razr for vzw
you know i really feel sorry for all you VZW sheep because the best thing you have to look forward to is the RAZR, hate to burst your bubble but the phone is lacking in a lot of areas for the price, and here in cingular world we have nicknamed it "the coaster phone".. because when closed on a table it looks like you should set a drink on it and not make a call with is.. maybe one day VZW will get with the times, deploy a modern network so that modern handsets can be sold to its followers.. till then we will raise the bar!
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Wow... if Verizon is so awful, then how do you explain the fact that they've been kicking Cingular's big orange butt the past few quarters? What were last quarters customer adds again... 1.92 million for VZW, 1.07 million for Cingy? 😳
3rd quarter results are due out in the next week or two, and should be about the same.
If that's Cingy's definition of 'raising the bar', then I guess VZW doesn't have too much to worry about. 🙂
3rd quarter results are due out in the next week or two, and should be about the same.
If that's Cingy's definition of 'raising the bar', then I guess VZW doesn't have too much to worry about. 🙂
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Jake he or she is just another brainwashed zombie who cannot seem to understand all the national polls and the last couple of quarter results, for some reason they still think cingular is doing better than verizon AMAZING!!!! WAKE UP!!!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Well, I guess the 3rd quarter results should bring the message home, if nothing else. 🙂
I honestly don't want Cingy to do too badly in the long-term. After all, as VZW's #1 competitor, they serve a valuable role: helping keep Verizon's prices down. 😁 But they won't BE all that much competition if they keep going the way they have been, pretending that 'everything's okay, booyah!'.
I guess Cingy won't really light a fire under themselves and take it to the next level until they're in dire and immediate danger of losing that #1 in total customers distinction that is so important to them (and which they paid so many billions for). The way things are going now, Verizon is set to pass them sometime around 4th quarter 2006.
I honestly don't want Cingy to do too badly in the long-term. After all, as VZW's #1 competitor, they serve a valuable role: helping keep Verizon's prices down. 😁 But they won't BE all that much competition if they keep going the way they have been, pretending that 'everything's okay, booyah!'.
I guess Cingy won't really light a fire under themselves and take it to the next level until they're in dire and immediate danger of losing that #1 in total customers distinction that is so important to them (and which they paid so many billions for). The way things are going now, Verizon is set to pass them sometime around 4th quarter 2006.
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yeah I hear ya I would have thought the last (2) quarter results would have driven it home with cingular followers but I guess not! 🤣 What will they say when 4Q comes around next year and they lose there spot as number 1 in customer amount only? I'm sure they have a lot of time between now and then to come up with some lame a$$ excuse just like the same excuses they having been using up until now!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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But that's just it, Mav... if that happens (and I don't see much now to contradict that notion that it will), there's really no excuse they can make. They will have had #1, and then lost it. There's really nothing you can say to that. Which is why I think Cingy management will be desperate to avoid that... they don't want it happening on their watch.
The thing is, though, I don't know that they have what it takes to really re-invent Cingy into a company that excecutes as well as Verizon. They seem like they're more into throwing money at problems than anything else.
So their 'last stand' battle orders will be, instead of truly improving CS or network reliability like they need to, something more along the lines of a big expensive mar...
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The thing is, though, I don't know that they have what it takes to really re-invent Cingy into a company that excecutes as well as Verizon. They seem like they're more into throwing money at problems than anything else.
So their 'last stand' battle orders will be, instead of truly improving CS or network reliability like they need to, something more along the lines of a big expensive mar...
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Wasn't Cingular kicked out of the Better Business Bureau of New York because of so many complaints? What does that tell you...
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L7jr said:
Wasn't Cingular kicked out of the Better Business Bureau of New York because of so many complaints? What does that tell you...
Bingo, plus they sucked long before that
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I think the allegation at the top of the stream was that the RAZR was not such a hot phone. You're arguing networks. Verizon, in my view, has got that covered like a blanket. Cingular, since its takeover of AT&T and, in some markets like Charlottesville, VA, Suncom, has become a four-letter word. I had one customer who had our regional service for five years, thought he could do better and went to Cingular, and was with them for TWO WEEKS! Absolutely hates their coverage. Not only did he make arrangements to bring his old number back to us, he established a second line with Cingular which he is porting over as well. This customer is so typical of the folks who were mesmerized by the promise of Cingular becoming greater with the AT&T a...
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But that's just it, Mav... if that happens (and I don't see much now to contradict that notion that it will), there's really no excuse they can make. They will have had #1, and then lost it. There's really nothing you can say to that. Which is why I think Cingy management will be desperate to avoid that... they don't want it happening on their watch.
The thing is, though, I don't know that they have what it takes to really re-invent Cingy into a company that excecutes as well as Verizon. They seem like they're more into throwing money at problems than anything else.
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I honestly don't think its 'bashing' at all Forsyth... that's just pretty much what they're going to do far as I can tell, and my predictions have been pretty good before.
Now, I'm not saying that I'm aboving teasing the occassional pumped-up Cingy troll when they wander onto the VZW forum spouting nonsense, but as far as calling a spade a spade, I've always done that. Haven't you noticed by now?
Look, Cingy reports its 3rd qtr results on Wednesday. Take a gander at those then, and tell me if its 'bashing' to say that they're not executing nearly as well as Verizon, or that they're in very real danger of losing #1 in customer count soon. Acknowledging the reality of the situation certainly isn't 'bashing' or 'war-starting', unless one...
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Now, I'm not saying that I'm aboving teasing the occassional pumped-up Cingy troll when they wander onto the VZW forum spouting nonsense, but as far as calling a spade a spade, I've always done that. Haven't you noticed by now?
Look, Cingy reports its 3rd qtr results on Wednesday. Take a gander at those then, and tell me if its 'bashing' to say that they're not executing nearly as well as Verizon, or that they're in very real danger of losing #1 in customer count soon. Acknowledging the reality of the situation certainly isn't 'bashing' or 'war-starting', unless one...
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I honestly don't think its 'bashing' at all Forsyth... that's just pretty much what they're going to do far as I can tell, and my predictions have been pretty good before.
Now, I'm not saying that I'm aboving teasing the occassional pumped-up Cingy troll when they wander onto the VZW forum spouting nonsense, but as far as calling a spade a spade, I've always done that. Haven't you noticed by now?
Look, Cingy reports its 3rd qtr results on Wednesday. Take a gander at those then, and tell me if its 'bashing' to say that they're not executing nearly as well as Verizon, or that they're in very real danger of losing #1 in customer count soon. Acknowledging the reality of the situation certainly isn'
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Well SF, you have to understand, to my mind I'm not the one who really 'starts' things. I simply post news and/or my opinion, and they go crazy. Kinda sux, but oh well.
Even when I've tried to take as neutral and calm a tone as possible, I still get jumped on and flamed by certain folks who hate what I say and who think they can shut me up by yelling at me. As you know, that technique doesn't work so well with me, now does it? 🙂
I think your point about giving Cingy more time is a fair one though, and its definitely one I've given thought to. But I always return to the fact that, even pre-merger, Cingy wasn't the best run company. More like middle of the pack. So even when Cingy finally brings the former ATTW half of their operation ...
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Even when I've tried to take as neutral and calm a tone as possible, I still get jumped on and flamed by certain folks who hate what I say and who think they can shut me up by yelling at me. As you know, that technique doesn't work so well with me, now does it? 🙂
I think your point about giving Cingy more time is a fair one though, and its definitely one I've given thought to. But I always return to the fact that, even pre-merger, Cingy wasn't the best run company. More like middle of the pack. So even when Cingy finally brings the former ATTW half of their operation ...
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Very well put, Jake.
You must understand that Cingular was not in my area before the merger, so I didn't know anything about them before the merger was announced. Therefore, I am more prone to give them more of a chance to right their wrongs before I completely rule them out as viable competition for VZW.
In all honesty, we NEED Cingular to do well in my market, because it is predominately Verizon (I think about 70% of all subscribers or so). If VZW keeps running away with it this bad, we will be in trouble from a price standpoint. So maybe I'm looking at the bright side too much to see clearly.
Plus, I have both services. And in my area, they are pretty equal. I have had no real problems with my Cingular service, once they g...
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You must understand that Cingular was not in my area before the merger, so I didn't know anything about them before the merger was announced. Therefore, I am more prone to give them more of a chance to right their wrongs before I completely rule them out as viable competition for VZW.
In all honesty, we NEED Cingular to do well in my market, because it is predominately Verizon (I think about 70% of all subscribers or so). If VZW keeps running away with it this bad, we will be in trouble from a price standpoint. So maybe I'm looking at the bright side too much to see clearly.
Plus, I have both services. And in my area, they are pretty equal. I have had no real problems with my Cingular service, once they g...
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Yeah, you begin to see the problem. I like Verizon, and its fun to see them 'pwn', but if they 'pwn' too much, eventually some jerk exec is going to smirk and rub his hands together and say "lets try to raise prices". And who's gonna stop 'im?
You're right btw, about VZW being really good out West. Here in the Northern California Bay Area and Sacramento area, it really isn't much of a contest at all. Verizon's one one level, and everyone else is on another.
Oh, and don't worry about me developing nextel18 syndrome anytime soon. I'll rebutt guys like 'Angry Al' every time because that's the only way to deal with a bully, but that doesn't mean that I love to argue, only that I stand up for my right to express my opinion as I see fit, reg...
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You're right btw, about VZW being really good out West. Here in the Northern California Bay Area and Sacramento area, it really isn't much of a contest at all. Verizon's one one level, and everyone else is on another.
Oh, and don't worry about me developing nextel18 syndrome anytime soon. I'll rebutt guys like 'Angry Al' every time because that's the only way to deal with a bully, but that doesn't mean that I love to argue, only that I stand up for my right to express my opinion as I see fit, reg...
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You're right btw, about VZW being really good out West. Here in the Northern California Bay Area and Sacramento area, it really isn't much of a contest at all. Verizon's one one level, and everyone else is on another.
Yeah....my trips to Phoenix and San Diego and San Francisco this summer have made me wonder....If you watch that Laguna Beach show on MTV (My wife is addicted to it), everyone has the RAZR on Cingular. I always wonder how they work for the rich brats but they never work for us normal people. 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Yeah....my trips to Phoenix and San Diego and San Francisco this summer have made me wonder....If you watch that Laguna Beach show on MTV (My wife is addicted to it), everyone has the RAZR on Cingular. I always wonder how they work for the rich brats but they never work for us normal people. 🤣 🤣 🤣
That won't be a problem anymore pretty soon- all the rich brats will have the RAZR on Verizon for Christmas. Nice. 😁
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Hey pal hate to burst your bubble that seems to have you in a coma, but in case you have not seen the results from the last (2) quarters or maybe have not seen the results from the consumer reports poll or even the j.d. power poll. Anyways to make a long story short the theme here is that cingular loses to VZW every time so tell cingular jack to let you out from under the stairs so you can see the light!! The razor only sucks for you guys because it is attatched to a horrible cingular network, us over here at verizon will be able to experience the razor for how it was meant to be, you know with actual signal bars on it!!!!!!!!! hahahaha 🤣 🤣 But anyways you really need to wake up and read if you can how bad cingulars service compare...
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you know i really feel sorry for all you VZW sheep because the best thing you have to look forward to is the RAZR, hate to burst your bubble but the phone is lacking in a lot of areas for the price, and here in cingular world we have nicknamed it "the coaster phone".. because when closed on a table it looks like you should set a drink on it and not make a call with is.. maybe one day VZW will get with the times, deploy a modern network so that modern handsets can be sold to its followers.. till then we will raise the bar!
Modern network???? C'mon. VZW has 3G and Cingular doesn't (yet). Who has a more modern network now????
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why is it that every comparative discussion of cingular and verizon contains nothing more then net adds, i said nothing about that i was just making an observation that it is funny how ya'll verizon folks are so intrigued with the razr when we have sold that piece of crap for over a year.. it is not the service that makes the phone a piece of crap, because it works fine, it is just an unfeatured wide and long awkward phone... all of you vzw sheep need to relax and get a life.. i don't care how many people cingular obtains in q3 or q4 i will take the GSM network and best handset selection.. umts launches in 2 weeks..even more handset selection. If 47.9 million (or how ever many vzw customers there are) jumped off a bridge would you do it too?...
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I'm 5 minutes from New York City - the center of the world.. My friend has Cingular and I have Verizon, I have full power and he can't make a call - your point is?
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I have had the displeasure to have Cingular as my carrier twice. The plans are o.k., customer service reps were always very nice & somewhat knowledgeable, store reps not so nice nor knowledgable. I just got tired of having dropped calls several times every day. I use my phone alot & most of the time found myself saying "can you hear me" "are you still there"; Even in areas that have a high signal you still will get lots of dropped calls and poor call quality. I always have the best phone for reception & found myself fearing making a call or answering one due to the poor reception I always got.
Verizon's service is the most reliable & has the best call quality. That is the main reason to go with any carrier. Verizon has & always wil...
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Verizon's service is the most reliable & has the best call quality. That is the main reason to go with any carrier. Verizon has & always wil...
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why is it that every comparative discussion of cingular and verizon contains nothing more then net adds
Actually not true, we also discussed customer service and network reliability, two other things VZW is currently beating Cingy in. 🙂
But if you want, we could also discuss churn. Cingy has 2.2% churn rate currently, which means that 1.1 million customers bailed on them last quarter. Verizon has a 1.2% churn rate, which means that about 600k customers left them last quarter.
So, almost TWICE as many people leave Cingy as leave Verizon. That, to me, speaks volumes. As in, if Cingy were half as great as you say, and Verizon half as terrible, then WHY is that happening? 😕
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why is it that every comparative discussion of cingular and verizon contains nothing more then net adds, i said nothing about that i was just making an observation that it is funny how ya'll verizon folks are so intrigued with the razr when we have sold that piece of crap for over a year.. it is not the service that makes the phone a piece of crap, because it works fine, it is just an unfeatured wide and long awkward phone... all of you vzw sheep need to relax and get a life.. i don't care how many people cingular obtains in q3 or q4 i will take the GSM network and best handset selection.. umts launches in 2 weeks..even more handset selection. If 47.9 million (or how ever many vzw customers there are) jum
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Coming from someone who's had both Verizon and Cingular service I can tell you that Verizon has much better coverage, with my E815 I always have at least two bars, not so with Cingular (try no bars half the time). Isn't that the whole point of owning a cell phone...to be able to make calls???
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I had att/cingular for a combined 4 years. i was happy when i had it i admit. but only after switching to verizon did i realize what i was missing. no dropped calls and no network busy problems is quite refreshing. i get no reception issues ( and i have a POS audiovox 8910), no billing errors and awesome customer service. plus some of the other stuff like ringback tones is a neat feature, but that's just a bonus. i really didn't know what i was missing.
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I had att/cingular for a combined 4 years. i was happy when i had it i admit. but only after switching to verizon did i realize what i was missing. no dropped calls and no network busy problems is quite refreshing. i get no reception issues ( and i have a POS audiovox 8910), no billing errors and awesome customer service. plus some of the other stuff like ringback tones is a neat feature, but that's just a bonus. i really didn't know what i was missing.
Have to agree. I used to have Virgin/Sprint, and it worked okay... not great, but sorta ok. It wasn't until I got Verizon that I understood stuff like "oh, my phone doesn't HAVE to drop the call a mile from my house" when I drive through a part...
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I on the other hand, don't even know what the 'network too busy' message for Verizon LOOKS LIKE,
Me ether, I haven’t seen it in six years and I doubt I ever will. I didn't even know such a warning existed. Glad I have verizon 🙂
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Listen ignorant do not try to sound intelligent now once you have been made a fool of. Yes I've tried cingular and yes they suck bottom line. Now take your great razor and use it on a sh$$t network and of course your going to be unhappy these are the facts, just because you got punked for being a fool, don't be mad at anyone but your self!!! 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Okay, I normally dont like o take sides, but you know. I dont really understand the great appeal of the razr. It looks pretty and all, but how many slim, small phones (audiovox 8600 for example) have ever preformed all that well? I think the Moto e815, hell, the 710 seems the better phone to the razr. I know people who have managed to break them already. I'm not really looking for backers on this issue, nor am i looking for naysayers, i'm just curious as to what the real appeal is for the razr. as an aside, anyone seen the flashlight phone nokia's comming out with?
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The RAZR's appeal is mostly just looks. But that's a powerful draw. Look at something like iPod Nano... ppl are practically knocking each other down to get one.
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The RAZR's appeal is mostly just looks. But that's a powerful draw. Look at something like iPod Nano... ppl are practically knocking each other down to get one.
Also the RAZR will be one full ounce lighter then my E815, plus the fact it has an internal antenna will make a nice fit for a shirt pocket 😁 I would like to be able to comfortable ditch the belt clip 🙂
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