Treo 650 - Cingular or Verizon??
Which provider is better with this phone?? Which has faster internet surfing?? Which is better with Email?? Do either limit any of its functions?? I've always been a palm user so I've been looking forward to getting my hands on one... just don't know with which provider. Help please.......
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Cingular has done a great job with this phone. The Treo 650 has actually been consistently said to work the best with Cingular. Cnet.com has actually rated the Cingular version of the Treo 650 an 8.3 out of 10 which by their standards is excellent. Verizon's on the other hand has not been worthy of the editor's choice award.
With the Treo 650 on Cingular, you will actually get faster data rates with Cingular's EDGE network vs. Verizon's slower 1xRRT network. Cingular limits none of the Treo's functions, and I am not positive but I am sure Verizon may have crippled the bluetooth functionality.
I actually was in the Cingular store today and got to play around a bit with this phone, and I have to say that I really liked it.
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With the Treo 650 on Cingular, you will actually get faster data rates with Cingular's EDGE network vs. Verizon's slower 1xRRT network. Cingular limits none of the Treo's functions, and I am not positive but I am sure Verizon may have crippled the bluetooth functionality.
I actually was in the Cingular store today and got to play around a bit with this phone, and I have to say that I really liked it.
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Good job comparing two differnt technologies and making your point look better.
EDGE is Cingular's version of EVDO. EVDO is 400-700 kbps and up to 2.4 Mbps. It however isn't available on the 650.
EDGE is a software enhancement for Cingular's General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) data network that can support peak data rates up to 170 kilobits per second with average data rates of 75-135 Kbps.
http://evdoinfo.com/images/stories/Download_Graphc.jpg »
EDGE is Cingular's version of EVDO. EVDO is 400-700 kbps and up to 2.4 Mbps. It however isn't available on the 650.
EDGE is a software enhancement for Cingular's General Packet Radio Service (GPRS) data network that can support peak data rates up to 170 kilobits per second with average data rates of 75-135 Kbps.
http://evdoinfo.com/images/stories/Download_Graphc.jpg »
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well The question was which carrier has the better Treo 650 so I would say that was the answer that the asker of the question was looking for. (read the top message)
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Okay, he specifically asked which network the Treo 650 would run faster on. Considering EDGE is faster than 1xRRT and those two technologies are the only ones the Tre 650 runs on, I gave him that facts. He didn't ask anything about EV-DO and even at that I should have told him to hold out for Cingular to release HSDPA later this year.
Why are you always so quick to jump on people for giving people the most beneficial information? I'm not here to make a sales pitch for Cingular, just to give somebody the most enjoyable and stress free experience possible.
Why are you always so quick to jump on people for giving people the most beneficial information? I'm not here to make a sales pitch for Cingular, just to give somebody the most enjoyable and stress free experience possible.
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Ruff... thank you for all your input. (in each of my mulitude of posts) ;-)
Whats HSDPA?? (hey you brought it up.) I'm assuming its a high speed... DPA... whatever those stand for. Will that be compatible with the treo?? Or am I gonna need to get something else in 6 months. ;-) (seems I tend to do that a lot anyways) Thanks again.
Whats HSDPA?? (hey you brought it up.) I'm assuming its a high speed... DPA... whatever those stand for. Will that be compatible with the treo?? Or am I gonna need to get something else in 6 months. ;-) (seems I tend to do that a lot anyways) Thanks again.
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HSDPA stands for high-speed data packet access and is being released by Cingular towards the end of this year. It has data speeds of around 3-4 mbps and speed bursts anywhere up to 14.4 mbps. It will be that fastest high-speed network that any carrier will offer for quite some time.
The Treo 650 won't be compatible with HSDPA but they most likely will release a new version supporting that tech when it is rolled out by Cingular. Don't worry though, because HSDPA may not be available in your area until sometime next year. Right now EDGE is the largest high-speed data network and if you're going for a Palm device, then the Treo 650 is your best bet.
The Treo 650 won't be compatible with HSDPA but they most likely will release a new version supporting that tech when it is rolled out by Cingular. Don't worry though, because HSDPA may not be available in your area until sometime next year. Right now EDGE is the largest high-speed data network and if you're going for a Palm device, then the Treo 650 is your best bet.
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gotta love the "honest opinion" from the the Cingular employee/fanboy who highly recommends cingular. "i was in the cingular store today (while at work, etc).
hey smart guy, if you're gonna run your cingular commercials over here, get your facts straight. the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Cnet.com has actually rated the Cingular version of the Treo 650 an 8.3 out of 10 which by their standards is excellent. Verizon's on the other hand has not been worthy of the editor's choice award.
the cnet editors gave BOTH phones an 8.3, braintrust...
i'm going to start using your meth...
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I am not positive but I am sure Verizon may have crippled the bluetooth functionality.
hey smart guy, if you're gonna run your cingular commercials over here, get your facts straight. the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Cnet.com has actually rated the Cingular version of the Treo 650 an 8.3 out of 10 which by their standards is excellent. Verizon's on the other hand has not been worthy of the editor's choice award.
the cnet editors gave BOTH phones an 8.3, braintrust...
i'm going to start using your meth...
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gotta love the "honest opinion" from the the Cingular employee/fanboy who highly recommends cingular. "i was in the cingular store today (while at work, etc).I am not positive but I am sure Verizon may have crippled the bluetooth functionality.
hey smart guy, if you're gonna run your cingular commercials over here, get your facts straight. the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Cnet.com has actually rated the Cingular version of the Treo 650 an 8.3 out of 10 which by their standards is excellent. Verizon's on the other hand has not been worthy of the editor's choice award.
the cnet editors gave BOTH phones an 8.3, braintrust.
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upset? my post was very tongue in cheek. sorry you took it the wrong way. speaking of taking things so seriousLY, weren't you the guy that got bent out of shape that 95+5 didn't equal 100 yesterday?
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LanceUppercut said:
the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Actually I spoke with a Verizon Rep this morning and he confirmed what RUFF1415 said. Bluetooth is limited in verizon phones to voice tranfers only. No file transfers or stuff like that.... I'm just saying what the Verizon Rep told me.
So I guess I'll be sticking with Cingular unless you can prove that the rep was wrong.
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SwingKid76 said:LanceUppercut said:
the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Actually I spoke with a Verizon Rep this morning and he confirmed what RUFF1415 said. Bluetooth is limited in verizon phones to voice tranfers only. No file transfers or stuff like that.... I'm just saying what the Verizon Rep told me.
So I guess I'll be sticking with Cingular unless you can prove that the rep was wrong.
Bluetooth is fully functional. You can transfer pictures and files to and from the PC with bluetooth.
If you want proof, call any verizon store, ask the rep to look at the treo 650 in infomanager and tell them to click the QRG/Hotsh...
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LanceUppercut said:...
gotta love the "honest opinion" from the the Cingular employee/fanboy who highly recommends cingular. "i was in the cingular store today (while at work, etc).I am not positive but I am sure Verizon may have crippled the bluetooth functionality.
hey smart guy, if you're gonna run your cingular commercials over here, get your facts straight. the bluetooth pdas on verizon are FULLY FUNCTIONAL. ITS THE EXACT SAME PHONE.
Cnet.com has actually rated the Cingular version of the Treo 650 an 8.3 out of 10 which by their standards is excellent. Verizon's on the other hand has not been worthy of the editor's choice award.
the cnet editors gave BOTH phones an 8.3, braintrust.
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To tell you the truth, I have never worked for a wireless company, and never will need to. I was in a Cingular store yesterday because I was looking to upgrade my phone. One of the phones I considered was the Treo 650, and by chance this post was made last night.
Why not share my opinion and do the guy (or girl) a favor. The person wanted an honest answer to a question, and he got one.
I said I wasn't positive if Verizon crippled any functions but knowing Verizon they like to cripple bluetooth right?
Also, Cnet did not give Verizon's Treo 650 the editor's choice award, because it is not the same phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650_Verizon_Wir ... »
Why not get your f...
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Why not share my opinion and do the guy (or girl) a favor. The person wanted an honest answer to a question, and he got one.
I said I wasn't positive if Verizon crippled any functions but knowing Verizon they like to cripple bluetooth right?
Also, Cnet did not give Verizon's Treo 650 the editor's choice award, because it is not the same phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650_Verizon_Wir ... »
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To tell you the truth, I have never worked for a wireless company, and never will need to. I was in a Cingular store yesterday because I was looking to upgrade my phone. One of the phones I considered was the Treo 650, and by chance this post was made last night.
Why not share my opinion and do the guy (or girl) a favor. The person wanted an honest answer to a question, and he got one.
I said I wasn't positive if Verizon crippled any functions but knowing Verizon they like to cripple bluetooth right?
Also, Cnet did not give Verizon's Treo 650 the editor's choice award, because it is not the same phone.
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650_Verizon_Wir ... »
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turbodeuce said:
Cnet's user review of sprint treo:
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650_Cingular_GS ... »
Oops, that's supposed to say Cingular treo
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turbodeuce said:...RUFF1415 said:
To tell you the truth, I have never worked for a wireless company, and never will need to. I was in a Cingular store yesterday because I was looking to upgrade my phone. One of the phones I considered was the Treo 650, and by chance this post was made last night.
Why not share my opinion and do the guy (or girl) a favor. The person wanted an honest answer to a question, and he got one.
I said I wasn't positive if Verizon crippled any functions but knowing Verizon they like to cripple bluetooth right?
Also, Cnet did not give Verizon's Treo 650 the editor's choice award, because it is not the same phone.
Why not get your facts straight?<
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RUFF1415 said:
1. I have my facts straight. Notice that on the link to the Cingular Treo it won an editor's choice award with a rating of 8.3, and Verizon's Treo did not. YOU linked to the wrong page.
Cingular (notice the big yellow box)-
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650__Cingular__ ... »
Verizon (notice the lack of the big yellow box)-
http://reviews.cnet.com/palmOne_Treo_650_Verizon_Wir ... »
Ok let's review, since you're obviously a little slow at this. Click the link you gave for verizon's treo, that is the user review, the EDITOR'S CHOICE review is under the editor's review! imagine that!
So, how do we get to the ed...
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Okay, you are officially stupid in my book. If you go back and follow through your own steps it will take you to Sprint's Treo. They are not the same thing, at all, period.
1. They have different carrier based software.
2. They have different funcionalities enabled on each device.
Cannot you not clearly read S-p-r-i-n-t? What would be the purpose of creating specific reviews for each Sprint and Verizon if it was the same phone. Take a look at any other phone on the site, and they simply do not do it.
Plus, go here, and check out if the Treo made Verizon's top phones:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Cell_phones/4521-6525_7-5021 ... »
Nope, sorry, not there. 🙄
1. They have different carrier based software.
2. They have different funcionalities enabled on each device.
Cannot you not clearly read S-p-r-i-n-t? What would be the purpose of creating specific reviews for each Sprint and Verizon if it was the same phone. Take a look at any other phone on the site, and they simply do not do it.
Plus, go here, and check out if the Treo made Verizon's top phones:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Cell_phones/4521-6525_7-5021 ... »
Nope, sorry, not there. 🙄
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Okay, you are officially stupid in my book. If you go back and follow through your own steps it will take you to Sprint's Treo. They are not the same thing, at all, period.
1. They have different carrier based software.
2. They have different funcionalities enabled on each device.
Cannot you not clearly read S-p-r-i-n-t? What would be the purpose of creating specific reviews for each Sprint and Verizon if it was the same phone. Take a look at any other phone on the site, and they simply do not do it.
Plus, go here, and check out if the Treo made Verizon's top phones:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Cell_phones/4521-6525_7-5021 ... »
Nope, sorry, not there. 🙄
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I get it, but I have pointed out:
1. They use different carrier based software.
2. They use have different functionalities enabled.
Therefore, they are not the same phone.
I don't even know why I am arguing with you because the original poster heeded my advice and is going with Cingular.
His concern was about the data rates, and he got the information he needed. Cingular's EDGE network will work better for him.
Goodnight.
1. They use different carrier based software.
2. They use have different functionalities enabled.
Therefore, they are not the same phone.
I don't even know why I am arguing with you because the original poster heeded my advice and is going with Cingular.
His concern was about the data rates, and he got the information he needed. Cingular's EDGE network will work better for him.
Goodnight.
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RUFF1415 said:
I get it, but I have pointed out:
1. They use different carrier based software.
2. They use have different functionalities enabled.
Therefore, they are not the same phone.
I don't even know why I am arguing with you because the original poster heeded my advice and is going with Cingular.
His concern was about the data rates, and he got the information he needed. Cingular's EDGE network will work better for him.
Goodnight.
Since you're such the expert...
What exactly is the software difference between Verizon's and Sprint's Treo?
And what functionality is different between the two?
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Sprint and Verizon's software is custom tailored to their liking and provide different abilities to each phone. I don't quite know how Verizon's internet works but from what I hear, it isn't so wonderful to use.
Functionality? I already have stated that they like to cripple certain functions (we know which one in particular) and three people, plus a Verizon rep has said the Treo is crippled. You may say otherwise but what is that worth to me?
Functionality? I already have stated that they like to cripple certain functions (we know which one in particular) and three people, plus a Verizon rep has said the Treo is crippled. You may say otherwise but what is that worth to me?
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RUFF1415 said:
I get it, but I have pointed out:
1. They use different carrier based software.
2. They use have different functionalities enabled.
Therefore, they are not the same phone.
I don't even know why I am arguing with you because the original poster heeded my advice and is going with Cingular.
His concern was about the data rates, and he got the information he needed. Cingular's EDGE network will work better for him.
Goodnight.
Nice way to subject by the way. You couldn't even admit you posted the wrong info.
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turbodeuce said:
Nice way change the to subject by the way. You couldn't even admit you posted the wrong info.
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I don't have to admit to anything because I don't believe I did. You can sit here and argue with me all you want, but then you might be late for work in the morning...
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RUFF1415 said:
I don't have to admit to anything because I don't believe I did. You can sit here and argue with me all you want, but then you might be late for work in the morning...
You misrepresented the ratings by comparing a user review to a editor's review. Then you linked to a page that had Cingular's treo review on it, but not the cdma version.
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I did not misrepresent the ratings by comparing an user's review to an editor's review.
I pointed out that Verizon's did not even recieve and editor's rating. Like I said, you must not read too well.
I linked to Cingular's version of the phone.
I linked to Verizon's version of the phone.
Simple as that.
If you are so worried that I misrepresented information then maybe it is unfortunate for Verizon that the Cnet editors did not feel their version of the Treo was worthy of getting the rating. Not my fault.
I pointed out that Verizon's did not even recieve and editor's rating. Like I said, you must not read too well.
I linked to Cingular's version of the phone.
I linked to Verizon's version of the phone.
Simple as that.
If you are so worried that I misrepresented information then maybe it is unfortunate for Verizon that the Cnet editors did not feel their version of the Treo was worthy of getting the rating. Not my fault.
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RUFF1415 said:Plus, go here, and check out if the Treo made Verizon's top phones:
http://reviews.cnet.com/Cell_phones/4521-6525_7-5021 ... »
Nope, sorry, not there. 🙄
That link is obviously outdated. Verizon does not even sell the Blackberry 7750 anymore, it has been discontinued and replaced by the 7250 and yet the link says Email Me When Available for the 7750.
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RUFF1415 said:
Hmmm, maybe you should take that up with Cnet then.
I really could care less what cnet rates or posts, you are the one that gave the link.
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If you didn't understand the "Email Me When Available" it was because it is no longer offered, so they cannot offer a price.
The other phones listed are newer than the 7750 and they are listed as available. If it was so old, they would likewise have the same "Email Me When Available" notation.
The other phones listed are newer than the 7750 and they are listed as available. If it was so old, they would likewise have the same "Email Me When Available" notation.
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turbodeuce said: Oh and what's this, when you see the top rated SMART phones by cnet, cingular's treo and verizon's treo come out the same????
http://reviews.cnet.com/Cell_phones/4521-6525_7-5021 ... »
You tell me that I misrepresented information when you try to put across Sprints's version of the Treo as Verizon's. 🤣
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RUFF1415 said:
Or maybe you just can't read?
No, maybe you can't read.
Quick Take: The Treo 650 for Verizon Wireless is reviewed as part of our Treo 650 CDMA review. Read on to get the full take from CNET editors.
CNET used the same review for both versions of the cdma treo, maybe they thought it was the same phone?
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Something Tough said:
My dog dropped a turbo deuce today. It was gross.
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refers to my car...
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By the way, in addition to Verizon's version of the Treo 650 not getting an editor's choice award, note that Cingular's Treo 650 got the #1 spot out of all cell phones.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless/4521-6525_7-5021435 ... »
http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless/4521-6525_7-5021435 ... »
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RUFF1415 said:
By the way, in addition to Verizon's version of the Treo 650 not getting an editor's choice award, note that Cingular's Treo 650 got the #1 spot out of all cell phones.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless/4521-6525_7-5021435 ... »
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Also, you should note that Cingular's version of the Treo 650 came out as #1 of all cell phones reviewed on Cnet.
http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless/4521-6525_7-5021435 ... »
Hope I've been able to help!
http://reviews.cnet.com/Wireless/4521-6525_7-5021435 ... »
Hope I've been able to help!
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Hard to say. Users of the CDMA (Verizon/Sprint) and GSM (Cingular) versions of the 650 seem about equally satisfied, if you read the Phonescoop user reviews:
CDMA (Verizon) version: Avg score 3.55 (out of 5), based on 41 user reviews
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/user_reviews.php?p ... »
GSM (Cingy) version: Avg score 3.48 (out of 5), based on 39 user reviews
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/user_reviews.php?p ... »
So I dunno... maybe read some user experiences and go from there.
CDMA (Verizon) version: Avg score 3.55 (out of 5), based on 41 user reviews
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/user_reviews.php?p ... »
GSM (Cingy) version: Avg score 3.48 (out of 5), based on 39 user reviews
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/user_reviews.php?p ... »
So I dunno... maybe read some user experiences and go from there.
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