why does everyone say that about pda smartphones!
Why does everyone say, "why would you want a pda phone without a data plan". Some people just don't need to get on the net, but maybe would like to check email via wifi. Some people just like to be able to sync with there pc to keep Outlook info up to date on the phone. Some people just like the other features and size of some of the new phones. Sorry for spouting off, but some people on here are way too hung up on having a data plan and probably pay lots of wasted money for it!
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I've been fighting that argument forever - believe me. I don't have a PDA because I don't need or want all the "whistles and bells" but the other offerings are sadly lacking in what I would like - full querty, a functional calendar, syncing to my desktop, etc. as you mentioned. It's ridiculous because I am finding more and more people like me and you - despite their protests that the market just doesn't exist. It does exist-they refuse to listen...why? Because the almighty dollar on the data plans is where the money's at, not the devices. Or so they say...when the economy takes a complete crap, maybe they'll rethink the priorities...and be lucky to sell handsets at all.
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mellowlen62 said:
I've been fighting that argument forever - believe me. I don't have a PDA because I don't need or want all the "whistles and bells" but the other offerings are sadly lacking in what I would like - full querty, a functional calendar, syncing to my desktop, etc. as you mentioned. It's ridiculous because I am finding more and more people like me and you - despite their protests that the market just doesn't exist. It does exist-they refuse to listen...why? Because the almighty dollar on the data plans is where the money's at, not the devices. Or so they say...when the economy takes a complete crap, maybe they'll rethink the priorities...and be lucky to sell handsets at all.
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That has nothing to do with manufacturers making a less expensive handset that does what I need WITHOUT all the crap I don't. How does that affect profitability? I don't give a $hit if I pay full price for the damn phone if it's what I want. The service still has to be sold to use the phone. And if they did that, they could still sell their pdas and require the data on those. And then they'd have a valid reason for saying "why buy the phone if you're not going to use all the features?" Right now they don't, because they don't offer anything else decent for the masses who don't want or need internet.
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mellowlen62 said:
That has nothing to do with manufacturers making a less expensive handset that does what I need WITHOUT all the crap I don't. How does that affect profitability?
Well then I guess you need to find a manufacturer that'll customer build a phone for you, since the market should be focused on what you individually need...
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You must be new to these forums because every day there's a new thread about why someone can't buy a PDA without the data plan. It is not just me, but nice try. What, you own Verizon or something? You sure are protesting a bit too much...
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No it's not just you.
But people want a device they can surf wirelessly from wifi, have the ability to connect directly to their email, and manage their calender, but they don't require that the device be always connected to the internet no matter where.
They are describing a PDA, so they should buy a pda. If they want all that on their phone, they are talking about a smartphone. Period.
If they want all of that on a dumbphone then ask for a dumbphone that does that, don't complain that you need a data plan for a smartphone.
And considering that you are posting in a forum for verizon on a website most frequented by wireless employees, asking if someone works for verizon is rather redundant.
But people want a device they can surf wirelessly from wifi, have the ability to connect directly to their email, and manage their calender, but they don't require that the device be always connected to the internet no matter where.
They are describing a PDA, so they should buy a pda. If they want all that on their phone, they are talking about a smartphone. Period.
If they want all of that on a dumbphone then ask for a dumbphone that does that, don't complain that you need a data plan for a smartphone.
And considering that you are posting in a forum for verizon on a website most frequented by wireless employees, asking if someone works for verizon is rather redundant.
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mellowlen62 said:
You must be new to these forums
🙄 🤣 There's a way to check how long someone's been a member before you make blind assumptions...
mellowlen62 said:
because every day there's a new thread about why someone can't buy a PDA without the data plan.
Just because you site people with similar interests/opinions doesn't make your opinion more correct than others. I'm comfortable enough with my statements & opinions to not have to site other support. "Well, Billy Joe agrees with me!" 😛
mellowlen62 said:
You sure are protesting a bit too much...
No, I'm responding to YOU protesting too much. The phones are designed w...
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Hahahahaha I know that. I was being facetious. (Look it up).
But I promise I'll let you have the last word this time, because like all good 10 year olds, you will anyway...
But I promise I'll let you have the last word this time, because like all good 10 year olds, you will anyway...
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mellowlen62 said:
Hahahahaha I know that. I was being facetious. (Look it up).
But I promise I'll let you have the last word this time, because like all good 10 year olds, you will anyway...
So you're going to insult me, sneak in some more disguised insults, and act like you're taking the high road? 🤨
People never cease to amaze me.
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some people dont need to get on the net, but would check email over wifi....
dont you need to check email on the internet?
or is there another way to check your email w/o the internet?
dont you need to check email on the internet?
or is there another way to check your email w/o the internet?
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Yes wifi is not part of a carriers service, but those customers DO want internet access, they just don't require mobility access.
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he said people dont need internet, but want to check their emails. you need internet to check emails.
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I have a dumbphone. I like my dumphone (env2) so much so that I have a smartphone sitting in a box at my house that I won't use because I dont like it as much.
Now, I DO want the ability to check my email and surf unlocked web from my work. We also have wifi.
So what did I do? I bought a pda with wifi. Now I can check my email, sync my contacts, surf the web from my home, my work, and a couple other places, but I don't have the data charge since I'm really not interested in surfing from my car or in the middle of a field somewhere.
THAT is why people say "why get a smartphone without data?" A smartphone is made to connect to a wireless network, to keep you up to date with everything no matter where you are at. If you don't n...
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Now, I DO want the ability to check my email and surf unlocked web from my work. We also have wifi.
So what did I do? I bought a pda with wifi. Now I can check my email, sync my contacts, surf the web from my home, my work, and a couple other places, but I don't have the data charge since I'm really not interested in surfing from my car or in the middle of a field somewhere.
THAT is why people say "why get a smartphone without data?" A smartphone is made to connect to a wireless network, to keep you up to date with everything no matter where you are at. If you don't n...
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I'm one of those people that likes/wants the features of a PDA but doesn't need a data plan and doesn't care to carry 2 devices. I'll stick with my 700p for now. All the other lines on my plan are set for phones, so we're not in any rush to upgrade, but when we do I won't be terribly happy about the data plan requirement (maybe I'll break down and let work give me a BB then), or I'll let the others upgrade and get another 700p refurb...
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I have thought about this many times myself. I would love to have some of the features of a smartphone but I don't want to pay for a data plan that I don't feel like I need.
A co-worker of mine has a Blackberry Pearl through AT&T and she is NOT on a data paln. I'm not sure how she did it, but she did. She loves the phone because of it's calendar and how it handles other tasks.
I totally understand the fact that the carriers make the money on the service, not the phone. But I really don't see the big deal of selling a smart phone without a data plan. You're still paying for a voice plan (and probably texting too). Oh well.
A co-worker of mine has a Blackberry Pearl through AT&T and she is NOT on a data paln. I'm not sure how she did it, but she did. She loves the phone because of it's calendar and how it handles other tasks.
I totally understand the fact that the carriers make the money on the service, not the phone. But I really don't see the big deal of selling a smart phone without a data plan. You're still paying for a voice plan (and probably texting too). Oh well.
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Because AT&T doesn't require the data plan to have the device activated. Verizon does.
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ATT requires it on the Iphone (their best selling smartphone by far), and don't be surprised if they make it required on their other newer phones before too long.
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That's probably true, they seem to do everything Verizon does eventually...except tell Apple to go to hell
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I can change it. I can leave Verizon and go with AT&T, Sprint or TMobile, all of whom don't require data plans on their smartphones. Now I happen to like Verizon's service and have heard too many horror stories about other carriers, but the time may come when that changes. Competition is healthy. Verizon needs some.
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Considering other companies are starting to require data packages on phones (iphone, g1) I'm pretty sure the other companies are starting to see the wisdom of making certain phones require packages.
Competition is a great thing, but you can't have competition if everyone offers the same service.
Competition is a great thing, but you can't have competition if everyone offers the same service.
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Simple answer:
Because they find your needs for a PDA+Phone to be outdated and dumb. They aren't PDA Phones anymore... they are smartphones now.
Because they find your needs for a PDA+Phone to be outdated and dumb. They aren't PDA Phones anymore... they are smartphones now.
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Because on a constant basis people used it without packages and denied ever using it or not knowing how it could happen and not wanting to pay for valid charges. VZW is damned if they do and damned if they don't. It is what it is...
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VZN could do like AT&T, and that is to advice people of possible ppu charges, and that smart phone can connect to the internet automatically, and offer to place a block on the line if the person does not want data usage on the phone. sounds easy, and really does work.
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And then they complain about not being able to accept picture messages, or their call quality, or something else and then get back on PPU and get curious one day about what the weather will be like tomorrow, so they log on really fast, and then just forget to shut everything down again and SURPRISE $500 in surcharges on their next bill. And then they call verizon and demand credit for their mistake, only to repeat the error again in 3 months.
It is much easier, and obviously more cost effective for them to simply make data part of the phone. If they were loosing enough customers that their subscriptions would make up for the cost to the company blocking data would cost, you can bet they would offer the option. Obviously it doesn't so t...
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It is much easier, and obviously more cost effective for them to simply make data part of the phone. If they were loosing enough customers that their subscriptions would make up for the cost to the company blocking data would cost, you can bet they would offer the option. Obviously it doesn't so t...
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