs on Cindy Crawford's mole.

no stereo bt!? standard. plus why would you even want 2 of the exact same phone? Imagine if we had 2 of you. That would be brutal.

I put in a request with phonescoop and I like my chances of getting it approved. Anytime anyone starts a thread with keywords iphone or apple they will automatically queue up a response from averageidiot with the following key points:

"The iphad is such a toy."

"Don't be fooled by the slick Apple ads."

"Nokia makes the best phones ever, I will not even allow the thought of another phone being enjoyable."

"LOL" (there will be 5-10 of these)

He'll use the word "subsidize" and other big boy words even though he doesn't know what it means.

Also, every other post will have a list of all the amazing features the N95 has.

So, I think I have it covered, no need to respond Average, it's all good!

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oh the humanity!

You gotta admit, though, for the first phone they ever made, Apple did a pretty decent job. Are there features that I wish the phone had (especially with the price tag on it), heck yeah - but for the first phone Apple ever made, its a pretty solid first step. Also, it has caused other manufacturer's to step up their products - we see these supposed "iPhone killers" being marketed, would those manufacturers have pushed those devices out as soon and priced where they are if they weren't trying to compete with Apple? I doubt it. Competition breeds things for the consumer.

dromant said:
You gotta admit, though, for the first phone they ever made, Apple did a pretty decent job. Are there features that I wish the phone had (especially with the price tag on it), heck yeah - but for the first phone Apple ever made, its a pretty solid first step. Also, it has caused other manufacturer's to step up their products - we see these supposed "iPhone killers" being marketed, would those manufacturers have pushed those devices out as soon and priced where they are if they weren't trying to compete with Apple? I doubt it. Competition breeds things for the consumer.

meant to say "competition breeds GOOD things for the consumer."

dromant said:
You gotta admit, though, for the first phone they ever made, Apple did a pretty decent job. Are there features that I wish the phone had (especially with the price tag on it), heck yeah - but for the first phone Apple ever made, its a pretty solid first step. Also, it has caused other manufacturer's to step up their products - we see these supposed "iPhone killers" being marketed, would those manufacturers have pushed those devices out as soon and priced where they are if they weren't trying to compete with Apple? I doubt it. Competition breeds things for the consumer.

The only thing Apple did was to expedite the addition of a touch screen. Otherwise most of their features are behind the tim...
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You spend A LOT of time hating on the iphone. Check out your auto response a few lines up, don't ignore it, embrace it. It will save you time too!

The article was written in june. Check the dates on the link. It sounds like a chinese knock off especially since there was no reporting on it at the mwc this year, only rumors of a s60 touch screen user interface. I'm pretty sure nokia isn't uber concerned over the iphone especially since the international version isn't even 3g

☹️ ! I really wish Nokia would come out with a sucssesor to the N95 that actually had optical zoom, a much, much better battery would be nice too, I already have 2 spare batteries for my N95, fortunatley I got'em for ONLY $16 each on ebay instead of the grossly greedy $60 that amazon charges for the Nokia BL-6F.