The real reason Verizon bought AllTel......
Not for the customer base, Not for the technology, or plans (lol)
They wanted the 850MhZ Spectrum in the Southern US they could not otherwise get through auction. Period.The only way Verizon could expand it's 850MHZ (the prime cell phone space)was to buy Alltel. The merger made it clear the every single one of Alltel's ideas, unique phones, and plans will vanish. The only advantage Alltel users will have is that they can talk ONLY to other Verizon users free. But they can already talk to ALL the other carriers of their choice free with the My Circle Plans.No more Music connect Streaming services
And Verizon fan boys really believe Alltel customers will play?
They wanted the 850MhZ Spectrum in the Southern US they could not otherwise get through auction. Period.The only way Verizon could expand it's 850MHZ (the prime cell phone space)was to buy Alltel. The merger made it clear the every single one of Alltel's ideas, unique phones, and plans will vanish. The only advantage Alltel users will have is that they can talk ONLY to other Verizon users free. But they can already talk to ALL the other carriers of their choice free with the My Circle Plans.No more Music connect Streaming services
And Verizon fan boys really believe Alltel customers will play?
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call me when you get something original....
That whole paragraph is old news. Before you start making ridiculous assumptions with little to no actual facts, why don't you just wait till the deal is done and a final plan is unveiled on how these two companies will be meshed together.
Chris
That whole paragraph is old news. Before you start making ridiculous assumptions with little to no actual facts, why don't you just wait till the deal is done and a final plan is unveiled on how these two companies will be meshed together.
Chris
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cwcanty said:
call me when you get something original....
That whole paragraph is old news. Before you start making ridiculous assumptions with little to no actual facts, why don't you just wait till the deal is done and a final plan is unveiled on how these two companies will be meshed together.
Chris
IT's not to terribly difficult to predict with great accuracy how,what and why Verizon does things......No ned to wait for the final plan. We all know what that will be...Bend over Alltel users..say good-by to all you know and hello to 80 millionusers you don't care to talk to.
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Verizon Wireless bought out Alltel back in Illinois and Indiana in 2000. It is business folks, pure and simple. Get over it move on. They can do whatever they want. 🙄
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Regardless of the reasons for this acquisition, I've come across customer after customer who is eagerly awaiting the transaction so they can be on Verizon instead of Alltel. The day after the purchase was announced many stores in the western US had Alltel customers coming in for help with their newly reminted Verizon service (which, as we know, hasn't happened JUST yet).
Alltel is a good company. I still remember their quality when I was a customer of 360 Communications (pre-Alltel nomenclature). I sincerely hope that my own company (Verizon) adopts their My Circle program, though I highly doubt they will. Unfortunately, I've lived in the western US for some time now, and because of the way the FCC has regulated spectrum, there are ma...
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Alltel is a good company. I still remember their quality when I was a customer of 360 Communications (pre-Alltel nomenclature). I sincerely hope that my own company (Verizon) adopts their My Circle program, though I highly doubt they will. Unfortunately, I've lived in the western US for some time now, and because of the way the FCC has regulated spectrum, there are ma...
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Newsflash (not!):
Verizon is not interested in losing money.
Cellular is a highly competitive industry and will remain so as long as there are 3 or more carriers with "nationwide" coverage. AT&T will continue to charge the highest price they can for the services they provide. So will VZW and T-mobile. Sprint is the only one giving away the farm right now. T-mo is cheaper because they own fewer cell site structures and their service sucks in outlying areas. Spectrum is also a lacking quantity at T-mo until AWS gets a little more steam behind it.
VZW and AT&T have higher overhead because (for the most part) they care about servicing outlying areas in addition to dense population centers.
VZW bought Alltel because the pri...
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Verizon is not interested in losing money.
Cellular is a highly competitive industry and will remain so as long as there are 3 or more carriers with "nationwide" coverage. AT&T will continue to charge the highest price they can for the services they provide. So will VZW and T-mobile. Sprint is the only one giving away the farm right now. T-mo is cheaper because they own fewer cell site structures and their service sucks in outlying areas. Spectrum is also a lacking quantity at T-mo until AWS gets a little more steam behind it.
VZW and AT&T have higher overhead because (for the most part) they care about servicing outlying areas in addition to dense population centers.
VZW bought Alltel because the pri...
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Well put, CellStudent. All of your posts are direct, to the point, and accurate.
To expound on what you said:
I really hope that potential new customers or customers going through the Alltel acquisition pay attention to your posts more so than AvgJoe.
You're exactly right. VZW bought Alltel to make more money. Cellular carriers in this country operate on 2 fundamental principles: 1) Make money 2) Invest in stuff that makes more money.
To elborate to the 2nd of those goals, strategic acquisitions, like Alltel, are part of that investment. Customer base, educated and well-trained employees, exclusive equipment, spectrum holdings, network coverage, financials, etc. are all reasons to buy up a company. These are all great investme...
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To expound on what you said:
I really hope that potential new customers or customers going through the Alltel acquisition pay attention to your posts more so than AvgJoe.
You're exactly right. VZW bought Alltel to make more money. Cellular carriers in this country operate on 2 fundamental principles: 1) Make money 2) Invest in stuff that makes more money.
To elborate to the 2nd of those goals, strategic acquisitions, like Alltel, are part of that investment. Customer base, educated and well-trained employees, exclusive equipment, spectrum holdings, network coverage, financials, etc. are all reasons to buy up a company. These are all great investme...
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"VZW and AT&T have higher overhead because (for the most part) they care about servicing outlying areas in addition to dense population centers.
Those boys want to sell, big time. This deal is going to fly right through DOJ and FCC. There will be divestments in overlapping areas, but VZW doesn't care. This deal is going to close quickly because GOLDMAN SACHS WANTS OUT of the mess they bought into, and they've got lots of Washington, D.C. level clout to push it through." - QUOTED FROM PREVIOUS POSTER.
Most of your post is very good and direct. However you cannot, under any circumstance say that AT&T services outlaying areas. In fact GSM to cover rural areas is a joke. But maybe I miss understood you.
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Those boys want to sell, big time. This deal is going to fly right through DOJ and FCC. There will be divestments in overlapping areas, but VZW doesn't care. This deal is going to close quickly because GOLDMAN SACHS WANTS OUT of the mess they bought into, and they've got lots of Washington, D.C. level clout to push it through." - QUOTED FROM PREVIOUS POSTER.
Most of your post is very good and direct. However you cannot, under any circumstance say that AT&T services outlaying areas. In fact GSM to cover rural areas is a joke. But maybe I miss understood you.
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CellStudent said:...
Newsflash (not!):
Verizon is not interested in losing money.
It's worked so far. AvgJoe may not like it, but the average Joe does. If 40% of Alltel's customer base jumps ship with the merger- for whatever reason- VZW is still in great shape. Half those customers will be back in less then 5 years because they will have over-loaded the alternative carrier's network and can't connect a call (most people care about that).
@AvgJoe: We all know how much you love your marginal voice coverage on your rock-bottom calling plan and shady data package pricing. VZW probably hopes there are tens of thousands of you out there on other carriers networks soaking up resources that could otherwise be s
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so according to AvgJoe: 40% of current Alltel customers will stay, and 40% leave.....what about the other 20%?
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haha... I was wondering the same thing?????
AND. My ENTIRE family left Verizon a few years ago... some got ATT some got Sprint/Nextel... But, we ALL CAME BACK AND THEN SOME!
I'm sure tons of other people have done, and will do the same thing!
AND. My ENTIRE family left Verizon a few years ago... some got ATT some got Sprint/Nextel... But, we ALL CAME BACK AND THEN SOME!
I'm sure tons of other people have done, and will do the same thing!
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nextel850 said:
haha... I was wondering the same thing?????
AND. My ENTIRE family left Verizon a few years ago... some got ATT some got Sprint/Nextel... But, we ALL CAME BACK AND THEN SOME!
I'm sure tons of other people have done, and will do the same thing!
Yet ATT is STILL making money......amazing.Makes you wonder how they do it as much as people are running back to Big Red...Simply amazing. ATT is adding more customers then they are losing...How can that be given your WHOLE ENTIRE family left them.....Cousins too?
You guys sure must have had a HUGE plan....
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yes they are making money. But its not all about making money today. Its about keeping customers happy to make money later. And Verizon as it pains me to say is. They are on top in CS now unseating Tmobile. I don't like verizon and I have alltel now. But I do like there coverage and no one will beet it with the coverage alltel had. Largest in the country per square miles in only 33 states. Add what verizon has and what alltel has were verizon don't and you have a huge coverage addition. Verizon has proven time and time its all about their network as they think that will bring people in. And its working. ATT will always keep people that care about price over reliability of the network. And verizon will always keep those that care about th...
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Huh? I didn't understand one word of that!
I think what you are saying is that making money is very important to cell phone companies. And in order to do that, you have to give good customer service.
This is true, of course. As it is of any commodity.
There are not as many first time customers as there are people who are changing plans. To be the "winner" Verizon needs to win these people over.
In order for a cell phone company to be the biggest and the best, they must maintain a very large and reliable network.
Then they must treat their customers and employees as if they are important.
Then they need to have great phones.
Then they need to have great plans.
That is the key to success! It's simple.
I think what you are saying is that making money is very important to cell phone companies. And in order to do that, you have to give good customer service.
This is true, of course. As it is of any commodity.
There are not as many first time customers as there are people who are changing plans. To be the "winner" Verizon needs to win these people over.
In order for a cell phone company to be the biggest and the best, they must maintain a very large and reliable network.
Then they must treat their customers and employees as if they are important.
Then they need to have great phones.
Then they need to have great plans.
That is the key to success! It's simple.
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I meant allot of people prefer a great network that works and pay more. And some prefer a crappy one and pay hardly nothing. However in the long run the crappy one will need to adjust as their network deteriorates to much. And people can't use the service they pay so little for.
No verizon does not need to win them over. They are adding plenty of subscribers and since they will have about 10 million more then ATT here soon they are number one. That is the winner so far.
But they care about their network. And now they will have the largest digital network in the country which will be larger by almost 50% to the next one.
And like another said Alltel is mostly 800 so win win for them.
No verizon does not need to win them over. They are adding plenty of subscribers and since they will have about 10 million more then ATT here soon they are number one. That is the winner so far.
But they care about their network. And now they will have the largest digital network in the country which will be larger by almost 50% to the next one.
And like another said Alltel is mostly 800 so win win for them.
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CellStudent said:...
Newsflash (not!):
Verizon is not interested in losing money.
Cellular is a highly competitive industry and will remain so as long as there are 3 or more carriers with "nationwide" coverage. AT&T will continue to charge the highest price they can for the services they provide. So will VZW and T-mobile. Sprint is the only one giving away the farm right now. T-mo is cheaper because they own fewer cell site structures and their service sucks in outlying areas. Spectrum is also a lacking quantity at T-mo until AWS gets a little more steam behind it.
VZW and AT&T have higher overhead because (for the most part) they care about servicing outlying areas in addition to dense population centers
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CellStudent said:
Newsflash (not!):
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@AvgJoe: We all know how much you love your marginal voice coverage on your rock-bottom calling plan and shady data package pricing. VZW probably hopes there are tens of thousands of you out there on other carriers networks soaking up resources that could otherwise be sold to other customers for a better profit. The more damage people like you can do to competitor's profit margins, the better.
And I care about that.....why?
I'm not in the business. I am in the business of saving money not handing it over to some greedy corporation who's customer satisfactions is only the best of the worst!!
Are you kidding me? Why should I care...I pay a little for...
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didn't cingular buy a company to get the spectrum they wanted? didn't t-moible do the same thing. oh yea, alltel bought a company called western wireless to get more spectrum as well.
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what if they bought alltel to make their 1x service better? then when lte rolls out, they only use it for data?
lets use some small numbers
if vzw, sprint, att, and tmo have 10 megs bandwith with their 4g.
att, sprint, and tmo use all 10 for voice/data
vzw makes 4g just data, and 1x for voice.
thus faster data, actually unbeatable data.
obviously the numbers are meaningless, but you get the idea. vzw would dominate just like they do now 🙂 and just like they will continue to 🙂
lets use some small numbers
if vzw, sprint, att, and tmo have 10 megs bandwith with their 4g.
att, sprint, and tmo use all 10 for voice/data
vzw makes 4g just data, and 1x for voice.
thus faster data, actually unbeatable data.
obviously the numbers are meaningless, but you get the idea. vzw would dominate just like they do now 🙂 and just like they will continue to 🙂
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willv said:
what if they bought alltel to make their 1x service better? then when lte rolls out, they only use it for data?
lets use some small numbers
if vzw, sprint, att, and tmo have 10 megs bandwith with their 4g.
att, sprint, and tmo use all 10 for voice/data
vzw makes 4g just data, and 1x for voice.
thus faster data, actually unbeatable data.
obviously the numbers are meaningless, but you get the idea. vzw would dominate just like they do now 🙂 and just like they will continue to 🙂
Its all the same spectrum so it doesn't matter what codecs are being used. Not to mention that when 4G finally does roll out, voice will be a data stream anyway, as VOIP.
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oh dont flame me. lol. what ever that is. anyway, i never said anything to be fact. it was all an idea. thats all. and if everything is going to be voip, then thats less data for internet. just like using 3 computers at my house makes my comcast slower for all opposed to when only 1 is being used.
that was all i was saying. sorry i dont research things you write. fogive me. and if they did something like this it would almost make sense, all the people who have cdma 1x phones could still use their old phones
that was all i was saying. sorry i dont research things you write. fogive me. and if they did something like this it would almost make sense, all the people who have cdma 1x phones could still use their old phones
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umm... I don't think you understand how data and voice lay over each other. It's all the same specturm, in turn frequency. If the same tower is being used for voice and data, it won't matter what technology they are using it's all using the same bandwidth.
Yes if you want to get flamed out, going of off the information that you provided, it would be too hard....sorry , but I am calling it like I see it.
Yes if you want to get flamed out, going of off the information that you provided, it would be too hard....sorry , but I am calling it like I see it.
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willv said:
oh dont flame me. lol. what ever that is. anyway, i never said anything to be fact. it was all an idea. thats all. and if everything is going to be voip, then thats less data for internet. just like using 3 computers at my house makes my comcast slower for all opposed to when only 1 is being used.
that was all i was saying. sorry i dont research things you write. fogive me. and if they did something like this it would almost make sense, all the people who have cdma 1x phones could still use their old phones
Well your idea sucks... let's compare a switched cellular network to your Comcast home internet service. Ha!! 😈
When your phone connects to a switch, whether you use data or...
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Verizon already uses 1X to carry voice calls, the rumor is that once the entire network is EVDO (which is going to happen sooner than you think) they will begin to transition all call data to VOIP using Rev A and when they deploy LTE this will be used for data, just as 1X and EVDO compliment each other so too will LTE and EVDO, but that's all speculation of course.
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willv said:
what if they bought alltel to make their 1x service better? then when lte rolls out, they only use it for data?
lets use some small numbers
if vzw, sprint, att, and tmo have 10 megs bandwith with their 4g.
att, sprint, and tmo use all 10 for voice/data
vzw makes 4g just data, and 1x for voice.
thus faster data, actually unbeatable data.
obviously the numbers are meaningless, but you get the idea. vzw would dominate just like they do now 🙂 and just like they will continue to 🙂
YUP!!!!
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im just worried about the transition will be smooth (billing issues).. and then the level of commitment if there was an outage, what the priority level would be to fix. Since ive had alltel there has been only one time i have noticed there was a outage. during that time i called cs told me they just got the notification that there was one. then i powercycled 5 min later. it was back up. then of course the possiblity of losing mycircle when time to upgrade
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AvgJoe said:
Not for the customer base, Not for the technology, or plans (lol)
They wanted the 850MhZ Spectrum in the Southern US they could not otherwise get through auction. Period.The only way Verizon could expand it's 850MHZ (the prime cell phone space)was to buy Alltel. The merger made it clear the every single one of Alltel's ideas, unique phones, and plans will vanish. The only advantage Alltel users will have is that they can talk ONLY to other Verizon users free. But they can already talk to ALL the other carriers of their choice free with the My Circle Plans.No more Music connect Streaming services
And Verizon fan boys really believe Alltel customers will play?
Joe, Joe, Joe...
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It is nice and sunny outside. Did you get a chance to enjoy the summer? Or did you stay in your cave all summer to bash Verizon at every opportunity?
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