Why is the Verizon phone selection horrible...
I look at the phones for Sprint and I think wow... I look at the phones for Verizon which has like twice as many customers and they have like 10 phones. Now sprint uses same tech, half the subs and really cool phones... whats the deal vzw?
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Grantizzle said:Or, at least, that's what they tell the sucker public.
vzw tests their phones a lot more extensivley than other carriers.
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kingfrog77 said:Don't bother answering my posts you middle-aged git.
By the time the phone passes the "test"..its old news
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muchdrama said:Grantizzle said:Or, at least, that's what they tell the sucker public.
vzw tests their phones a lot more extensively than other carriers.
The public has the mentality of a herd of raccoons (what's that called?). "Oooohhh, look how shiny, oo I love it." Does it work when you need it to? "I don't care! Dude! Look how shiny it is!"
P.S.: I'm not knocking anyone, I'm one of those raccoons.
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i think it is the lemming mentality that you speak of. racoons are cunning creatures that'll rip your eye out if your aren;t careful.
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If Verizon tests their phones so extensively... then why do they suck. Why didnt they realize how the V710 takes horrible pictures and just sucks. Why did they have a huge problem with the Moto T710 (I believe that was the model) last year... I went through 5 of them, not a single one worked well.
Test, my arse. The cell phone manufacturer tests to see if the phone works... Verizon "tests" to see if customers like it.
They have no excuse for having such a slim list of available phones.
Test, my arse. The cell phone manufacturer tests to see if the phone works... Verizon "tests" to see if customers like it.
They have no excuse for having such a slim list of available phones.
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motorola has been going downhill for a while now. it was the t720/730 that was their last super bad phone. the 710 is good for ony one thing, bluetooth. as far as all f the other phones, hey rarely come back. when they do it is usually a service issue, not a phone issue. i like most of verizon;s phones and i sell the ones i like. i'd ratherlet a sale walk then let them leave the store with an audiovox 8910 or a Kyocera KX2.
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Grantizzle said:
motorola has been going downhill for a while now. it was the t720/730 that was their last super bad phone. the 710 is good for ony one thing, bluetooth. as far as all f the other phones, hey rarely come back. when they do it is usually a service issue, not a phone issue. i like most of verizon;s phones and i sell the ones i like. i'd ratherlet a sale walk then let them leave the store with an audiovox 8910 or a Kyocera KX2.
Only on the Veizon side of things. They are fine with other carriers........ They use they're "also ran" phones for VErizon.
Mean time Verizvon has those well known Audiovox numbers...and whos that Ky o Cer a...
another set of also ran phone makers.......
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ran phonemakers? it is spelled kyocera. they are a company based out of san diego.
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Actually, Kyocera is a Japanese Company that bought Qualcomm's phone division about 4-5 years ago. The do have a larger office in San Diego
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Yeah IM not a large fan of motorolas in general. Kyocera has started sucking as well. Samsungs are but "audiovox" phones stopped being really good after i think around the 9155 series. So that leaves me with LG. I have used them for about 5 years now and have never had one problem.
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Actually I used to have Cingular with a motorola phone... Sorry make that 7 different moto phones and none of them worked. All with different problems. EVERY carrier has problems with their handsets, and if they tell you they don't they are lying out of their a$$
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I am so amazed Mr. Kingfrog you have been missing for a bit of time, where did you disappear too exactly, and why emerge after so long?
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You mean great phones like the "mighty" Moto V600? 🤣
Total trash, even though customers paid almost 400 bux for that thing. Now I get customers everyday who have had to exchange the V600 several times and are justifibly PO'd and demanding another model phone.
VZW is better off WITHOUT expensive trash like that. Before the merger Cingular got rid of that pos even faster the AT&T Wireless did. Gotta love those TDMA V60's with antennas coming right off...the list of bad moto's can go on forever.
Total trash, even though customers paid almost 400 bux for that thing. Now I get customers everyday who have had to exchange the V600 several times and are justifibly PO'd and demanding another model phone.
VZW is better off WITHOUT expensive trash like that. Before the merger Cingular got rid of that pos even faster the AT&T Wireless did. Gotta love those TDMA V60's with antennas coming right off...the list of bad moto's can go on forever.
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The V600 was voluntarily pulled by Cingular after Moto announced the degradation of the 850 band on the phone. Those who had purchased them were given Motorola V400's and a free headset until the problem was corrected, and given the option to use the V400 until, the release of the V551 should they choose.
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Grantizzle said:
motorola has been going downhill for a while now. it was the t720/730 that was their last super bad phone. the 710 is good for ony one thing, bluetooth. as far as all f the other phones, hey rarely come back. when they do it is usually a service issue, not a phone issue. i like most of verizon;s phones and i sell the ones i like. i'd ratherlet a sale walk then let them leave the store with an audiovox 8910 or a Kyocera KX2.
I have a Kyocera 2235 and it has been a great phone. Have thought about the KX404, but can't get a good feel for it's quality. What kind of return stats do you reps see on it?
Thanks
Red Dwarf
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the best part about the 404 is the flashlight. i think that verizon has to carry their phones because qualcomm/ kyocera is the primary manufacturer for CDMA chips. did that make sense?
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Thats a good endorsement 🤣
Seems like Kyocera is kind of hit or miss with mostly misses. I know that my current phone doesn't have the greatest reputation but has worked flawlessly for over two years now. Guess I got lucky.
Thanks
Red Dwarf
Seems like Kyocera is kind of hit or miss with mostly misses. I know that my current phone doesn't have the greatest reputation but has worked flawlessly for over two years now. Guess I got lucky.
Thanks
Red Dwarf
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seven_elevencj said:
If Verizon tests their phones so extensively... then why do they suck. Why didnt they realize how the V710 takes horrible pictures and just sucks. Why did they have a huge problem with the Moto T710 (I believe that was the model) last year... I went through 5 of them, not a single one worked well.
Test, my arse. The cell phone manufacturer tests to see if the phone works... Verizon "tests" to see if customers like it.
They have no excuse for having such a slim list of available phones.
Slim list of phones??
Verizon- 29
Cingular- 30
Sprint- 24
T Mobile- 24
Nextel- 10
[Taken from the list of phones from Phonescoop]
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Aarynk said:...seven_elevencj said:
If Verizon tests their phones so extensively... then why do they suck. Why didnt they realize how the V710 takes horrible pictures and just sucks. Why did they have a huge problem with the Moto T710 (I believe that was the model) last year... I went through 5 of them, not a single one worked well.
Test, my arse. The cell phone manufacturer tests to see if the phone works... Verizon "tests" to see if customers like it.
They have no excuse for having such a slim list of available phones.
Slim list of phones??
Verizon- 29
Cingular- 30
Sprint- 24
T Mobile- 24
Nextel- 10
[Taken from the list of phones from Phonescoop]
Looks like
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audiovox used to be one of the biggest cell maker for verizon. kyocera is amde by qualcomm. qualcomm makes the CDMA chips for al CDMA phones except nokia.
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Grantizzle said:
audiovox used to be one of the biggest cell maker for verizon. kyocera is amde by qualcomm. qualcomm makes the CDMA chips for al CDMA phones except nokia.
That probably why Nokia's phones are so good for CDMA reception compared to the others. Competitive advantage.
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kingfrog77 said:...Aarynk said:seven_elevencj said:
If Verizon tests their phones so extensively... then why do they suck. Why didnt they realize how the V710 takes horrible pictures and just sucks. Why did they have a huge problem with the Moto T710 (I believe that was the model) last year... I went through 5 of them, not a single one worked well.
Test, my arse. The cell phone manufacturer tests to see if the phone works... Verizon "tests" to see if customers like it.
They have no excuse for having such a slim list of available phones.
Slim list of phones??
Verizon- 29
Cingular- 30
Sprint- 24
T Mobile- 24
Nextel- 10
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adilus said:
I look at the phones for Sprint and I think wow... I look at the phones for Verizon which has like twice as many customers and they have like 10 phones. Now sprint uses same tech, half the subs and really cool phones... whats the deal vzw?
And what features do you think VZW phones are missing? We have all the same features with our phones that Sprint does. Tell us with more detail why you don't like VZW phone selection
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Aarynk said:adilus said:
I look at the phones for Sprint and I think wow... I look at the phones for Verizon which has like twice as many customers and they have like 10 phones. Now sprint uses same tech, half the subs and really cool phones... whats the deal vzw?
And what features do you think VZW phones are missing? We have all the same features with our phones that Sprint does. Tell us with more detail why you don't like VZW phone selection
I agree with Aarynk. I think Sprint's phone selection sucks.
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pizpiz80 said:Aarynk said:adilus said:
I look at the phones for Sprint and I think wow... I look at the phones for Verizon which has like twice as many customers and they have like 10 phones. Now sprint uses same tech, half the subs and really cool phones... whats the deal vzw?
And what features do you think VZW phones are missing? We have all the same features with our phones that Sprint does. Tell us with more detail why you don't like VZW phone selection
I agree with Aarynk. I think Sprint's phone selection sucks.
I'm still waiting for someone to tell us with facts why VZW phone selection is lacking
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VZW only has three bluetooth phones, two of them being PDA phones. that might be one reason, but if bluetooth isn't important to you, there aren't any real differences.
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It's been answered repeatedly on several threads. But judging from the denial of Verizon reps, all the people complaining about phone selection are just ignorant. 🙄
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First of all, Verizon is unable to pick appealing business oriented phones. Many of their phones contain features that make security minded individuals leery and those that don't are rather inconvenient to use. For instance, just about all of Verizon's flip phones come with cameras. This are not particularly appealing to someone who either has no need for a camera or whose business does not want them. In addition, the VX-3200 does not have an outer display which makes it very difficult to determine whether a call is important while driving or during a meeting. Also, lately, Verizon has been failing to put out phones that support AMPS 800, which is very important when traveling in rural areas. Finally, Verizon's latest phones have faile...
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First of all, Verizon is unable to pick appealing business oriented phones. Many of their phones contain features that make security minded individuals leery and those that don't are rather inconvenient to use. For instance, just about all of Verizon's flip phones come with cameras. This are not particularly appealing to someone who either has no need for a camera or whose business does not want them. In addition, the VX-3200 does not have an outer display which makes it very difficult to determine whether a call is important while driving or during a meeting. Also, lately, Verizon has been failing to put out phones that support AMPS 800, which is very important when traveling in rural areas. Finall
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Risen29463 said:
First of all, Verizon is unable to pick appealing business oriented phones. Many of their phones contain features that make security minded individuals leery and those that don't are rather inconvenient to use. For instance, just about all of Verizon's flip phones come with cameras. This are not particularly appealing to someone who either has no need for a camera or whose business does not want them.
Couldn't agree more. Like a lot of carriers, I think VZW is in love with the PIX messaging revenue they can make, and therefore aren't offering enough new non-camera phones, even though more and more businesses are banning camera phones from the workplace for security reasons. VZW needs to c...
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BetterThanJake said:
Couldn't agree more. Like a lot of carriers, I think VZW is in love with the PIX messaging revenue they can make, and therefore aren't offering enough new non-camera phones, even though more and more businesses are banning camera phones from the workplace for security reasons. VZW needs to catch a clue here. ☹️
VZW isn't the only one that primarlily offers camera phones though. all carriers need to catch on.
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Adilus, I think to answer that question you need to look at how Verizon got to where they are now, and the demographic of their customer base. The largest portion of their customer base only wants a phone that works when they need to use it, they aren't all that interested in the wow factor. So Verizon has tried to supply those type of phones (which are generally considered boring to enthusiasts which tend to post in discussion forums).
Sprint on the other hand has tried to get there by trying to be the trendsetters (In the U.S. CDMA world) so they try to build their customer base by generally having more wow factor.
Now the intereseting part is how does Verizon make the transition from their current mindset to providing the ty...
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Sprint on the other hand has tried to get there by trying to be the trendsetters (In the U.S. CDMA world) so they try to build their customer base by generally having more wow factor.
Now the intereseting part is how does Verizon make the transition from their current mindset to providing the ty...
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Albie said:
Now the intereseting part is how does Verizon make the transition from their current mindset to providing the types of phones and buzz needed to market 3G and the accompanying services to boost revenues?
The problem is they still have a fantasy of being the sole gatekeeper for any advanced services (GetItNow scam) in order to be able to charge monopoly prices to boost revenues.
That's the real reason their phone selection sucks, so until they change their mindset, it will keep sucking.
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much like those other companies that use proprietary measures to ensure revenue.. those bastards. At least they actually use the revenue on something useful like their network and new technologies (as proprietary as they may be) such as evdo and vcast. Get it now isnt even that bad. So it isn't free ringers. Why do you feel ringers and data services should be free? Just because other carriers chose not to plan ahead and missed out on a large chunk of revenue why should vzw get trashed on about it. Even when I was a customer I didn't have a problem paying for get it now services. The only thing I think they need to focus on is a backup system after you DL those apps to be able to tranfer them to a new phone without redownloading them.
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It has nothing to do with free ringers. It has to do with a competitive market. Verizon could still try to compete and sell services.
Your ISP lets you visit any website. They don't lock you into only websites they run. That doesn't mean you can't pay for certain web services from anyone, or that the ISP can't compete themselves for the services.
Your ISP lets you visit any website. They don't lock you into only websites they run. That doesn't mean you can't pay for certain web services from anyone, or that the ISP can't compete themselves for the services.
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I'm used to England and Germany where I purchase the phone I want then determine my service. Over here, you're locked in by band, Freq, and type of phone. Where are the Nokia Communicators???????????
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Any time you ask that to the Verizon reps, they quickly [and I mean QUICKLY; mgrs must time how fast salesdrones can recite the script], you'll hear "it's because they don't rush out new phones, but run them thru rigorous testing, get out all of the bugs." My problems with that: 1)too many people I know have both MANY technical problems or their phones fall apart very quickly, 2)too many people posting in here have problems with the phones or the services for the phones 3)if you go to sites which review phones [like cnet], vzw phones don't rate as high as phones for other carriers. Also, if they're so technologically advanced, then why do they seem to have such trouble getting new phones to work such that they cannot carry them???? I've h...
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sechrisa said:
if you go to sites which review phones [like cnet], vzw phones don't rate as high as phones for other carriers.
Mmm... well, the site we're ON is a site that reviews phones too, and I tend to trust a large group of users' opinions over that of a single paid reviewer. Looking it up, the following VZW phones got scores of 4.0 or better (out of 5):
Kyocera Koi KX2
Kyocera KX440/KX444
LG VX-7000
LG VX-8000 Motorola V265
BlackBerry 7250 BlackBerry 7750
Samsung SCH-A670
Samsung SPH-i700
UTStarcom (Audiovox) CDM-8615 (coming for VZW, out for others)
UTStarcom (Audiovox) PPC-6600/PPC-6601/ XV6600 (HTC Harrier)
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I'll tell you the real truth:
Ten years ago there was an uber secret meeting between Sprint, VZW and Alltell to decide a marketing scheme for all of them. Everything was going well, they had split future phone designs evenly, network differences were settled, and after many hours they had all settled down around a camp fire and were singing songs together.
Well, as fate would have it, Cricket showed up and brought some meth and a big jug of moonshine. After a raucaus party, everything went straight to hell. When all was said and done, VZW got the network, Sprint got the phones, Alltell (well, Alltell passed out first and woke up with nothing)...
PS: That "can you hear me now" guy used to be the president of Sprint, but after a p...
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Ten years ago there was an uber secret meeting between Sprint, VZW and Alltell to decide a marketing scheme for all of them. Everything was going well, they had split future phone designs evenly, network differences were settled, and after many hours they had all settled down around a camp fire and were singing songs together.
Well, as fate would have it, Cricket showed up and brought some meth and a big jug of moonshine. After a raucaus party, everything went straight to hell. When all was said and done, VZW got the network, Sprint got the phones, Alltell (well, Alltell passed out first and woke up with nothing)...
PS: That "can you hear me now" guy used to be the president of Sprint, but after a p...
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Not to start a chat duel here [there seem to be enough of them], but people have to be careful about user reviews. Marketing firms have been known to pay people to come on to sites like this, to add good reviews. Plus, if you sometimes go through the reviews, you're seeing early results; occasionally people come back with updates that are less than glowing. Something else to note: Motorola is only once your list [and while I had heard good things about the v265 the vzw rep I spoke to panned it. go figure].
That being said, maybe there are some good phones on the verizon horizon. I'm not an optimist [the whole industry is building phones that are make to fall apart], but good things occasionally happen.
That being said, maybe there are some good phones on the verizon horizon. I'm not an optimist [the whole industry is building phones that are make to fall apart], but good things occasionally happen.
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sechrisa said:
Not to start a chat duel here [there seem to be enough of them], but people have to be careful about user reviews. Marketing firms have been known to pay people to come on to sites like this, to add good reviews.
Its just as likely that solo 'official' reviewers are paid off. Pick your poison. *shrug*
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