Verizon considering GSM
Is there any thoughts weather Verizon would consider switching thier CDMA into GSM. I dont know what people see in CDMA.
*No roaing in Europe,
*And always stuck with the phone u get from them.
For me, my only choices in the US are T-Mobile and Cingular.
*No roaing in Europe,
*And always stuck with the phone u get from them.
For me, my only choices in the US are T-Mobile and Cingular.
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dorisall said:
Is there any thoughts weather Verizon would consider switching thier CDMA into GSM. I dont know what people see in CDMA.
*No roaing in Europe,
*And always stuck with the phone u get from them.
For me, my only choices in the US are T-Mobile and Cingular.
I seriously doubt it, considering that the entire tower system would have to be rebuilt and their techicians retrained...
Companies that use CDMA prefer it due to the fact that they can operate more phones per tower, faster, thus making it cheaper to use in the long run without any quality loss.
Speedywalk
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
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It would never happen. It is not economically feasible even if they believed GSM was better than CDMA (don't start a techno war).
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dorisall said:
Is there any thoughts weather Verizon would consider switching thier CDMA into GSM. I dont know what people see in CDMA.
*No roaing in Europe,
*And always stuck with the phone u get from them.
For me, my only choices in the US are T-Mobile and Cingular.
It would be way too expensive to switch and for what reason?? CDMA seems to be working just fine for VZW
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I work for Cingular, and as much as I want to bag on the competition, I gotta give credit. Rule of thumb, if it isnt broke, dont fix it. Verizon is obviously doing something right.
Thats not to say down the road that wont change, but it looks to be a LOOOONG road.
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Thats not to say down the road that wont change, but it looks to be a LOOOONG road.
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CDMA is just fine for us Americans. I love the whole GSM vs CDMA debate,who cares, I just want the best service, which in my area happens to be provided by Verizon. Also in Europe CDMA is basicly outlawed so it never got a chance.
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which is smart, it creates a more unified europe so it is easier to go from country to country
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smd said:
which is smart, it creates a more unified europe so it is easier to go from country to country
But a unified Europe is still smaller than the US. So I still don't understand the point.
Speedywalk®
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
~Can't beat the real thing!™~
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speedywalk said:smd said:
which is smart, it creates a more unified europe so it is easier to go from country to country
But a unified Europe is still smaller than the US. So I still don't understand the point.
Speedywalk®
"It ain't broke, it just needs duct tape!"
~Can't beat the real thing!™~
Look at the maps. Europe may be smaller than North America, but it's about the same size as the United States. If not, just a bit smaller.
The point is that
1. Europe has a unified system. Having multiple systems creates interference and can affect the quality of both technologies. Which is why their 3G network had to be built on the GSM core.
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People would get upset if they saw some good choices and were told they can't watch it.
You mean like the good CDMA phones? I'd be pissed if I wasn't allowed to get any of those.
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Vatothe0 said:People would get upset if they saw some good choices and were told they can't watch it.
You mean like the good CDMA phones? I'd be pissed if I wasn't allowed to get any of those.
Well the top of the line in CDMA phones is usually mid-level for GSM. So, yeah I see why you are pissed.
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Al_Swearengen said:Vatothe0 said:People would get upset if they saw some good choices and were told they can't watch it.
You mean like the good CDMA phones? I'd be pissed if I wasn't allowed to get any of those.
Well the top of the line in CDMA phones is usually mid-level for GSM. So, yeah I see why you are pissed.
Show me 1 GSM phone that is currently available with any US National Carrier that has data speeds anywhere close to that of the LG VX-8000 or 8100 or the Motorola e815.
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I'll show you two.
Nokia 6651
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=539 »
Motorola A845
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=509 »
On a side note, is the 8100 even released yet? I was told that it was junked.
Nokia 6651
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=539 »
Motorola A845
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=509 »
On a side note, is the 8100 even released yet? I was told that it was junked.
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RUFF1415 said:
I'll show you two.
Nokia 6651
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=539 »
Motorola A845
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=509
Cool. But won't you get that speed in only six US cities currently? EV-DO, on the other hand, currently covers 100+ million people in the US.On a side note, is the 8100 even released yet? I was told that it was junked.
I've heard everything on that phone from 'its being junked' to 'its releasing this week!'. So your guess is as good as anyone's. 🙂
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RUFF1415 said:
I'll show you two.
Nokia 6651
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=539 »
Motorola A845
https://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=509
Cool. But won't you get that speed in only six US cities currently? EV-DO, on the other hand, currently covers 100+ million people in the US.On a side note, is the 8100 even released yet? I was told that it was junked.
I've heard everything on that phone from 'its being junked' to 'its releasing this week!'. So your guess is as good as anyone's. 🙂
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Ha, yes I do. I don't know why posts have been doing that but the same thing happened to me just the other day. Even when you go back and "fix" what wasn't wrong in the first place it does the same thing. Made me feel kind of dumb.
Thanks for the input though.
And this was the first time I think my handle has ever been used in a subject line. 🙂
Thanks for the input though.
And this was the first time I think my handle has ever been used in a subject line. 🙂
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Oh, and yes, you can currently only get those speeds in six cities. He wanted to see a GSM phone that could hit those speeds though, so I gave it to him. 😁
Cingular (and pretty much everybody else) needs to jump start their 3G plan now, before Verizon puts the last shovelful of dirt on the grave.
Cingular (and pretty much everybody else) needs to jump start their 3G plan now, before Verizon puts the last shovelful of dirt on the grave.
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RUFF1415 said:
Oh, and yes, you can currently only get those speeds in six cities. He wanted to see a GSM phone that could hit those speeds though, so I gave it to him. 😁
Cingular (and pretty much everybody else) needs to jump start their 3G plan now, before Verizon puts the last shovelful of dirt on the grave.
Wow... is it as bad as all that for Cingy? 😳
I know Verizon is really beating them to the punch with their much faster 3G rollout, but not everyone's a data user, after all. Still yeah, I guess it hurts.
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Well you and I both know that this industry revolves around bragging rights, and right now Verizon really packs a punch with their 3G network.
First nationwide (I guess you could say nationwide) 3G network.
Largest 3G network.
Fastest data network.
Etc.
That's a lot to brag about.
First nationwide (I guess you could say nationwide) 3G network.
Largest 3G network.
Fastest data network.
Etc.
That's a lot to brag about.
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RUFF1415 said:
Ha, yes I do. I don't know why posts have been doing that but the same thing happened to me just the other day. Even when you go back and "fix" what wasn't wrong in the first place it does the same thing. Made me feel kind of dumb.
Thanks for the input though.
And this was the first time I think my handle has ever been used in a subject line. 🙂
Yes, the forum she is smokin' something that she should share with us. There seems to have been a lot of assorted technical problems of late. ☹️
Far as putting your name in the marquee for the 1st time, happy to oblige, Ruff. For the record, my name has been featured in several subject lines, but usually when someone off the deep end was...
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Neither of which is available in my market, nor are there plans for them in the near future.
I can get EVDO, so right now, CDMA handsets are much further advanced in my market than GSM.
I can get EVDO, so right now, CDMA handsets are much further advanced in my market than GSM.
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SForsyth01 said:Al_Swearengen said:Vatothe0 said:People would get upset if they saw some good choices and were told they can't watch it.
You mean like the good CDMA phones? I'd be pissed if I wasn't allowed to get any of those.
Well the top of the line in CDMA phones is usually mid-level for GSM. So, yeah I see why you are pissed.
Show me 1 GSM phone that is currently available with any US National Carrier that has data speeds anywhere close to that of the LG VX-8000 or 8100 or the Motorola e815.
Naw. There is no need. Data speeds have NO bearing on quality. Nice try though.
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Al_Swearengen said:SForsyth01 said:
Show me 1 GSM phone that is currently available with any US National Carrier that has data speeds anywhere close to that of the LG VX-8000 or 8100 or the Motorola e815.
Naw. There is no need. Data speeds have NO bearing on quality. Nice try though.
Ironically, while *I* would tend to agree with you on this one, many users out there would not. To them, a phone is 'quality' if it meets their needs, and 'crap' if it doesn't.
On these forums, I'm sure we've all run into ppl who say things like the following:
"OMG, Verizon phones are all CRAP, none are thin like the RAZR!!!"
"OMG, it doesn't have a CAMERA, what a POS!!"
"OMG, no spea...
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BetterThanJake said:
Given that, yeah, probably a good amt of ppl out there would say that a phone that can't deliver high-speed data, and can't deliver it in a lot of places, was not a quality phone.
Verizon only offers that highspeed data on about 1/3 of it's entire network. So, if I spent that money on a gadget that didn't work everywhere, Id be mad, too.
Once again, you and I both know that speed isn't everything. So, we can let the idiots think that it is.
Don't get me wrong, I use an ev-do card with Verizon but that's only because I happen to do business mostly in the areas that they are covering, but I still bust out my Cingular PHONE to make calls. Verizon doesn't carry a phone that would ...
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Al_Swearengen said:
Verizon only offers that highspeed data on about 1/3 of it's entire network. So, if I spent that money on a gadget that didn't work everywhere, Id be mad, too.
Well, by that logic, they'd be a whole lot madder still if they were trying to do high-speed data on Cingular's UMTS network, which works in only in six cities.
Let's give both networks a break and assume that the high-speed data users who don't travel lots might be somewhat satisfied with high-speed data that works where they need it to, at least.
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Once again, you and I both know that speed isn't everything. So, we can let the idiots think that it is.
Don't get me wrong, I use an ev-do card with Verizon but
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BetterThanJake said:...Al_Swearengen said:
Verizon only offers that highspeed data on about 1/3 of it's entire network. So, if I spent that money on a gadget that didn't work everywhere, Id be mad, too.
Well, by that logic, they'd be a whole lot madder still if they were trying to do high-speed data on Cingular's UMTS network, which works in only in six cities.
Let's give both networks a break and assume that the high-speed data users who don't travel lots might be somewhat satisfied with high-speed data that works where they need it to, at least.
Once again, you and I both know that speed isn't everything. So, we can let the idiots think that it is.
Don't get me wr
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Al_Swearengen said:Vatothe0 said:People would get upset if they saw some good choices and were told they can't watch it.
You mean like the good CDMA phones? I'd be pissed if I wasn't allowed to get any of those.
Well the top of the line in CDMA phones is usually mid-level for GSM. So, yeah I see why you are pissed.
Let's rephrase that> Your statement sounds better as "Well, the top of the line American CDMA phone is usually mid-level for GSM". That sounds better right. While I was in Korea, I sawsome CDMA phones that made a lot of GSM handsets look like analog. Our market is just way too competitive for these handsets to sell...
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I don't know that Europe's regulators mandating GSM created such a paradise. Look at South Korea and Japan... the two most advanced cellular markets in the world, and there, CDMA and GSM co-exist happily.
You really don't have to have a single technology to have things go well. 🙂
You really don't have to have a single technology to have things go well. 🙂
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BetterThanJake said:
I don't know that Europe's regulators mandating GSM created such a paradise. Look at South Korea and Japan... the two most advanced cellular markets in the world, and there, CDMA and GSM co-exist happily.
You really don't have to have a single technology to have things go well. 🙂
I know you don't know, jake. That's why I'm here for you. 😉
I never said that for 'things to go well, you need only one technology'. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
I did say that having one technology makes it better. Have you ever used gsm in europe? Use it and you will realize the difference. CDMA and GSM technologies DO interfere with each other.
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Al_Swearengen said:
I never said that for 'things to go well, you need only one technology'. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
I did say that having one technology makes it better.
Sigh. Al wants to pick nits. Weren't you accusing me of doing that just the other day? Aw, don't be that way, pooky. 😉
South Korea does use both gsm and cdma and they have about the same quality of both systems that we do. The cdma is different there, too. They have far more advanced cdma phones than we do in the US.
Yup, glad you agree. And they are way ahead of Europe in the adoption of most 3G services, while not being devoted to a single technology.
Japan does not use GSM....
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BetterThanJake said:
It's also where US GSM carriers (Cingular, ATTW) are going starting in 2006.
Its probably fairer to note that, while UMTS won't be widely available until '06, it is in a few cities already (six, last I checked).
EV-DO has had a much faster rollout, but UMTS is not completely non-existent in '05.
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Also, Cingular has decided to entirely skip the originally planned "delay" between the launch of UMTS and the upgrade of HSDPA. They will be upgrading their network with HSDPA at the very same time they launch the UMTS network.
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Al_Swearengen said:
I never said that for 'things to go well, you need only one technology'. Sorry if you misunderstood me.
I did say that having one technology makes it better.
Sigh. Al wants to pick nits. Weren't you accusing me of doing that just the other day? Aw, don't be that way, pooky. 😉
South Korea does use both gsm and cdma and they have about the same quality of both systems that we do. The cdma is different there, too. They have far more advanced cdma phones than we do in the US.
Yup. And they are way ahead of Europe in the adoption of most 3G services, while not being devoted to a single technology.
Japan does not use GSM. They went straight...
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The cost of switch networks does not exceed the benefits, therefore it will not happen.
The GSM in the US opperates on a different bandwidth then the GSM in Europe. Just becuase a US phone is GSM doesn't mean it will operate of the Euro GSM network. Besides roaming rates are competitive with World Roam, the global phone rental company.
In regards to being stuck with the same phone. I dont know of any company that gives you a discount on a phone anytime you want. There are various upgrade policies, and to my knowledge, the New Every Two program is the best in discounts.
Your choice of carrier should be the one that provides the best service for YOU. Provides good coverage to the places you travel and places you travel with in your re...
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The GSM in the US opperates on a different bandwidth then the GSM in Europe. Just becuase a US phone is GSM doesn't mean it will operate of the Euro GSM network. Besides roaming rates are competitive with World Roam, the global phone rental company.
In regards to being stuck with the same phone. I dont know of any company that gives you a discount on a phone anytime you want. There are various upgrade policies, and to my knowledge, the New Every Two program is the best in discounts.
Your choice of carrier should be the one that provides the best service for YOU. Provides good coverage to the places you travel and places you travel with in your re...
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Well I spend a lot of time in Europe, Egypt, and the US; so a Verizon Wireless plan will immediatly immobolize me, except I get that new Motorola Dual GSM/CDMA phone and be stuck with it for the rest of my life. Which gets me to my other point, I enjoy using the latest phones which i buy DIRECTLY from the manufacturer example Nokia rather than T-Mobile, that will give a couple of advatages:
1) Unlocked - I can plug in my european/american/egyption SIM anytime
2) Unmodified - I can share pictures/tones/music for free using bluetooth between phones and computers which American providers disable on thier branded phones so we pay for the MMS/email usage.
3) New Releases - I get the phone months even a year before its release with americ...
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1) Unlocked - I can plug in my european/american/egyption SIM anytime
2) Unmodified - I can share pictures/tones/music for free using bluetooth between phones and computers which American providers disable on thier branded phones so we pay for the MMS/email usage.
3) New Releases - I get the phone months even a year before its release with americ...
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I work for a CDMA carrier (not Verizon). In your case, I can understand why you would want GSM. You travel. It makes sense.
But there a millions of people who don't travel. And there are millions of people who live in areas that GSM just doesn't work in. (I sell in one of those areas) Each service has good and bad parts to it.
Which is why you can have a choice. As far as phones, most of the 'high end' GSM phones are the same as CDMA, only they have a gimmick. There's not really anything really great or special about them, the only execption being a SIM card. (Which is a point I will give in GSMs favor)
But there a millions of people who don't travel. And there are millions of people who live in areas that GSM just doesn't work in. (I sell in one of those areas) Each service has good and bad parts to it.
Which is why you can have a choice. As far as phones, most of the 'high end' GSM phones are the same as CDMA, only they have a gimmick. There's not really anything really great or special about them, the only execption being a SIM card. (Which is a point I will give in GSMs favor)
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3) New Releases - I get the phone months even a year before its release with american providers, which gives you an elite one of a kind feel.
I'm so happy that gives you that kind of feeling. I'm sure everyone you know looks up to you because you have the "latest" cell phone.
I'm so happy that gives you that kind of feeling. I'm sure everyone you know looks up to you because you have the "latest" cell phone.
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Touche, schnozejt. Those are all very good points. I only wonder how you got your phone unlocked. I've heard horror stories about that, and I have a tri-mode GSM phone from Spain that I wouldn't mind using in the future with a US carrier. What I really wonder is if there are third-party companies or someone outside my carrier that can unlock it for me.
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Well I spend a lot of time in Europe, Egypt, and the US; so a Verizon Wireless plan will immediatly immobolize me, except I get that new Motorola Dual GSM/CDMA phone and be stuck with it for the rest of my life. Which gets me to my other point, I enjoy using the latest phones which i buy DIRECTLY from the manufacturer example Nokia rather than T-Mobile, that will give a couple of advatages:
1) Unlocked - I can plug in my european/american/egyption SIM anytime
2) Unmodified - I can share pictures/tones/music for free using bluetooth between phones and computers which American providers disable on thier branded phones so we pay for the MMS/email usage.
3) New Releases - I get the phone months even a
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lexical said:...dorisall said:
Well I spend a lot of time in Europe, Egypt, and the US; so a Verizon Wireless plan will immediatly immobolize me, except I get that new Motorola Dual GSM/CDMA phone and be stuck with it for the rest of my life. Which gets me to my other point, I enjoy using the latest phones which i buy DIRECTLY from the manufacturer example Nokia rather than T-Mobile, that will give a couple of advatages:
1) Unlocked - I can plug in my european/american/egyption SIM anytime
2) Unmodified - I can share pictures/tones/music for free using bluetooth between phones and computers which American providers disable on thier branded phones so we pay for the MMS/email usage.
3) New Release
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I think everyone before me's already said it, but I should reiterate some key points here.
Verizon will not move towards GSM. Much like Americans and metrics, European standards find little acceptance this side of the Atlantic. Even GSM in America operates on the FCC mandated frequencies of 850/1900 mhz, not the European 900/1800.
Granted GSM is supposedly a global standard, CDMA has the added benefit of being backwards compatible: No matter how far Verizon moves in the future they will still be able to support (grudgingly) their older customers and older coverage. Deployment of a better (voice) network is done through upgrading software and phones, not the technology.
It's simply cheaper to maintain a CDMA network and keep it going...
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Verizon will not move towards GSM. Much like Americans and metrics, European standards find little acceptance this side of the Atlantic. Even GSM in America operates on the FCC mandated frequencies of 850/1900 mhz, not the European 900/1800.
Granted GSM is supposedly a global standard, CDMA has the added benefit of being backwards compatible: No matter how far Verizon moves in the future they will still be able to support (grudgingly) their older customers and older coverage. Deployment of a better (voice) network is done through upgrading software and phones, not the technology.
It's simply cheaper to maintain a CDMA network and keep it going...
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