Verizon, AT&T, Sprint & T-Mobile
Why don't all the carriers pool their money, build a massive countrywide LTE network, use the same antennas & equipment, but resell their individual different services?
We would benifit greatly from this because all phones would work on all networks because they would all work on the same band, upgrades could be completed much faster because of the amount of capital the companies would share, they could focus on their applications and services rather than the network.
They are doing this in Finland now. Just think of all the waste of equipment we would save on. They should donate their old CDMA/GSM equipment to developing nations like Africa.
I know, its only a dream. =]
We would benifit greatly from this because all phones would work on all networks because they would all work on the same band, upgrades could be completed much faster because of the amount of capital the companies would share, they could focus on their applications and services rather than the network.
They are doing this in Finland now. Just think of all the waste of equipment we would save on. They should donate their old CDMA/GSM equipment to developing nations like Africa.
I know, its only a dream. =]
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Hey, I'm with you, but why stop with just the U.S.?
Add the quad-band GSM frequencies to the LTE, since it's unlikely the rest of the world will convert to LTE anytime soon. If they do, you can dump the GSM frequencies down the road.
You know, eventually, we will be using the same handsets everytwhere. The day of the landline and hardwire connection is in the sunset. What still needs to be rectified, in my humble opinion, is the extension of more tower sites into the less populated areas of the country where they've NEVER had a cellular signal.
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Add the quad-band GSM frequencies to the LTE, since it's unlikely the rest of the world will convert to LTE anytime soon. If they do, you can dump the GSM frequencies down the road.
You know, eventually, we will be using the same handsets everytwhere. The day of the landline and hardwire connection is in the sunset. What still needs to be rectified, in my humble opinion, is the extension of more tower sites into the less populated areas of the country where they've NEVER had a cellular signal.
Just my two cents...
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Why are there so many towers in New York City? Because there are more people there. Since the carriers actually have to spend money to purchase and those towers, doesn't it make sense to build them where there are actually people there to buy the service?
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You guys are either missing my point or I'm not saying exactly what I'm trying to say.
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This world of ours will eventually be totally wireless. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Of course there have to be more towers in NYC than the rural areas to handle the traffic. Does that mean the rural areas get shut down completely? Those people who grow our food, for example, aren't entitled to a decent cellular system? I think they are! And if any of you are adventurous enough to go off into the less populated areas and God forbid, you have an emergency on your hands, you're going to wish you had a signal out there, too! It can't be a case of ALL or NOTHING.
As far as my argument for universality of signal...
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This world of ours will eventually be totally wireless. I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Of course there have to be more towers in NYC than the rural areas to handle the traffic. Does that mean the rural areas get shut down completely? Those people who grow our food, for example, aren't entitled to a decent cellular system? I think they are! And if any of you are adventurous enough to go off into the less populated areas and God forbid, you have an emergency on your hands, you're going to wish you had a signal out there, too! It can't be a case of ALL or NOTHING.
As far as my argument for universality of signal...
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It won't happen that ways CDMA and GSM will be phased out kinda like analog was so saying that handsets will pick up any signal is just nuts as far as everything goes pretty much all major carriers will be LTE with the exception of sprint and the wimax thing VZW,Tmobile,ATT all will be LTE and by the time that starts there will be only 4 major carriers even maybe 3 VZW,ATT,Tmobile, and sprint will be bought out so all of you who think sprint will make it are completely insane numbers surely don't lie
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There are a number of companies that build, maintain, and lease tower space / spectrum in place right now. As we speak, the entire Sprint network is owned by another company and leased to Sprint (they sold it off last year).
I'm sure the government would have to establish this type of system, and unlike the governments of many/most European nations, the US government isn't into that level of market management... yet.
I'm sure the government would have to establish this type of system, and unlike the governments of many/most European nations, the US government isn't into that level of market management... yet.
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So wouldn't a possible solution be what I suggested? Having phones that carry both LTE and GSM chips? We have no control over what another country chooses to do, but if we're going to want to use our own phones over there, seems to me we can build them to do that.
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Even when Verizon builds out LTE who says they are going to use it for voice? The government mandates that carriers allow one another's customers to access their networks for voice calls...but not data. I believe Verizon will (and should) keep the CDMA1x network up and running on the 850 and 1900 frequencies for voice calls and use LTE for data only. I also believe this is the sensible thing to do. Why has Verizon invested all this money into building a network just to share it with carriers who have inferior networks? There are two things which differentiate wireless providers, in my opinion...network and customer service. Forcing Verizon to share it's network with T-Mobile smacks of Socialism to me.
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Socialism?
So what you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that would be perfectly fine for those of us who travel all over the world to be inconvenienced by not having a phone to access the network we happen to be in at the time. That's ridiculous!
What people want, first and foremost, having been in the business for 15 years, is a phone that works as a phone WHEN AND WHERE THEY NEED IT!!! Having a handset that will access LTE here and GSM elsewhere makes perfect sense to me, and should the countries of the world decide to hop on the LTE bandwagon and dump GSM altogether, the phones can be altered to accept whatever frequencies in other parts of the world are available. C'mon, you KNOW it's going to happen eventually. The...
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So what you're saying, if I understand you correctly, is that would be perfectly fine for those of us who travel all over the world to be inconvenienced by not having a phone to access the network we happen to be in at the time. That's ridiculous!
What people want, first and foremost, having been in the business for 15 years, is a phone that works as a phone WHEN AND WHERE THEY NEED IT!!! Having a handset that will access LTE here and GSM elsewhere makes perfect sense to me, and should the countries of the world decide to hop on the LTE bandwagon and dump GSM altogether, the phones can be altered to accept whatever frequencies in other parts of the world are available. C'mon, you KNOW it's going to happen eventually. The...
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I believe phones will be available for LTE, but they'll be hybrid phones (whether they're LTE/CDMA or LTE/GSM). World phones will still be made for those who travel, and willing to pay roaming charges (or able to get prepaid SIM cards).
As for Verizon having to share their network; that only applies to the C block for the mainland & Hawaii. Where they bought A & B blocks don't have the open access rule applied. Also, the network is only open to those who use LTE as well. So any other technology won't be open to the C block. I don't know who bought the C blocks for the Carribean & Alaska, as Verizon didn't acquire any licenses there. I know it wasn't AT&T since they didn't want the open access rule applied to them.
As for Verizon having to share their network; that only applies to the C block for the mainland & Hawaii. Where they bought A & B blocks don't have the open access rule applied. Also, the network is only open to those who use LTE as well. So any other technology won't be open to the C block. I don't know who bought the C blocks for the Carribean & Alaska, as Verizon didn't acquire any licenses there. I know it wasn't AT&T since they didn't want the open access rule applied to them.
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two things.
1) There are already CDMA/GSM phones Verizon sells one the call it the storm, it works domestically on CDMA and EVDO and overseas on GSM, not sure about overseas EVDO.
2) The wireless part is only from your handset to the tower at some point it has to tie in to the regular landline network, that's where all the actual phone numbers and the routing information to the phone numbers are stored.
More likely we will se a mainly VIOP network in the near future there are less government regulations for the phone companies on VOIP than on POTS (Plain Old Telephone lineS) and from what I understand LTE should have the bandwidth to handle it.
1) There are already CDMA/GSM phones Verizon sells one the call it the storm, it works domestically on CDMA and EVDO and overseas on GSM, not sure about overseas EVDO.
2) The wireless part is only from your handset to the tower at some point it has to tie in to the regular landline network, that's where all the actual phone numbers and the routing information to the phone numbers are stored.
More likely we will se a mainly VIOP network in the near future there are less government regulations for the phone companies on VOIP than on POTS (Plain Old Telephone lineS) and from what I understand LTE should have the bandwidth to handle it.
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You cannot have it your way. Verizon is going to build have roaming agreements in place with one of its parents...Vodaphone. And surely world capabilities in other parts of the world just as they do now with the Storm. Your dream that Verizon and AT&T should share networks however...just that.
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Barking Cherry said:
What people want, first and foremost, having been in the business for 15 years, is a phone that works as a phone WHEN AND WHERE THEY NEED IT!!!
You're right. But a majority of people don't travel across the world often enough to care. If there is no demand, why would manufacturers, cell phone companies, etc, spend more to produce it?
Barking Cherry said:
I never thought of myself as a socialist, but if what I'm advocating is equivalent to a socialistic point of view regarding wireless communication (isn't that where the root of the word "communism" comes from?)
Um no, Communism is derived from the Latin word "communis" which means common - nothi...
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The eventual goal is for LTE to handle both voice and data. It will be, in essence, the same as the shutdown of the Analog voice network to all digital. Obviously, this won't happen for a while (read 2020's maybe) but...that is where it will eventually end up. The wonderful world of wireless will be entirely different as to how the carriers operate (not to mention...you won't have nearly as many...sorry). This is just my speculation on the latter..but the former is pretty much the plan.
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