What happened to our hilarious flame war from before? I can't see most of the posts.

They were erased for being too risque

That's too bad... I had to leave after the purple and pink thing and I didn't see what came next.

it got worse and your purple and pink whatever made no sense

It wasn't supposed to, my friend. I was just trying to entertain myself.

did it work?

And by the way, I'm 6'4 and SUPER Caucasian, so watch out!

SUPER Caucasian eh, so you are extra boring?

No, just really really white.

so kinda pasty like larry bird?

Yeah, but worse because I have dark hair. I'd make a good vampire.

Hey, guess what? Today I sold four T-Mobile activations and only one Verizon. That proves that GSM is better than CDMA.

proves T-Mobile has better plans and phone at least, where are you located?

Oregon.

I am in OKC

Hmmm, sucks for you. I drove through OK once, and I decided that it and Iowa were the two armpits of the United States.

I love the people just hate the weather

My one rest stop on I-35 in Oklahoma I go into the store and there is a fat dude wearing a cowboy hat and dark aviator glasses standing behind the counter and there was a shotgun on the wall. It was quite a sight.

I hate cowboys

No, cowboys are cool... it's the redneck wannabes that I hate.
Are you taking calls right now?

yes SIGH

So I guess you just post while you tune out customers ranting... I want to get excited about selling AWS, but we can only do TDMA until next month, and so far this month has been a big goose egg.

yep GSM is better

This is my take on it all: ATTW and Cingular are co-located and competing in many areas around the country. The new company will need to divest itself of these overlaps and in turn make money doing it... lower their fixed cost and increase coverage form the sites where they are not co-located. Some carrier... will benefit from the spectrum and equipment that the new company has to liquidate... So the 1.9 gig GSM equipment would be prime real estate for who? T Mobile?... Those site would propel T mobile to being a serious player with a windfall of new coverage. Cingular stands to increase coverage, with a minimum increase in monthly rent and a marked increase in GSM coverage in the prime 850 meg bandwidth. If the new company can roll with the...
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T-Mobile already struck a deal with Cingular to acquire 3.5 billion worth of equipment and spectrum from the overlapping network on the West Coast. The shared network agreement was also voided. This should all take place shortly after the merger.

Big Daddy said:
I am in OKC

Maybe you guys should PM eachother on AOL or something? 😕

that shows how smart you are pm is on yahoo aol is instant messaging

vzwdaddy said:
that shows how smart you are pm is on yahoo aol is instant messaging

oh my god. I cant believe I made that mistake. I'm going to put a gun in my mouth now. 😕


-Verizon Wireless Sales

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sounds good to me

vzwdaddy said:
sounds good to me

woah. you're about as lame as they come. 😲

You work in Oregon and you sell both Verizon and T-Mo, do you work for Smart Wireless?

No sir... I manage a small local business with one location, hopefully soon to be two.

that does not mean crap. It means tobile sells cheap products and has cheap service to get the uneducated cusotmers.

im pretty sure we are on pace to still have more customers even when the they combine 2 top wireless companines. now that is pretty sad when you take 2 of the top 5 companies in the us and combine and verizon is still on top. plus the FCC probably will not let us buy spectrum b/c we might become "too big" so they will prolly let t-mobile buy it which is crap. if you cant get customers and take care of your own company then get out of the game. im glad verizon didnt buy att. we already covered their coverage area pretty much anyway so it would have been a loss plus we are gaining their customers left and right.

don't forget that the gsm is a inferior system it can not hold as many line as a cdma system.

Maybe by the end of year the new merger may have more customers than we do, but not for long, WE SHALL SEE 😁

Man, you guys are totally hilarious. Your inability to detect sarcasm is sad. I just have to flip the switch by saying "GSM is better." and it's like dangling a baby in front of a pit bull. Does Verizon send you guys to some kind of brainwashing academy when you get hired, so that you are willing to die for the glory and honor of CDMA? Man, EASE UP!

would you like to step outside your "gsm" network and settle this. i know i wouldnt have to go very far

oh we have a great sense of humor. if we want to laugh all we have to do is look at tmobile and other gsm coverage area and gimicks they use to get cusomters.

wait, if i would fight you i know i would be ok but i wouldnt want you to get roaming charges or anything

Keep going guys, this is entertaining, but you're embarrassing yourselves. I don't work for T-Mobile. I sell them both, and I sell more Verizon than T-Mobile normally. I MADE A SARCASTIC REMARK. Damn, you guys are either really stupid or you have a a lot of pent-up aggression and don't know what to do with it. I mean seriously... you want to fight me? What a joke.

phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now is nearly as large as VZW's, and wit

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chris_lt1 said:

phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now

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phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now is nearly as large as VZW's, and wit

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how did i get sucked into this repeatative argument. 🙄

phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now is nearly as large as VZW's, and wit

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phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now is nearly as large as VZW's, and wit

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muchdrama said:

phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is Cingular's network as it stands now

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Anxiovert said:

muchdrama said:

phonepimp3376 said:
Cingular LOSING customers? We added over 750,000 subs last quarter. Back away from the pipe. Churn is falling as well, and our GSM overlay is completed. UMTS by end of 2005, PTT that actually WORKS just around the corner, and the strongest national product in the US. When is VZW going to learn how to put out phones that work ON TIME, instead of hiding behind the "rigorous testing" line? The main complaint I hear about VZW is how often people have phone issues. Had a customer who had 6 phones in 18 months, all equipment issues, documented by paperwork. What's up with that?
Sure, you can scream network all you want, but the fact is

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Where do I get my info? Have you looked at VZW's own marketing and customer leave materials? Do you not see THREE separate coverage maps? One for M2M, one for ANALOG roaming, and one for digital coverage? I never said UMTS would be complete by end of 2005, only that we would be ofering it. It is in testing NOW. Compare coverage maps, and you'll see that the two are nearly equal in size. As for the 15 states mentioned in this thread, they are covered the same way VZW covers some areas - roaming agreements. We just don't charge for it. T-Mobile close to VZW in size or talkability? T-Mobile is the SMALLEST GSM carrier currently operating nationwide. They started out GSM, so had no need to upgrade their network. Take away T-Mo's reliance even on...
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phonepimp3376 said:
Where do I get my info? Have you looked at VZW's own marketing and customer leave materials? Do you not see THREE separate coverage maps? One for M2M, one for ANALOG roaming, and one for digital coverage? I never said UMTS would be complete by end of 2005, only that we would be ofering it. It is in testing NOW. Compare coverage maps, and you'll see that the two are nearly equal in size. As for the 15 states mentioned in this thread, they are covered the same way VZW covers some areas - roaming agreements. We just don't charge for it. T-Mobile close to VZW in size or talkability? T-Mobile is the SMALLEST GSM carrier currently operating nationwide. They started out GSM, so had no need to upgrade their ne

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phonepimp3376 said:
Catch up, get wise to what makes the customer happy, or we'll be pulling past you before you know it.

I should think being able to complete a call would make the average customer VERY happy. So, let's see...you just finished your GSM overlay (finally). You're trying to get EDGE finished. And then you'll be moving onto UMTS. Maybe UMTS will be finished by 2006. Maybe not. If it is, you figure you'll have at least 6 months to a year to get it running smoothly and efficiently. Add onto that the buyout and integration going on between ATTWS and Cingular...and what do you get? One big friggin' mess and one big friggin' unreliable network.

Here in the NW Cingular/ATTWS are loosing customers at an alarming rate! VZW, Sprint and T-Mo are benefitting. Every carrier has dissatisfied customers because there are many people looking for the holy grail in any product and they are disappointed because perfection doesn't exist.
My friends who work for ATTWS and T-Mo say they wish they had what VZW has. Our company's stores in rural markets where portability has just hit have more than doubled their VZW activations and almost all are ports from ATTWS.
If VZW is loosing customers so quickly then why are their churn rates about half of yours at Cingular? If VZW is so expensive then why are the average minutes of use per customer and ARPU per customer about the same as T-Mo, and Cingular...
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US Standard CDMA2000? boy are you delusional. In the Americas 8 of 10 activations are GSM. 3 of the six carriers playing the game nationally are GSM. CDMA has nowhere near the global scope of GSM, much less in the US. Since when has Cingular EVER roamed on VZW's network? lemme see... GSM...CDMA. Seems to me the handsets wouldn't allow it except possibly in analog. trust me, the network will be just fine. Ask any ATTWS customer who is currently benefitting from the increased coverage and call quality they got from the last batch of roaming agreements.

And before you get TOO down on GSM, Vodafone, who owns a good chunk of VZW, is a GSM carrier. VZW sells GSM for its clients who travel abroad. Why not CDMA? Because coverage OUTSIDE the US is...
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PWNED!
man i don't give a crap about any of this mobile business but i

tryptophanatic said:
PWNED!
man i don't give a crap about any of this mobile business but i

Alas, we shall mourn the passing of our beloved Trypto, who posted so hard and so furious that he literally lapsed into a coma at his keyboard. A moment of silence, please, to commemorate Trypto. To Trypto!!!

NO! i am arisen again from my comatose state. my fanatacism for this wireless world we live in has breathed life into me once more!
seriously tho i was hopin no one would notice that...

Trypto -

I have seen this from you on a couple of posts now. Which is it... your addiction to a certain amino acid... or narcolepsy? 😁

lol given my username combined with my half of a post this is ridiculously hilarious to me right now. i seriously can't stop laughign right now.... ay....

anyhow, i dig dreaming and you gotta sleep to dream so the amino acid would be a lovely conduit for such things 😁 hence me being a fanatic of it

phonepimp3376 said:
Trypto -

I have seen this from you on a couple of posts now. Which is it... your addiction to a certain amino acid... or narcolepsy? 😁

Or he could be a super hero or super vigilante. You know...the signal device goes off and Trypto goes out the window in a cape, thigh highs and tights.

Darnit muchdrama, you had to plant THAT mental pic... ewwwwww

phonepimp3376 said:
Darnit muchdrama, you had to plant THAT mental pic... ewwwwww

It was the thigh highs, wasn't it?

Where do you get the idea that Vodafone was going to "dump" Verizon. Verizon is too valuable. It is the only wireless carrier in the US that is NOT publicly traded. WHY? They are strong enought to thrive on their own without seeking investors. Also as I recall Vodafone did show some interest in att decided not to buy a disease. 41 billion for a dying company. We'll pass!

Where did I get that idea? Try the trades. RCR wireless and WirelessWeek both did huge articles on it. Cingular is not publicly traded. Vodafone was sure interested until Cingular pulled an end-around, raised their bid and gave ATTWS ONE MINUTE to approve it. It was only AFTER ATTWS accepted that Vodafone started all that "not in the interest of our shareholders" nonsense. They were in it right till the end. Vodafone has admitted they would have shed VZW were it in their best interest. They are, after all, a GSM powerhouse. VZW is just a way for them to have a foothold in the US.

Seems to me also that VZW has grown quite a bit by buying dying companies. Get your facts straight and educate yourself instead of thriving on the pablum your sa...
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i can not belive cingulair allows you people to smoke crack at work

vzwdaddy...

How about showing the facts that allow you to make such a crass statement, rather than attack without anything to base it on? Typical VZW tactic.

How come Cingular had so much problem with the GSM overlay whiched forced them to turn down the power output of TDMA so it would not interfere with GSM and down tilt the antennas. If Cingular knows what they are doing and are so great they should have been able to avoid this problem. But wait, this then forces TDMA customers to GSM because when the customer complains about the service the reps tell them that there phone needs to be upgraded since it is old and outdated. I'm sure pimp has done alot of that by the looks of his comments.

Hmmm, lemme see... most of my customers who are upgrading to GSM are doing so becuse they are out of contract. I rarely have a complaint from our TDMA customers, as a matter of fact I have a few who stay put on it. Their biggest complaint, honestly, is phone size...lol. Do we offer a TDMA plan anymore? No.Why? The whole network is now GSM. TDMA exists solely for GAIT and Prepay in some areas. That's right, that coverage map you see when you look at a non-GAIT rate sheet is ALL GSM. It does not include analog, or TDMA coverage, JUST GSM.

Phone Pimp,
I believe you are not reading the real intentions of your company. GSM was never intended to be a destination, it is a stepping stone to WCDMA (you call it UMTS so no one sees it as CDMA) GSM is the standard in Europe because their governments mandated it, not because it is the best network available. GSM is a updated version of TDMA over a 200MHZ bandwidth. It allocates fixed amounts of spectrum rather than using dynamic spectrum allocation. What this means to your customers is that rather than having a fixed amount of bandwidth the network can assign more or less bandwidth as needed. This gives way more call capacity along with awesome data capacity.
There is no question that GSM is better than AMPS/TDMA but it is not even t...
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Jeff -

WCDMA is NEITHER GSM or CDMA, it is a hybrid of BOTH. Open source, not dependent on Qualcomm. While CDMA is the CURRENT US standard, this tide is turning. With 1 billion plus GSM users worldwide, and 85% of carriers worldwide supporting GSM, its only a matter of time.

i guarantee you that verizon will always be number 1. if everything switches to gsm verizon will as well and do what a company is supposed to do...put money into their network...we might not have the best looking phones...but at least they work everywhere

They don't work worth a damn in CT, which is why we have the number one overall network there. Not our claim, straight from Telephia.

phonepimp3376 said:
They don't work worth a damn in CT

what you talkin about willis. they work just fine here in ct.

guess you haven't seen the latest telephia results for your state... you're slipping... VZW used to have the BEST service in CT...

Please provide a link so we can check this out

Doesn't your store publish the Telephia drive test results?

Telephia releases their results through software suites that they sell. My info comes from internal documents. I cannot for privacy reasons provide the link, but they are available to any carrier who has the suites. I'm sure your manager or direct would have them.

i am an agent, not a direct store. so no access. does anybody else out there have access to confirm pimps statements. Just curious since from personal experience it does not seem to be the case over here. Not brainwashed like yourself it seems.

I know Vodafone's main interest in ATTWS was to jack up the competitions bidding price. 😈 Causing cingular to overpay by billions of dollars, whether it was worth it or not. ☹️

Look at it this way, GSM is in this year, but WCDMA is already the thing for next. So is GSM done for?

mtown...

I think the WCDMA thing confuses many people. WCDMA is a GSM technology. CDMA is a Qualcomm proprietary technology. WCDMA comprises a CDMA air interface overlaid on a GSM network. See www.gsmworld.com for details.

From what I understand it'll require new towers and hardware, WCDMA won't work off a GSM tower and vice versa. They'll have to have both systems or all three, with TDMA. Or am I wrong?

Nope, won't require new towers... its just an adjustment to the air interface. WCDMA is an overlay for GSM, just as GSM was an overlay for TDMA.

phonepimp3376 said:
Where do I get my info? Have you looked at VZW's own marketing and customer leave materials? Do you not see THREE separate coverage maps? One for M2M, one for ANALOG roaming, and one for digital coverage? I never said UMTS would be complete by end of 2005, only that we would be ofering it. It is in testing NOW. Compare coverage maps, and you'll see that the two are nearly equal in size. As for the 15 states mentioned in this thread, they are covered the same way VZW covers some areas - roaming agreements. We just don't charge for it. T-Mobile close to VZW in size or talkability? T-Mobile is the SMALLEST GSM carrier currently operating nationwide. They started out GSM, so had no need to upgrade their ne

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Uhhh, get it right, brandon. I'm with the WINNER of that merger, pal.

it is funny to see how hardcore and brainwashed you are phonepimp. why in the world would vodaphone dump verizon. Think about it why would they dump the number 1 cell phone company. why would they want to dump the company with the fewest complaints to the FCC. and go to the company attws with the most. 2nd why would they give up the advance advantages of cdma. and go with the old and oudated gsm.

vzwdaddy said:
it is funny to see how hardcore and brainwashed you are phonepimp. why in the world would vodaphone dump verizon. Think about it why would they dump the number 1 cell phone company. why would they want to dump the company with the fewest complaints to the FCC. and go to the company attws with the most. 2nd why would they give up the advance advantages of cdma. and go with the old and oudated gsm.

your crazy you should stop talking and just keep being brainwashed by verizon to think CDMA is god. Get a clue GSM is not outdated. You need to read a book or something get some real information before u post.

gsm can hold 8 calls per channel while cdma can hold 10 calls her channel that seems to better unless my math is not right. i do have real information for your knowledge i do not read it off cracker jack boxes like most gsm people do

Since you all think GSM is sooo much better, I think we'd all like to hear just why you think its better. Be specific 😕

if GSM is so great why are you sorry people in the Verizon Wireless forum. Do you not have enough to talk about in your small GSM fourm's I know you where the kid in highschool who never had any place to go and you always wanted to hang out with the cool kids. We will let you hang with us but you have to stop smoking the crack

Lemme see... 80% of the activations in the combined Americas in 1Q'04 were GSM... SMALL? Put down the pipe yourself.

if you could stop smoking the pipe. You would see straight that I never said GSM was small.

You mention activations in "the Americas". Is it possible that your statistic includes Central and South Americas? If so, that figure may not really indicate how many GSM activations were completed in North America/United States alone.

great point testgirl

Yes testgirl, that is what "Americas" means... North, South and Central. The figures in the US are about 70% GSM last figures I saw. Still a healthy margin.

I understand what "the Americas" mean, smartass. 🙄 What published, verifiable documents did you see that specifically stated that 70% of US activations are GSM?

here's an article for you, testgirl:

http://www.silicon.com/networks/mobile/0,39024665,10 ... »

enjoy!

Figures I can't get it at work! 👿 Can you copy the text into a post? If not, I'll check it out when I get home. Thanks in advance! 🙂

testgirl -

The article is a bit lengthy, so I hesitate to post the content here. It does make for a good read, though.

lovely article from october of 2003. Also 71 million cdma to 21 million gsm and only 55 million when cingular/attws convert "all" there customers to gsm. which even you should know is never going to happen. Especially if your from the northeast as you say.

You're forgetting something there, bud. Your figures leave out the growth of those same GSM companies. Even though CDMA is a newer technology, GSM has had less time in the US to eastablish itself. Yet globally it has over 1 Billion users, and is the fastest growing wireless technology. Over 85% of carriers worldwide are GSM. It's only a matter of time before GSM overtakes CDMA here in the US like it has nearly everywhere else in the world. There are plenty of people who happen to like both ATTWS and Cingular. You act like this is the first time we've integrated systems into our fold. ATTWS just recently finished a GSM conversion... all new updates, all new GSM interfaces, same with Cingular. We are not the company we were when we began the G...
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verizon will always be better than cingular/att because we put the money into our network. plus we do more activations in one month than they do in 3....but not to put them down i like att i just dont care for cingular...to shady

Like we don't invest in our network? 485 towers in the Boston market this year alone? Oh please! You wanna talk shady? How about a national plan with REGIONAL M2M? three coverage maps for ONE rate plan? Give me a break, shady. We test our phones more rigorously than anybody else, so expect delays? Crap. Most rigorous testing goes to us, pal. The truth you hide is that they don't DEVELOP CDMA phones in the quantity or with the speed they do GSM phones, because only 15% of carriers worldwide ARE CDMA. Look at your own spiel before you throw stones.

testgirl said:
I understand what "the Americas" mean, smartass. 🙄 What published, verifiable documents did you see that specifically stated that 70% of US activations are GSM?

http://www.silicon.com/networks/mobile/0,39024665,10 ... »

Phonepimp3376, the article you gave me did not answer my original question. All it indicates is that the percentage rate of GSM use increased by 57% from June 2002-2003.

70% activations in America???? Bitch please! I recently traveled to Venezuela, 90% CDMA, there only one Italian GSM company TIM just getting started, they suck! Colombia, mostly CDMA, Peru, mostly CDMA, I really wonder where you're dreaming all these numbers from, now Brazil is mostly GSM, why? good question they were brided, they were like, choose GSM over CDMA and we'll give you phones cheaper. this is why they are GSM if not they would be moslty CDma too!

phonepimp3376 said:
Yes testgirl, that is what "Americas" means...

A little testy are we? Too much caffeine?

LMAO, muchdrama...

and a poster calling me a smartass would be an indication of what? Too much Viagra? Rogaine abuse? lol

phonepimp3376 said:
LMAO, muchdrama...

and a poster calling me a smartass would be an indication of what? Too much Viagra? Rogaine abuse? lol

Actually it would indicate a very sweet girl turning moody 'cause she asked a simple question and bascially got a slap in the face. She's sweet, but buddy...she's still a woman. Treat her well.

phonepimp3376 said:
Lemme see... 80% of the activations in the combined Americas in 1Q'04 were GSM... SMALL? Put down the pipe yourself.

You keep saying "the america's"...well how about the U.S.? where is Cinulgar/ATT at in the U.S.? where are they ranked with publications? where are they at with customer base? where are they at with wireless data? the answer to these qustions is all the same- behind VZW.

The majority of 'the americas' only offers GSM service (south america, canada). So of course there would be more GSM activations if that's all they offer. I admit, I too would rather have GSM than nothing. 🙄

but thats not saying much for GSM...I mean yeah if thats the only thing that is available then yeah you're going to take it...but what about countries that have a choice on technology...what are the numbers in those situations?

TheVZWMan said:
but thats not saying much for GSM...I mean yeah if thats the only thing that is available then yeah you're going to take it...but what about countries that have a choice on technology...what are the numbers in those situations?

Oh, you mean like the United States? 🤣

Besides the fact that VZW may still have a larger customer base than the two largest U.S. GSM providers combined, when they merge, according to phonepimp you can't really tell who people prefer.. 🤣

thats what I'm preaching here

In the US, in the last 2 quarters, GSM has closed the gap on CDMA, a trend that will continue. In other places? GSM has 1.44 BILLION users worldwide, compared to 199.1 million CDMA users worldwide. Check out the EMC World Cellular Database for the sad truth.

Those figures are current through March 2004, the last released data from EMC.

okay you've said that a BILLION times...quit beating a dead horse...but in those areas how many options do they have with celular technology? Also in a previous post you said that VZW doesn't have coverage in some areas that they show on thye map...#1 there is no that the map the size of a business card would be able to show a square mile out in the middle of nowhere on a map of the USA that small...#2 show me solid proof that no other company has fluxuation in signal...it's impossible not to have fluxuation...depending on interferance or surrounding...I'm calling BULLSHIT on you....

hey phonepimp,
gsm is dominant over there because they have no other options...here in the US where you and all of us live, CDMA will be number 1 for awhile...and once verizon goes into the GSM game you will have nothing left to do but cheer for ur number 2 still

yeah do you travel outside the US at all phone pimp? If not who cares about elsewhere...you're dominated in right here

thank you vzw man...someone that finally listens and talks about the facts and the sad truth...hey do you work for verizon?

Why would VZW get into GSM, if CDMA is SOOOOO superior? I'm not basing my figures on the completion of the ATTWS buyout, but on current growth trends.

its not superior, just a better---not buy a whole lot, but better none the less.

sorry i didnt do my homework-do i get detention? Im just a plain old cust who is worried about getting the most he can from the vzw machine, not gsm to cdma user ratio in madagascar( i dont even know how to spell the country)

musta done your homework... you did very well spelling Madagascar... 😁

phonepimp3376 said:
In the US, in the last 2 quarters, GSM has closed the gap on CDMA, a trend that will continue.

Closed the gap? what are you talking about?? 😕

For the 47th time, when Cingular and ATT merge, VZW will STILL have a larger customer base.

The only 'trend' that seems to be repeating is the fact that VZW remains #1 year after year.


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and the truth..........shall set you free!!!!!!!!!!!lol

PhonePimp is down for the count. If you're smart, you'd stay down.

..getting owned like Cingular & ATT 😛


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85percent said:
PhonePimp is down for the count. If you're smart, you'd stay down.

..getting owned like Cingular & ATT 😛


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lol...OWNED!
i dont even know what the hell yall are talking about..i just read the "going down" and thought it would be something "good" lmao. ahem

.i just read the "going down" and thought it would be something "good" lmao. ahem

🤭 hehe, me too!

Actually, If you guys were doing your homework, you would know that there are quite a few countries that offer both GSM and CDMA... the US in the only one where it is dominant.

phonepimp3376 said:
Actually, If you guys were doing your homework, you would know that there are quite a few countries that offer both GSM and CDMA... the US in the only one where it is dominant.

You're right, I didn't do my homework. I could really care less what happens outside of the US. You're the one who keeps quoting worldwide figures, when everyone has told you GSM is "dominant" in other countries. None of us stated it was the "only" thing available.

testgirl said:
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i just read the "going down" and thought it would be something "good" lmao. ahem

🤭 hehe, me too!


Good to know im not the only one that thought like that! lol. i feel better now 🙂 heh

Brent85 said:

testgirl said:
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i just read the "going down" and thought it would be something "good" lmao. ahem

🤭 hehe, me too!


Good to know im not the only one that thought like that! lol. i feel better now 🙂 heh

Yeah, we are all a bunch of company brainwashed pervs! 🤣

testgirl said:

Yeah, we are all a bunch of company brainwashed pervs! 🤣

well thats what keeps us going through out the day 🙂

:phew: Glad THEY said that...lol

199.1 million cdma users worldwide? i thought cdma was only in n america? gsm is going to have a larger user base because its older and spread out through out the world.

more ford cars are sold in the us than bmw's, therefore its safe to conclude that fords are better. this is fallacy.

Come on guys... CDMA only in America? Yes you are in other countries. Europe is the only one that MANDATES GSM, Others have a choice.

Okay here goes...

1) Global standard
2) Ease of customer use and phone upgrade - simply change phones by SIM swap.
3) Updateable without cutesy codes, again customer ease of use.
4) dedicated bandwidth means no signal fluctuation as is common with CDMA
5) consistent data speeds mean more reliable delivery of critical data.
6) better vendor support
7) Rated truest sound in wireless

Shall I keep going?

Not to mention...how does it feel to be number 1 on the number 2 technology usage wise?

phonepimp3376 said:
Not to mention...how does it feel to be number 1 on the number 2 technology usage wise?

Uh, why would we feel anything about that? I'd feel something if it involved something important...like family, God, Country or love...but cell phone platforms? We'll all just "feel" safe in the fact that "our" network's more reliable.

lemme see, I think your big window cling says "based on our internal tests and network advantages"... somebody translate that for me.

phonepimp3376 said:
lemme see, I think your big window cling says "based on our internal tests and network advantages"... somebody translate that for me.

Actually my window cling says "Don't Mess with the U.S."...which I promptly took down for fear of looking like the moronic American the rest of the world despises. But arrogance aside, shall I bring up Consumer Reports again? Yeesh. You'd think someone like you would read it.

the consistent data speed is funny, because the New York Times said that Verizon Wireless's broadband was the best out the the 5 major carriers that it tested at this years. wireless confrence.

That's funny, because every TECH article I have read faults VWZ for burstiness, a trend that will continue with EV-DO

see how he avoided the real question

phonepimp3376 said:
That's funny, because every TECH article I have read faults VWZ for burstiness, a trend that will continue with EV-DO

How the hell do we know it'll continue with EV DO? Wouldn't you actually want to see the service up and running on a nationwide scale before you'd come to a conclusion about it? Besides, recent articles in the Wall Street Journal and Forbes Magazine specifically mentioned that both trials in San Diego and Washington, D.C. showed no "burstiness". That's not even a word, by the way.

burstiness is defined as extremely high spikes of data as it travels from source to destination. This is not good for data.

phonepimp3376 said:
burstiness is defined as extremely high spikes of data as it travels from source to destination. This is not good for data.

True. But like I said (and did you even read my post?)...so far the trials in D.C. and San Diego don't show these spikes.

phonepimp3376 said:
Uhhh, get it right, brandon. I'm with the WINNER of that merger, pal.

ATTWS is the winner, right? I mean, it's their network that is so crappy, right? So Cingular is the loser, right? I mean, if I bought a crappy network to merge with my mediocre network, then I'M the loser, right? Right.

Let's not forget Verizon was created through the merge of multiple companies itself...........